think you've read somtehing i haven't

nothing is preventing ship caching

nothing is preventing clone jumps

nothing is preventing clone suicides

relocating clones to stations with out offices...oh, wait.....a corp can have an office in any station they have rights to do so... so i guess that keeps all the null sec clones right where they currently are.....

This "is" the foundation, a necessary first step.

Quite a bit more vulnerable

a foundation is something you can stand on without falling.

with the information provided by CCP this completely drops the bottom out with nothing to grasp for it to use as a life line.

that's how i see it.

something needs to be done ? - yes

this ? this seems to be backwards to what i would categorize as a "foundation"

does it actually effect what CCP hopes it will ? with the current information CCP has provided I don't think so

I'd be over joyed to see clone bays actually have a use in game.

I for one applaud CCP for such aggressive out-of-the-box changes. The movement of massive fleets across the entire galaxy in moments has led to the blue donut we know and hate. This is more a throwback to the old days, when there wasn't an easy button to press that led to your cap fleet immediately smashing ontop of your enemies face. Nullsec Alliances might actually have to *shock* think about how to defend their space.

i copied and pasted this quote to jabber and called it "what_highsec_publlords_actually_believe.txt"

just thought you'd like to know

relocate your home office to any station you have a clone at

suicide

appear instantly in PB

relocate your home office to any station you have a clone at

suicide

appear instantly DEK

used this more than you may want to know to "enforce immediate harm on my enemies" along far reaching stars

thanks Rowells, you seem to understand the irony in this nerf

it doesn't address the clone suicides

it doesn't address the clone jumps

it does keep a corp from or an individual from efficiently relocating from one location to another in a reasonable about of time

for example;

corp A is in Cloudring

corp A decides to relocate to Wicked Creek

instead of being able to move assets in a week or two - it'll take a month or more to relocate

that's the part i'm talking about - that's the part i'm concerned about

how does a pilot or corp relocate - not because they are projecting force in a hostile manner tonight - but because they want to live in WC instead of CR...but now they have to reconsider that decision because moving to that location is no longer efficient and will hinder play time - so now - if you are CR you'll need to relocate relatively close - in stages ? - a staged retreat i can understand - but a month or more to relocate just so u can live somewhere else ?

this is supposed to be fun - this is a game we play for enjoyment - this seems to address the issue with NULL sec blobs - but it doesn't really - it doesn't prevent "force projection" - it doesn't break up the super alliances - it doesn't break up control over NULL sec....

you do know that this is getting removed in phoebe right

The same trip in the blog would take 14 hours if you let your fatigue run down after each jump. I agree it is a bit much, but it's not a month. Besides JF are getting 90% fatigue reduction already. Also you seemed to miss the part about only being able to set your medical clone to the station you're currently in except for once a year or before a certain skillpoint threshold.

medical clone to the station you're currently in.

I was trying to clarify.

med clones are not jump clones

as long as you don't die...we'll see ;)

please tell us what will happen o master of moongoo

they usually have implants so someone's not likely to jc to another system and then suicide back to their home.

The same trip in the blog would take 14 hours if you let your fatigue run down after each jump. I agree it is a bit much, but it's not a month..

now factor in the compounding fatigue timers.....

Your jumproute from F5M-CC to CU9-T0 using a Rhea.
Jump Drive Calibration 1, Jump Fuel Conservation 1, Jump Freighters 1.

Total travel distance: 65.27ly.

so if you had the minimum amount of skills...this could be 65.27ly of travel

65.27ly / 5ly per jump = 13.054 jumps

now factor in the compounding fatigue timers.....

the dev already said they'll most likely lock the fatigue timer in at no more than a Month

now with all with the best skills:

Your jumproute from F5M-CC to CU9-T0 using a Rhea.
Jump Drive Calibration 5, Jump Fuel Conservation 5, Jump Freighters 5.

Total travel distance: 62.30ly. / 5ly = 12.46 jumps (13 jumps total i would think)

now factor in the compounding fatigue timers.....

BTW - i have no plans of slow boating a Rhea through gates

you just dont get it. the big power blocks will continue going about business as usual after this change - all they have to do is cache capitals in their regional holdings, and they have PLENTY of caps to do that with. Unless and until moon mining ceases to be an AFK ISK faucet, the paradigm will NOT change.

Haha, I see there has been some miscommunication here

I'm pretty sure there is going to be a fair amount of fiddling with this (which is a good thing), but a lot is going to depend on future changes that most players are not aware of yet.

The thing that is going to make this change the hardest is the fact that it needed to be done a loooong time ago.

Keep in mind that JF have the least penalties and can still move relatively freely over long distances... and of course where reasonably safe can use gates while their much shorter timers run down.

lets see you sit in an unfriendly lowsec or nullsec system in a JF all by yourself waiting for timers to expire :)

Change is coming. Full stop period

Playing the same way as the rules change around you is not advised. This is not a thread to decide IF the change is happening but modifications to the form.

CCP stated the objectives in the OP.

Me, I hope to hell that there is some balkanization but I do not want to see the megas die nor do I want the little guys killed off faster than a corner grocery when Walmart comes to town.

There should be room for both.

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CCP Greyscale:

This *is* our focus group

Learn to live out of a small fleet of carriers or JF's and rid yourself of needless material possessions, you can relocate in a week if that. Otherwise use wormholes, contracts to certain services, or just learn to maximize your efficency

a logistics CHAIN

This equals "Learn to live inside smaller containers", or "learn to live with more restrictions." No mater what side you are on, at some point we have to agree that restricting movement and assets is communistic and a ailed solution. Freedom is always a better way to do things. Why on earth would we be praising changes that curtail freedom? Not sure I like a society that raises up "fairness" over freedom.

Im sorry but you do realize 5ly is an entire region in curse? And theres a station in practically every low sec ever. And if your setting up a logistics CHAIN then it would also be feasible to invest in a POS or two for added safety. And yes you do have the luxury of planning it because like i said there are stations everywhere and you still have a good range. Look at provi e very single system has a station. Look at NPC Nullsec, TONS of stations even if only 1 per system.