Just because someone was dumb enough to buy out of hub or unsorted market goods doesn't mean the bubble is growing again. Plex remains stubborn at 820-830mil. Again, there is no demand to push an increase.

And yes I know that cash -> plex cannot go the other way directly, which is why I would never suggest stockpiling something that doesn't actually exist is good. Again, if CCP wanted to they could sell plex for $5 a piece and crash the market, they could also stop the plex for training or plex for transfers. There is a number of things that CCP could do or undo that effect plex. Since the system is out of the hands of the player I don't feel it is a worthwhile investment unless you have the account numbers to utilize your future stockpiles.

History teaches us that CCP has only done things that make PLEX more desirable so far and have never ever tampered with the intrinsic value of PLEX (the 30 day sub).

I never thought they would do what they did to Isboxer.

Never ever.

Though I'm sure it will never ever happen again.

So again: based on that knowledge, what do you think is the safest investment in EVE? *Any item* or PLEX?

Then you were a bit naive. Isboxer has been borderlining botting for a long time, I expect them to enforce cache scraping too in the not too distant future for instance, which has been ignored for years now.

And if you think that there is a realistic chance that CCP is going to nerf PLEX intrinsic value without compensation for existing stocks, you're a bit naive as well. I'm not even sure it would be possible legally. Yesyes, we know PLEX is an ingame item and fall under the EULA and by that definition they can do whatever they want with it but it would be interesting to see how that holds up in court in a class action law suit. It would be much the same as buying a gift card for 20 bucks which then get's turned into a gift card for 10 bucks. Even if it were possible it would **** off so many ppl that I suspect the Summer of Rage will be dwarfed by it.

You're right if you're saying that it CAN happen but you're wrong if you think that it is likely to happen. Pretty much everything else in EVE is a much more risky investment as they don't represent an intrinsic value so important as the stuff you can do with PLEX. There are countless examples of nerfs and buffs to pretty much everything in game, there are none (0, that is zero) for PLEX.

So again: based on that knowledge, what do you think is the safest investment in EVE? *Any item* or PLEX?

Toad, do you really believe this rubbish you're spouting?

And to the American hater there... is it supposed to be an insult that you think Americans are the only ones with courts?!

I think the fact that because you took Makhpella's observation as an affront to being American and as a personal insult, you very much verified his opinion.

I'd quite like to see PLEX have an expiry time after their first market transaction to stop people stockpiling them for trading and reselling later.

I'd also like to see Mila Kunis naked in my bed waiting for me later, however I know that won't happen either all because CCP is so greedy for people's real money and know higher PLEX prices means more in game stuff for people's money.... and less chance for Mila in my bed.

Barstewards.

And in many of the countries with large Eve subscribers PLEX is borderline illegal. Do not fool yourself into thinking that PLEX is anything more than one court case away from being worthless in this game. Perhaps not worthless, just not worth what you think it would be.

Imagine holding 100 plex as your life savings in eve... it becomes illegal tender for in game transactions (because ganking and destroying plex would be akin to larceny in most countries). The PLEX is declared valid only for game time and is auto applied to the account you hold. How worthwhile is it to have 100 months of game time in a game that might not live that long?

Everything could change, as many things have in the past and will in the future. I would say the most worthwhile investment in game if you don't like isk is Trit... as the game has always used it and always will. But again, I wouldn't stockpile anything that has no actual live value, hence I would stockpile nothing in eve.

That... actually makes a hell of a lot of sense. And as you said, makes too much sense for CCP to ever implement. But grats on coming up with a nearly perfect solution to the hoarding issue.

You willing to put everything you worked for in this game, possibly even real life cash up to the support the belief that PLEX will be around forever and CCP doesn't ever mess with the market of the most secretive item in it's history? OK, have fun.

You willing to put everything you worked for in this game, possibly even real life cash up to the support the belief that PLEX will be around forever and CCP doesn't ever mess with the market of the most secretive item in it's history? OK, have fun.!

And in many of the countries with large Eve subscribers PLEX is borderline illegal. Do not fool yourself into thinking that PLEX is anything more than one court case away from being worthless in this game. Perhaps not worthless, just not worth what you think it would be.

Imagine holding 100 plex as your life savings in eve... it becomes illegal tender for in game transactions (because ganking and destroying plex would be akin to larceny in most countries). The PLEX is declared valid only for game time and is auto applied to the account you hold. How worthwhile is it to have 100 months of game time in a game that might not live that long?

Everything could change, as many things have in the past and will in the future. I would say the most worthwhile investment in game if you don't like isk is Trit... as the game has always used it and always will. But again, I wouldn't stockpile anything that has no actual live value, hence I would stockpile nothing in eve.

If you bought 1T of PLEX one year ago and sold it a few weeks ago you would have 1.544T

If you bought 1T of Tritanium one year ago and sold it a few weeks ago you would have 1.165T

It's not just about what you buy and sell, but when you buy and sell it too.

Also these:

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=34#history
http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?type_id=29668

Edit: http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=34#supply

Take it out to as far as you want, it is the only graph you need to see how silly it is to belittle the trit market.

There are people putting up buy orders for hundreds of PLEX at 800m over the last few days, it only briefly drops below 800m as those get filled up. The fatcats seem to think this is a time to buy, and I wouldn't expect it to go lower than this either.

Just watch. They don't have the isk to stop what is coming.

Just watch. They don't have the isk to stop what is coming.