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Eustise
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.10.27 17:54:50 -
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They still need more damage. 35-40%. As for the name. Is CCP getting shaggy with us? MetaCCP? Stigmatic, really?
The issue is that a lot of Eve equipment is strongly tech-based. It would be as bad as getting an item in WoW called a "Dual-layered interlocking segmented chainmail". |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
2010
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Posted - 2014.10.27 17:55:23 -
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Stigmata was a movie right?
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
CCP Goliath wrote:
Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1843
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:00:51 -
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I do not like to be offensive.. but ccp seriously... each CENT you spend on this feature is a wasted cent.
Just give us free subscription if you like to waste money.
"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
For the rest hire PoH |
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Ama Scelesta
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:02:03 -
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Is there a specific lore reason you're dead set on this particular naming scheme? Letting us know the lore thinking behind the weapon naming, might make it easier for us to swallow the name. Since we currently have no idea, to us it seems you're trying to add a very odd negative connotations to the use of the new guns for no obvious reason. Do they run on aborted baby juices or something? |
Soden Rah
Rapier Industry and Technology
Second Sun Rising
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:06:01 -
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I still think 'Berserker' weapons is the best suggestion.
It's a name people wont be embarrassed to use, fits in with the way the weapons work, and is acceptable in a sci-fi setting.
They are [supposed to be] high offence, low defence, burst weapons us you smash your enemy or die in a blaze of glory.
Berserker fits that perfectly.
Stigmatic... well that's telling me that these weapons are shaming and embarrassing, That your referencing a religion
nobody [in game] has even heard of, or that these guns should have gone to specsavers... |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:30:53 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:No but seriously call it "Overcharged"
It obviously implies that the damage output is increased, but to "overcharge" something implies an element of risk or danger, since, well, it means to "charge something too much" essentially. In this case the increased damage comes from drawing excessive power from ship systems which leads to the detrimental effect on defensive capabilities.
Well I hate to be tooting my own horn here, but my suggestion is actually good.
You should use it, because it's good and it doesn't sound stupid.
Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
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muhadin
Hard Knocks Inc.
Irresponsible Use of Capital.
188
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:40:05 -
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Go home ccp your drunk.
Bad names are bad names.
Zero Heavy Pulse Laser
"Zero" Is your resists
"Zero" Is the number of people that want these weapons.
"Zero" Is the number of people that like the names.
"Zero" Is the grade ccp get for this.
"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
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muhadin
Hard Knocks Inc.
Irresponsible Use of Capital.
188
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:44:20 -
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Oops doublepost.
"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
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Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:03:35 -
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At first I wasn't sure if the new name was worse or better than the old one. But I have now decided that they are both equally poor choices. I guess CCP is just trying to find words that have the same meaning across as many of their supported languages as they can, flavor and logic be damned. And its just not the name of these modules that is lack luster, the weapon itself is so niche as to be nearly pointless and not worth the coding time/art resources to even put them in.
Maybe CCP should push this project back until they can do it right. Because as of right now this feels like a hack job so they claim that they put something new in to the game.
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Alundil
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:11:00 -
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Capqu wrote:LMAO THAT NEW NAME JEEEEEEEEEEEESUS CHRIST
This new name just gave Jesus another set of stigmata
I'm right behind you
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Zappity
SUPREME MATHEMATICS
A Band Apart.
1482
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:23:23 -
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I think you are confused. This is EVE, a sci find MMO, not a vampire MMO.
This is worse than blighted. The connotations are definitely non-EVE.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:30:55 -
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I have a few issues and solutions to this.
1. The damage boost is tiny for the total loss of resists.
This problem is pretty big. If you boost the damage too high they're likely to be way OP in certain circumstances, but as of now it isn't worth the resist loss.
The best solution here is to make it a resist loss PER gun with a stacking penalty similar to resist modules. Not only does this allow for versatility which is inherent in every ship due to the ability to fit multiple different modules but it also allows for meta levels of these kinds of weapons that provide greater damage/tracking bonuses for weaker resists/ranges.
This would make them much more viable as well as it allows players to boost their damage without sacrificing ALL their resists but still taking a decent hit to EHP. So it still keeps them out of fleets (as resists are better then solid HP) but doesn't make them unwanted like they are in their current state. All without having to change their current damage, ROF or range. The amount of resist reduction could be tweeked per turret but seeing as how each class of ship can hold a different amount of guns it might have to be tested, especially in regards to destroyers and battle cruisers.
2. Pricing.
You mention it will cost the same as faction guns but that actually doesn't mean anything to us especially since faction guns are currently broken in regards to price vs performance and I believe it has been mentioned that with the module tiericide they will be balanced better in that regard. So what can we really expect when you say they're priced similarly? |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 20:07:59 -
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I have to agree with my more vocal peers. Both blighted and stigmatic are terrible names.
Of the various suggestions in the thread I actually like Berserker the most. It has a definite connotation that fits in with the weapon's function, and it sounds like something a pirate crew would come up with to do fast hit and runs on unarmed targets (like cruise liners).
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.10.27 20:23:44 -
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Call it WTF because WTF is the point of those guns.
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stoicfaux
5353
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Posted - 2014.10.27 20:37:34 -
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Zappity wrote:I think you are confused. This is EVE, a sci fi MMO, not a vampire MMO.
Aha! CCP is recycling existing World of Darkness dev assets!
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2923
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Posted - 2014.10.27 21:22:05 -
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lol. ok i want blighted back. who said it can't get worse regarding naming?
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
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Align Planet1
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.27 21:34:11 -
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Is it possible that a ship fitting these weapons would have negative resists in a Pulsar WH system? |
Jakob Anedalle
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2014.10.27 21:35:28 -
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Let's give some positive ideas rather than hating on everything.
I think the earlier suggestion of "overclocked" was good, though there were specific mechanics recommended there that I rather liked as well.
Or make us some lore like:
Crystalizing. The innovation of these weapon systems came from using the hull of the ship as an over-sized crystalline resonator. The downside of which was that the defenses of the hull become very fragile in the face of any applied energy.
Trying out all the things to do here in Eve - it's quite a checklist.
So I made a blog Jakob's Eve Checklist
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BobFromMarketing
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.10.27 21:37:52 -
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Jakob Anedalle wrote:Let's give some positive ideas rather than hating on everything.
I think the earlier suggestion of "overclocked" was good, though there were specific mechanics recommended there that I rather liked as well.
Or make us some lore like:
Crystalizing. The innovation of these weapon systems came from using the hull of the ship as an over-sized crystalline resonator. The downside of which was that the defenses of the hull become very fragile in the face of any applied energy.
I actually rather like the crystallized thing. Didn't think I would till I read the explanation |
Soden Rah
Rapier Industry and Technology
Second Sun Rising
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Posted - 2014.10.27 22:09:25 -
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Ok.. On the topic of how good/useful the guns are ignoring the name...
I don't think I can really evaluate them without knowing how much [ballpark] they will cost.
I'm looking at a cruiser fit atm which has gone from 730dps to 876dps [with a range drop but tracking boost]
where the ehp has only dropped 100hp from 5,500 to 5,400.
So If you were building a glass cannon fit anyway... this fit has gained some worthwhile [paper] dps.
[Although I really don't like the loss of range as blasters are short enough range to kick off with, and
glass cannon like to kite wherever possible.] with very little loss of ehp.
But you build glass cannon out of cheap t1 hulls that you don't cry over WHEN they go bang.
If these modules cost a few mill isk each [med blasters T2 currently about 1 mill each on TQ] then that might be
worth while...
If these modules cost 20~100 mill each, then it's not even worth considering.
How I might fit them and how I might use them is DEPENDENT on how much they cost.
I'm looking at fits and strategies I might consider and I just keep thinking that whether or not these weapons would
be worthwhile, and how I would use them, will depend entirely on how much isk I have to sink into them and how disposable
I consider the fit to be.
If the expected cost [for the med size weapons] is <5mill per unit then they can be considered compatible with disposable
glass cannon fits for small gang work.
If the cost is >20 mill per unit then the usage is going to be non-disposable ships with staying power or used where things shooting back is not anticipated... [which happens when in eve?]
Could we get some word on some kind of pricing for these... Because if these are just a bit above T2 prices then I think these are potentially interesting, if a little niche. [and I still want the range to be put back or even boosted, I think these should be aimed at kiting speed fits]. If these are really faction uuber expensive mods... I can't think of anywhere I would use them. |
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Carmen Electra
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.10.27 22:12:02 -
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Ack! +1 for those who are saying stigmatic and blighted are very un-EVE names.
Heck, "Deepsy" would be better.
Regardless of what you call them, I for one definitely will not be using these as they currently stand.
Bacon makes us stronger
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Kossaw
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
100
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Posted - 2014.10.27 23:07:09 -
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Can we go back to "Blighted" please. I can't believe somebody actually came up with something worse. You went from WoW to Catholicism.
WTB : An image in my signature
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1318
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Posted - 2014.10.28 00:40:52 -
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Might be an idea to pass the naming of new weapons and mods to another dev who has a sciences background, it seems we are getting WAY of the mark here......
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3887
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Posted - 2014.10.28 01:22:59 -
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stigmatic - anastigmatic
/-î+ªn+Öst+¬+í-êm+ªt+¬k/
adjective
1. (of a lens) not having astigmatism; forming point images of a point object located off the axis of the lens; stigmatic.
I still don't get it. +1 for Parasitic.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2929
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Posted - 2014.10.28 01:55:28 -
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resistance feeded [weapon type]
intransigating [weapon type]
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
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Malou Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.28 07:33:57 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:Does CCP have anyone who actually speaks English who can come up with a remotely decent name, rather than just jamming random words into Google Translate? This is worse than the first suggestion, get your **** together.
There's your answer:
Malou Hashur wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:Just to reassure you we're still here.
The naming convention is being looked at, when we have a good candidate we will update the thread with that info.
Its probably the same guy that came up with the idea of " Ample Light Missile Launcher" God help us
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Zappity
SUPREME MATHEMATICS
A Band Apart.
1490
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Posted - 2014.10.28 08:11:02 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:stigmatic - anastigmatic
/-î+ªn+Öst+¬+í-êm+ªt+¬k/
adjective
1. (of a lens) not having astigmatism; forming point images of a point object located off the axis of the lens; stigmatic.
I still don't get it. +1 for Parasitic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Tappits
north eastern swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.10.28 08:38:57 -
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News a 10 With your host Me
CCP after massive backlash on the naming of the new troll guns appears to have gone all in on the troll with the new even worse name,
People got there pitchforks back out again.
Also most useless mod in eve coming soon to a wreck near you.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1322
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Posted - 2014.10.28 08:44:43 -
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Zappity wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:stigmatic - anastigmatic
/-î+ªn+Öst+¬+í-êm+ªt+¬k/
adjective
1. (of a lens) not having astigmatism; forming point images of a point object located off the axis of the lens; stigmatic.
I still don't get it. +1 for Parasitic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata
CCP please! Just get this right, there are only so many religions you can "make fun" of, some will be less tolerant......
But either way, you are not impressing people, English is a language with many depths of meaning, Ample was bad enough, you do know the normal day to day meaning and semantics of the word, and it is meant as a joke, isnt it?
Just in case you didn't
Ample is usually used in a tongue in cheek way, for example, an ample build, is used to describe someone who is as fat as a whale.
If you ask someone who has won an eating competition and has food spread all over and around him when asked if there was enough food might reply "ample"
But the main meaning refers to breast size, when referring to someone with breasts the size of watermelons,
Jokes are funny when seen the first time, they become weary with use.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3889
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Posted - 2014.10.28 08:50:33 -
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Zappity wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata
I know what it means - I don't get how the name has any bearing in EVE... Did the stats get updated or are they still fairly abysmal?
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Jokes are funny when seen the first time, they become weary with use.
The irony is I don't think it was intended to be funny... Still holding out for my ample, blighted stigmatic weapons...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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