That's gotta be the most original thing I've seen all day....

it might be, but my desire to have your "useless" stuff is definetly sincere and my feelings towards this is geniune.

Yes, destroying my enemies is content, while having no reason to avoid death removes content.

Some peoples minds can only see one step ahead. So for them the choice seems obvious, less clone cost equals more fun pvping. It is similar to the people who think the minerals they mine are free. Trying to make the understand the nuances of a change as you did above is like trying to get blood from a stone, ie they are never going to understand it.

Hopefully CCP will come to the right decision on their own.

A pod is by definition incapable of any offensive capabilties or loading any modules and is 100% designed to warp out and escape. I'm sure shooting a ship like that is glorious content to you.

I don't disagree, but obviously in this case CCP feels this is a type of content worth slaughtering in order to stimulate content generated by people undocking in ships.

What you personally feel enjoyment out of is very qualitative and not a good basis on its own for a discussion, wouldn't you agree?

It is very simplistic of you to claim that CCP only sees "one step ahead". I think the overwhelming number of people would argue that CCP is able to see many, many steps farther ahead than you possibly can. If you have an argument that doesn't utilize the hysterical "EVE is being EQ" or slippery slope exaggerations, feel free to offer them up.

I see the notion that this will encourage ppl to undock quite a bit in this thread, is it a valid assumption? Idk how much a rly high grade med clone costs, but from numbers Ive seen mentioned here, I think assuming 50M for the sake of argument is fair (feel free to correct me if wrong.) Is it even reasonable to think that 50M isk is any kind of hardship for someone with 100m SP? I think the whole argument is bogus.

For a significant number of people mining is more of an AFK activity than anything else in EVE. That, combined with a low SP barrier of entry allows some people to earn ISK while literally doing something IRL else at the same time.

To these people, the minerals they mine are free. As infuriating as that may seem to you, there is no other EVE activity they can participate in and earn ISK in the same manner.

Please explain to me how 100 mil SP earns money faster.
This is not WoW where higher levels make 1000000 times more gold.
This is EVE, once you are over about 10 Mil Sp unless you have put it into really odd places you should have access to one of the decent income methods. Once you have said income method, things don't really improve much from there for 99.9% of players.

You are only looking at it from a defender's or loser's point of view. From an attacker's or winner's point of view, podding someone and having them have a penalty for loss makes perfect sense. You want to inflict damage on your enemy so you pod them knowing they have to buy a new clone (or lose SP). Every battle has a winner and a loser, which means there is always a side in every battle that can benefit from podding someone and making them pay for a clone. You can also chose to ransom them or let them go and not inflict that damage.

Under the new rules it would be advantageous punish someone by not podding them and making them fly all the way back from wherever they came from to get a new ship. Except oh wait! since pods are free they can just self destruct and get a free ride home anyway.

So under the new rules, you are taking choice away from the winner/attacker. Now the winner has no choice to A) kill the pod to do more damage. B) ransom the pod because they want to save their clone, or c) let them go. Under the new rules they get a free ride home no matter what.

And before you go on about implants. Really look at how many pods actually have implants in null. The vast majority of pods I have killed have no implants , which taking away medical clones will not change (not perfect statistical analysis I know, but I have podded a lot of people). Most pods that DO have implants are very cheap ones worth only a few mil. Then there is the rare pod worth a lot. So from the attacker's standpoint, for the majority of pods with no implants, you at least know you did some damage to them either by some isk or annoyance. For the ones that have implants, you know they can afford the loss.

Please explain to me how 100 mil SP earns money faster.
This is not WoW where higher levels make 1000000 times more gold.
This is EVE, once you are over about 10 Mil Sp unless you have put it into really odd places you should have access to one of the decent income methods. Once you have said income method, things don't really improve much from there for 99.9% of players.

Are you going to ransom them for the paltry sum of somewhat less than what their clone is actually worth? Because From the sounds of it, those are simply choices of "Do i want to be this kind of *******, or...."

If you really wanted to ransom them, you would have ransomed them long before you blew up their ship. Because their ship is where the real money is at. That fully meta 5 nightmare is what truly needed to be gone, the podding is just that tiny treat of "I'm such a jerk" that comes with it. But you aren't going to ransom them for what.... less than 5 mil worth of isk? Unless they are a super vet the pay out you'd be getting would be ****, if they even paid out. 5 isn't very much. The whole point of them removing it was "When people start asking for a mechanic to be automatic, thats when you know there is an issue."

people weren't really even complaining about clone costs [ which get ridiculous once you get into the 60,000,000 sp range by the way. I cringe at the thought that one day my lambda grade will have to be switched for an Rho grade. My poor wallet.] they were complaining about the fact that it didn't feel like there was any option but for you to pay for those clone costs. Even on the side of the attacker, that person you are shooting has no choice, NONE, as to whether that person should upgrade their clone or not. not upgrading your clone is the equivelant of being suicidal in EVE.

Seriously, if someone told you a story of a time they got podded, and one of their lines was "I was so pissed off I didn't even upgrade my clone" Tell me you wouldn't look at that person as if they were psychotic.

Do I understand where you are coming from? Sure. From the attacking point of view, it does add the savory sweetness of seasoning to the already present isk tears that your opponent is crying. But at the end of the day, all it is is annoying. I'm more annoyed at the fact that you blew up my fully fitted megathron. I sure can't wait to come out and kill yo-OH **** *hurries back to station*

Edit: I see it as clones being a lot like quick time events in games like modern warfare. Can you choose to not do the quick time event? Sure. But if you don't do the quick time event, you won't win the game so....

I don't really care about the money either, what I care about is taking away a penalty for being podded altogether. If having people buy a new clone is not the way to go, then fine. But don't remove the clones until a new mechanic that's better is made to replace it. Removing it altogether without something to replace it is worse than leaving it alone and doing nothing. At least with clones, we have choice on one side of the equation. Taking them away completely removes choice and gameplay from both sides.

Following the logic of most of this thread....

It is annoying and painful to have to train all these skills to fly T2 ships...lets just delete the skill requirements for all T2 ships/modules, after all, that's the only way to make it fair for the new players who don't have as many skill-points as the old players.

Next it will be implants restored on death, then finally you'll get your ship restored back in the hanger.

There'll be no point undocking in it as won't be able to do your enemies any harm.

If there's no loss there's no game.

Next they'll remove explosions because its too graphic.

In fact they'll remove any rendering what so ever because being shot by guns is too scary.

Then they'll remove the spread sheets because thats too complicated.

Then they'll remove gates and make it so that in order to go from one system to the next you just type in the name and teleport, keeping the game gank free.

Clearly that's the next logical step.

So for this change, i begged ccp for it.
- to punish older players with higher costs to play thier game is silly
- to take away cheap fun pvp with 70 mill clone cost for a cruiser loss is silly
- sp hit isnt needed to punish esepcially new players

This is not the end, its a first quick fix. Ships without fittings might be a clone wihtout implant or other attributes in the future

+ 1 for ccp again in a year with most changes ever!

So for this change, i begged ccp for it.
- to punish older players with higher costs to play thier game is silly
- to take away cheap fun pvp with 70 mill clone cost for a cruiser loss is silly
- sp hit isnt needed to punish esepcially new players

This is not the end, its a first quick fix. Ships without fittings might be a clone wihtout implant or other attributes in the future

+ 1 for ccp again in a year with most changes ever!

So for this change, i begged ccp for it.
- to punish older players with higher costs to play thier game is silly
- to take away cheap fun pvp with 70 mill clone cost for a cruiser loss is silly
- sp hit isnt needed to punish esepcially new players

This is not the end, its a first quick fix. Ships without fittings might be a clone wihtout implant or other attributes in the future

+ 1 for ccp again in a year with most changes ever!