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Sierra Payne
Confederation of Independent Contractors Swamphole
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:47:00 -
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Angelica Scatterbrain wrote:I have a crazy idea. How about just fixing the exploit and not screwing with the rest of the game? Weird huh? Or, admit your code is so dorked that you are incapable of fixing the exploit and have to screw with the rest of the game.
Guess what,
They are fixing it by making it impossible to bump. Is 25km excessive? Possibly. But is it a good change? Yes. Not only does it fix bumping, but it also introduces a slight bit more risk in order to fly the biggest ships. What do we tell every newbro? Don't fly what you can't replace?
Yea... |
Oh Takashawa
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
54
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:49:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:I've been in meetings with the CSM all morning, and amongst all the topics we did some further discussion around this change taking the public feedback into account. The conclusion of the discussion was satisfactory for all parties. Saying it was satisfactory is all well and good, but what we actually care about is the substance of that conclusion, which is remarkably absent from your update. |
Veng3ance
Origin. Black Legion.
39
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:50:00 -
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Sierra Payne wrote:Angelica Scatterbrain wrote:I have a crazy idea. How about just fixing the exploit and not screwing with the rest of the game? Weird huh? Or, admit your code is so dorked that you are incapable of fixing the exploit and have to screw with the rest of the game. Guess what, They are fixing it by making it impossible to bump. Is 25km excessive? Possibly. But is it a good change? Yes. Not only does it fix bumping, but it also introduces a slight bit more risk in order to fly the biggest ships. What do we tell every newbro? Don't fly what you can't replace? Yea...
Actually it reduces risk in most situations. In a game where people are insanely risk-adverse. |
Diivil
Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation
287
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:51:00 -
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vikari wrote: Impact to BMs - minor as it might be in the grand scheme of things, we really don't want to remake a hundred plus BMs if we can help it.
I know most people posting about the BM thing are not truly serious but in case some actually are..
Just get one corp in your alliance to update all their bookmarks and then copy them to the other corps. I won't go flying around the whole CFC JB network just so that my 5 man corp can have up to date bookmarks. I login my alt in Goonwaffe and copy the BMs, trade and import them to my corp. Takes like 2 minutes. |
Heat-seeking Moisture Missile
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:51:00 -
[185] - Quote
What can't the POS forcefield merely cancel out the bump mechanic? Suttf outside then can't bump stuff inside. Which seems logical to me you know.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
797
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:56:00 -
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I think it would help if we knew what the intended goal here was - obviously part is to fix the pos bowling exploit, but this change seems more far-reaching than you'd need for that and it seems like you're aiming at something else as well. It's hard to tell if this is a good change and make any useful feedback without knowing that. |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
149
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:01:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:I'm curious if this is actually a good idea. The giant cyno exclusion zone has a lot of seriously strange effects, like a titan bumped out of a pos being absolutely boned because it can't cyno in help.
Suddenly you have a reason to have an mjd Nestor on standby for Titan rescue ops. If by rescuing means giving the titan the chance to refit likely well before a carrier could warp to it.
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SkyFlyer
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
80
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:05:00 -
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Jalebi wrote:Bob FromMarketing wrote:Capqu wrote:*froths at the mouth* I made a table comparing the previous cyno distance from the POS and the current cyno distance from the POS as it stands Previous Range (m)New Range (m) 50025000 100025000 150025000 200025000 250025000 300025000 350025000 400025000 450025000 500025000 550025000 600025000 650025000 700025000 750025000 800025000 850025000 900025000 950025000 1000025000 1050025000 1100025000 1150025000 1200025000 1250025000 1300025000 1350025000 1400025000 1450025000 1500025000 1550025000 1600025000 1650025000 1700025000 1750025000 1800025000 1850025000 1900025000 1950025000 2000025000 2050025000 2100025000 2150025000 2200025000 2250025000 2300025000 2350025000 2400025000 2450025000 2500025000 can you convert this to kilomiles
the math was wrong
fixed
Previous Range (kilomiles)New Range (Kilomiles) 0.00031068559615534.27981 0.00062137119215534.27981 0.00093205678815534.27981 0.00124274238415534.27981 0.0015534279815534.27981 0.00186411357615534.27981 0.00217479917215534.27981 0.00248548476815534.27981 0.00279617036415534.27981 0.0031068559615534.27981 0.00341754155615534.27981 0.00372822715215534.27981 0.00403891274815534.27981 0.00434959834415534.27981 0.0046602839415534.27981 0.00497096953615534.27981 0.00528165513215534.27981 0.00559234072815534.27981 0.00590302632415534.27981 0.0062137119215534.27981 0.00652439751615534.27981 0.00683508311215534.27981 0.00714576870815534.27981 0.00745645430415534.27981 0.007767139915534.27981 0.00807782549615534.27981 0.00838851109215534.27981 0.00869919668815534.27981 0.00900988228415534.27981 0.0093205678815534.27981 0.00963125347615534.27981 0.00994193907215534.27981 0.0102526246715534.27981 0.0105633102615534.27981 0.0108739958615534.27981 0.0111846814615534.27981 0.0114953670515534.27981 0.0118060526515534.27981 0.0121167382415534.27981 0.0124274238415534.27981 0.0127381094415534.27981 0.0130487950315534.27981 0.0133594806315534.27981 0.0136701662215534.27981 0.0139808518215534.27981 0.0142915374215534.27981 0.0146022230115534.27981 0.0149129086115534.27981 0.0152235942 15534.27981 0.0155342798 15534.27981 |
Parthannun Solette
Prime Forces The Methodical Alliance
4
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:19:00 -
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so now you cant get an rorq to jump close to an forcefield anymore and so possibly get killed because it takes ages to move the thing |
Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
261
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:24:00 -
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good thread team |
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Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
64
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:30:00 -
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cynogen/jb i guess no one cares but station? oh boy you wona kill low sec no more jump freighters lol |
Alner Greyl
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
159
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:43:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:I've been in meetings with the CSM all morning, and amongst all the topics we did some further discussion around this change taking the public feedback into account. The conclusion of the discussion was satisfactory for all parties.
Hello Fozzie,
I have few questions:
1) Why it's more easy to make more troubles than fix code?
2) Where we can read/watch real CSM opinion about this trouble? It's look like "we discussed and I didn't change my mind."
3) How are you gonna solve these troubles: a) Noone can help you when something happened on pos. So you need to pass through tons of bubbles/enemies etc to light a cyno? Or players have to make more cyno toons? b) Black Ops operations. A lot of ppl do it because it's funny to catch something on pos/cynogen/jb whatever. They will need to pass through distance and then take a fight? c) Carrier repping pos. You gave them safety and shiny chances to do whatever they want. d) Short range dreads? Why you give us choice for long range guns only? e) Again hit on logistic. JF/rorqs will lose even little chance to get saved. Why? Why do you hate them?
My main question: Why do you, CCP, try to delay solution of the trouble? Tell us: we can't fix pos right now, don't bump titans pls and we've already begun working on fixes. Everyone will be happy.
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Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
90
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:46:00 -
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A legit solution. Will result in tears from those who want to casually just to a POS, but it all makes logical sense. If they can't fix the issue with the POS shield barrier through coding, which apparently they could not, then this is really the only solution other than to just ignore it. |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:47:00 -
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shimiku wrote:now that we are at it why don't we just add this to station also and kill logistic After w-space got essentially the same treatment in hyperion it would just be fair to extend this to stations.
Moving caps via cynos is way to safe. Low and null sec should be a dangerous place.If you don't have enough people to defend a cap you shouldn't be using them. Everyone complaining about this is a carebear and should HTFU. (Did I miss anything? There were so many nullsec shitposters in the wormhole thread - I might have missed some of their useless arguments) |
Inslander Wessette
primordial star Universal Paranoia Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:12:00 -
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Dear CCP fozzie,
I'll give a situation which u will solve for me ?
Assuming U own 5 poses in a system say in "Khanid" region say "Upt" which has no stations 3 jumps out . And u wanna do maintenance on ur pos .. fuel , taking moon goo etc ..
So u cyno in ur JF 150km from the tower cos i'm sure ur not gonna slow boat 25km in a Rhea into the shields.. u use an alt to deploy Cyno Jammer , Scan inhibitor yada yada yada .. U even use a Rapier to web ur JF to warp from 150km .
Le me scouting systems .. see u doing this i pass by .. i jus add u to watch list . 1 month later .. U do the same thing .. jus that i'll b having a 30 man ishtar fleet with 6 guardians cyoned in the adjacent system.. enuf to kill u b4 the pos guns even target us .. cos u cant call back up thru cyno ..cos ur own cyno jammer is up and running for good effect . Ur rapier is toast as well .
ur pos goes outta fuel soon cos ofc u cant fuel it buddy . Might as well right down ur pos to me . cos if u are gonna run 10 jumps to high sec in an iteron 5 with moon goo and fuel i'm gonna enjoy camping u .
CCP trolling on the little guys as usual .
guys who are about to face this situation - end subscription as soon as possible best solution there is .
or join a power block u'll eventually get there |
raging star
Circle Of Chaos
7
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:22:00 -
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Vhaine Vhindiscar wrote:Terrible change.
It's arbitrary and bad mechanics. A bandaid on a problem that really only affects that 1%. How about taking it back to the drawing board and seeing if you can't come up with a solution that doesn't affect ALL of null sec just to fix a problem that really only is an issue for a small minority of the players.
Honestly, how long will you let super caps define the play of the entire null sec population? Isn't it time to stop catering to them? Fix the problem, but don't go creating a whole laundry list of issues in the process. Surely, you guys can fix an exploit without resorting to a sledge hammer in the process...
So hate to agree, making a change this major affects everyone just to please a few. |
LtCol RTButts
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
27
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:38:00 -
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Inslander Wessette wrote:Dear CCP fozzie,
I'll give a situation which u will solve for me ?
Assuming U own 5 poses in a system say in "Khanid" region say "Upt" which has no stations 3 jumps out . And u wanna do maintenance on ur pos .. fuel , taking moon goo etc ..
So u cyno in ur JF 150km from the tower cos i'm sure ur not gonna slow boat 25km in a Rhea into the shields.. u use an alt to deploy Cyno Jammer , Scan inhibitor yada yada yada .. U even use a Rapier to web ur JF to warp from 150km .
Le me scouting systems .. see u doing this i pass by .. i jus add u to watch list . 1 month later .. U do the same thing .. jus that i'll b having a 30 man ishtar fleet with 6 guardians cyoned in the adjacent system.. enuf to kill u b4 the pos guns even target us .. cos u cant call back up thru cyno ..cos ur own cyno jammer is up and running for good effect . Ur rapier is toast as well .
ur pos goes outta fuel soon cos ofc u cant fuel it buddy . Might as well write down ur pos to me . cos if u are gonna run 10 jumps to high sec in an iteron 5 with moon goo and fuel i'm gonna enjoy camping u .
CCP trolling on the little guys as usual .
guys who are about to face this situation - end subscription as soon as possible best solution there is .
or join a power block u'll eventually get there
lesson one,
evey cyno alt is an unsave cyno after he had lit his first cyno. plain and simple. solve this problem and you increase your survivability.
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
1056
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:47:00 -
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I find this change very interesting.
This will certainly shake up capital activities abit, especially if this also applies to Titan bridging, no more poking nose out for bridge.
I believe the hardest hit though will be jump freighters though, as you will no longer be able to jump in right next to the sheilds. Slow boating in from 25KM out is not really an option for a JF when you got a lit cyno anouncing you presence.
This is going to cause some significant changes to basic EVE mechanics. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
437
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:50:00 -
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Inslander Wessette wrote:Dear CCP fozzie,
I'll give a situation which u will solve for me ?
Assuming U own 5 poses in a system say in "Khanid" region say "Upt" which has no stations 3 jumps out . And u wanna do maintenance on ur pos .. fuel , taking moon goo etc ..
So u cyno in ur JF 150km from the tower cos i'm sure ur not gonna slow boat 25km in a Rhea into the shields.. u use an alt to deploy Cyno Jammer , Scan inhibitor yada yada yada .. U even use a Rapier to web ur JF to warp from 150km .
Le me scouting systems .. see u doing this i pass by .. i jus add u to watch list . 1 month later .. U do the same thing .. jus that i'll b having a 30 man ishtar fleet with 6 guardians cyoned in the adjacent system.. enuf to kill u b4 the pos guns even target us .. cos u cant call back up thru cyno ..cos ur own cyno jammer is up and running for good effect . Ur rapier is toast as well .
ur pos goes outta fuel soon cos ofc u cant fuel it buddy . Might as well write down ur pos to me . cos if u are gonna run 10 jumps to high sec in an iteron 5 with moon goo and fuel i'm gonna enjoy camping u .
CCP trolling on the little guys as usual .
guys who are about to face this situation - end subscription as soon as possible best solution there is .
or join a power block u'll eventually get there if only there was some sort of capital ship that could haul 150k+ m^3 and could fit an MWD |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
132
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:56:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Inslander Wessette wrote:Dear CCP fozzie,
I'll give a situation which u will solve for me ?
Assuming U own 5 poses in a system say in "Khanid" region say "Upt" which has no stations 3 jumps out . And u wanna do maintenance on ur pos .. fuel , taking moon goo etc ..
So u cyno in ur JF 150km from the tower cos i'm sure ur not gonna slow boat 25km in a Rhea into the shields.. u use an alt to deploy Cyno Jammer , Scan inhibitor yada yada yada .. U even use a Rapier to web ur JF to warp from 150km .
Le me scouting systems .. see u doing this i pass by .. i jus add u to watch list . 1 month later .. U do the same thing .. jus that i'll b having a 30 man ishtar fleet with 6 guardians cyoned in the adjacent system.. enuf to kill u b4 the pos guns even target us .. cos u cant call back up thru cyno ..cos ur own cyno jammer is up and running for good effect . Ur rapier is toast as well .
ur pos goes outta fuel soon cos ofc u cant fuel it buddy . Might as well write down ur pos to me . cos if u are gonna run 10 jumps to high sec in an iteron 5 with moon goo and fuel i'm gonna enjoy camping u .
CCP trolling on the little guys as usual .
guys who are about to face this situation - end subscription as soon as possible best solution there is .
or join a power block u'll eventually get there if only there was some sort of capital ship that could haul 150k+ m^3 and could fit an MWD
well maybe he doesnt WANT to train a rorqual GOD why cant he just align down in his jf??? gay gamers for jesus |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
798
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:59:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:if only there was some sort of capital ship that could haul 150k+ m^3 and could fit an MWD no time to figure out how to play the game, too busy replacing "you" with "u" in my posts
busy busy busy |
Esteban Dragonovic
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:00:00 -
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I would say a better solution would be to simply exclude physics interactions between ships that are permitted to be inside of the pos shield and those that are not. But that would require you to actually look into that dreaded pos code now wouldn't it? |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
91
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:06:00 -
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Parthannun Solette wrote:so now you cant get an rorq to jump close to an forcefield anymore and so possibly get killed because it takes ages to move the thing Because Rorquals dont have warp drives.
My feedback: I dont like the fix, it reduces situation awareness. Also, carriers delegating fighters at field edge can feel safer now. |
Drak Fel
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
55
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:07:00 -
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You should really make it so that you can still light a cyno withing 25km but ships jumping in land beyond 25km.
Capitals/Supers/Titans in the 25km deadzone will not be able to light a cyno to even attempt to save themselves if they are tackled in between. |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:08:00 -
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Drak Fel wrote:Capitals/Supers/Titans in the 25km deadzone will not be able to light a cyno to even attempt to save themselves if they are tackled in between. Don't fly in between then?
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Overman
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:16:00 -
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Really curious why this was thought to be the best solution. Instead of say, increasing the mass of the Titan during bridging to prevent it from being bumped.
I understand Occam wasn't Icelandic or anything, but you guys might look into simple solutions for simple problems. |
JIeoH Mocc
brotherhood of desman Southern Federation
282
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:30:00 -
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I too thought it would be better to say "guyz, don't do this" and then just ban everybody who did it, but meh... |
Drak Fel
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
55
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:43:00 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:Drak Fel wrote:Capitals/Supers/Titans in the 25km deadzone will not be able to light a cyno to even attempt to save themselves if they are tackled in between. Don't fly in between then?
Because a titan has never bumped a little out of a shield. He should still be permitted to light a cyno to save himself when he is. This is bad for everyone with a super/titan, not just one group. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
91
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:43:00 -
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What about this solution? Right now, jump-in point is not legit, if [distance from ship center to POS tower] < [field radius]. Change the rule to: "jump-in point is not legit, if [distance from ship center to POS tower] + [ship radius] < [field radius].
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
800
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:43:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Parthannun Solette wrote:so now you cant get an rorq to jump close to an forcefield anymore and so possibly get killed because it takes ages to move the thing Because Rorquals dont have warp drives. My feedback: I dont like the fix, it reduces situation awareness when fighting at POS grid. Also, carriers delegating fighters at field edge can feel safer now. random proposal: for the purposes of drones and YOUR targeting, while in the exclusion zone you count as in the pos shields (so you can be shot at, but not shoot)
kills shield-hugging which is a dumb mechanic
problematic side effect is it kills unbonused ships from being able to rep pos or pos mods (and since nothing has a bonus to hull reps, ends hull repping)
hrmm, may need to rethink that |
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