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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
1322
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Posted - 2016.03.17 19:26:09 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:Was it you Bad Bobby mentioning about informing your broker about related events aimed at PLEX Prices changes , such as those events that try to cover changes by making them seem off-topic?
It was my posts about your posts being gibberish, if that's what you mean.
How that is off topic is anyone's guess. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
1329
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Posted - 2016.03.19 06:51:20 -
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And...
PLEX is 1B again! |
Nina Nobuna
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.03.19 06:53:45 -
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Time to horde em plex, just waiting for the right time, seems like its still going down XD |
Tazinas2
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2016.03.19 16:30:53 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Tazinas2 wrote:Plex are too expensive, skill extractors are too cheap and skill injectors are too expensive. Did you mean PLEX is too expensive in ISK or $? Tazinas2 wrote:All I will say is 1.1 B isk is worth more than ~ $17. And now there is a new way of looking at the value of that plex because of injectors/ extractors. That's not what the market says ;). Tazinas2 wrote:No, it is to everyone considering what it takes to make 17 usd to what it takes to make 1.1 B in game. And that's just a fact. Very easy to make 17 bucks. Much harder to make 1.1 B isk.
I agree with this, I think the average EVE player can earn $17 much faster than they could 1.1b.
All eve players can earn 17 bucks faster than 1.1 B. So 200m/h running incursions equals around 5 hours running incursions. 17/5 =3.40 per hour wage. Whats the minimum wage here in America? What $10 an hour something like that? You could deliver pizza for like an hour and make that much.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
223
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Posted - 2016.03.19 22:13:28 -
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Isk was going to be good to me, but I don't even have any use to get active game time either now.
This is more like a system to investigate which security entities are involved and try to ban me to justify how they try to make me look how they want and make me do what they want.
According to them, I should be the one to damage others, and pay lawyers some tens of thousands, just to be with them, or to make up for damages, they intend on making me do, and hold me liable to.
I don't think that would be a good idea to ask others to join them if they were to try to do this to them as well.
Either way, the fact that the PLEx is back down at 1b ISK, instead of 1.2b ISK or 1.1b ISK until next September, end of August 2016, means that , it will be worth a 20% investment profit on a billion which is not bad, considering it is 200m ISK a unit.
5 units at 5 billion = 1 billion profit, which is easy profit, capital wise.
Of course, it is a far cry from the 400% business profit or 10,000% + cap.
Either way, I have no use for it due to the aforementioned facts.
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
77
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Posted - 2016.04.08 23:46:24 -
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Will we hit the sub 1B price today ? https://i.imgur.com/ZsV0xqi.png
That 100 units order look strong!
Meanwhile, Dodixie B/O did break the 1B mark ! https://i.imgur.com/o2r4pv3.png
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2016.04.09 00:32:19 -
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I of course was in no way predicting this, and of course the prices were only going to go up and up and up.
I mean, it was simply a scientific analysis of the potential outcomes given different possible set of circumstances,
which ...
Well, it didn't quite happened as mentioning, since there was nothing about a war or rabbit ears, brown, white or black.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
4823
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Posted - 2016.04.12 17:06:32 -
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WTF?
What about market manipulation and all that bullshite? How can the price be this low?
Clearly it must be part of a grand cornspiracy by the eveeel masterlords of the the market.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2016.04.12 18:24:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:WTF? What about market manipulation and all that bullshite? How can the price be this low? Clearly it must be part of a grand cornspiracy by the eveeel masterlords of the the market.
The one and only grand cornspiracy by the eveeel masterlords of the the market scheme.
There is also the other one, but I don't talk about that.
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Tavari Minrathos
Honey Badgers R US
16
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Posted - 2016.04.13 16:43:28 -
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Major Players liquidating for Citadel BPO's and lots of new or low SP characters buying PLEX from to convert into skill injectors.
Add that with a lot of the speculators at the 1.1 or 1.2B price trying to get out of the market over the last few months means a lot of PLEX hitting the market.
Also potentially more than a few vets coming back for the war who might be needing a bit of isk and either dump some of their PLEX stash or buy from CCP to reship.
Due to how SP is now more interwoven with PLEX, I wouldn't be to surprised if we see a plateau for ~6 months |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2016.04.13 19:27:04 -
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Tavari Minrathos wrote:Major Players liquidating for Citadel BPO's and lots of new or low SP characters buying PLEX from to convert into skill injectors.
Add that with a lot of the speculators at the 1.1 or 1.2B price trying to get out of the market over the last few months means a lot of PLEX hitting the market.
Also potentially more than a few vets coming back for the war who might be needing a bit of isk and either dump some of their PLEX stash or buy from CCP to reship.
Due to how SP is now more interwoven with PLEX, I wouldn't be to surprised if we see a plateau for ~6 months
This would be early August, to early September, as last year, in 2015, and the year before in 2014, and the year before that in 2013, and the other years before then too.
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Anthar Thebess
1497
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Posted - 2016.04.14 11:09:58 -
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Hint from my side.
One of the guys that was doing huge plex manipulation for plex left the game.
Reason : Skill Injectors
He did not sell his stock, but player of his size off the market change a lot.
Next is MBC - it is also founded from some people plex reserve.
Last is skill extractor/injector speculation - you can make much more isk on this, rather than on constantly raising plex price.
Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2016.04.14 14:23:51 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Hint from my side.
One of the guys that was doing huge plex manipulation for plex left the game.
Reason : Skill Injectors
He did not sell his stock, but player of his size off the market change a lot.
Next is MBC - it is also founded from some people plex reserve.
Last is skill extractor/injector speculation - you can make much more isk on this, rather than on constantly raising plex price.
He probably just went to get a drink with his girlfriend...
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Anthar Thebess
1497
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Posted - 2016.04.15 07:26:22 -
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He was quite angry, that any one can come create character and buy skillpoints, but he did not crash plex price like he intended in first place, so who knows.
Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists
Show your support to The Cause!
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Jinto Rinn
Stratton Oakmont Trading
0
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Posted - 2016.04.15 16:20:53 -
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Well someone is crashing the market pretty hard. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
4826
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Posted - 2016.04.15 17:08:59 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:He was quite angry, that any one can come create character and buy skillpoints, but he did not crash plex price like he intended in first place, so who knows.
So he was an idiot.
Here is the thing, if you want to manipulate the price of something...don't put your own money at risk. Look to the Hunt brothers and learn from their foolishness.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
296
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Posted - 2016.04.15 18:50:30 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:He was quite angry, that any one can come create character and buy skillpoints, but he did not crash plex price like he intended in first place, so who knows. So he was an idiot. Here is the thing, if you want to manipulate the price of something...don't put your own money at risk. Look to the Hunt brothers and learn from their foolishness.
When the PLEx price goes down, the profit per unit lowers, but volume increases, because more people can buy more PLEx.
Since everyone now know that most older players have 2 or more accounts, one of which may not be active without a PLEx use to convert it to a 30 days pilot license extension of ingame time...
We could open a new thread for the spelling parts, if someone wants to hear it.
Perfect for , oh, war time?
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
99
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Posted - 2016.04.16 07:47:09 -
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Plex prices are going to tank for a little bit
https://i.imgur.com/gAVTe31.png |
u3pog
ministerstvo na otbranata
735
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Posted - 2016.04.16 18:42:48 -
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Yeah, I think that he/she is happy with the current prices and has 10 days to collect before the release of "Citadels" . In the o7 show there was a financial report, according to which after the release, PLEX might reach 1.2 bil mark...200 Billion ISK, not a bad profit. Of course we all have our hangars full, waiting...for the force to be awaken.  |
u3pog
ministerstvo na otbranata
735
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Posted - 2016.04.16 18:43:48 -
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Double post. |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2016.04.16 18:54:29 -
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That's a buy order not a sell order. Why would prices tank?
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Cixi
39
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Posted - 2016.04.16 20:21:19 -
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u3pog wrote:Yeah, I think that he/she is happy with the current prices and has 10 days to collect before the release of "Citadels" . In the o7 show there was a financial report, according to which after the release, PLEX might reach 1.2 bil mark...200 Billion ISK, not a bad profit. Of course we all have our hangars full, waiting...for the force to be awaken.
What if the prices don't rise ? |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
297
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Posted - 2016.04.16 22:12:29 -
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u3pog wrote:Yeah, I think that he/she is happy with the ... ... , PLEX might reach 1.2 bil mark...200 Billion ISK, not a bad profit. ...
in parts of million per billion that is.
1,000 PLExes at the 1.2 mark (or 100% of the past current stable plateau, after the back to school sale, not the usual subsequent CCP sales) = does equal to 200 Billion ISK.
1 billion ISK to 1.2 bil ISK = 200 million ISK.
'b' for an 'm' typo and you get a difference of 199,800,000,000 ISK (or 199.8 b ISK).
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
4829
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Posted - 2016.04.17 08:22:11 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:He was quite angry, that any one can come create character and buy skillpoints, but he did not crash plex price like he intended in first place, so who knows. So he was an idiot. Here is the thing, if you want to manipulate the price of something...don't put your own money at risk. Look to the Hunt brothers and learn from their foolishness. When the PLEx price goes down, the profit per unit lowers, but volume increases, because more people can buy more PLEx. Since everyone now know that most older players have 2 or more accounts, one of which may not be active without a PLEx use to convert it to a 30 days pilot license extension of ingame time... We could open a new thread for the spelling parts, if someone wants to hear it. Perfect for , oh, war time?
My point is I don't see how "manipulation" where you try to buy up lots of PLEX will work.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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General Muller
RpG-CONVICTS-FEDERATION
0
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Posted - 2016.04.17 09:55:56 -
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Alexi Stokov wrote:That's a buy order not a sell order. Why would prices tank?
With the release of Citadels it was stated very clearly that an immense fortune will be required to create these structures and as with any new feature it is all about who can achieve it first to control that very aspect, which means Mr. Visa is going to be extremely popular for that instant ISK, combined with high-roller players already stockpiling plex in assets for when they need to drop it.
The market will be flooded with supply resulting in the price to crash. |
Ria Nieyli
43701
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Posted - 2016.04.17 10:08:43 -
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General Muller wrote:Alexi Stokov wrote:That's a buy order not a sell order. Why would prices tank? With the release of Citadels it was stated very clearly that an immense fortune will be required to create these structures and as with any new feature it is all about who can achieve it first to control that very aspect, which means Mr. Visa is going to be extremely popular for that instant ISK, combined with high-roller players already stockpiling plex in assets for when they need to drop it. The market will be flooded with supply resulting in the price to crash.
The real reason is going to be the increased ISK sinks. Be it citadel BPOs or market taxes, there'll be a lot less free ISK ingame to hoard PLEX with after the patch.
"slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
308
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Posted - 2016.04.26 21:34:01 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:[quote=Buzz Orti]...
My point is I don't see how "manipulation" where you try to buy up lots of PLEX will work.
Manipulation is a term related to control.
If you buy a lot of PLEx with intent to manipulate the pricxe to either go up or down, or for other other purpose which one "manipulator" or another would control (yes, subcontracting is allowed in this kind of internet game, be it ISP contract or free wifi), one may intent to control part of the market in PLEx.
PLEx prices being what they are, I'm all but left out at this point.
I just earned my first PLEx ingame, from running incursion. I now have over 1.05b ISK left, and spent around 1 b more in the process.
So, I earned about 2b ISK income, and that would be enough for 2 PLEx time, except I had expenses to "get" the income.
I can still make 3b to 4b except again that Citadels come out today, which means more capital flow will go elsewhere, and my income risk to diminish yet again.
So, if you buy lots of PLEx low, and sell them high, how many PLEx do you need to make one PLEx worth?
I would say around 4 to 1, or 4 PLEx purchase sold buys you a 5th PLEx to reinvest in your PLEx manipulation capital.
That means that , once you have your first 5 PLEx from sales of PLExes, you can also sell that 5th PLEx and increase your capital.
So, you make around 20% profit on an item which is fairly high cost and value.
This ratio , of high value comparison , does go down with the new citadel even higher costs.
Nobody even knows the fuel cost, and the BluePrint are , I don't know how much or how many PLEx worth because I didn't check that yet.
So, if you buy 5 PLEx low, with the free profit 5th PLEx, and sell them high, you make 6.20 PLEx, or approximately 20% profit.
8 PLEx bought at that rate returns 10 PLEx worth, or 2 free PLEx.
40 PLEx earns 10 and 80, 20 for a new capital total of 100.
Except for an important detail, all the transaction is done exclusively in PLEx, for as long as the risk of exclusion works (instead of actually losing from exclusion).
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
736
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Posted - 2016.04.27 20:48:06 -
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I think someone doesn't want PLEX below 949 999 999.99 ISK...There must be 20K pieces in buy orders at that price. |
dawww
Custard Cowboys
1
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Posted - 2016.04.27 21:21:33 -
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CCP didn't want the volume of plex sales to fall with citadel bpos costing so much, no one has that sort of capital.
#conspiracy |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
308
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Posted - 2016.04.27 21:31:09 -
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u3pog wrote:I think someone doesn't want PLEX below 949 999 999.99 ISK...There must be 20K pieces in buy orders at that price.
20,000 / 20% = 20,000 x 0.20 = 4,000 PLExes x 949,999,999.99 ISK (or 949.9m ISK, or 0.949b ISK) =
The result is out of range.
= 37,999,999.996m ISK. (In supposed profit, way over the cost of a Citadel.)
= 37,999.99b ISK = 37.99T ISK, or enough for an XL Citadel + a Palatine / Palladium.
Also, it is extremely hard to conspire to do good.
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