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Radeberger
Caldari Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.13 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Radeberger on 13/09/2006 12:28:29 Grr.... i hate this too.... CCP pull your act together, this lag is unbearable... Throw those useless "YARRSTERS" out of the threadmill and let oveur take it over. Rodent Powa (TM) is not enough for this we need Beer Powa (TM).
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Don Mavro
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Posted - 2006.09.13 15:55:00 -
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/me signed. Fix this damn lag!!!
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Uncarian
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Posted - 2006.09.13 16:10:00 -
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I agree, haven't played this game since before the summer vacation. Then it was okay, except abit laggy on sunday evenings. Now I notice its bollox laggy all the time, regardless. No need to boast about 30k users at the same time, when all they can do is sit in their spaceships and look at the sun.
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Francis Hemlock
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Posted - 2006.09.13 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Grez I have no lag down in Stain ... Or anywhere else for that matter, maybe you should stay off contested nodes...
Thats a load of crap! I'm in your area and I can tell you that as more people log in on the US side the lag gets worse. I try to play in the AM CST as by Evening CST it really sucks, and yesterday I counted a whole 6 people in my system.
I'm sure that you posted what you did in order to sound more superior than others, but in the long run all you did was sound like a Dee Dee Dee.....
BTW: I have been playing WOW for over a year now, more Bandwith intensive, more CPU intensive and more graphic Intensive, with no issues at all. This lag issue is due to a extensive usage of system CPU due to poor codeing. I have watched my CPU stay at 100% and the lag is due to additional CPU usage needed and my system cannot provide it at that second. Kinda sucks since I have a 3G Processor....
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Shadowpawn
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Posted - 2006.09.13 17:09:00 -
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ok an update on my status .
THEY have replaced my Brutix petition dated 8/26/06 finally this am . I have not checked if they replaced the items too yet since they say SOME of the mods and items on board the ship may be permantly lost and they took back the insurance money , so I very well may be in the hole isk right now .
Now Im waiting on my petition dated 9/10 for a Brutix and a retreiver lost during a nice lag-warp death scene.
And I will not be turning on either account until I hear from yall the lag issue is fix and game can be played.
Shads
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Synderella
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Posted - 2006.09.13 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Synderella on 13/09/2006 19:18:53 More lag means less people risking running missions/ratting/PVP. Their income suffers as a result. High-profile rare module loot drops dry up on the market.
Less missions/ratting/PVP means less people are losing ships. Lower ship loses means that sellers suddenly have the rug pulled out from underneath them and are forced to watch inventory pile up and cut each other's throats in desperation to try to sell. When that fails, they stop buying minerals or start paying a lot less because they have huge stockpiles that they can't move. Manufacturers suffer too.
No/lower mineral purchases means miners aren't getting paid, or are getting a lot less ISK than normal, hurting them also.
etc,etc,etc
So, CCP, this lag is doing more than just annoying some people, I'm actually seeing it hurt the in-game economy, mainly my shipbuilding business, but also other manufacturers as well and miners. If it gets worse or more people just get fed up and quit over the lagfest that is "Dragon", the market is going to suffer even worse than it seems to be right now and people like me are going to get fed up and stop manufacturing/mining.
I'm not trying to whine, just point out that situations like this have a cascading effect on people that don't do intensive activities like combat and thus aren't as impacted by the current problems. It hurts EVERYONE.
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4rc4ng3L
Gallente DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.13 21:24:00 -
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Signed!
Agree with most of the above. I love eve, dont get me wrong... but these issues need to be addressed. Its the first time ever in all my eve time that i feel sometimes id rather not be playing because of it.
I understand that its not easy work for you to sort it all out and easily fix all the bugs, so im not complaining, just voicing a concern...
Make my eve healthy again
Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live... |
Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.13 22:37:00 -
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My favorite thing about the dev blogs was people were *****ing about fixing the game stability-wise before adding content or ****ing with the coding. The response: "We're ****ing with everything in order to fix everything! Duh!" So they implement dragon, and it introduces bugs left and right, and virtually destroys playability.... and there's no roll back, OR acknowledgement that Dragon screwed up the game. And to those that consider a "We want to reply to all the posts, but we don't because not everyone reads the forums" to be a valid response to our complaints.... they could be referring to any one of numerous posts. Not to mention it's flawed logic. Not everyone reads the forums, but everyone reads the dev blogs? Hardly. A real acknowledgement would be a news item. EVERYONE sees those, whether they read them in depth or not.
I don't understand why a lot of these companies have such problems acknowledging their mistakes. They have HORRIBLE PR. Like SOE/SWG. MOST of the player base left after their NGE a year ago, and now (too little, too late) they're starting to feed back in some of the features they got rid of in the name of "fun" back then.
CCP seems to think that by ignoring the problem long enough, people will forget there's lag. We won't. We'll 'forget' to renew our subs. All that would have to happen would be for them to say "Hey, we're completely aware of the lag/playability issues people are having, and we're working on it. If we can't clear it up or make it better in a few weeks, then we'll roll it back and try again later once we clean up the code." But it's almost like they're refuisng to admit to any mistakes they have made, which is really unfortunate, because we all know there are now myriad issues introduced in this new code that didn't exist before.
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Edu Journeyman
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:59:00 -
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This is what happened few minutes ago:
When I realized that the lag whas already in effect, after, maybe, 5 seconds, I started to try to activate my shield booster... I was doing Guristas Spies Lvl 4, BTW:
2006.09.14 00:19:56 Notify An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed. 2006.09.14 00:20:04 Notify An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed. 2006.09.14 00:20:11 Notify An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed.
Note that were 15 seconds (in the Log, more other 5 till I started to try)...
I'm wondering why the Devs or any of CCP staff still ignore all these posts and threads... remind me of an MMO I was playing that was sold for a big company and almost half of the player base quit in that process of being ignored, was a free MMO, BTW, will not name it here cuz I think is not allowed, but some of the players guessed wich one I'm talking about.
About the options of the Devs not reading the posts, I can assure they are reading and replying, just look any other thread that is not related with this critical issues we are all suffering.
Still waiting, not playing, but waiting...
Be your journeys long and prosperous. Treat the others as you like to be treated. Rude and fool are enemies. |
Cown
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.14 06:00:00 -
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CCP dont make me come to that Fanfest and annoy you by asking about the lag all the time
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Niraco79
Gallente Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.09.14 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Niraco79 on 14/09/2006 06:41:55 /signed
They forgot the KISS rule : Keep It Stupid Simple!
each new customer add not 1 new operation on server side but the growth is exponential. So I really think the problems reside in code and database transfers limitations.
Simplify the database. Start with POS code (why is lag when load an empty POS - what is wrong with code there - especially when pos has hardeners or EW structure), continue with Boomarks (we really don`t need them in grids, ss bm`s could remain - every 0.0 char has the gate to gate bm or have a mwd frig - just put limitations on autopilot no autopilot at 0km warp). These 2 and u will make database much cleaner. ________________ THE MEGA NOOB |
Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2006.09.14 07:11:00 -
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I'm also signing on to this.
And folks, there are ways to get CCP's attention politely and without quitting the game forever.
Here's an idea: Every person who feels strongly about this issue should add a line to their sig that reads something like this: "CCP: Until the present raft of serious bugs is addressed, please commit to a daily update of the MOTD listing what is being done to address these issues." If enogh people constantly, politely, and firmly request more information, I think CCP will get the idea. This has the additional benefit of allowing you to not feel silly when you threaten to quit the game even though you don't intend to; or, worse, hurting CCP by actually quitting the game.
On a more topical note: I have an interesting new client bug: occasionally, posts by other players in local or in the corp chat room cuase my client to minimize to the taskbar. How does that even happen?
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DOGNOSH
Minmatar SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2006.09.14 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kernel Sander
On a more topical note: I have an interesting new client bug: occasionally, posts by other players in local or in the corp chat room cuase my client to minimize to the taskbar. How does that even happen?
wierd,me too,but it only ever happens once after i log on,and i can never tell why
mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH
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Ereshkigali
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Posted - 2006.09.14 12:07:00 -
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/signed
Originally by: Cown CCP dont make me come to that Fanfest and annoy you by asking about the lag all the time
hey... now you've got a good idea there.... what's a party without a little 'mixin it up'? only $79 USD?
/me ponders
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Zibun Ionic
Minmatar Cloaca Maxima
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Posted - 2006.09.14 13:12:00 -
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/signed
Well, client keeps crashing, server keeps crashing, no answers to petitions and helluva more of freaking annoying things.
If ANY of above isn't fixed by the end of the week, suscription cancelled for me.
-v
Cloaca Maxima - The Sewage of Amarr Empire. |
Taedrin
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Posted - 2006.09.14 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Francis Hemlock
BTW: I have been playing WOW for over a year now, more Bandwith intensive, more CPU intensive and more graphic Intensive, with no issues at all. This lag issue is due to a extensive usage of system CPU due to poor codeing. I have watched my CPU stay at 100% and the lag is due to additional CPU usage needed and my system cannot provide it at that second. Kinda sucks since I have a 3G Processor....
I heard that EVE always uses up all remaining CPU cycles, no matter how good your system is. AFAIK this is either because they don't but a limit to the number of frames that the client draws per second (the game always runs as fast as it can), or perhaps they are running a SETI@home client hidden inside the main EVE executable (or someother parallel computing application). Who knows.
Anyways, on to the main problem at hand. I can personally say that I have never experienced this sort of lag in the past few months. Also, I don't hear people in my corp or local chat complaining about lag either. Therefore this is not a server-wide issue. Therefore it goes to say that it is not true when you make the claim that EVERYONE is experiencing this lag, or even that more than 50% of all players are experiencing this lag. However, it is obvious that a very large portion of the player base is effected by this lag. What I'm trying to say here, is to please not blow the problem out of proportion - its a big problem, but it's not server-wide.
The lag seems to be concentrated in certain nodes. Furthermore, it seems to me that all the reports of the lag seem to indicate that NPC ships are having no problem locking on to players, and dealing damage to said players. This suggests that the problem is with the client sending data to the server, and the server recieving this data correctly. So this means that there are a few obvious solutions:
- CCP could rebalance which systems are hosted by which nodes, or perhaps rework to algorithm which chooses which systems are handled by which nodes to help balance the lag all out.
- CCP could give up on the idea of having the entire game hosted on a single shard. Build a server in the US, and force the US players to use the US server. Smaller, more numerous servers are also probably much more cost effective than just using one really BIG server.
- CCP could trouble shoot connections. Try to find out where the packet loss/bottleneck is. Is it a hardware problem? Or a software problem? Perhaps the congested nodes aren't spending enough CPU cycles for catching and processing data packets?
- CCP could do nothing, and wait for enough players to leave to lessen the load on the server
I myself would probably prefer the first and third options, but I suppose the 4th option would be OK by me too if CCP *really* wanted to do that...
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Don Mavro
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Posted - 2006.09.14 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
- CCP could rebalance which systems are hosted by which nodes, or perhaps rework to algorithm which chooses which systems are handled by which nodes to help balance the lag all out.
They use static allocation of nodes after dt.
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XXJackXX
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Posted - 2006.09.14 14:57:00 -
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this is really nice game till u push undock button then starts that really bad lag.i'm paying to play this game but if this'll happen like this why im paying
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tinkerrrr
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Posted - 2006.09.14 16:11:00 -
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ops all these posts of mine and not one /signed!
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zeus78
Bravehearts
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Posted - 2006.09.14 18:02:00 -
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Ok I for one am shocked that CCP has not replyed back yet. In the 2 years I have been playing this I have only had 1 thing bad to say about CCP and that was a nerf. But I agree with everyone the lag is so bad I hardly want to play. STOP with the content updates and just stream line the game. Not sure about everone else but I rather play the game then go "OOOOO look at the new stuff.....CRASH". It is bad when it takes alot of client hardware to off set some of the lag.
My 2 cents
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codemaster28
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.14 18:47:00 -
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I have to agree with all the posters in this topic about the lag & lack of ccp doing anything about it. Yes well done ccp you have managed to get 30k users online at onetime but what about the other side of the coin
Players lagging 20+ seconds Client crashes Unplayable missions Lowest fps (frames per second) MMO No duelcore cpu support No Sli support Is there any support
I do hope ccp is reading this next part
My pc system specs :- Mobo = Abit AN8 x32 sli CPU = AMD X2 4800+ MEM = Corsair PC3500LL Pro Graphics = 2x BFG 7900GT oc (in sli) HDD = WD raptor 150GB
Total cost = ú2100 (when built)
Now im no stranger to pc parts / connections / overclocking / etc , but eve-online is the slowest & lag infested game since the new patches. I can play F.E.A.R , BF2 , Oblivion , X2 reunion , Far Cry , TOCA 3 , and pretty much any other highend graphical game without any problem. connection issues since patch. low fps Yes i understand that 30k users on any cluster will cause lag, this is only to be expected but the lag isnt the only issue eve is having, dont believe me go check out the other posts people have put up and judge for yourself. So far i have lost an astarte to a lvl 4 mission with a friend using my alt account and yes i petitioned it and no reply yet from ccp. I now refuse to do any lvl 4 missions while there are over 20k users online at once due to delays / lag / connection drops (server boots).
Iam starting to wonder if ccp care about its player base opinions anymore or are they just worried about how much money they make, 7 pages in this thread and still no reply from a ISD or DEV, kinda makes you wonder doesnt it
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Mordoc
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.14 19:53:00 -
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signed
Incoming fire always has the right of way. |
DDemon
The Order of Chivalry
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Posted - 2006.09.14 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: DDemon on 14/09/2006 20:01:01 I also aint doing any lvl 4 missions right now, As I do not want to loose another ship to lag and get another Destroyer reimbursed instead of the BS I lost... tbh, I have been sat docked for the past few weeks chatting in corp chat/local, And logged shortly after again in hopes it would be better the next day... well.. it wasnt.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.09.14 22:49:00 -
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Game is unplayable now. I tried to run some missions in Tamo but with modules activate time around 20s it's very dangerous and annoying. Docking/undocking takes ages (about minute).
Add to this problems introduced by last patch (many bugs, poor FPS - much worse than before) and for a first time in my almost 2 years EVE history I am considering giving this game a break. Maybe I should start some long skill and check after a month or two if things improved. Maybe after Kali...
CCP, you should consider stopping Kali deployment/developmnent and sort this lag and bugs. You can't tell people to wait for Kali. Well, unless you are going to stop charging us for the whole time to Kali release.
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Dyner
Minmatar M3rcs Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.14 23:43:00 -
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i surmise the lag is due to the servers reaching their limits; CCP may want to get additional servers as the player bases increases ---------------------------------------------------
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Nathanial Victor
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Posted - 2006.09.14 23:48:00 -
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almost 7 thousand views to this thread.
"you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink"
you = us
horse = CCP
water = development priorities
drink = fix our fraking game!!!!!
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Nathanial Victor
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Posted - 2006.09.14 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dyner i surmise the lag is due to the servers reaching their limits; CCP may want to get additional servers as the player bases increases
maybe they shipped half the servers to asia
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Timura
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Posted - 2006.09.15 04:11:00 -
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LOL!! The Part i especially like, is the complete LACK of any response to this now 7-Page Thread...
CCP, Not only is your game becoming so unplayable that it's not worth my money, but your customer service, frankly, sucks...
I've been playing this game since Late beta (off and on), and i can HONESTLY say, that lately, i've been getting the vibe, that you don't care about your player base...and if that's the case, i'd wish you just come out and say it, so i can stop wasting my money and time on your product...
Let me put it in terms you might understand: Say you walk into a restraunt, and you order something. It comes out to 1 and a half hours after you ordered it AND its all frozen still....cept the Corn, it's luke warm.
NOW you wanna complain...but Low and behold, your server....isn't anywhere to be found (Forum Devs). But say you FINALLY get someone, and this what they say "The Oven is probably under cooking things, but rather than looking into it or maybe getting someone to fix it, we're just going to build one of our own, and hope it works right. In the meantime, just keep coming back and hope that one of the times, it'll be working." ....would you pay? Would you come back? i wouldn't....and i WON"T not anymore...
It took 30seconds to FIRE a missile today in my mission, just one missile. After waiting for my shield booster to FINALLY kick in...i decided to try and start warping out earlier (i'm a quick learner). But what's this? I CAN"T GET MY NAV MENU UP. So there i am....STILL waiting for my booster to kick on while my armor is getting drilled into...I managed to warp out finally with 17% of my armor left....and i think i got maybe 2 or 3 rounds of missiles off?
FIX IT
Sorry for the long winded rant, but this is crap.
CCP, FIX CURRENT PROBLEMS BEFORE ADDING MORE OF THEM. Don't expect this game to last too much longer...Also, HIRE NEW WEB DEVS I want a GOOD reason why a 7-page Thread hasn't been answered by anyone....has it even been looked at? i think not. PAY ATTENTION TO US Not just US as in this post, but US as in the people PAYING you for an product that's been half assed. Fix your Login Problem with the test server so people can actually get in there and maybe HELP?
If this is how you plan on running your game, i can PROMISE you, The people in this thread won't be the only ones to leave....I'm curious how many people have already given up. If this isn't corrected soon, I'll take my money elsewhere.
Sorry for the Horrible grammer, but i'm too mad to care at this point.
If you feel like ranting to someone, rant to me thru Eve-Mail, i honestly don't mind, unlike certain people you can be sure i'll actually read it.
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Oshir
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Posted - 2006.09.15 08:20:00 -
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This new patch is outrageous..all above statements are on the money. Since the patch i start playing again and all i can say is wtf...Why The Frustration...i start to create a new char and the server crashes...not only does it crash but i cant get into my account for 5 days...and then when i finally do everytime i dock/undock ,jump through a gate, sneeze or blink i lose connection ....and when i try to reconnect it teases me by going to the end of the character load bar and then crashes...8 times!!...urg...problems problems...its ridonkulus...and this is only my first couple weeks of playing....my petitions go unanswered or are repiled with "duuuuh delete the cache duuuh". i just read all 7 pages of this post cause i cant get back on to my account..and i hear ppl talk about "boohoo these things happen..they'll fix it..give them sometime...if not play another game".......are you serious..ppl have invested years of time into this game...its not so easy to just give it up cause the lag is bad..and just waiting till this is fixed by setting a long skill doesnt help...do you think they care...one less player online...one less voice on this forum..but still another dollar in the pocket cause you're still paying for this "service"...FIX IT!...if i wanted to pay $15 a month to get angry id join an mmog when a patch comes out that ruins the game.....wait...i did!...and now all im paying for is unanswered patience and the patches of hair ive torn out of my head are irreplacable...if this continues , cancellation is my only option
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Tjarish
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.15 09:47:00 -
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signet ______________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward.
Whoever cannot take care of imself without that law is both.
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