Oh, so then small Alliances should have no caps or JFs. Got it.

CCP, can you draw a line?

Since distance for forcefield is calculated already, therefore the answer is Yes, you can. So, instead of making force field some sort of a cyno jammers, when someone lights a cyno within 25km of force field, just move the cyno along the line from the cyno generator to forcefield (you know, the distance line) such that the distance is at minimum 25km

This does not add any significant calculations since this calculation is already done anyway. And this way anyone can continue to light any cyno within 25km, but the cyno would still appear 25km from the force field.

Expanding on this, move the cyno and the ship at a speed sufficient to get to that point in the calculating server tick or two
This way there is no cyno shield huggers, and we get some fun as the cyno ship starbursts off grid
Which could be a fun thing for battle, being able to remove cyno ships from the immediate area

Maybe, just maybe we should

PROHIBIT ALL MODULES in this zone, that way no more repping carriers hugging the shields, no more links hugging the shields etc


I would say this should apply to inside the shields, but a bridging Titan in lowsec for FW wouldn't last 12 seconds if it had to bridge outside the shields, so for that reason, I would say that is OK for now.

After reading people complaining, people with maybe viable solutions, and the overall theme of the update being "let's fix it till it breaks again". Seriously needs good amounts of testing before implemented. the bridges being moved is one hell of a nightmare alone, just from a bookmark perspective. Retool pos's totally, or at least clue us in as to what else you have planned for the future because as I see it it doesn't just break to fix stuff, it requires a major change on the part of everyone who utilizes what has just been changed for non-expolit and that number is far higher. I for one would love to see the transcript of the csm and how it got confirmed that this was still a good idea. How I fully understand risk vs reward, the situations which will now come up because of this will be rather large. The new system can potentially kill ships because oh look, the enemy can call in reinforcements because they are outside the range, but the slowboating (insert ship type here) is 15 km from either the shield or the edge of the no-cyno zone. I have no issue with the 25 km range, my issue is that a cyno (by the system) cannot be lit at all unless shield is down? You already require the cyno to be 25 km away, so force cynoing in ships to appear that far away in a 180 degree spread around that side of the pos.

Hey everyone. Like I said before, we incorporated the feedback from this thread last week and discussed a modified version of the plan with the CSM. We're now ready to announce the results.

In this new version of the plan, you will be able to activate the Cyno Field Gen module anywhere outside the shields, but if the ship lighting the cyno is within 25km of a starbase forcefield, the actual beacon will appear at least 25km away from the forcefield. Ships jumping to the cyno field will appear around that beacon 25km away instead of beside your ship.

The OP has been updated.
Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming.

Hey everyone. Like I said before, we incorporated the feedback from this thread last week and discussed a modified version of the plan with the CSM. We're now ready to announce the results.

In this new version of the plan, you will be able to activate the Cyno Field Gen module anywhere outside the shields, but if the ship lighting the cyno is within 25km of a starbase forcefield, the actual beacon will appear at least 25km away from the forcefield. Ships jumping to the cyno field will appear around that beacon 25km away instead of beside your ship.

The OP has been updated.
Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming.

Hey everyone. Like I said before, we incorporated the feedback from this thread last week and discussed a modified version of the plan with the CSM. We're now ready to announce the results.

In this new version of the plan, you will be able to activate the Cyno Field Gen module anywhere outside the shields, but if the ship lighting the cyno is within 25km of a starbase forcefield, the actual beacon will appear at least 25km away from the forcefield. Ships jumping to the cyno field will appear around that beacon 25km away instead of beside your ship.

The OP has been updated.
Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming.

Hey everyone. Like I said before, we incorporated the feedback from this thread last week and discussed a modified version of the plan with the CSM. We're now ready to announce the results.

In this new version of the plan, you will be able to activate the Cyno Field Gen module anywhere outside the shields, but if the ship lighting the cyno is within 25km of a starbase forcefield, the actual beacon will appear at least 25km away from the forcefield. Ships jumping to the cyno field will appear around that beacon 25km away instead of beside your ship.

The OP has been updated.
Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming.

Forgive the question if it has been previously asked.

Does this exclusion zone only affect normal cynofields? Would it be still possible to bridge bombers/recons/cloaky T3s and BlackOps within the 25km zone?

Wow

You actually listened

Am I in a dream

Hey everyone. Like I said before, we incorporated the feedback from this thread last week and discussed a modified version of the plan with the CSM. We're now ready to announce the results.

In this new version of the plan, you will be able to activate the Cyno Field Gen module anywhere outside the shields, but if the ship lighting the cyno is within 25km of a starbase forcefield, the actual beacon will appear at least 25km away from the forcefield. Ships jumping to the cyno field will appear around that beacon 25km away instead of beside your ship.

The OP has been updated.
Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming.

It is always good to find that we are making a small progress in regards to the Cyno Bumping of Titans. However the details regarding bumping in general with a POS involved have yet to be clarified upon. We recently lost one of our pilots to a permaban. The pilot was bumping a titan that was sticking it's head out of the shield. He did not have the POS password and was using a tornado to bump with. The thread is found from, link . In that regard is there any plans to revise or properly adjust the policies so this information is properly conveyed?

I foresee a day when someone will discover a titan sitting outside of a POS, is bumped further off and killed and the pilots involved are banned because all the dead titan pilot needs to do is merely insinuate that s/he was inside (in part or in whole) of the force field.

Part of this is the edge case of a Titan's model sticking partially (either substantially or minimally) outside of a forefield, allowing it to be bumped by an external ship. CCP should clarify that IN the forcefield means completely inside in a verifiable manner.

Now about that decision to shift Cyno Beacons and Jump Bridges out to the 25km position? Whyyyyyyyyyy? That does nothing with regard to this bumping issue and really nothing to create a shift in risk. What is does do is create the changing of millions of bookmarks.