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dawww
Custard Cowboys
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Posted - 2016.04.27 21:36:53 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:u3pog wrote:I think someone doesn't want PLEX below 949 999 999.99 ISK...There must be 20K pieces in buy orders at that price. 20,000 / 20% = 20,000 x 0.20 = 4,000 PLExes x 949,999,999.99 ISK (or 949.9m ISK, or 0.949b ISK) = The result is out of range. = 37,999,999.996m ISK. (In supposed profit, way over the cost of a Citadel.) = 37,999.99b ISK = 37.99T ISK, or enough for an XL Citadel + a Palatine / Palladium. Also, it is extremely hard to conspire to do good.
well if there are orders for 20000 plex that's around $280,000 worth, who has that kind of money to spend on a game....could just buy another house |
Varnik
Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail
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Posted - 2016.04.27 21:53:40 -
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dawww wrote:Buzz Orti wrote:u3pog wrote:I think someone doesn't want PLEX below 949 999 999.99 ISK...There must be 20K pieces in buy orders at that price. 20,000 / 20% = 20,000 x 0.20 = 4,000 PLExes x 949,999,999.99 ISK (or 949.9m ISK, or 0.949b ISK) = The result is out of range. = 37,999,999.996m ISK. (In supposed profit, way over the cost of a Citadel.) = 37,999.99b ISK = 37.99T ISK, or enough for an XL Citadel + a Palatine / Palladium. Also, it is extremely hard to conspire to do good. well if there are orders for 20000 plex that's around $280,000 worth, who has that kind of money to spend on a game....could just buy another house
There are indeed a lot of orders (In Jita) at this price and I do wonder who is manipulating the market...
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
108
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Posted - 2016.04.27 22:44:42 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:u3pog wrote:I think someone doesn't want PLEX below 949 999 999.99 ISK...There must be 20K pieces in buy orders at that price. 20,000 / 20% = 20,000 x 0.20 = 4,000 PLExes x 949,999,999.99 ISK (or 949.9m ISK, or 0.949b ISK) = The result is out of range. = 37,999,999.996m ISK. (In supposed profit, way over the cost of a Citadel.) = 37,999.99b ISK = 37.99T ISK, or enough for an XL Citadel + a Palatine / Palladium. Also, it is extremely hard to conspire to do good.
These orders are bogus. You can confirm it by importing the prices in a sheet. (margin trading scam) |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
308
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Posted - 2016.04.28 00:14:04 -
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dawww wrote:...
well if there are orders for 20000 plex that's around $280,000 worth, who has that kind of money to spend on a game....could just buy another house My brother in law is a commercial real-estate agent or broker and you can buy a $600,000 house with $5,000 down-payment.
Also, the EVE Online hardware costs millions of which the $280,000 is not even the 20% which 80% of the populus (latin term for effect, not efficiency) pays.
Many commercial building including CCP's basement is probably worth over millions over the hardware millions.
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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Keacha
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.04.28 03:09:35 -
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Varnik wrote: There are indeed a lot of orders (In Jita) at this price and I do wonder who is manipulating the market...
These orders went up a few hours before patch. I checked a few of them and they all belonged to Probag Bear. See his post in MD. Pre patch speculation etc.
Originally the orders were placed to push the price up. Very few people bothered to out bid him for several hours before patch release . He pushed the price up about 15m. No one else really bidding. A few minutes after the patch was release and eve went back on line he caved and dropped the orders to 950m. As you can see he has since decreased the orders to 849m.
Its not CCP. They want the price to drop as do I. Enjoy the cheap plex while it lasts |
General Muller
RpG-CONVICTS-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2016.04.28 13:47:36 -
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dawww wrote:well if there are orders for 20000 plex that's around $280,000 worth, who has that kind of money to spend on a game....could just buy another house
Just ask Bill Gates. He saved CCP from near collapse a few years ago.... |
Makeleth Riatu Solette
I Want ISK Corp
43
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Posted - 2016.04.28 14:23:46 -
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General Muller wrote:dawww wrote:well if there are orders for 20000 plex that's around $280,000 worth, who has that kind of money to spend on a game....could just buy another house Just ask Bill Gates. He saved CCP from near collapse a few years ago....
Not sure if sarcasm or legit. If legit, link please?
Need a loan? Look at my thread!
Mail me if you'd like some marketing advice or advice in general
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
737
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Posted - 2016.04.28 18:48:46 -
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Aaron Honk wrote:Buzz Orti wrote:u3pog wrote:I think someone doesn't want PLEX below 949 999 999.99 ISK...There must be 20K pieces in buy orders at that price. 20,000 / 20% = 20,000 x 0.20 = 4,000 PLExes x 949,999,999.99 ISK (or 949.9m ISK, or 0.949b ISK) = The result is out of range. = 37,999,999.996m ISK. (In supposed profit, way over the cost of a Citadel.) = 37,999.99b ISK = 37.99T ISK, or enough for an XL Citadel + a Palatine / Palladium. Also, it is extremely hard to conspire to do good. These orders are bogus. You can confirm it by importing the prices in a sheet. (margin trading scam)
Why would someone waste lots of billions of ISK in broker fee for a scam? Plus I don't see how buy orders with min volume of 1 and such a low price is a scam...
To me this looks like stockpiling for the cold winter. You know, "winter is coming" and all that...Maybe a coallition which already lost a lot. It just looks too much for a single person's pocket. |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2016.04.28 21:39:07 -
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Keacha wrote:Varnik wrote: There are indeed a lot of orders (In Jita) at this price and I do wonder who is manipulating the market...
These orders went up a few hours before patch. I checked a few of them and they all belonged to Probag Bear. See his post in MD. Pre patch speculation etc. Originally the orders were placed to push the price up. Very few people bothered to out bid him for several hours before patch release . He pushed the price up about 15m. No one else really bidding. A few minutes after the patch was release and eve went back on line he caved and dropped the orders to 950m. As you can see he has since decreased the orders to 849m. Its not CCP. They want the price to drop as do I. Enjoy the cheap plex while it lasts
How did you check a few orders? |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
256
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Posted - 2016.04.28 23:22:32 -
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Why in the hell would he need 400 something bil if he has the cheese to put up 38 tril worth of buy orders?
Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
737
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Posted - 2016.04.28 23:26:33 -
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Zahara Cody wrote:Why in the hell would he need 400 something bil if he has the cheese to put up 38 tril worth of buy orders?
He should skip the PLEX thing and just save for the Palatine citadel, so he can get an achievement...oh wait, that's another game.
What a turn of events, eh? From 1350 mil right after the injector fever, down to less than a billion in 2 months. I wonder where we're headed next... |
Keacha
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.04.28 23:28:57 -
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I sold plex into different buy orders over a couple of hours using different characters.
I dont think it was a scam. More likely looking at using the patch to push up prices but realized the 3x increase in daily plex sales would stop any attempt to push prices up, Still worth a try and also make people notice. Could have done it to mask his real reason, He most likely still wants plex however will buy them cheaper when the price bottoms out.
Also being a regular buyer of plex it is likely that the real reason that the orders where put up directly before the patch was to save the 2%.brokers fee. (if that worked prepatch). It doesn't sound a lot but when the plex market returns profits of less than 1% a transaction it means he will triple his return per sale down the track. It is a reasonable use of the margin trading skill when dealing with volumns like that. He will be more competitive than any other trader for a while and can choose to dominate the plex market for a while if he likes. |
probag Bear
Xiong Offices
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Posted - 2016.04.29 00:01:30 -
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Keacha wrote:I sold plex into different buy orders over a couple of hours using different characters. I dont think it was a scam. His market post to get extra isk however sounds like it was an attempt. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=478043&p=2 Maybe just looking at using the patch to push up prices using bulk orders and market force, but realized the 3x increase in daily plex sales would stop any attempt to push prices up, Still worth a try and also make people notice. Maybe did it to mask his real reason, He most likely still wants plex however will buy them cheaper when the price bottoms out. Also being a regular buyer of plex it is also likely that the real reason that the orders were put up directly before the patch was to save the 2%.brokers fee. (if that worked prepatch). It doesn't sound a lot but when the plex market returns profits of less than 1% a transaction it means he will triple his return per sale down the track. It is a reasonable use of the margin trading skill when dealing with volumns like that. He will be more competitive than any other trader for a while and can choose to dominate the plex market for a while if he likes. So many reason for doing this as a trader and thats just a few possible reasons. Knowledge is power.
But then how did I get the 38 trillion?.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3abPnEEGE
:n all seriousness, it's not me. I only made a few small orders. The rest belong to someone I told the method to. His name... "Pear brobag" |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
309
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Posted - 2016.04.29 00:43:17 -
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+37.99 T x 5 = 189.95 T
(builds enemy Quafe ship in a bottle...)
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
879
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Posted - 2016.04.29 04:04:04 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:+37.99 T x 5 = 189.95 T
(builds enemy Quafe ship in a bottle...)
eve-marketdata Sellers 0.9 The Forge - Jita :5 units -952,900,000 ISK- 1 hour ago
eve-central Sell Orders Heimatar[-] 0.9 Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury :970,000,000.00 -1 unit -2016-05-05 -11 hours ago
Buzz, what in the world are you talking about
Fluffy Bunny Pic!
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Keacha
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.04.29 16:04:26 -
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probag Bear wrote:But then how did I get the 38 trillion?.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3abPnEEGE :n all seriousness, it's not me. I only made a few small orders. The rest belong to someone I told the method to. His name... "Pear brobag"
Ok I'll bite since people in MD don't seem to understand the game.
You didn't.. You sell to yourself 24% to remove the ISK from escrow. Then put another order up and repeat.
Knowledge is power.. Move along |
HeXxploiT
Little Red X
230
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Posted - 2016.04.29 16:35:41 -
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Oh how I am tickled by all the rationals in this thread as of late..
The flying spaghetti monster accidentally sneezed and plex came out his rear resulting in a slight oversupply and therefor completely rational reason as to why plex prices are TEMPORARILY dropping.
Lol... |
Fydo Skor
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2016.04.29 16:51:18 -
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Keacha wrote:probag Bear wrote:But then how did I get the 38 trillion?.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3abPnEEGE :n all seriousness, it's not me. I only made a few small orders. The rest belong to someone I told the method to. His name... "Pear brobag" Ok I'll bite since people in MD don't seem to understand the game. You didn't.. You sell to yourself 24% to remove the ISK from escrow. Then put another order up and repeat. Cost 95GTC. That spike of 8000 extra gtc on patch day was mainly you not the patch. Nice attempt to hide it though. Knowledge is power.. Move along
First, where did you get 95 from? Seems like it would cost a lot more than that.
Second, how does he plan to profit from this? I just see senseless money being thrown away to make a HUGE number of PLEX orders. I guess he can out margin people on PLEX until the end of time?
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Keacha
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.04.29 18:43:09 -
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The cost of 95 GTC was just a 5 second guesstimate of what I felt it would cost. Its more like 75 GTC. Very rough math is below.
Before patch the lowest possible sales tax was 0.75% Before patch the lowest possible Broker Fee was 0.1875%
Placing order up only costed broker fee Selling to self with 'immediate' option only costs sale tax Therefore Total Transaction cost about 1%
Currently he has buy orders of 17908 units, however he would have had to sell about 25% of his orders back to himself to get rid of the isk that was tied up in margin trading and use that isk again. i.e. Sold about 4478 plex back to himself.
Therefore put up orders of about 17908+4478 = 22386 plex
22386plex * 1b isk * 0.1875% = 41b isk spent to put up the orders
Cost to sell back to himself would be 4478plex * 1b isk * 0.75% = 33.6b
Total cost is roughly 41b+33.6b = 74.6b or about 75 GTC
75b to someone trading in GTC is nothing. He will make an extra 20 mil per GTC he sells due to the changes in tax/broker rates. Which means he will get his isk cost back in 3750 plexs sales. lets say he does that really really slow and takes a month....
He can do the same over the next 3.77 months with a profit of 283b and all it cost him was 75b in set up money.
Not bad for 4.7 months and that is if he takes it slow could done much quicker. If he bluffs and pushes the price up using his orders as he goes he could make a lot more. I'm always amazed that so many people don't understand trading better.
Knowledge is power...
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4839
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Posted - 2016.04.29 19:16:07 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:u3pog wrote:I think someone doesn't want PLEX below 949 999 999.99 ISK...There must be 20K pieces in buy orders at that price. 20,000 / 20% = 20,000 x 0.20 = 4,000 PLExes x 949,999,999.99 ISK (or 949.9m ISK, or 0.949b ISK) = The result is out of range. = 37,999,999.996m ISK. (In supposed profit, way over the cost of a Citadel.) = 37,999.99b ISK = 37.99T ISK, or enough for an XL Citadel + a Palatine / Palladium. Also, it is extremely hard to conspire to do good.
20,000/20% = 20,000/.2 = 20,000/(1/5) = 20,000*5=100,000.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4839
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Posted - 2016.04.29 19:26:15 -
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Fydo Skor wrote:Keacha wrote:probag Bear wrote:But then how did I get the 38 trillion?.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3abPnEEGE :n all seriousness, it's not me. I only made a few small orders. The rest belong to someone I told the method to. His name... "Pear brobag" Ok I'll bite since people in MD don't seem to understand the game. You didn't.. You sell to yourself 24% to remove the ISK from escrow. Then put another order up and repeat. Cost 95GTC. That spike of 8000 extra gtc on patch day was mainly you not the patch. Nice attempt to hide it though. Knowledge is power.. Move along First, where did you get 95 from? Seems like it would cost a lot more than that. Second, how does he plan to profit from this? I just see senseless money being thrown away to make a HUGE number of PLEX orders. I guess he can out margin people on PLEX until the end of time?
He is hoping the new taxes/fees will drive up the price, which is probably will.
However, the risk is that the price for some other reason does not drop below the price he bought them for. With the number of PLEX being talked about it will likely take awhile to unwind that position and realize the profits.
Oh, and this is not manipulation it is more accurately described as speculation.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
108
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Posted - 2016.04.29 22:06:41 -
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probag Bear wrote:But then how did I get the 38 trillion?.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3abPnEEGE :n all seriousness, it's not me. I only made a few small orders. The rest belong to someone I told the method to. His name... "Pear brobag"
You did like that
https://imgur.com/a/8Tps5 |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
258
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Posted - 2016.04.29 22:20:34 -
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Its definitely probear and his partner who have put up all of these margin Plex buy orders. Hope it works out .
Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
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probag Bear
Xiong Offices
90
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Posted - 2016.04.29 22:21:32 -
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Keacha wrote:The cost of 95 GTC was just a 5 second guesstimate of what I felt it would cost. Its more like 75 GTC. Very rough math is below.
Before patch the lowest possible sales tax was 0.75% Before patch the lowest possible Broker Fee was 0.1875%
Placing order up only cost broker fee Selling to self with 'immediate' option only costs sale tax Therefore Total Transaction cost about 1%
Currently he has buy orders of 17908 units, however he would have had to sell about 25% of his orders back to himself to get rid of the isk that was tied up in margin trading and use that isk again. i.e. Sold about 4478 plex back to himself.
Therefore put up orders of about 17908+4478 = 22386 plex
22386plex * 1b isk * 0.1875% = 41b isk spent to put up the orders
Cost to sell back to himself would be 4478plex * 1b isk * 0.75% = 33.6b
Total cost is roughly 41b+33.6b = 74.6b or about 75 GTC
75b to someone trading in GTC is nothing. He will make an extra 20 mil per GTC he sells due to the changes in tax/broker rates. Which means he will get his isk cost back in 3750 plexs sales. lets say he does that really really slow and takes a month....
He can do the same over the next 3.77 months with a profit of 283b and all it cost him was 75b in set up money.
Not bad for 4.7 months and that is if he takes it slow. It could done much much quicker. If he bluffs and pushes the price up using his orders as he goes he could make a lot more. I'm always amazed that so many people don't understand trading better or see opportunities more. I missed this one because I don't play like I used to. My bad.
Knowledge is power...
Someone finally got it, and it was someone who didn't even receive all the hints I was broadcasting.
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
108
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Posted - 2016.04.29 22:47:47 -
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Some data about all of this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GewsCo1OYLTpTU_B8Pn2c3ap3dUG1CPQkmf32hqIzoo/edit?usp=sharing
As you can see, one order was canceled or busted |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
879
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Posted - 2016.04.29 23:04:36 -
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Or sold
Fluffy Bunny Pic!
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5800
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Posted - 2016.05.01 15:02:49 -
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I'm into the PLEX market now, just spent an 11 figure sum buying them. In for the medium to long term hold.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6359218#post6359218 was my reasoning months ago. I predicted the present dip (expected it to not be as sharp as it was) and made myself liquid in expectation of it.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2016.05.03 16:40:23 -
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Rhivre wrote:Buzz Orti wrote: #1180 - 2016-04-29 00:43:17 UTC +37.99 T x 5 = 189.95 T
(builds enemy Quafe ship in a bottle...)
eve-marketdata Sellers 0.9 The Forge - Jita :5 units -952,900,000 ISK- 1 hour ago
eve-central Sell Orders Heimatar[-] 0.9 Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury :970,000,000.00 -1 unit -2016-05-05 -11 hours ago
Buzz, what in the world are you talking about Why does it take 30 minutes to 1 hour to load the last update? Because all the new rooms in the citadel that are going to be blowed up have to be loaded before it can start...
And I'd really like for the accounts page to load so that I can post the PLEx sale offer rates.
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
329
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Posted - 2016.05.05 11:32:21 -
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http://imgur.com/stxjsOH 1 PLEX $19.95
2 PLEX Save $4.91 $34.99
6 PLEX Save $14.73 $104.97
12 PLEX Save $29.46 $209.94
28 PLEX Save $68.74 $489.86
Can you see the difference? 12 and 13 PLEX is more saving and 30 to 28 PLEX is less saving...
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4846
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Posted - 2016.05.05 22:33:18 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:http://imgur.com/stxjsOH 1 PLEX $19.95
2 PLEX Save $4.91 $34.99
6 PLEX Save $14.73 $104.97
12 PLEX Save $29.46 $209.94
28 PLEX Save $68.74 $489.86
Can you see the difference? 12 and 13 PLEX is more saving and 30 to 28 PLEX is less saving...
Uhmmm what? 68.74/28 = 24.55.
29.46/12 = 2.455. Looks the same to me.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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