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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.09 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Motoko on 09/09/2006 16:09:27 Ok, while I'm sure at the moment the CCP team is sitting back and thinking, 'Hooray, the server is currently up and working properly', some of us are getting serious reason to differ. I just felt I had to write about what just happened to me, since I haven't seen nearly enough complaints on this in the forum compared to what I see and hear from people in-game.
I just tried an L4 Pirate Invasion; I warp over, trigger the gate. My hardeners take 4-5 seconds to activate, but that isn't so bad.
Ok, so I start destroying the first group that auto-aggros me. My launchers take 5-10 seconds to activate; not brilliant, but bearable. A few cruisers go down. The auto-aggro group sends a few frigates, so I release my medium drones and send them after one. Four or five minutes later, and after repeating the command a fair few times, my drones are still not bothering to target the specific frigate I selected, but are picking their own. Handy that.
Inevitably, I then need to shield boost, so I hit the module. After about 10 seconds it activates, and then shuts down immediately once orders. That would be alright, but within the space of 3 or 4 activations, it then takes 20 seconds or more to activate. Bit worrying, right?
My thoughts at this point are, 'to hell with this', so I order my ship to align to a beacon in preparation for my warping out. My drones are a lost cause - they still haven't attacked that frigate target, and now certainly won't return to me. I order a warp when aligned properly and wait. Over 30-40 seconds pass before my ship actually goes to warp. Pretty good thing I decided to warp early before my ship actually needed to get out of there.
Now...where am I? Some system with hundreds of players in local? Jita? Rens? No, I was in Aramachi, with about 55-60 players in local at the time. There were about 21000 online at the time server-wide.
Aha, I hear CCP say,'You must have a slow connection or low specification pc'. Aha, I say - I use high speed broadband and a pc which far outstrips the system requirements of eve, plus I was running nothing else apart from eve, and no other computer was using my conn. via a network etc.
This is not some isolated incident, but has been happening to myself, and others I know for weeks. It's getting steadily worse as CCP introduce each new patch.
Please CCP, try and tell me that this is down to me, and not a serious problem server side. Now, I like eve - I have a good corp and friends on eve, but try to tell me that you're giving me a service worthy of what I've paid for my subscription.
Stop boasting about your 30000 players online a one time, and start trying to improve the quality of gameplay of those subscribers that you have rather than trying to get more or people will begin to stop playing. In plenty of places, the lag was ridiculous on the night of the 30k players, and eve was only really playable once it had dropped down below 25k from my point of view.
Anyhow, rant over. Pick holes as you wish.
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Motoko on 09/09/2006 16:08:15 I just pulled this from Aramachi local after posting the above rant. (Local's jumped to the shock-horrer count of 74.)
[15:52:23] Deandra Laan > damn, lag in this system is bad [15:52:40] JamesTalon > lag is bad everywhere [15:53:13] Sue Malorie > I asked Coffecup in a polite way if there is something that could be done... no answer. [16:00:23] Ohmy Fugod > yah lag's just been getting worse after the last patches [16:01:31] Sue Malorie > yup... this is a nice solar system so it would be bad if this area is not possbile to do missions etc...
I think the phrase I'm looking for is 'I rest my case'
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Manja
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:07:00 -
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I have to agree with what Dark is trying to say here. For the past couple of weeks i have had the same experience and i have lost ships to it aswell, but they have been reimburst, so thats no problem.
I think its great that we have had over 30k players online at one time but we have to think further and ask ourselfs if the server really can handle it? IMO it havnt been all that great tbh.
I would also like to see CCP maybe take this infront of them and discuss it because this is a very serious thing.
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NurofenMiner
Amarr Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:16:00 -
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Never a truer post has been made. For me ever since the server side patch was applied the games update speed has been appauling. I often wait at least 5 timed seconds for modules to activate, and I run missions in the quiet time when there's less than 15k people on.
I have noticed that certain systems seem to be more effected than others, and on my travels have been in systems where things were working swiftly having hardly any issues. Sadly I dont have any mission agents there otherwise I would move in a heartbeat. For the moment I am stuck in thashkarai (tash murkon).
I have seen certain posters say, 'its client side I haven't had any issues therefore its all in your head', my response to this is since the patch the vast majority of people I speak with in game have noticed a reduced quality game experience, more disconnects, increased lag, more bugs. It cant be in all our heads now can it? It would be nice to see CCP acknowledge the issue and actually show that they are working on it, and are pulling there fingers out. surely they must be aware of the situation (I hope). At the very least get them to concentrate on fixing things rather than adding to the borkage!
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M'dali
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:21:00 -
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You all are mentioning lags of 15 - 20 seconds. That's true for this afternoon - after the DC I had (reported due to a node crash) - Before that DC, I was having module activation times of 2 minutes or more.
I was eventually able to complete my mission - a short, easy one, thankfully and then decide to spend my time doing other things than waiting 45 second or more for loot cans to open.
And just in case people wonder, this is the same computer I have been playing Eve with for the last year and I am quite familiar with what I can do on my end to resolve certain issues.
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Ohmy Fugod
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:28:00 -
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I so sadly have to totally concur with the OP.
It's not just an overnight issue, but actually getting worse with each day. Really worse.
At first I thought it was my isp and was ready to set 'em on fire. Then I realized people slowly started to complain in corp or local chat.
Now, some days after the first issues people is complaining left and right about the lag just growing to epic proportions.
All of this started slowly ever since the OS patch. That one where older Windows versions stopped being a viable EVE platform. After that it just kept growing.
And before that patch, I never had lag issues, much less disconnects. Even in Jita during a busy day, things ran a bit choppy, but more than acceptable nonetheless.
However right now it's really, really gone beyond tolerable.
Weird thing is, I play in Aramachi mostly, just as the OP. Which doesn't happen to be a busy system at all. But the same thing's been happening everywhere else. Jita now became impossible to step into.
Also, I play mostly during weekdays, where the record amount of players must've been around 22k. Usually around 15-18k. So it doesn't seem to be related to the player or system population.
Anyway, hope you devs can do something about this, it's just getting worse by the day and it's certainly something to take care of in a mmorpg. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Quod Natura non da, Salamantica non praesta |
Mordoc
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:29:00 -
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Agreed, This game has become completely unplayable over the last few weeks. CCP you really need to get the code worked out to rid this lag before introducing ANYTHING else. I have multiple accounts and as far as im concerned YOU owe me RL money for not providing the service I pay for. I do my part, pay each and every month for each account, but CCP is not doing thier part. I do understand that a game like this is a huge task, BUT over the last few months of playing it has become worse and worse as we are led to believe these patches are for our benifet. Well so far as Im concerned this game blows now because you CANNOT do anything.
End Rant
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Motoko on 09/09/2006 16:33:59 Agreed, sitting in a station or in space doing nothing but debating the awful quality of gameplay with others is not what I paid ú70 for a few weeks ago.
I would much rather have not had to make this post and instead be doing missions right now.
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Toman Torax
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:38:00 -
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Dear CCP,
The lag is causing the game to become unplayable. This is happening more and more often, recently. It is starting to seem there are more laggy days than playable days, now.
I am becoming increasingly frustrated trying to play through this. If it continues like this, I will consider cancelling my subscription.
Please make fixing the lag a priority, as I am not the only one frustrated by this lag, and not the only one considering taking my money elsewhere.
And an HONEST response to this would be most appreciated. Not "go do missions in another system" or some other silly suggestion. That doesn't fix the problem.
Please, dear CCP, fix this game that we all love. Pretty please.
Thank you.
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Bodestone
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:48:00 -
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Was chatting with some of the posters on this topic and thought what we need is a control subject.
I had been running missions, some with numerous NPCs, in Paara with absolutely no problems.
I decided to take a trip to Aramachi and see for myself. Even getting close it was starting to take a while for the autopilot to approach gates and the MWD to kick in. Once in Aramachi I just bummed about between stations and gates for a while and was getting 2-5 second delays on module activation. Not good considering that was without the additional load of numerous NPC actions to cope with.
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Delenarious
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:53:00 -
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Ive been playing on and off since 2003, and the lag is worse than ever. It is unplayable on the weekends and doing a mission is like asking for a ticket for a ship refund 14 days later. It's too risky. Aramachi has more lag than Jita, and we aren't just loitering around, and we aren't 400, we are 60 mission runners tops. Give us dedicated hardware since every other solution has done 0 to improve lag.
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RoCkEt X
Caldari The Order of Chivalry
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:58:00 -
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Well, dark motoko is certainly right, i have experienced a lag on modules of up to 3 mins in aramachi, not good.
as we all know when you lock a target, you get like little pulsing arrows arround the target with a countdown in the form of a bar. when the bar reaches 0.00 seconds the target is locked, right??, well no, the arrows kept doing thier thing, the bar had gone, and the lines you get across the screen so that you can tell where the target is were there, but it wasnt locked. after about 5mins it finally locked. this was a relief but i managed to sort it out.
the odd thing was today i started a guristas extravaganza (lvl 4) which i was expecting to take 3 hours. So after a while a finished the 3rd stage. so i warps into 4th stage, ZOMG! the server node goes or whatever, i lose my connection, come back and scratch my head for 2 minutes, a short while after my entire mission respawned, meaning i had to start over. i was thinking, ok more bounty isk for me, but then it happened twice more and just wasnt funny any more. it took me 9 hours to complete my mission, so i lost my bonus. ok big deal, 1.5mil not alot to me, but every little bit counts to saving up for buying the final skills for my carrier (which are completely out of order because the ship costs less than the skills required to fly it)
all of the lag issues seem to be worse in aramachi.
it is very worrying, and i can predict that you will be recieving many petitions about people who have lost thier ships due to lag. they will all be angry and annoyed because the loss of thier ship was no fault of thier own. So would it be good for both parties (players and CCP) if somehow we worked out why aramachi is so badly affected and combated the problem.
Cheerz -RoCkEt X -Divisional director -The Order Of Chivalry
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Loch Alpha
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Posted - 2006.09.09 17:04:00 -
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These fine people have pretty much expressed my concerns with the game at the moment. Every time I sign on I wonder why I continue to pay for the service. I just wanted to toss in my two cents, there's definately a problem, and it needs to be fixed before you guys quickly lose a large quantity of veteran players. I for one am real tired of losing battleships to server troubles.
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Ohmy Fugod
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Posted - 2006.09.09 18:05:00 -
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Oh I wish so much the problem would be just Aramachi.
Unfortunately I've been experiencing it not only there, but anywhere else I visited, including Saila, usually-deserted-Oichiya, Motsu, Muvolainen, Sobaseki, and of course Jita.
It translates into delays of many sorts for pretty much everything, with chat room usage probably being the less affected. But warp activation, module operations, targetting, jumpgate and accel gate activation, the whole station interface, like the missions or industry panels, market window, every single People and Places tab, not just the bookmarks one, all of it suffers greatly from this problem.
So deeply hope no one at CCP ends up believing it's just about moving an agent around or whatnot. This is clearly something that has been introduced with the last important patch
And trust me, lag it's by far the most important problem for an mmog. Well you guys know this already.
I truly hope you're aware of this issue and working on it. Because it's wearing down peeps patience -including mine- way too fast. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Quod Natura non da, Salamantica non praesta |
Leilani Solaris
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.09 18:11:00 -
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Known Issue: Lag Workaround: Better Server that can actually cope with 30k people.
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ericAmerica
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Posted - 2006.09.09 18:53:00 -
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Agreed. unplayable in every system. getting worse.
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tinkerrrr
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Posted - 2006.09.09 20:06:00 -
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yes i agree in the last year the lag has just gotten worse and worse
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CamelKnight III
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.09 20:39:00 -
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This is really starting to annoy me. I'm not one to whine quickly. I usually have no trouble with Eve and for the 2+ years I've been here, I've had loads of fun playing this awesome game. For which I thank CCP.
But the last few weeks, after the Dragon code branche update, things have taken a turn for the worse. As I recall CCP told us the Dragon code should remove bugs, make the game faster and more stable. Nothing of it all. I've noticed more and more bugs, have experienced lag which make it unbearable to play and have experienced more server and node crashes in the last two weeks then in the 4 months before. It annoys me. No, it saddens me and makes me angry! I pay for this game. But the last week, lag has been so bad that I just logged out and played different games! Eventhough I was in a system with only 2 other players in deep 0.0 space, I was still getting enormous lag. When I set my autopilot to fly to Misaba, 8 jumps from my current space, it showed 3(!!) traffic advisory's! 3!!! I'm used to playing up to 3-4 a.m. in the weekends, 1-2 a.m. on weekdays. It's half past 10 p.m. now and I stopped because the lag was annoying me like hell. You're taking away my addiction. I have withdrawal symptoms! YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO ME!
But on a serious note: I'm really annoyed with Eve atm. Each big update makes the game less stable and more laggy. That's not what ANY update should do. How is CCP going to solve this? And how is CCP going to make up for days we're unable to play due to lag, server crashes, crappy code and what not more?
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.09.09 20:43:00 -
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I have no lag down in Stain ... Or anywhere else for that matter, maybe you should stay off contested nodes... _________________________ Corp: www.ravenwarriors.com Cache Clearer |
CamelKnight III
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.09 20:53:00 -
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/me slaps Grez
Maybe CCP should work on fixing their server AND their code? Get real Grez, there are obvious problems in the game. The fact that you don't experience them is most probably because your computer is so slow, it's no difference to you. I, however, do see a difference, and a big one too. Even with my 20Mbit down/2Mbit up connection I have lag. My computer has never had any trouble running Eve, or any other game for that matter, so that's not an issue either.
And btw, all those ppl I see crashing when another node dies... they must have bad connections or bad computers aswell, no? Staying out of laggy parts of the galaxy is not an option when you're running missions. Nor is CCP letting us know which parts of the game are laggy.
And even if they were, that's not what I'm paying for. I'm paying for a full game, not for 75% of a game!
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Major Dim
Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.09 20:58:00 -
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The LAG is rediculious - needs a fix very soon or people will start leaving the game
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Lucien D'rant
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Posted - 2006.09.09 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: CamelKnight III /me slaps Grez
Maybe CCP should work on fixing their server AND their code? Get real Grez, there are obvious problems in the game. The fact that you don't experience them is most probably because your computer is so slow, it's no difference to you. I, however, do see a difference, and a big one too. Even with my 20Mbit down/2Mbit up connection I have lag. My computer has never had any trouble running Eve, or any other game for that matter, so that's not an issue either.
And btw, all those ppl I see crashing when another node dies... they must have bad connections or bad computers aswell, no? Staying out of laggy parts of the galaxy is not an option when you're running missions. Nor is CCP letting us know which parts of the game are laggy.
And even if they were, that's not what I'm paying for. I'm paying for a full game, not for 75% of a game!
I agree with ganz tho I do admit it seems eve is going down more often and crashing the lag between modules I have not experienced and my computer is a broadband connection and a above average processor. The game has a problem but that commonly happens so we have to wait till they fix it and about the changes that everyones saying they shouldn't do the people working on the changes and the people who fix the servers and develop fixes are in different departments that do not go to other departments so if they are getting paid for it and have to be there they might as well start. I'm not saying sit there and twiddle your thumbs but anyone who works with servers knows that its a tough chore and that the proper equipment to run something that has 30 k people on one server is a tough task so again its not oh don't insult the godly ccp its more of try to understand they are working on it and they may not always be able to tell you what they are doing but if your complaining they know about it. Also not to be rude but 15 dollars USD per month is not that much for a unique gaming experience like this.
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Mylinn Funi
IMPERIAL SENATE
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Posted - 2006.09.09 22:16:00 -
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Signed.
The dragon code has introduced more lag than it should have fixed.
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roseheart
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Posted - 2006.09.09 22:30:00 -
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Im with Dark wtf is the point of EVE when u cant play the damn game. Pick up your game ffs this is stupid. Think it in the terms of a business, when you dont pick up the game your fired. Whats gonna happen in CCP then? Wheres the Value for money gone now? What DO i pay for?
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Antskyeeh
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.09.09 22:31:00 -
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Have had days now stuck at "Acquiring Bulk Data" intermittedly. When I manage to get in the char screen I still ctd 9/10 times. The lucky one time I get in I get stuck in a system after making 3-4 jumps, then ctd.
I've cleared my cache, renamed folders, did fresh installs, everything short of zealous trance dances, and still nothing.
Worst patch deployment ever, in any game I've played. It makes me want to escape my fantasy world and find refuge in RL
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Doctor Blue
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Posted - 2006.09.09 22:32:00 -
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Signed. - I've been playing 15 months and never felt the need to complain before. - I hope everyone else who if finding things virtually unplayable the last few weeks signs up here to. Please fix things ccp before this becomes the beginning of the downslide for Eve, and CCP become 'victims of their own success'.
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: CamelKnight III /me slaps Grez
Maybe CCP should work on fixing their server AND their code? Get real Grez, there are obvious problems in the game. The fact that you don't experience them is most probably because your computer is so slow, it's no difference to you. I, however, do see a difference, and a big one too. Even with my 20Mbit down/2Mbit up connection I have lag. My computer has never had any trouble running Eve, or any other game for that matter, so that's not an issue either.
And btw, all those ppl I see crashing when another node dies... they must have bad connections or bad computers aswell, no? Staying out of laggy parts of the galaxy is not an option when you're running missions. Nor is CCP letting us know which parts of the game are laggy.
And even if they were, that's not what I'm paying for. I'm paying for a full game, not for 75% of a game!
So my FX-60, 4GB of ram, 2x X1900XTX's and a Creative X-fi sound card is slow? Jesus I must be behind with the times. Chances are you're lagging because you're on a node that's sharing a few systems that are traffic heavy. Just spread out a little more... _________________________ Corp: www.ravenwarriors.com Cache Clearer |
Fear Not
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:11:00 -
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Signed.
Nothing else to say really. It's all been covered. I have had to quit the game tonight becuase it took over 1 minute to open a can. This was Khank btw - a very quiet system with 8 people in it!!!!
My sub is due on the 18th and I don't plan to renew it. I may as well go to the drain at the bottom of my drive and stuff 15 euros down it.
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Niding
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Niding on 10/09/2006 00:18:59 Spread out a little more?
The problem with that is that you will spend most of your gaming time trying to escape the lag instead of actually playing...
This isnt a game of "Evade the lag"...
I still play the game and will continue so, but when it gets bad i find myself playing other games just to let the "annoyance level" drop to a acceptable level before logging back on EVE then something is wrong.
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.10 00:49:00 -
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As the OP, let me remind you that this isn't meant as a thread for trolling or flaming etc. I'm just trying to blow the whistle on the fact that the recent patches and new material are only damaging gameplay and eve as a whole, rather than enhancing it, and that CCP need to recognize this fact and address it before introducing any new material to aggravate the situation further.
To Grez's first comment; it isn't a solution for people to simply 'not use contested nodes'. Do you not think such an idea defeats the point of the game here somewhat? We want to be able to use good agents, to visit the systems that are useful for trade and so on, leaving these just to escape lag doesn't solve the actual problem. We then can't run missions or similarly earn money and progress in the game.
As a final note to CCP themselves. Look a little above this at Fear Not's last comment. Proof positive of what I'm saying. Fix the lag before looking at anything else, or you'll start losing more and more people as they no longer see Eve Online as value for money.
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Acinonyx Jubatus
International Multi-Player Consortium The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.10 02:05:00 -
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Ugh, since I jsut woke up I'll say it here, since it fits...
Earlier I was plying eve, and thigns seemed "ok" however it was slightly laggy in places, I even randomly warped through then backwards through a station, then got connection lost.
Ok, no biggie, I sign back on and hope it doesn't happen again, I wander off to a system further away and run 2 missions, first one was risky as it jsut started to lag out on me with 20+ ships all on me now.
Then the second one, took 6-10 seconds to activate a module... seeing as I was somewhat fed up witht his, and not looking forward to misisong rinding for the day in this lag, I just logged off after I finished the mission. :/
I've noticed it more than often lately, I find it more entertainment now from sleeping all day for no reason, than playing eve from this lag.
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Xen Pyro
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Posted - 2006.09.10 02:40:00 -
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I will also have to chime in and agree with the OP. The patch has made my Eve experience "not so spiffy". I have encountered the, hit the jump gate and lose 40% frame rate issue, until I hit 5 FPS and then its bye-bye for me. I have seen other peeps say it is a client side issue. Maybe so, but it wasn't a "client side issue" for me until this patch.
I have two accounts that up until now I was considering expanding to three.
It makes me sad to say this, but playing Eve now kinda wants to make me troll around for another MMO to try just in case this one is tanking.
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Mordoc
Caldari ThE CoVeN ParTnerShiP
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Posted - 2006.09.10 03:42:00 -
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Well its still not playable, so will continue to get a daily bump till we hear SOMETHING from CCP.
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Edu Journeyman
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.10 03:42:00 -
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I wonder why there are no posts of the "fanboys" here saying: "Shutup your winners, I'm tired of your complains, if you don't like EVE, quit and go play other thing, blah, blah, blah..." folowed buy other "troller" post saying: "Hey, I can have your stuff before you quit?"
Still no answer from CCP staff, there are LOTs of threads about this situation since the "patch of the patch Dragon" was deployed.
There are some possibilities tho:
1- Devs are working hard in the last development of Kali to deploy it in the next days... (I hope only a few days, cuz if it will take 15 days to be deployed and the community will NOT play EVE till there...) And cannot be bothered with changing some code that will be replaced
2- Devs are working hard with CCP partners in China to localize the game there...
3- Devs are working hard to keep the moderators and GM silent, taking a course far from where they have gained respect and admiration from the community for the fact of sharing with us what was happening...
4- Devs are common ppl, that sleep, have weekends, family, other stuff to do, like any of us, and we have to wait some days till some1 from CCP can explain what is happening... (Kieron is on vacations, BTW)
5- Other possibility that I don't remember now to post, sorry, but sure, some of the players or even some of CCP staff can help me remind...
Be your journeys long and prosperous. Treat the others as you like to be treated. Rude and fool are enemies. |
Shinzann
Beast Cat Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.10 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Shinzann on 10/09/2006 03:56:24 /signed
If it makes you folks in Aramachi feel any better, I get booted from Torrinos (which gets up to 100+ occasionally while I'm online) on a regular basis, ever since the Dragon arrived. I've been playing since February, and I've never been disco'd in all those months as much as I have in the few days since that patch.
On the plus note, I'm getting better at knowing when I'm going to get disco'd.
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Voodoosuicide
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:36:00 -
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In my short tenure with EVE/CCP i've absolutely loved the game. Damn near every aspect of it. as a mmo vet of 6years i thought it my final stop, for real. i've never had a bad thing to say about the game, until now.
lag and lag alone is killing it for me. i used to log in an average of 8hrs/day cause i'm nerdly like that. i haven't played even close to 8hrs over the last 2 weeks combined. i reactivated and started playing 1 of my older, enjoyable mmo's again.
to be brief, it's repairable for starters. something went wrong within the last 3 weeks. while a large number of peeps ingame simultaneously causes lag issues, i have logged in (in the last 2+weeks) with only 8-12k peeps on and have had the worst lag i have seen since i started my account almost 9 months ago.
while 9 months old is an eve noob to some, i've played more mmo's than most and i know wtf when it comes to playable enjoyability.
it's broken, fix it or lose peeps.
thank you and party on.
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KACTPAT
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:39:00 -
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Agreed. The lag is getting to the stage where it becomes unbearable.
Instead of more or less real-time MMORPG we are getting turn (and chance) based strategy plus IRC with limited functionality.
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Dnaltrop Nogero
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:46:00 -
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A week of condensed play...
Hmmn... extravaganza (cancel)
Hmmn... Zazmatazz still has that darn right hand, um no. (cancel)
Hmmn... Duo of death, only... 7 things that shoot back to kill... WOOOO! only one, maybe 2 reload cycles... Yay, can manage a mission finally.
How about low sec, hmmn that would be suicide with this lag.
It's bad... veeery bad. Courier missions would work, but I can pick up things and put them somewhere else already without a computer game to simulate it.
No thanks.
Yes, the devs are very, very, very, (x1000 to save space) busy trying to put out fires in advance of Kali, but this is pushing the endurance and patience of people who pay good money for the game that is here NOW, and even that should be more than a chat client. (Lately even chat is lagging out now)
Just toss a bone out to the starving packs of players, and let em chew on the marrow. Perhaps a few free days tossed into the accounts to prorate for our lost time.
Keep their mouths occupied in the game instead of on the forums.
~~~~ Men often decieve themselves in believing that by humility, they can overcome insolence. She's not your satellite, she doesn't miss you.
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Ortt
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Posted - 2006.09.10 05:20:00 -
[39]
CCP has done a tremedous job fixing lag in this game. It was much worse before Castor.
Now it seems, content upgrades and more users are beginning to impact performance again, so here are some suggestions:
------------------------------ Book Mark Copying
Bookmark copying is a big contributor to lag. Apparently, the 5 BM copy limit has done nothing to fix this.
So if it still is BM copying, then CCP needs to add "Warp to 0 km" to get control of the bookmark situtation. There are plenty of other ways to make isk without this unintended market.
If CCP can get warp bubble and warp probe game mechanics to work right, this would be able to compensate for the PvP'ers worried about their gate camps.
---------------------------------- Simplify the UI
You have to do a lot of unnecessary clicking to get things done in this game.
Take the Market for example....
When you click on a item group, you get the default group view which loads most of the market details for every item in a group. This is a waste of server resources, since most market users only care about this level of detail for the specific item they want to buy, not every item in the group. It takes time to load all this, and it gets thrown away immediately when the buyer clicks away from it.
Given the cost of loading this view, it should never have been made a default load.
The UI is just chock full of views that are loading a lot more info than needed at the default level. This all needs to be sorted out and streamlined.
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Voodoosuicide
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Posted - 2006.09.10 05:30:00 -
[40]
i have zero nerdly programming prowess but "streamlining" sounds like a necessary term i'd use for squaring away unnecessary code functions.
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Major Dim
Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.10 05:30:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Major Dim on 10/09/2006 05:30:24 EVE ONLINE« LAUNCHES LARGEST SUPERCOMPUTER IN THE GAMING INDUSTRY RUNNING ON IBM SERVER TECHNOLOGY
Austin Game Conference - September 8, 2006 - CCP Games announced today the largest supercomputer cluster in the history of the gaming industry for EVE Online, one of the leading science fiction Massively Multiplayer Online Games (MMOG). The upgraded server cluster features dual-processor 64-bit AMD Opteron-based IBM BladeCenter LS20 blade servers, as well additional enhancements to the clusters internet backbone.
"The sharp growth rate of EVE Online was pushing the limits of the technology we replaced," said Hilmar Veigar PTtursson, CEO of CCP Games. "Our goal was to implement a scalable solution that could accommodate the influx of new subscribers and gracefully manage the steadily increasing demand put on our infrastructure. IBM provided us with optimized hardware that improved overall game performance and increased capacity, especially during peak server usage timeframes."
The EVE Online supercomputer cluster manages over 150 million database transactions per day on a 64-bit hardware architecture from IBM. The database servers don't use traditional hard drives but instead Solid State Disks (SSD) which are recognize as the worlds fastest storage devices with over 400,000 random I/Os per second. The recent world record of over 30,000 concurrent users on a single shard is a testament to the clusters capabilities and CCP is looking forward to support at least 50,000 concurrent users.
"CCP has really innovated traditional MMOG design," said David Laux, IBM Global Executive, Games & Interactive Entertainment. "IBM is proud to provide the powerful technology that will bring new excitement to the EVE community and help CCP continue to be successful."
Did i hear someone sigh?
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tinkerrrr
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Posted - 2006.09.10 05:51:00 -
[42]
ok if thats a real post than give us the link to where u found it till than bah
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Bloody Slave
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Posted - 2006.09.10 06:08:00 -
[43]
Originally by: tinkerrrr ok if thats a real post than give us the link to where u found it till than bah
LoL --- We already are using the LS20 for quit some time tinkerrrr! It's called Tranquility (TQ) was changed when we still were 16K players record... Just go for some of the old news in this site and you could see a LOT of "new hamsters" there.
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Giga Viking
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Posted - 2006.09.10 06:54:00 -
[44]
Time to give up this game?
For some reason, it seems more and more commonplace for me to be booted from the game...90% without warning, 10% with warning. That, in of itself, may not be that much of a deal. However, the dropping of connection, and the increasing frequency of systems "resetting" is forcing me to wonder as to the reliability of this game, which I'm paying for, versus other MMO games which are free and have higher reliability.
I like this game, but like a whipped dog, there's only so much that can be taken before the dog runs away.
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Psilocybe Cubensis
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.09.10 06:56:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Grez I have no lag down in Stain ... Or anywhere else for that matter, maybe you should stay off contested nodes...
My connection on my main in Curse has slowly been getting worse.
When jumping into a new system it takes a while to load and half the time I do an emergency warp once I have loaded. Doesn't make for a very good impression on my enemies :(
I thought it was me, but my alt in empire is fine and loads new systems real quick.
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Nocebo
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Posted - 2006.09.10 07:17:00 -
[46]
This post is right on. My agent is also in aramachi. In that system and the surrounding systems it regularly takes 10 seconds for modules to activate. You also get lots of lag spikes where nothing will update for 30 seconds or more. Thne you'll see the fast-forward effect. You also get a lot of the rubberbanding effect, where you see the same thing happening over and over. Your shop backs up a few meters suddenly, etc.
I've tried to only do missions whent he server has 15k ppl, it makes no difference. It's very hard to play. I feel like I'm trying to run underwater all the time.
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Tar Ancalimon
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Posted - 2006.09.10 08:11:00 -
[47]
Agreed. Lag is terrible. Eve is becoming unplayable. I bought my first new game in 8 months 2 weeks ago because I can't stand to play it right now. It makes me sad.
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Zhivaa
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Posted - 2006.09.10 08:24:00 -
[48]
Fix the lag. Fix the lag. Fix the lag. Fix the lag.
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Nexus1972
cosmos operations
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Posted - 2006.09.10 08:33:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Bloody Slave Edited by: Bloody Slave on 10/09/2006 06:18:27
Originally by: tinkerrrr ok if thats a real post than give us the link to where u found it till than bah
LoL --- We already are using the LS20 for quit some time tinkerrrr! It's called Tranquility (TQ) was changed when we still were 16K players record... Just go for some of the old news in this site and you could see a LOT of "new hamsters" there.
Edited: To link
I think he was referring to the 50,000 users that was mentioned - I saw that the other day and couldnt believe they think they can support 50,000 ppl with the current lag situation. -------------------------------- CEO of Cosmos Operations
Building COSMOS Minmatar BPC's and supplying Sleeper components |
El Bunny
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Posted - 2006.09.10 09:40:00 -
[50]
Sadly, I had to cancel my 2 accounts because it was unplayable for about 2 weeks. I don't think there's much improvement in the (near) future and next week is my next billingdate so... I suspended the accounts. CCP, I really love Eve, don't really play much since I've got a job and all, but the times I want to play, I want to do it without excessive lag and node failures.
I'll be back when things clears up (ie new hardware).
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taupehat
Minmatar Taupe Hat Systems
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Posted - 2006.09.10 09:48:00 -
[51]
/signed.
I was booted from Hek and Amo 3 times today. Just total random disconnects. Net connection verifies fine here, it's reasonably speedy DSL, I made sure the compy/386 wasn't trying to calculate least primes of the number of digits in pi in a Cantor set with another element being the momentary output of rand() or anything like that - in fact, it's a bloody fast gaming rig, running up-to-date XP with nothing running on it, so it's not client side. Not to mention the fact that one of my corpies was having the same trouble. As were the eleven other people in Amo. It's lots of fun when you've got a dozen rats targetting you, and your bloody drones won't launch.
Please, CCP, fix this asap. Drop feature enhancements and figure out how to get the swervers to stop grinding so hard. Take off every 'Zig' !! |
Extregar Qvint
Caldari JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.10 10:24:00 -
[52]
signed.
This is becoming rediculous. Watching the Oprah show on TV is more interesting now...
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Toutagamon
Caldari MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2006.09.10 10:34:00 -
[53]
if 30k players is a thing to celebrate lets make them 50k. Hmm the fact that none of them can do anything in game because of lag is minnor problem after all :P . At least i want an apologie for not have chance to play last month because of this ridicilus lag.
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Vinifera
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Posted - 2006.09.10 10:49:00 -
[54]
Yup. This is getting fully scary now.
I play in pucherie which averages 25-35 players. I have had the Eve client crash or issue "Connection to Server Lost" on me 5+ times today.
Hardware and OS installation are in flawless shape and way above standard requirments for running Eve. My 2mbs symmetric broadband is also rock solid and was in no way responbsible for the disconnets.
Was doing Rogue Drone Harassment Lvl4. Warped to second stage, got the auto-aggro, released my drones to deal with the frigs, and was just about to turn on the armor reppers when Eve flashed some sort of server message for a fraction of a second before hard locking. Couldn't kill the client and still saw network traffic. In a panic I yanked the ethernet plug and prayed that my Megathron would still be there after having to hard boot to get past the client crash/lock.
Fortunately it was warped out...but was at half-hull!!!! So nearly lost it....the t2 drones, of course, are gone (don't get me started on the drone problems!).
CCP...it really is becoming unplayable....especially for those of us who rely heavily on drones.
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Major Dim
Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.10 11:11:00 -
[55]
http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?loadNews=6123&bhcp=1
Thats the link for th press release. And yes i was reffering my comment to the 50000, the fact that we are using this hardware since february and that the release came out now and shows the complete ignorrance of CCP towards the problems TQ has atm. Did i hear someone sigh again? Just speak it out loud 50000! Dont be afraid!
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.10 12:15:00 -
[56]
This is the problem, CCP need to realise that physically having 30k people logged in is not an achievement per se, if those 30k people were not having a good quality gaming experience at the time. I know that at the time, I wasn't. Yet still they use it for their bloody PR...
The very idea of 50000 at this point is comical.
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Enkilil
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Posted - 2006.09.10 12:27:00 -
[57]
I really don't want to stop playing Eve. I really have enjoyed it, dispite the (countless) unresolved CTD's, problems with so many issues after the 3910 patch (that was what, 2 months ago?)... now this with the new server update. This is the first MMO I have taken to ( play first person shooters) and actually could see myself playing in a few years and still enjoying it.
The current situation, while hopefully fixable, doesn't excuse the fact that there is a horribly deficient Public Relations issue with CCP. As one poster has already stated, the lack of acknowledgement and communication is imo the real problem. This is a powerhouse of a game, and insomuch as it is, it requires a lot of resources, and I firmly believe and have faith that CCP is cutting thier teeth on the finest resources available to deal with adversities such as this... but, along with that, is required a 'powerhouse of a PR Department' as well, which sadly they lack. To avoid acknowledging, vocalizing, in these forums, what is going on and what is being done to rectify the situation, they show a lack of respect and gratitude for each and every one of us. This isn't the first time this has happened. It happened a few years ago, with Valve Software, with the constant updates to 'Steam', and the myriad of backlash each one of them produced with the clients.... Steam was losing so much rep, and with the 'volunteer moderators' not helping one bit, eventually, they crawled out of their ivory towers occasionally to say 'sorry. we ****** up this last time but this is what we're doing to make things right. this is the timeframe in which we'll have it fixed. btw, when it is fixed we're also releasing this and this. thanks for your patience.' you know what, it worked. it's not hard to communicate. the age of 'silence is golden' is dead dead dead. Keep the silence, and you'll find yourself alone in it with few of us keeping the faith in this great game. For the record, when I spent over 45 minutes in local chat, whilst being stuck midway thru a stargate into Rens yesterday while it 'loaded' and then dropped me, and was unable to get back on for another 20 minutes, I looked out my window and saw my neighbor tossing a frisbee around with his son. I went out and threw it with them for awhile. I haven't done that for 15 years.... and I bet they cost about $14.95 right about now (for a good one). I wonder if I could buy one every month?
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Basileus
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Posted - 2006.09.10 12:55:00 -
[58]
Hella signed. Especially for Aramachi.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.10 12:56:00 -
[59]
Well this seems like the thread of this kind with the best title.
/signed.
It would be very nice if CCP at least posted on this subject at least to acknowledge that there might be a problem
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Uber Root
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:33:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Stromfresser yeah the lag in Aramachi is bad!
agree yesterday i had module activation laf of 8 sec
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Zalle
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:35:00 -
[61]
jup...
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tinkerrrr
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:44:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Bloody Slave Edited by: Bloody Slave on 10/09/2006 06:18:27
Originally by: tinkerrrr ok if thats a real post than give us the link to where u found it till than bah
LoL --- We already are using the LS20 for quit some time tinkerrrr! It's called Tranquility (TQ) was changed when we still were 16K players record... Just go for some of the old news in this site and you could see a LOT of "new hamsters" there.
Edited: To link
Ok my bad; I thought this was an even newer one than that. I was hoping that you were actually talking bout a lag fix, and not the joke of a server we seem to have now.
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DDemon
The Order of Chivalry
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:47:00 -
[63]
Lag is getting unbarable in aramachi. Even surounding systems, would be great if ccp could find a way to make the lag abit less, cause waiting 1 minute for modules/docking/jumping takes all the fun out of the game
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Paoletta
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Posted - 2006.09.10 13:59:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Paoletta on 10/09/2006 13:59:47 /signed
I canceled my subscription due lag issues and because if I lose one ship due lag, they'll refund me after MONTHS! I'm not going to pay for a totally unplayable game.
Ps: after kali, STOP about thinking another expansion, BUT try to solve the HUGE amount of issues. Pps: when you picking a new record (20K users, 30K users) that mean as you EARN more money as you have to HIRE more people.
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dralid
Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.10 14:22:00 -
[65]
They should do a roll-back to the pre-patch situation! -- Do YOU know, the Whirlwind? HERE |
Deaken Fiss
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2006.09.10 14:40:00 -
[66]
signed.
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Mordoc
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.10 15:42:00 -
[67]
Ok still nothing from CCP about this unplayable game, so heres the daily bump. FIX this ****.
Incoming fire always has the right of way. |
Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.10 15:45:00 -
[68]
It is amazing is it not that we haven't even had the customary 'we are sorry for any inconvenience' message that comes with any downtime or problem in eve. I was rather looking forward to it. Still...
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Ramanujan
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Posted - 2006.09.10 15:49:00 -
[69]
obviously it seems getting rid of all lag at the moment is impossible, we would need ibm uber-blade servers 128 for that!
But, can't the systems that have severe lag problems, like aramachi, have dedicated hardware like jita does?
also, weekends prolly need extra maintanance, gotta keep those logs cleared. maybe twice a day?
Alright, go!
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Mordoc
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.10 15:50:00 -
[70]
Even though I would of said for them to stop saying they are sorry and fix it, yes some (ANY) response to this issue would be nice. I would hate to think they really dont care enough to keep us informed like in the past.
Incoming fire always has the right of way. |
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Mordoc
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.10 15:52:00 -
[71]
Its not the servers, its the code they launched in the Dragon patch. The intire code needs to be looked at and fixed.
Incoming fire always has the right of way. |
Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.10 16:05:00 -
[72]
Agreed. Whereas lag has always been an underlying problem in eve (and likely always will be), up until a few weeks ago it was bearable. Since the Dragon update and the other recent patches, the quality of gameplay has been getting steadily worse. This needs to be recognised by CCP and dealt with before they think about adding new content to pave the way for Kali, as such patches would be likely to only aggravate the situation further. Lag fixing should now be the single top priority on their minds.
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JonB
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Posted - 2006.09.10 16:54:00 -
[73]
I think the worst thing is no acknowledgement from CCP that lag is really bad and they are looking into it.
I lost a ship last night due to lagging so badly so looking forward to the long drawn out petition process. Be nice if CCP could respond to them quicker, after all we do pay them money every month.
Please fix it and give us an indication that you are investigating and a likely time scale to fix it.
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Newbee
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:00:00 -
[74]
im paying for playing eve. and playing means for me having fun in the game. at the moment im paying for a chatnetwork like IRC or something this is no fun and most of the time its just impossible to play. FIX IT
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RazerKill
Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:01:00 -
[75]
yes Aramachi is getting way to laggy! im in a mission now and the realoding takes over 30 sec :S PiRatE KiTtY
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:11:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Dark Motoko on 10/09/2006 17:11:24
Originally by: JonB I think the worst thing is no acknowledgement from CCP that lag is really bad and they are looking into it.
I lost a ship last night due to lagging so badly so looking forward to the long drawn out petition process. Be nice if CCP could respond to them quicker, after all we do pay them money every month.
Please fix it and give us an indication that you are investigating and a likely time scale to fix it.
Last time a friend of mine lost a ship due to lag; 5 weeks to get it reimbursed. Their player support is terrible and it's only going to get worse as the lag does.
Oh and currently in Aramachi, the entire system is once again nothing but a laggy mess. I'm about to give up running missions for the day as I'm at 30 seconds of module activation delay. Too much for me.
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JanSVK
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:11:00 -
[77]
This is my first post on the EVE forums and it is a LAG complain.
Some time ago I was doing missions 0.1-0.4 systems in lonetreck low trafick low lag . What is the problem? It become a pirate haven so I had to move to Motsu. and Now I got the howl program as everybody else. Modul activation dellay, gate activation dellay, have like a 10 - 20 sek complet dead controls on panel. and grabbing the loot from my cans takes ages if I leave the cans if causes even more lags so I heared.
Simply it is 10.07.2006 17:05 in Armachi and the game is unplayable. CCP pls do something about this before I choose to leave.
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Sniperpirate
Minmatar Infinite Improbability Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:14:00 -
[78]
im trying to do a lvl 3 mission and i cant...guns wont reload and dont fire..and cargo cans dont open creating more lag!!! then i get my ass handed to me and and its all cos of the lagg!!!!! ---------------------
Memer Of The Xetic Alliance/Immensea Federation
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Toman Torax
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:28:00 -
[79]
Well Dark, you're lucky, actually...
I just tried jumping into Jita, and I've been stuck jumping for over 35 min now.
It's one major cluster&%$@ right now.
Bad getting worse... no - majorly f'ed up going to complete crap.
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Edu Journeyman
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:29:00 -
[80]
Unfortunately, for me, is not only insane LAG, but freezes on my screen (10-15 seconds) when in missions, disconnections and now, to my surprise, an extensive note I had with all the Corp ammo BPOs, with the research in ME/PE and the owner name was gone from the notepad... I just wonder if all this problem is related with DATABASE management since all the servers crashes in the past weeks were DATABASE issues related. I would like Valar could come and give us some insights, in fact, I would apreciate any answer from CCP staff, even if the janitor come here and say: "Stay coll ppl, the Devs know this problem and are working on it right now and they asked me to stop cleaning the office for a moment to tell you this, ok?"
Lack of communications is worst then NOT be able to play, I feel ignored as if they would think: "The street door is open and is one of our services, if you don't like, just leave through it"... Be your journeys long and prosperous. Treat the others as you like to be treated. Rude and fool are enemies. |
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:31:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Dark Motoko on 10/09/2006 17:31:29
Originally by: Toman Torax Well Dark, you're lucky, actually...
I just tried jumping into Jita, and I've been stuck jumping for over 35 min now.
It's one major cluster&%$@ right now.
Bad getting worse... no - majorly f'ed up going to complete crap.
That would almost be funny if it wasn't so tragic...
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Toman Torax
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:48:00 -
[82]
This is just a sick f'ing joke now.
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RobotHead NoPants
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:22:00 -
[83]
/signed
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Axebreaker
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:25:00 -
[84]
Signed, bigger fleet battles were less laggy a few months ago than a 100 v 100 now.
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Crystalium
Minmatar NawaK Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:32:00 -
[85]
Kinda new player i am (yeah, yoda style :D). I moved from a mmorpg because creators were unable to equilibrate the three different realms .. i played this game for nearly three years, some bugs took over months to get fixed although they were clearly killing the game ..
So i started EvE online 3 months ago .. since few weeks i loved this game, but nowadays with this lag, all i can say is that i'm thinking about moving to another mmo again (or maybe return to non-online games ?) ... i'm located in torrinos (lonetrek), because there's often quite numerous people i thought about moving, but as already said, it's not an "escape the lag" game .. moving to another system or region, starting again for agents standing and so .. it's a pain in the ass :/ Even some missions in system with less than 10 ppl when serv is about 20k players are filled of lag ..
This game looks awesome, his lifespan looks very long to me, but it shortens every laggy day :/
(ps : sorry if some sentences are quite hard to understand, french player inside :p)
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Commander Korbin
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Posted - 2006.09.10 19:01:00 -
[86]
I have to admit that the lag in Jita is rediculous... Right after the reboot I have been "Entering Game" (after the #300 person wait) for 20 minutes. They just rebooted. I think that it would of helped some but no.
PS I had no idea that they reimbursed for ships destroyed by lag.
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Cmdr Baxter
Caldari Skunk Works Corp. C O I N Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.10 19:17:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 10/09/2006 19:17:39 /signed
Lag isn't only bad in Aramachi: I left Rairomon (Citadel Region) earlier because I was getting 15+ seconds for module activations. Which I've never had before in that system, considering there was a grand total of 6 people in-system.
EDIT: Strange how CCP hasn't addressed this thread yet. Anyone want to venture a guess why?
Commanding Officer S.W.V. Aurora S.W.S. Syrene |
Alynis Secar
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Posted - 2006.09.10 19:26:00 -
[88]
/signed
I started out trying to run lvl4's in Motsu...got too laggy so I moved to isenairos on the advice of a corp mate. Was fine for a week or so then it got really laggy so I moved to Saila. Again along comes the lag so I moved to Aramachi. Low and behold I'm lagged to buggery again *sigh*
Pls fix it...I cant be bothered to up myself and move to yet another system, certainly not one in amarr/gallente/min space as I'd spend the next 4 months running lvl 1's just to get my standing up :(
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Deadwake
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Posted - 2006.09.10 20:18:00 -
[89]
I cry out in help i have had this unknown status for the last mounth and no one seems to know what it is can someone plllllllllllssssssssssss help me i am so sad i can't play my favorite game thanks
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maGz
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.09.10 20:37:00 -
[90]
As I saw in a bio a long time ago:
CCP: Oh my god, look how many people we have on our shardless server!
Server: Griiind crunch **** die
CCP: Oh my god, look how many people we have on our shardless server!
Players: Fix the ******* lag
CCP: Oh my god, look how many people we have on our shardless server! Also, new battleships!
At least be men enough and admit that you've completely ****** up with the latest patch... ____________
The Priory Killboard |
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tinkerrrr
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Posted - 2006.09.10 21:02:00 -
[91]
Edited by: tinkerrrr on 10/09/2006 21:02:18 Edited by: tinkerrrr on 10/09/2006 21:01:58 bah mods kill other stuff bout lag but not responding bout the the issues that we are bringing up, total crap i think !!! i was a beta tester and ive been back over a year and now im thinkin of leavein
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Dnaltrop Nogero
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Posted - 2006.09.10 21:54:00 -
[92]
Taken from another post... they are aware of the problem, but their answering here repeatedly won't make the problem fix itself. Just sign the post with your displeasure, but understand a continual stream of "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH" from us does not actually make things any better for anyone.
(feels good to let the steam out tho in either case)
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Originally by: Sharkbait i'm not sure what is happening and can't say alot atm. all i can say is it's being looked into and it will get sorted asap. there is a server hotfix going in on tuesday (hopefully if it passes testing) that will handle the load balancing alittle better and hopefully a few other issues fixed.
can't say anymore at this time, but it's not being ignored
~~~~ Men often decieve themselves in believing that by humility, they can overcome insolence. She's not your satellite, she doesn't miss you.
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Alangiv
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Posted - 2006.09.10 23:41:00 -
[93]
maGz - LoL. Yep if the server cluster could speak then "Grind Fart Splutter..." would be the right noises whilst it leaked memory until an emergency reboot. Oops! Watch those bookmarks people! Its overloading the system!
Next post from CCP: Dear players, due to excessive player buying, you may only keep a maximum of 100 items per station, and may only store items in up to 10 stations per region. Best regards, The EvE Team
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Dane Hur
Caldari DaHOOD Communication
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Posted - 2006.09.11 00:02:00 -
[94]
Quick non-fix, move away from Motsu/Salia/Isenairos/Aramachi, there are just way to many people in that area, I dont think they will be able to fix the current problem, unless they start to move the agents around, so we dont have six level four agents so close together.
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori. - Wilfred Owen |
NurofenMiner
Amarr Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.11 00:16:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Alangiv maGz - LoL. Yep if the server cluster could speak then "Grind Fart Splutter..." would be the right noises whilst it leaked memory until an emergency reboot.
Thanks man - I needed a good laugh tonite
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Satal Sonshi
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Posted - 2006.09.11 01:33:00 -
[96]
/Signed
I began playing eve a week or so before the patch, and it worked flawlessly. Not a single CTD, not a single connection-lost... But Post-Dragon it has been getting progressively worse. At this point I don't even attempt missions because I know that the lag will cause a CTD, and that'll be that. I had 7 CTD's in the span of 30 minutes just trying to do a L2 Drone Infestation mission. I have friends that I can't even send a convo-request, because they'll get a 10 minute lag fest.
I'm psyched that there are 30k users. I think it's awesome that China is coming. All of these things mean that CCP is growing and expanding and working to become an even greater development company. But right now, I'm paying $15 a month for the opportunity to crash constantly, and that disturbs me to no end. If the gaming experience can't be improved drastically in the near term, there's no reason for me to play it. :(
-= Satal Sonshi =-
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Lord Amentia
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Posted - 2006.09.11 01:57:00 -
[97]
/signed
Even in various empty 0.0 systems lag is horrible at times, it really is amazing.
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Darian Edalth
Minmatar Caldar Mercenary Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 04:11:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Lord Amentia /signed
Even in various empty 0.0 systems lag is horrible at times, it really is amazing.
The lag seems to be pretty univeral, I have to agree it's getting harder to do missions. CCP, I love your game.. just please help with the lag. Shardless is a great concept but only if you keep up with the hardware demands of it.
- Darian. - Darian Edalth, CEO. "Chief Master Sergeant, Council of CMSS"
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Cown
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.11 07:10:00 -
[99]
Finally a post, that shows how it really is to play EVE.
I cant agree more. Yesterday i started to do missions again for almost + a year. I was stunned, as 60% of the times i was UNABLE to activate any modules. My lasers took up to 40 seconds before they started to shoot, which is UNACCEPABLE.
We pay loads of money for this game, so i would expect to be able to play the game, right? Well... no, wrong. Even the PVP sucks in these days. I lost a Zealot yesterday, because i was unable to dock. Oh, it said: "Docking" but ehm... HELLO LAG, HOW ARE YOU? and then like 3 mins later i popped.
I really hope CCP is thinking of something to do with the excessive lag. It only makes me sad to see: "30000 player barrier broken" - This means more and more lag... I have a 100 MBit connection and a decent computer, this is not MY problem, CCP, this is YOUR problem, please do something!
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Yakti
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Posted - 2006.09.11 07:44:00 -
[100]
Bah, I'm loosing ships over this f#ckin lag! The fun is leaving me to continue :(
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Dissolutor
Minmatar District of Power
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:28:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Dissolutor on 11/09/2006 08:28:45 Fix the lag please.. it's ridiculous....'
/Signed btw
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brenda over
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:21:00 -
[102]
signed.
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RedDevil
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Posted - 2006.09.11 10:39:00 -
[103]
/signed
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PunkRoadkill
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Posted - 2006.09.11 10:56:00 -
[104]
/signed
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Furious Hawk
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:23:00 -
[105]
I'm so ****ed right now. I just logged on this morning before I have to go to school and what do I get? 1 Minute until scheduled one hour downtime. WHAT?! How am I going to get my serving of EVE before School?! I need something to relax the strain of senior year! Surely the fact that CCP is cramming 30k players in a single server is the reason for this. The strain on the server would be enormous. Come on CCP, I know games that have hundreds of thousands of players, but they spread them across 70 servers. They don't pack them like sardines into one server and say "the lag is your fault". Speaking of lag, I just started paying for EVE yesterday, and the lag I got yesterday was way worse than the lag from when I was a free account back in July. Back then it was bearable, but now it's just rediculous.
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PunkRoadkill
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:36:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Furious Hawk I'm so ****ed right now. I just logged on this morning before I have to go to school and what do I get? 1 Minute until scheduled one hour downtime. WHAT?! How am I going to get my serving of EVE before School?! I need something to relax the strain of senior year! Surely the fact that CCP is cramming 30k players in a single server is the reason for this.
uhh? they're done this every day for the past 1400 days or so? how can it surprise you lmao
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Ahrman Vanaheim
Caldari Chimaera Combine
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:41:00 -
[107]
Unfortunately the lag is serious everywhere.. I live in Australia so am blessed with a much quieter peak time i.e. 13-14k players, however doing missions near Tash Murkon was a sad joke, put simply if I had not placed both reppers on my tank going before the mission the 3 (yes 3 consecutive) 10 minute freezes and then CTD's would have me looking for a new ship. It quite seriously felt like there were mass bookmarks being copied in local, but that can't happen now.. right....?
It seems certain mission cause lag.. as soon as the 'accept' button or whatever is pushed the game starts to stutter, the mission is a jerky lag fest, and the end is met with real relief.
Memory Leaks now becoming serious - I have played EVE on and off for over a year now, and can honestly say I have never had a CTD that wasn't self induced until after Dragon. now I am guaranteed one every 3-4 hours.. the game starts well, nice and smooth, the gradually becomes more and more jerky - then freeze and CTD. Upon relogging all is good and the cycle starts again
The next patch had better concentrate more on fixing the problems and less on more *meh* content, or players WILL start leaving.. no I am not one of them at present unless the situation becomes hopeless... (read next note).
I have never posted to whine to or at CCP before, but given the current state of gameply, seing reports of CCP officials/PR guys bragging about 30k consecutive players is quite simply a insult For a long time now (in fact every time they do it) the posts about x number of consecutive players breaking a new barrier feels like a bigger and bigger stinging slap in the face, CCP give it up! I don't think you realise just how insulting we, the people who pay your wages, find this bragging when the game gets harder and harder to play with each new barrier broken.
P.S. This is my second attempt (the first one was quite stirring too ) but I got a 'server internal error - this error has been reported blah blah' upon trying to finalise it.
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Alexi Sturkov
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:00:00 -
[108]
The lag sucks but then again what do you expect do they have spare cash to spend on up grading the game? oh wait yes they do ccp you gotta spend money to make money
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DiveBlaster
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:00:00 -
[109]
/Signed
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Supra Ro
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:13:00 -
[110]
Signing on that the lag sucks and something MUST be done about it soon.
Would rather have a playable game then more features.
Quite working on the new version and start fixing the version you have that is not working correctly.
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Shukun Koufu
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:18:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Shukun Koufu on 11/09/2006 14:25:08 Yes, it is very frustrating to do missions and to PVP. And even worse is the inability of devs. to admit it! I agree totally with the OP.
/signed !!
PS. I have this character for 6 months now and still I have an exclamation mark for a character portrait, how long can it take for the devs. to fix this! Just shows you the type of management that drives the development: none!
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Havelcek
Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:34:00 -
[112]
Its an extra special kick in the sack to read the "woo 30K players" note on the frontpage when those 30K players can't actually play the game. If all those new accounts are people sampling the game then the bubble will burst shortly. The game currently plays like something from 2000/2001 in its current state of lag and bugs.
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Nebuchadnezzar I
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:43:00 -
[113]
/signed
And then they blame Bm copying but when they nerf it is as bad as ever.
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Flax Volcanus
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:55:00 -
[114]
Although it won't help a bit, I'll add my two cents.
My corp mates and I have noticed the lag building since early summer, but the past month has been literally unplayable. Missions in Kaunokka or Aramachi? Scratch that, and move all equipment back to corp HQ. Prowling around Cal low-sec or nearby 0.0? Prolly not a good idea. Chase pies or run plexes in Sinq? Not if you're particular about your mods activating when you give the command, or your drones responding, or your ship surviving...
I have three accounts, all of which I foolishly prepaid for big blocks of time. Since I can't cancel for a refund, I guess I'll have to let them run the course and suspend when they're up. It really pains me to do so, because I've been addicted to this game since Day One, and I haven't taken a break in more than a year of playing. I wish CCP would show the same commitment.
P.S. One thing I absolutely cannot stand is the fanboys who advocate moving out of problem areas. First, the "problem" is spreading. If you're currently playing in a lag-free system or region, you'd better relish you experience, because at the rate things have degenerated in the last 90 days it won't last. Second, CCP doesn't sell a galaxy of 5K systems, "only portions of which are playable." Why should players be expected to alter their gaming because of inadequate infrastructure?
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Ban Nor
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:12:00 -
[115]
/signed
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Gaogan
Gallente Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:25:00 -
[116]
/signed
The lag has been getting worse lately out in Paragon Soul and Impass as well, and traffic advisories and gate jump queues on systems with nobody in them are absolutely INFURIATING.
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Resin Kadir
Lexx Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:31:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Dark Motoko Edited by: Dark Motoko on 09/09/2006 16:09:27 Ok, while I'm sure at the moment the CCP team is sitting back and thinking, 'Hooray, the server is currently up and working properly', some of us are getting serious reason to differ. I just felt I had to write about what just happened to me, since I haven't seen nearly enough complaints on this in the forum compared to what I see and hear from people in-game.
I just tried an L4 Pirate Invasion; I warp over, trigger the gate. My hardeners take 4-5 seconds to activate, but that isn't so bad.
Ok, so I start destroying the first group that auto-aggros me. My launchers take 5-10 seconds to activate; not brilliant, but bearable. A few cruisers go down. The auto-aggro group sends a few frigates, so I release my medium drones and send them after one. Four or five minutes later, and after repeating the command a fair few times, my drones are still not bothering to target the specific frigate I selected, but are picking their own. Handy that.
Inevitably, I then need to shield boost, so I hit the module. After about 10 seconds it activates, and then shuts down immediately once orders. That would be alright, but within the space of 3 or 4 activations, it then takes 20 seconds or more to activate. Bit worrying, right?
My thoughts at this point are, 'to hell with this', so I order my ship to align to a beacon in preparation for my warping out. My drones are a lost cause - they still haven't attacked that frigate target, and now certainly won't return to me. I order a warp when aligned properly and wait. Over 30-40 seconds pass before my ship actually goes to warp. Pretty good thing I decided to warp early before my ship actually needed to get out of there.
I don't want to be harsh but from the beginning, with all the issues you saw, why did you even attempt the mission? EVE is having problems at the moment and a patient person would avoid a situation that will probably end with a bang.
On the other hand, although I love playing EVE and I can wait out the problems witht he server, I do really wish we could get an update with what EXACTLY is going. We are the customers and the little tidbits of "oh we had a small glitch" simply don't satisfy our curiosity. And, while the EULA doesn't say CCP bows to the customer, I think the majority have gotten to the point where we are actually demanding answers to our questions. Obviously you can't go around answering stupid or small questions about why there is a problem here and there for ever little thing, but at the moment all of EVE suffering and I think at the least, we DESERVE closure.
P.S. Love you CCP.
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Resin Kadir
Lexx Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:41:00 -
[118]
Oh yeah, and to counter your complaint, a friend and I have been doing level 4 missions for over a month out near Ardar. Not once during that entire time did we suffer from heavy lag, not during missions nor pirat... pvping. If you understand how EVE works, you'll realize lag and performance are usually cluster/node based. Just the other day we were in Fountain suffering from incredible lag. Friend logs and then node crashed. Now I have limited server knowledge but I assume another node picked up the weight because I immediately logged back in and all lag is gone. And the following day, friend is in same system with lag. I'm three jumps away and system is healthy as a Wallstreet *****. Like someone else said, spread out.
Sorry for changing the subject but once you realize Empire sucks, EVE gets more fun.
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Arokan Manturi
Shadow League
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Posted - 2006.09.11 17:11:00 -
[119]
/signed ------------------------------------------------ Starmaps - the ultimate way to end BM hell |
Brugar
Minmatar Galactic Unlimited Naval Suppliers
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Posted - 2006.09.11 17:26:00 -
[120]
WOW!
I just read all these posts, and I am utter amazement that not one reply has happened from some sort of a CCP position.
Maybe CCP is the government?
Anyhoo...
/signed
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Maximillian Power
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Posted - 2006.09.11 17:42:00 -
[121]
All I can say is that I know the development and the attempts to resolve these issues must be difficult.
However CCP must communicate with its user base... It is a pity as the game is quite excellent but the lag in certain areas makes it not worthwhile at times.
Thanks CCP for a fabulous game - but please raise the correspondence levels.
I hope that you can resolve the issues soon - particularly your communication issues - as it amplifies the effect of the others..
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Rezerwowy Pies
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:00:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Rezerwowy Pies on 11/09/2006 18:01:55
Originally by: Brugar WOW! I am utter amazement that not one reply has happened from some sort of a CCP position.
You know... they have 30k active players (accounts a lot more), even if some of them stop subscribe.. no big deal for their finances :/
Really what they can say? Please pay but don't play? We know but we can't resolve issue? Sometimes silent is a best option.
-- Why some admins can't do that
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:04:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Resin Kadir Oh yeah, and to counter your complaint, a friend and I have been doing level 4 missions for over a month out near Ardar. Not once during that entire time did we suffer from heavy lag, not during missions nor pirat... pvping. If you understand how EVE works, you'll realize lag and performance are usually cluster/node based. Just the other day we were in Fountain suffering from incredible lag. Friend logs and then node crashed. Now I have limited server knowledge but I assume another node picked up the weight because I immediately logged back in and all lag is gone. And the following day, friend is in same system with lag. I'm three jumps away and system is healthy as a Wallstreet *****. Like someone else said, spread out.
Sorry for changing the subject but once you realize Empire sucks, EVE gets more fun.
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xenorx
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:06:00 -
[124]
The lag is retarded these days. After 3 years of playing I am wondering if it is worth playing on. Whats worse is not hearing anything from CCP on the issue. Perhaps we are speaking the wrong language these days. Anyone around here speak chinese?
No one can hear you scream in space, so just shut up and die already. |
Trance Valentine
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:52:00 -
[125]
Nothing more to add..just signing in total agreement with all the above posts regarding lag/unplayability. Been playing for past 2.5 years. With the last couple of patches, the LAG has gotten unbelievable, even mining suffers from it. Yay 30k people at one time..Booo.. game is now unplayable at weekends.
New hardware CCP side hasnt done much, and with the last patch its got steadily worse..
Oh, did i say i had nothing more to add? sorry.
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Bailian Moxtain
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Posted - 2006.09.11 19:12:00 -
[126]
YARRRRR RAWR HARRRRRRR
ehhhh signed....
Tanking sentries, fleetbattles and pirating / pvp HAVE to be without lag, or else
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Cown
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.11 19:14:00 -
[127]
bump
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bringme2life
Caldari Cirrius Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.11 19:31:00 -
[128]
/signed Today the lag was so bad, that accessing my skillsheet took like 3 mins, and missile launchers started firing after 50-60 seconds of activation. This is totally unacceptable. CCP, if no issue can be found, roll back to an older build or something...
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Maximillian Power
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Posted - 2006.09.11 19:46:00 -
[129]
pointless tbh - its a joke - can't do anything now - if this happened where I work I would be fired. And not for the coding - Like I said its simple for someone to come on every now and again - probably a manager and say
"Look guys - I know it sucks - We are working hard to resolve it - Apologies again"
Simple to the point and just keeps the status quo... its not difficult..
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Regel
Gallente Skyborne Exploration
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Posted - 2006.09.11 19:57:00 -
[130]
It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who gets annoyed when they brag about having 30,000 players online while we're all going through unendurable lag because of it.
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WhyOwhy
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:10:00 -
[131]
Same issues here
just started playing Eve 1 month ago. Due to an accident I had to stay home the last two weeks, so I had a lot of play time. Lag is getting worse each day after the last patch.
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Calynus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:11:00 -
[132]
You know, I quit WOW mostly for this very same reason back in January. Long queues to log in, unstable, laggy servers and boatloads of gold farmers/macroers were making the annoyance > the addiction.
Then I found EVE and life was good until "Dragon" came along.
Last night, I fired up my old WOW subscription, downloaded all my old mods and some new ones suggested by my old guildmates and put some long skills in training on EVE. I'm going to wait it out a little while and see if they can fix the problems they created.
If not, I might let my subscriptions lapse until they actually take some positive action to fix this mess. If they can't/won't fix it even then, I'll just quit entirely. I really hope they listen and make this a top priority over anything else before they lose people for good.
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Vulor
Beach Boys R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:16:00 -
[133]
signed.
Lag makes me wanna quit playing eve for some time. www.bydi.org |
Nick Skywalker
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:18:00 -
[134]
Signed EVE is broken, CCP please respond to this thread, its the least you can do!!!
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faldo
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:18:00 -
[135]
i think CCP has run out of excuses for there incompetency and have no more future upgrades planned to brush us of with. wish i never paid for long subs on my 4 accounts now :(
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Lord Amentia
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:20:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Lord Amentia on 11/09/2006 20:20:18 yes CCP needs to make a f****king statement. And to whoever said o.o was lag free: LOL, you must be some ninja mining carebear kinda type.
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Diatom
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:21:00 -
[137]
I agree totally. Lag is the #1 issue. I'm running a mission in Saila as I'm writing this. 81 peeps in local and I have a good 10sec wait to get my turrets to fire. I used to be able to run both of my accounts at the same time on a 52k dial-up. Now I just hope I don't lag out or the screen freeze up to the point that I CTD. CCP has to address this issue soon.
"If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there" |
d4rk s1de
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:25:00 -
[138]
Lag has cost me some ships, and is making me wanna train up bs lvl 5 until they fix it....hopefully soon, and I don't mean soon TM!
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Natas Dog
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Posted - 2006.09.11 20:36:00 -
[139]
/signed
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The Figurehead
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:05:00 -
[140]
/Signed
EVE is Broken
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Katya Guillaume
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Posted - 2006.09.12 00:34:00 -
[141]
I've recently moved my corp operations to Motsu/Aramachi/Saila and am very disappointed at my timing now - I don't know how Uemisaisen is anymore but the lag in our new region has killed 3 Ravens, two just this past weekend. I've got to now tell my corp pilots that I'll be taking a break from EVE, letting a long skill train, because missions are what we do together and the game is unplayable at this time. Really a shame but I see no other choice - CCP is going to lose 4-8 accounts for at least a month at a time. I'm all for supporting them, I love EVE, but I can't just throw my money away especially when there is zero response to this issue in the forums and the GM's are turning down reimbursement requests for ships lost due to lag - hey come on, we *pay* for this game, we lose ships due to server issues and *don't* get our virtual property back? What kind of BS is that?
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Rebecca Rocksteadian
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Posted - 2006.09.12 00:35:00 -
[142]
I just wanted my name added to the list. I too have had problems with lag and a corp mate lost a domi to it. Please do address this issue, because it's one that hurts the most.
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Flax Volcanus
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability
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Posted - 2006.09.12 01:04:00 -
[143]
Seems like every time I add my voice to one of these threads, the devs get sick of reading it and the whole thread gets deleted. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! Want to wager on whether this one disappears?
Anyway, quite bad again tonight, for my whole corp spread across 3 regions and 3 RL time zones. |
Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.12 02:02:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Flax Volcanus Seems like every time I add my voice to one of these threads, the devs get sick of reading it and the whole thread gets deleted. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! Want to wager on whether this one disappears?
Anyway, quite bad again tonight, for my whole corp spread across 3 regions and 3 RL time zones.
If my thread gets deleted. I'll be posting it back up again as soon as I see.
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Major Dim
Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.12 06:29:00 -
[145]
bump. CPP give us a comment please.
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Dunlin
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Posted - 2006.09.12 07:55:00 -
[146]
/signed /bump
This is what happens if you use a scripting language to extensively in a game, they just don't scale.
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Silver Sarena
Caldari Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.12 08:31:00 -
[147]
/signed *
* |
Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.12 08:31:00 -
[148]
/signed *
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Serenity Frye
Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.12 12:41:00 -
[149]
/signed
Quote: Secondly advanced drone interfacing modules can only be fitted to titans.
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Maenia Gracilis
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Posted - 2006.09.12 12:50:00 -
[150]
Didn't this topic start in General Discussion? Too embarrassing on the popular forum, so lets bury it here, eh?
Actually, I don't have the problems with lag that are expressed above. However, that's very possibly just luck, and my luck might run out. Therefore, it would be nice to see the other posters seemingly perfectly legitimate concerns addressed, or otherwise explained.
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Scoobac
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.12 12:56:00 -
[151]
Bump.. Please stop the lag :(
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Debbee
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Posted - 2006.09.12 15:33:00 -
[152]
"CCP, the makers of the sci-fi MMORPG EVE Online, announced on Friday that they were now the proud owners of the ôlargest supercomputer cluster in the history of the gaming industryö. This announcement comes on the heels of the recent news that the game broke 30,000 peak concurrent users. Clearly CCP sees more growth in the future for their already popular game." - www.mmorpg.com newsletter
sorry but it seems not funny to me that the lagg and fact that noone is able to do anything ingame is not mentioned in the text. seems your "supercomputer cluster" is not enough and you really need to fix the code. plz do something about it, FAST
and btw indeed ccp needs to talk to its community. give us a statement at least
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Dnaltrop Nogero
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Posted - 2006.09.12 16:04:00 -
[153]
To all the people who are complaining that there was no response. there was one a few days ago.
A very short, nondescriptive answer from sharkbait, and mention of a Hotfix tuesday (today).
I've got it quoted deeper inside this very post if you look for it.
So technically, they DID reply, it's not as much as many of us would like... but it's SOMETHING.
Keep the posts constructive, consider it a challenge. It's not like you can run missions instead of compose posts.
Haiku anyone?
Lag in my System I'll sleep while my escrow loads, Then go wax my ship ~~~~ Men often decieve themselves in believing that by humility, they can overcome insolence. She's not your satellite, she doesn't miss you.
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Curzon Dax
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.12 16:06:00 -
[154]
Let me preface with this:
First, I'm not a "fanboy." I've largely kept away from the forums.
Second, all of you whiners REALLY need to read the dev blog. I've seen a lot of posts on this thread that "the devs owe us a response!" Well, if you were to read the dev blog, there IS your response. They said that they read the forums, they have no doubt read this one, but if they spent their time answering the duplicitous requests of players, they would simply have no time to actually get any work done. Very occasionally they post, but that's it. In fact, the dev blog even worked out the proportion of time spent on the forums to the rest of their working day. I think it was about an hour of forum time?
Third, I keep seeing "Fix content before creating new content!" How many times do the devs have to say that those are COMPLETELY and SEPARATE teams? There is no link between the content developers and the bug fixers; it wouldn't do any good to stop content development to bug fix.
Fourth, that's my point for CCP, should anyone read this. There's an inherent problem in your approach to content development. The very fact that you DO have separate teams. Your right hand is making plans for the left hand to execute without communicating intent back and forth. For all we know, your bug-fixing team is paying off your content development team to continue creating crappy code so they stay in a job. The folks posting here are right, even if they communicate it wrong.
Yes, we get that you have different teams for content and bug-fixing. The problem is simple:
The content team is creating and implementing erroneous code proportionally faster than the bug-team can fix them.
Hence, problems are increasingly cropping up. It is *not* business-savvy to have two independent departments working on the same end-product.
The solution: Tell the content coders to shape up or ship out. Delivering a sub-standard product is simply unacceptable. Alternatively, take them off of content development and MERGE TEAMS. Yeah, we get it. You have different teams. However, the point "Fix what we have before you implement new stuff" is a valid point, even if you don't agree with its presentation.
When months and years old issues get fixed.when mechanics work as intended.when I can count on the game doing what its supposed to do.THEN turn around and surprise us with new material. Take an example from WoW. Or EQ2. Or any other MMO.
What part of the game works the best? The low end stuff, and the server itself. High end content is always going to be buggy and in development, but the percentage of players "playing and testing it" will always be a minority. What NEEDS to work is basic mechanics. Potential customers show up to the game, take a peek around, get a feel for the basics, meet their first player contacts, do a couple missions, make some ISK, and decide whether to upgrade to a real account. They MUST have a good playing experience to stay. Right now, they are logging into loading screens, getting stuck, seeing local full of angry lagfest talk, and promptly uninstalling Eve. We NEED them. Who cares if 5 years down the road they scream and gripe that their Tech2 Titan turns like a fat cow and can't insta-warp to blah blah. You've got them hooked after that kind of investment. You need BASIC serviceability to grab and hold new people's attention.
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Mordoc
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.12 16:47:00 -
[155]
What really gets me is that Dev's will not respond to this or other important threads, but they will respond to stupid threads, and sticky them. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=394529
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Shadowpawn
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Posted - 2006.09.12 17:17:00 -
[156]
Curzon , if they are answering , why do I and many other people have petitions that have been in for over a month now??? Seems that CCP is more interetsed in saying they broke the X limit online at one time instead of fixing their product that at times is unplayable?? When the server comes down like 4 times in 1 day , there is a PROBLEM . And no im not whining . I am protesting . AS I just stated in an email to them . I will not be continueing my subscription until they make the product I'm paying for playable . My approach is that if everyone who can not play stops paying them , they will have to fix it.
Shads
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.12 17:18:00 -
[157]
I haven't called for CCP to stop developing new content, but to stop introducing it to the server in patch after patch while we still have this serious lag issue to deal with, as these patches and new content have been making the issue noticeably worse.
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KeepItSimple
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Posted - 2006.09.12 17:35:00 -
[158]
/signed
I miss the big fleet engagements with tolerable lag. Now, lag is a pain even in small gangs. Recently, I was in a 40-50 man gang and we lag warped all over the place after each system jump, even with staggered jumping.
I love this game, been here for nearly 2 years, but the lag thing is very annoying. I'm at the point of setting real long skill training and hope for better times to come.
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T'Karr
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Posted - 2006.09.12 18:05:00 -
[159]
I have lost a couple of BC's from lag recently, maybe I should start petitioning to have them replaced.
Fix the lag please.
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Mad Scot
Amarr Romarrian Empire Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.12 18:36:00 -
[160]
Been playing for a little over 2 years now and having lost some serious kit to lag at the weekend, am setting a few weeks skill on ( by which time I MAY have an answer) and I know the routine about devs not answering every post but sureley in such a pressing matter they should publicly acknowledge the problem instead of going on about Player records.
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Runsha
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Posted - 2006.09.12 18:45:00 -
[161]
Ok.. I have lag. I have moved to lower traffic systems twice to escape it. But it seems that so is everyone else or the lag is gobbling more and more systems as it goes cause I keep having to hunt for agents in lower and lower traffic systems. This screws up my buildingup LPs with a single agent and makes most of the higher quality ones unavailable due to lag. (Took over 5 minutes to undock in Aramachi two days ago.) And I understand all the blah blah blah about seperate teams and not beingf able to reply to every thread and all that. What I want to know is Why this horrible lag ISN'T EVEN A LISTED KNOWN ISSUE???? Dont believe me look for yourself: http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp
Looking at these known issues tells me that CCP is seemingly unaware of a problem. If they are aware of it (which after countless bug reports, threads, and petitions they should be) then at least list it as a known issue and let us know you are even in the same universe. That is after all the purpose that page was advertised as having.
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Copperjet
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Posted - 2006.09.12 20:08:00 -
[162]
I'm afraid you won't be seeing this player online until this gets sorted out - it's a real issue that is making my game unplayable. Like the OP, I too have a decent connection; modules take forever to activate, then won't deactivate, and also suffer random dropouts of one account but not the other.
Something has gone seriously wrong - please tell your player base you are aware of it, and what you are doing about it. Until then, I think you'll lose players - both the older ones, and some of those new ones who helped break the 30K barrier, as they discover a substandard expereince awaits them.
Please fix it, as this is THE online game I play - I'd hate to have to look for another one :/
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Cown
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.12 20:45:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Curzon Dax Let me preface with this:
First, I'm not a "fanboy." I've largely kept away from the forums.
Second, all of you whiners REALLY need to read the dev blog. I've seen a lot of posts on this thread that "the devs owe us a response!" Well, if you were to read the dev blog, there IS your response. They said that they read the forums, they have no doubt read this one, but if they spent their time answering the duplicitous requests of players, they would simply have no time to actually get any work done. Very occasionally they post, but that's it. In fact, the dev blog even worked out the proportion of time spent on the forums to the rest of their working day. I think it was about an hour of forum time?
Third, I keep seeing "Fix content before creating new content!" How many times do the devs have to say that those are COMPLETELY and SEPARATE teams? There is no link between the content developers and the bug fixers; it wouldn't do any good to stop content development to bug fix.
Fourth, that's my point for CCP, should anyone read this. There's an inherent problem in your approach to content development. The very fact that you DO have separate teams. Your right hand is making plans for the left hand to execute without communicating intent back and forth. For all we know, your bug-fixing team is paying off your content development team to continue creating crappy code so they stay in a job. The folks posting here are right, even if they communicate it wrong.
Yes, we get that you have different teams for content and bug-fixing. The problem is simple:
The content team is creating and implementing erroneous code proportionally faster than the bug-team can fix them.
Hence, problems are increasingly cropping up. It is *not* business-savvy to have two independent departments working on the same end-product.
The solution: Tell the content coders to shape up or ship out. Delivering a sub-standard product is simply unacceptable. Alternatively, take them off of content development and MERGE TEAMS. Yeah, we get it. You have different teams. However, the point "Fix what we have before you implement new stuff" is a valid point, even if you don't agree with its presentation.
When months and years old issues get fixed.when mechanics work as intended.when I can count on the game doing what its supposed to do.THEN turn around and surprise us with new material. Take an example from WoW. Or EQ2. Or any other MMO.
What part of the game works the best? The low end stuff, and the server itself. High end content is always going to be buggy and in development, but the percentage of players "playing and testing it" will always be a minority. What NEEDS to work is basic mechanics. Potential customers show up to the game, take a peek around, get a feel for the basics, meet their first player contacts, do a couple missions, make some ISK, and decide whether to upgrade to a real account. They MUST have a good playing experience to stay. Right now, they are logging into loading screens, getting stuck, seeing local full of angry lagfest talk, and promptly uninstalling Eve. We NEED them. Who cares if 5 years down the road they scream and gripe that their Tech2 Titan turns like a fat cow and can't insta-warp to blah blah. You've got them hooked after that kind of investment. You need BASIC serviceability to grab and hold new people's attention.
Stop sounding like a smartass, i pay for this game and i want to be able to enjoy it and play it without any problems. It's CCPs job to satisfy their players by making the game run flawlessly - end of discussion.
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NurofenMiner
Amarr Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.12 21:29:00 -
[164]
Funny how we've had no CCP response over this issue, even though its been apparent for several days (if not weeks) now. Quite lacking when you consider that 'EVE Constantly monitors the forums to make sure all its customers are satisfied with the game' - or at least they say they do. Btw the Dev blog might as well be written on 100% recycled toilet paper for all its worth.
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Revan Ano
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Posted - 2006.09.12 21:32:00 -
[165]
The lag and disconnect issue is not jsut in systems with 40 + players. I been running missions in Ivar. If the Mission is in the system with around 20 it's fine but I draw a mission into a deadspace zone... bam lag and disconnects.
I have run ping rate programs taht CCP said to do and have no issues with any other internet operations. Yet the problem has been getting worse over the past two to three months.
CCP slow down on releasing new code and fix what's in use. We would rather have a playable game that maintains our fun than get new releases.
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Apedrape
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Posted - 2006.09.12 21:39:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Aped*****on 12/09/2006 21:39:44 All I can say is DITTO. Lag is bad And I'm getting disconnects quite often. Mining is right out, so is deploying drones, ratting, missions....
I've been playing since the beginning of March and I've not had one problem up untill the Dragon patch.
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Bradstone
BRADNETT
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Posted - 2006.09.12 22:02:00 -
[167]
Hurry to the people who have spoken out!
I am also in Aramachi and was doing the same mission as Dark Motoko. It was so bad that people started to get stuck, so in my worry, not only for myself but for my fellow local population, I loaded the help channel and asked nicely if there was a GM that could investigate the number of stuck reports and the massive lag issue. And guess what? I had a reply from someone with a disgustful attitude saying I could not read the signs saying "Don't talk about lag" (say in Childs voice if you please) and other abusive comments.
All I had done was ask a question as the game was becoming unplayable. I wasn't thinking about myself I was thinking about other people! We are paying monthly for the right to voice our opinions and I disgusted that someone I don't even know has the nerve to start being abusive.
Since this incident, I have tried to continue playing, but to no anvil. ItÆs all well and good that 30,000 people + are online, but it would be nice if these 30,000 people could "play" online to.
Eve is becoming the worldÆs most complicated messenger and chat program.
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Spix 'UK
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Posted - 2006.09.12 23:17:00 -
[168]
Was only 4months ago we was at 15k players.. all was fine.. now were at 30k..& the Game is just a joke.. even systems with 50 players are lagging to hell, CCP with all the money were throwin at you.. cant you just double up on ur server.. or you more interested in China...
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.12 23:53:00 -
[169]
/signed
Massive Multiplayer?
The fact we pay you ppl for this quality of service is starting to get kinda rediculous. Plz, at the very least, toss us a comment and let us know this is a priority for you.
*rant on
Over two years and still playing, but as I look back on the years I realize myself, my corp, my allies and my enemies (past and present) all bust our asses to build the fleets and organizations to fuel the best ships / structures in the game.
All in hopes of forming these massive, awsome fleets, brutal engagements, epic battles for control of regions, etc.... and its all for what? To realize that the game doesn't support it
Why would I want to field a dread if i'm only going to get a frame-by-frame of the action and in the end the winner may well be decided on a coin toss?
Why would an alliance want to bust their asses for a titan? (outside of bragging rights). You know damn well the fleets intended to be launched with them cannot be fielded on these servers.
Why would ppl want to keep playing this game? This one i'll answer.. cause we really really hope you ppl at CCP are on top of this. We hope you have a strategy to combat this and that you're as committed to providing satisfying gameplay for 30K users are you were to reaching that 30k mark.
rant off. flame on.
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Alangiv
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Posted - 2006.09.13 00:17:00 -
[170]
Oh geez, I log into EVE and get a great headline about how some "New Jump Drive Prototype Fails". What the hell? How about "We are aware of the severe playability issues and are planning to address them."?
I don't care for silly side stories! What about the real issues? This game is in need of some serious fixin! Can I say it loud enough: LAG, DELAYS, UNRESPONSIVENESS and ERRORS!
Will someone from CCP please respond to this?
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Wraithbane
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Posted - 2006.09.13 04:18:00 -
[171]
The MOTD in the help channel is insulting. Especially considering that we've now gone a week with no news on the lag and discon issues. Who ever is responsible for it, should have at least a talking to. I'd really hate to think that CCP is taking the same attitude towards their players, that SOE and Blizzard do. Clear and timely communication is the key to maintaining community good will during times of trouble. That good will is literally priceless during times like these. It wouldn't take that much to have a few words of update, from someone high enough in CCP to have the real time information.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.13 07:11:00 -
[172]
/signed
Complained about it in a different thread, complaining about it here.
If we could organize a mass account cancellation/suspension, then it would hit CCP in the pocketbook and force them to respond.
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Sly Raver
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Posted - 2006.09.13 08:47:00 -
[173]
i have already cancelled my subscription and am thinking about auctioning my player
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Iona Saldana
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Posted - 2006.09.13 09:31:00 -
[174]
LAG = Dragon, nothing to do with the servers, they are mighty meaty indeed, and have been in place for quite a while. Sounds like a lack of communication between the Dev & Test side of things, at least we haven't had to resort to a rollback as of yet, which has happened so many times in other MMOs i've been a part of.
Some code was introduced during the last major patch that has caused everything to fall over - lets hope they find it soon.
re Petitions - support has nothing to do with the Devs, nor should it. If they are overwhelmed then staff numbers DO need to be looked at, even if you haul in a few contractors for a couple of months. *****ing about it isn't going to help.
A lot of these comments here imply CCP are sitting on their arses counting piles of cash as it comes flooding in. if this were the case why did they splash out on the massive amount of Blades they did a few months back....give them a break.
Yeah there are issues, but they will get sorted no doubt. If they don't, we all find another game - simple as. We know that, they know that, and will be more than aware that if subscription numbers drop to the extreme then they all will be looking for more work.
Chill out - **** happens. Give them time and it'll get sorted. If you can't do missions cos of lag, do something else.
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Dumus
Amarr Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.13 11:15:00 -
[175]
Not much need to repeat what others have said except;
Signed ---------------------------
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Tecam Hund
Minmatar The Buggers
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Posted - 2006.09.13 11:24:00 -
[176]
/signed
This is the first time I complain about lag in one and a half years of EVE, but its getting pretty bad and it has lasted for weeks without any improvement.
Its understandable to have some lag in densely populated agent running systems (not to this extend though), but me and two corpmates went out on a little pvp trawl through poorly populated low security systems yesterday. One of us experienced 10+ seconds delays on module activation. Wasn't so bad for me, but it would take several attempts to warp and we would arrive 2-3 times at the same gate "warping" back and forth. I really can't think of anything more simple to do until the lag is fixed, except maybe for mining, but whats the point of doing something you don't enjoy in a game.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.13 11:49:00 -
[177]
Just to backup Iona's comments - Lag is not the problem boys.
It's all client side design flaws and bugs; nothing to do with network traffic or the servers. I'll add that lag, even in those rare times it's apparent, is generally not a problem in Eve because of the managerial way the game operates.
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MellaRinn
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.13 11:53:00 -
[178]
Sadly, the OP is right. It is impossible to even switch chat channels without a lag, browse market - takes 10 seconds to refresh any item clicked, bring up the buy/sell window, etc...
Not to mention PvP is extremely jerky... Last night, for example, my frigate travelled 150km out after a 4km orbit order (speed was 4km/s)...
Anyway, the issues with the interface loading up EVERY window you open like it was escrow are really bad...
Also, while we are at it, can you please bring back the ability to enable Autopilot while inside station using the shortcut? It used to save me a lot of attention, as my alt could just undock and AP with two button presses in succession... now i need to actually pay attention to it until it undocks... :S
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.13 11:55:00 -
[179]
"Engine Stutter" would be a reasonable name for it.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.13 11:57:00 -
[180]
Or "Client Stutter"
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Radeberger
Caldari Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.13 12:28:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Radeberger on 13/09/2006 12:28:29 Grr.... i hate this too.... CCP pull your act together, this lag is unbearable... Throw those useless "YARRSTERS" out of the threadmill and let oveur take it over. Rodent Powa (TM) is not enough for this we need Beer Powa (TM).
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Don Mavro
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Posted - 2006.09.13 15:55:00 -
[182]
/me signed. Fix this damn lag!!!
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Uncarian
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Posted - 2006.09.13 16:10:00 -
[183]
I agree, haven't played this game since before the summer vacation. Then it was okay, except abit laggy on sunday evenings. Now I notice its bollox laggy all the time, regardless. No need to boast about 30k users at the same time, when all they can do is sit in their spaceships and look at the sun.
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Francis Hemlock
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Posted - 2006.09.13 16:11:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Grez I have no lag down in Stain ... Or anywhere else for that matter, maybe you should stay off contested nodes...
Thats a load of crap! I'm in your area and I can tell you that as more people log in on the US side the lag gets worse. I try to play in the AM CST as by Evening CST it really sucks, and yesterday I counted a whole 6 people in my system.
I'm sure that you posted what you did in order to sound more superior than others, but in the long run all you did was sound like a Dee Dee Dee.....
BTW: I have been playing WOW for over a year now, more Bandwith intensive, more CPU intensive and more graphic Intensive, with no issues at all. This lag issue is due to a extensive usage of system CPU due to poor codeing. I have watched my CPU stay at 100% and the lag is due to additional CPU usage needed and my system cannot provide it at that second. Kinda sucks since I have a 3G Processor....
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Shadowpawn
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Posted - 2006.09.13 17:09:00 -
[185]
ok an update on my status .
THEY have replaced my Brutix petition dated 8/26/06 finally this am . I have not checked if they replaced the items too yet since they say SOME of the mods and items on board the ship may be permantly lost and they took back the insurance money , so I very well may be in the hole isk right now .
Now Im waiting on my petition dated 9/10 for a Brutix and a retreiver lost during a nice lag-warp death scene.
And I will not be turning on either account until I hear from yall the lag issue is fix and game can be played.
Shads
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Synderella
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Posted - 2006.09.13 19:16:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Synderella on 13/09/2006 19:18:53 More lag means less people risking running missions/ratting/PVP. Their income suffers as a result. High-profile rare module loot drops dry up on the market.
Less missions/ratting/PVP means less people are losing ships. Lower ship loses means that sellers suddenly have the rug pulled out from underneath them and are forced to watch inventory pile up and cut each other's throats in desperation to try to sell. When that fails, they stop buying minerals or start paying a lot less because they have huge stockpiles that they can't move. Manufacturers suffer too.
No/lower mineral purchases means miners aren't getting paid, or are getting a lot less ISK than normal, hurting them also.
etc,etc,etc
So, CCP, this lag is doing more than just annoying some people, I'm actually seeing it hurt the in-game economy, mainly my shipbuilding business, but also other manufacturers as well and miners. If it gets worse or more people just get fed up and quit over the lagfest that is "Dragon", the market is going to suffer even worse than it seems to be right now and people like me are going to get fed up and stop manufacturing/mining.
I'm not trying to whine, just point out that situations like this have a cascading effect on people that don't do intensive activities like combat and thus aren't as impacted by the current problems. It hurts EVERYONE.
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4rc4ng3L
Gallente DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.13 21:24:00 -
[187]
Signed!
Agree with most of the above. I love eve, dont get me wrong... but these issues need to be addressed. Its the first time ever in all my eve time that i feel sometimes id rather not be playing because of it.
I understand that its not easy work for you to sort it all out and easily fix all the bugs, so im not complaining, just voicing a concern...
Make my eve healthy again
Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live... |
Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.13 22:37:00 -
[188]
My favorite thing about the dev blogs was people were *****ing about fixing the game stability-wise before adding content or ****ing with the coding. The response: "We're ****ing with everything in order to fix everything! Duh!" So they implement dragon, and it introduces bugs left and right, and virtually destroys playability.... and there's no roll back, OR acknowledgement that Dragon screwed up the game. And to those that consider a "We want to reply to all the posts, but we don't because not everyone reads the forums" to be a valid response to our complaints.... they could be referring to any one of numerous posts. Not to mention it's flawed logic. Not everyone reads the forums, but everyone reads the dev blogs? Hardly. A real acknowledgement would be a news item. EVERYONE sees those, whether they read them in depth or not.
I don't understand why a lot of these companies have such problems acknowledging their mistakes. They have HORRIBLE PR. Like SOE/SWG. MOST of the player base left after their NGE a year ago, and now (too little, too late) they're starting to feed back in some of the features they got rid of in the name of "fun" back then.
CCP seems to think that by ignoring the problem long enough, people will forget there's lag. We won't. We'll 'forget' to renew our subs. All that would have to happen would be for them to say "Hey, we're completely aware of the lag/playability issues people are having, and we're working on it. If we can't clear it up or make it better in a few weeks, then we'll roll it back and try again later once we clean up the code." But it's almost like they're refuisng to admit to any mistakes they have made, which is really unfortunate, because we all know there are now myriad issues introduced in this new code that didn't exist before.
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Edu Journeyman
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:59:00 -
[189]
This is what happened few minutes ago:
When I realized that the lag whas already in effect, after, maybe, 5 seconds, I started to try to activate my shield booster... I was doing Guristas Spies Lvl 4, BTW:
2006.09.14 00:19:56 Notify An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed. 2006.09.14 00:20:04 Notify An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed. 2006.09.14 00:20:11 Notify An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed.
Note that were 15 seconds (in the Log, more other 5 till I started to try)...
I'm wondering why the Devs or any of CCP staff still ignore all these posts and threads... remind me of an MMO I was playing that was sold for a big company and almost half of the player base quit in that process of being ignored, was a free MMO, BTW, will not name it here cuz I think is not allowed, but some of the players guessed wich one I'm talking about.
About the options of the Devs not reading the posts, I can assure they are reading and replying, just look any other thread that is not related with this critical issues we are all suffering.
Still waiting, not playing, but waiting...
Be your journeys long and prosperous. Treat the others as you like to be treated. Rude and fool are enemies. |
Cown
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.14 06:00:00 -
[190]
CCP dont make me come to that Fanfest and annoy you by asking about the lag all the time
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Niraco79
Gallente Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.09.14 06:41:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Niraco79 on 14/09/2006 06:41:55 /signed
They forgot the KISS rule : Keep It Stupid Simple!
each new customer add not 1 new operation on server side but the growth is exponential. So I really think the problems reside in code and database transfers limitations.
Simplify the database. Start with POS code (why is lag when load an empty POS - what is wrong with code there - especially when pos has hardeners or EW structure), continue with Boomarks (we really don`t need them in grids, ss bm`s could remain - every 0.0 char has the gate to gate bm or have a mwd frig - just put limitations on autopilot no autopilot at 0km warp). These 2 and u will make database much cleaner. ________________ THE MEGA NOOB |
Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2006.09.14 07:11:00 -
[192]
I'm also signing on to this.
And folks, there are ways to get CCP's attention politely and without quitting the game forever.
Here's an idea: Every person who feels strongly about this issue should add a line to their sig that reads something like this: "CCP: Until the present raft of serious bugs is addressed, please commit to a daily update of the MOTD listing what is being done to address these issues." If enogh people constantly, politely, and firmly request more information, I think CCP will get the idea. This has the additional benefit of allowing you to not feel silly when you threaten to quit the game even though you don't intend to; or, worse, hurting CCP by actually quitting the game.
On a more topical note: I have an interesting new client bug: occasionally, posts by other players in local or in the corp chat room cuase my client to minimize to the taskbar. How does that even happen?
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DOGNOSH
Minmatar SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2006.09.14 07:36:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Kernel Sander
On a more topical note: I have an interesting new client bug: occasionally, posts by other players in local or in the corp chat room cuase my client to minimize to the taskbar. How does that even happen?
wierd,me too,but it only ever happens once after i log on,and i can never tell why
mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH
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Ereshkigali
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Posted - 2006.09.14 12:07:00 -
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/signed
Originally by: Cown CCP dont make me come to that Fanfest and annoy you by asking about the lag all the time
hey... now you've got a good idea there.... what's a party without a little 'mixin it up'? only $79 USD?
/me ponders
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Zibun Ionic
Minmatar Cloaca Maxima
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Posted - 2006.09.14 13:12:00 -
[195]
/signed
Well, client keeps crashing, server keeps crashing, no answers to petitions and helluva more of freaking annoying things.
If ANY of above isn't fixed by the end of the week, suscription cancelled for me.
-v
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Taedrin
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Posted - 2006.09.14 14:13:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Francis Hemlock
BTW: I have been playing WOW for over a year now, more Bandwith intensive, more CPU intensive and more graphic Intensive, with no issues at all. This lag issue is due to a extensive usage of system CPU due to poor codeing. I have watched my CPU stay at 100% and the lag is due to additional CPU usage needed and my system cannot provide it at that second. Kinda sucks since I have a 3G Processor....
I heard that EVE always uses up all remaining CPU cycles, no matter how good your system is. AFAIK this is either because they don't but a limit to the number of frames that the client draws per second (the game always runs as fast as it can), or perhaps they are running a SETI@home client hidden inside the main EVE executable (or someother parallel computing application). Who knows.
Anyways, on to the main problem at hand. I can personally say that I have never experienced this sort of lag in the past few months. Also, I don't hear people in my corp or local chat complaining about lag either. Therefore this is not a server-wide issue. Therefore it goes to say that it is not true when you make the claim that EVERYONE is experiencing this lag, or even that more than 50% of all players are experiencing this lag. However, it is obvious that a very large portion of the player base is effected by this lag. What I'm trying to say here, is to please not blow the problem out of proportion - its a big problem, but it's not server-wide.
The lag seems to be concentrated in certain nodes. Furthermore, it seems to me that all the reports of the lag seem to indicate that NPC ships are having no problem locking on to players, and dealing damage to said players. This suggests that the problem is with the client sending data to the server, and the server recieving this data correctly. So this means that there are a few obvious solutions:
- CCP could rebalance which systems are hosted by which nodes, or perhaps rework to algorithm which chooses which systems are handled by which nodes to help balance the lag all out.
- CCP could give up on the idea of having the entire game hosted on a single shard. Build a server in the US, and force the US players to use the US server. Smaller, more numerous servers are also probably much more cost effective than just using one really BIG server.
- CCP could trouble shoot connections. Try to find out where the packet loss/bottleneck is. Is it a hardware problem? Or a software problem? Perhaps the congested nodes aren't spending enough CPU cycles for catching and processing data packets?
- CCP could do nothing, and wait for enough players to leave to lessen the load on the server
I myself would probably prefer the first and third options, but I suppose the 4th option would be OK by me too if CCP *really* wanted to do that...
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Don Mavro
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Posted - 2006.09.14 14:42:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Taedrin
- CCP could rebalance which systems are hosted by which nodes, or perhaps rework to algorithm which chooses which systems are handled by which nodes to help balance the lag all out.
They use static allocation of nodes after dt.
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XXJackXX
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Posted - 2006.09.14 14:57:00 -
[198]
this is really nice game till u push undock button then starts that really bad lag.i'm paying to play this game but if this'll happen like this why im paying
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tinkerrrr
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Posted - 2006.09.14 16:11:00 -
[199]
ops all these posts of mine and not one /signed!
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zeus78
Bravehearts
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Posted - 2006.09.14 18:02:00 -
[200]
Ok I for one am shocked that CCP has not replyed back yet. In the 2 years I have been playing this I have only had 1 thing bad to say about CCP and that was a nerf. But I agree with everyone the lag is so bad I hardly want to play. STOP with the content updates and just stream line the game. Not sure about everone else but I rather play the game then go "OOOOO look at the new stuff.....CRASH". It is bad when it takes alot of client hardware to off set some of the lag.
My 2 cents
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codemaster28
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.14 18:47:00 -
[201]
I have to agree with all the posters in this topic about the lag & lack of ccp doing anything about it. Yes well done ccp you have managed to get 30k users online at onetime but what about the other side of the coin
Players lagging 20+ seconds Client crashes Unplayable missions Lowest fps (frames per second) MMO No duelcore cpu support No Sli support Is there any support
I do hope ccp is reading this next part
My pc system specs :- Mobo = Abit AN8 x32 sli CPU = AMD X2 4800+ MEM = Corsair PC3500LL Pro Graphics = 2x BFG 7900GT oc (in sli) HDD = WD raptor 150GB
Total cost = ú2100 (when built)
Now im no stranger to pc parts / connections / overclocking / etc , but eve-online is the slowest & lag infested game since the new patches. I can play F.E.A.R , BF2 , Oblivion , X2 reunion , Far Cry , TOCA 3 , and pretty much any other highend graphical game without any problem. connection issues since patch. low fps Yes i understand that 30k users on any cluster will cause lag, this is only to be expected but the lag isnt the only issue eve is having, dont believe me go check out the other posts people have put up and judge for yourself. So far i have lost an astarte to a lvl 4 mission with a friend using my alt account and yes i petitioned it and no reply yet from ccp. I now refuse to do any lvl 4 missions while there are over 20k users online at once due to delays / lag / connection drops (server boots).
Iam starting to wonder if ccp care about its player base opinions anymore or are they just worried about how much money they make, 7 pages in this thread and still no reply from a ISD or DEV, kinda makes you wonder doesnt it
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Mordoc
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.14 19:53:00 -
[202]
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DDemon
The Order of Chivalry
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Posted - 2006.09.14 20:01:00 -
[203]
Edited by: DDemon on 14/09/2006 20:01:01 I also aint doing any lvl 4 missions right now, As I do not want to loose another ship to lag and get another Destroyer reimbursed instead of the BS I lost... tbh, I have been sat docked for the past few weeks chatting in corp chat/local, And logged shortly after again in hopes it would be better the next day... well.. it wasnt.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.09.14 22:49:00 -
[204]
Game is unplayable now. I tried to run some missions in Tamo but with modules activate time around 20s it's very dangerous and annoying. Docking/undocking takes ages (about minute).
Add to this problems introduced by last patch (many bugs, poor FPS - much worse than before) and for a first time in my almost 2 years EVE history I am considering giving this game a break. Maybe I should start some long skill and check after a month or two if things improved. Maybe after Kali...
CCP, you should consider stopping Kali deployment/developmnent and sort this lag and bugs. You can't tell people to wait for Kali. Well, unless you are going to stop charging us for the whole time to Kali release.
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Dyner
Minmatar M3rcs Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.14 23:43:00 -
[205]
i surmise the lag is due to the servers reaching their limits; CCP may want to get additional servers as the player bases increases ---------------------------------------------------
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Nathanial Victor
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Posted - 2006.09.14 23:48:00 -
[206]
almost 7 thousand views to this thread.
"you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink"
you = us
horse = CCP
water = development priorities
drink = fix our fraking game!!!!!
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Nathanial Victor
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Posted - 2006.09.14 23:49:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Dyner i surmise the lag is due to the servers reaching their limits; CCP may want to get additional servers as the player bases increases
maybe they shipped half the servers to asia
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Timura
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Posted - 2006.09.15 04:11:00 -
[208]
LOL!! The Part i especially like, is the complete LACK of any response to this now 7-Page Thread...
CCP, Not only is your game becoming so unplayable that it's not worth my money, but your customer service, frankly, sucks...
I've been playing this game since Late beta (off and on), and i can HONESTLY say, that lately, i've been getting the vibe, that you don't care about your player base...and if that's the case, i'd wish you just come out and say it, so i can stop wasting my money and time on your product...
Let me put it in terms you might understand: Say you walk into a restraunt, and you order something. It comes out to 1 and a half hours after you ordered it AND its all frozen still....cept the Corn, it's luke warm.
NOW you wanna complain...but Low and behold, your server....isn't anywhere to be found (Forum Devs). But say you FINALLY get someone, and this what they say "The Oven is probably under cooking things, but rather than looking into it or maybe getting someone to fix it, we're just going to build one of our own, and hope it works right. In the meantime, just keep coming back and hope that one of the times, it'll be working." ....would you pay? Would you come back? i wouldn't....and i WON"T not anymore...
It took 30seconds to FIRE a missile today in my mission, just one missile. After waiting for my shield booster to FINALLY kick in...i decided to try and start warping out earlier (i'm a quick learner). But what's this? I CAN"T GET MY NAV MENU UP. So there i am....STILL waiting for my booster to kick on while my armor is getting drilled into...I managed to warp out finally with 17% of my armor left....and i think i got maybe 2 or 3 rounds of missiles off?
FIX IT
Sorry for the long winded rant, but this is crap.
CCP, FIX CURRENT PROBLEMS BEFORE ADDING MORE OF THEM. Don't expect this game to last too much longer...Also, HIRE NEW WEB DEVS I want a GOOD reason why a 7-page Thread hasn't been answered by anyone....has it even been looked at? i think not. PAY ATTENTION TO US Not just US as in this post, but US as in the people PAYING you for an product that's been half assed. Fix your Login Problem with the test server so people can actually get in there and maybe HELP?
If this is how you plan on running your game, i can PROMISE you, The people in this thread won't be the only ones to leave....I'm curious how many people have already given up. If this isn't corrected soon, I'll take my money elsewhere.
Sorry for the Horrible grammer, but i'm too mad to care at this point.
If you feel like ranting to someone, rant to me thru Eve-Mail, i honestly don't mind, unlike certain people you can be sure i'll actually read it.
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Oshir
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Posted - 2006.09.15 08:20:00 -
[209]
This new patch is outrageous..all above statements are on the money. Since the patch i start playing again and all i can say is wtf...Why The Frustration...i start to create a new char and the server crashes...not only does it crash but i cant get into my account for 5 days...and then when i finally do everytime i dock/undock ,jump through a gate, sneeze or blink i lose connection ....and when i try to reconnect it teases me by going to the end of the character load bar and then crashes...8 times!!...urg...problems problems...its ridonkulus...and this is only my first couple weeks of playing....my petitions go unanswered or are repiled with "duuuuh delete the cache duuuh". i just read all 7 pages of this post cause i cant get back on to my account..and i hear ppl talk about "boohoo these things happen..they'll fix it..give them sometime...if not play another game".......are you serious..ppl have invested years of time into this game...its not so easy to just give it up cause the lag is bad..and just waiting till this is fixed by setting a long skill doesnt help...do you think they care...one less player online...one less voice on this forum..but still another dollar in the pocket cause you're still paying for this "service"...FIX IT!...if i wanted to pay $15 a month to get angry id join an mmog when a patch comes out that ruins the game.....wait...i did!...and now all im paying for is unanswered patience and the patches of hair ive torn out of my head are irreplacable...if this continues , cancellation is my only option
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Tjarish
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.15 09:47:00 -
[210]
signet ______________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward.
Whoever cannot take care of imself without that law is both.
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Trell Asaker
Caldari Redemption EnterpriseS
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Posted - 2006.09.15 10:42:00 -
[211]
I've been couple of time lagged so badly while jumping to a new system that I have had the automatic emergency warp - end up 1 million kilometers off the gate after jump - which has been nice since there has been gate camps :) Also I have detected game getting slower, modules reacting slower, handling items in stations, market... I have a proposal to all players, CLEAN UP YOUR HANGARS! I don't know how much it is going to help but since we (the players) keep whining that something needs to be done we could atleast do something little ourselves. Reprocess all the stuff lying around and do something with the minerals. =) (you really don't need those piles of light lasers and 75mm gatling rails???)
Oh... Signed
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Hunter GlobaGateways
Caldari The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2006.09.15 11:20:00 -
[212]
signed
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Enkilil
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Posted - 2006.09.15 11:53:00 -
[213]
Just as an addition to the earlier response I made... I had 2 people who I've literaly known for years (IRL) try out Eve-Online a few months ago (i did nothing but gush about how cool the game was, so they checked it out).... both of them were instantly hooked. In the last 2 weeks, both of them decided to stop subscribing. I asked one of them via msn yesterday why he stopped playing and his response was 'ahhh my connection dropped all the time, and it was really laggy and buggy. cool LOOKING game but it's just too much hassle to pay for a game that kept dropping me' The other person was crashing to desktop every 2 minutes, couldn't get a response to a petition and couldn't get anyone to answer her from tech support.
Gotta love it. I was hoping to add them to the ranks of my corp. Thx CCP., it's nice to have personal friends of mine think i'm a jackass for getting them into a game they have to pay for only to feel like they've been scammed. why don't you come over and crap on my living room floor while you're at it.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.15 12:05:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Enkilil Just as an addition to the earlier response I made... I had 2 people who I've literaly known for years (IRL) try out Eve-Online a few months ago (i did nothing but gush about how cool the game was, so they checked it out).... both of them were instantly hooked. In the last 2 weeks, both of them decided to stop subscribing. I asked one of them via msn yesterday why he stopped playing and his response was 'ahhh my connection dropped all the time, and it was really laggy and buggy. cool LOOKING game but it's just too much hassle to pay for a game that kept dropping me' The other person was crashing to desktop every 2 minutes, couldn't get a response to a petition and couldn't get anyone to answer her from tech support.
Gotta love it. I was hoping to add them to the ranks of my corp. Thx CCP., it's nice to have personal friends of mine think i'm a jackass for getting them into a game they have to pay for only to feel like they've been scammed. why don't you come over and crap on my living room floor while you're at it.
Holy Stink-bait Batman! And I thought I was pis*ed! Damn dude, don't hold back, tell us what you REALLY think. No, seriously, DON'T hold back. CCP obviously needs to hear it from someone....... oh, and, /bump. Nope devs this thread ain't go'in away until you rustle us up some fixes! *
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xSunnYx
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Posted - 2006.09.15 12:14:00 -
[215]
Actually, i haven't experienced constant lag.
Most of the time my connection is pretty good, i just had a day of lag a few days back, think total of 2 days.. this month and last month.. where actions had a delay of +5 seconds. other than that.. it's all fine here..
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SilentSentinel
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Posted - 2006.09.15 12:17:00 -
[216]
Signed
I have to agree with the op on this. I've stopped doing missions for 2 wks now. The lag is a serious problem. I have a 3 meg broadband dsl connection and a fantastic rig - 2 x 3.4 ghz xeon noconas. Don't think I have any problems on my end.
CCP your game looks great but is unplayable. I'm considering leaving after my subscription runs out. Please rollback to EXODUS! Atleast everything worked back then!! NO lag, NO drops.
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Qinoly
Gallente Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.15 13:42:00 -
[217]
Aargh you said the word, haven't seen that one since early 2002 .. Don't say it again, gives me goosebumps
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.09.15 13:51:00 -
[218]
I emailed Kieron and pointed this thread out to him. Hopefully he might be able to point it out to some people who might be able to help you guys out. -
Corp: www.ravenwarriors.com Cache Clearer
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Calynus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.15 16:27:00 -
[219]
I cannot run missions except for courier missions since "Dragon", even when there are less than 20k people online. It turns into a slideshow/lagfest as soon as I get into one, so the only ones I could attempt without putting my battleship at excessive risk is level 2 missions. Screw that.
So...I just cancelled. Subscription is up on September 17th.
Complaining on the forums isn't enough, it seems. I'm hitting them in the pocketbook. Maybe that's a language that they can understand, but considering that other people here have threatened to quit and still no acknowledgement, I'm not hopeful.
See you if/when they decide that having a working product is a priority.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.15 17:36:00 -
[220]
Oddly enough, EVE seems to be working reasonably well for the several hundred people in my corp and it's allies corps.
But hey, that doesn't mean much when you happen to be one of the few that are having serious issues... I realize this.
However, you also need to realize that the game is completely playable for the vast majority of subscribers.
Keep a bit of perspective folks.
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Oshir
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Posted - 2006.09.15 17:48:00 -
[221]
....Who cares!...just because the game is still fun for you doesnt mean we have to put this into perspective! We pay for a service, and that service at the moment is unacceptable. do you think thats still fine? do you think all companies should take that approach? ..."hey guys we just releassed our new car and its out on the road...however 1/3 of them explode when you put the key in the ignition...oh well the majority still work...carry on with work!"..
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Calynus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.15 17:52:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Ranger 1 Oddly enough, EVE seems to be working reasonably well for the several hundred people in my corp and it's allies corps.
But hey, that doesn't mean much when you happen to be one of the few that are having serious issues... I realize this.
However, you also need to realize that the game is completely playable for the vast majority of subscribers.
Keep a bit of perspective folks.
How can you be sure of this? Tons of people posting here that aren't working fine and only a couple people that are. The figures I'm seeing in this thread indicate that there are a very substantial number of people having issues, contradicting your statement entitrely.
I don't have these kinds of problems in any other games, including MMO's (WOW I get 50-60FPS at 1920x1200 resolution all candy enabled for example) nor did I have them in EVE pre-Dragon. Obviously, the changes that they made to the client and/or server FUBARed my performance, and the performance of the game for almost everyone posting here and probably a lot of others that don't bother with forums (I see complaints constantly in corp chat for example).
They really need to get off their bottoms and make this a priority ASAP.
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Savesti Kyrsst
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Posted - 2006.09.15 18:05:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 15/09/2006 18:06:01
Originally by: Ranger 1 Oddly enough, EVE seems to be working reasonably well for the several hundred people in my corp and it's allies corps.
But hey, that doesn't mean much when you happen to be one of the few that are having serious issues... I realize this.
However, you also need to realize that the game is completely playable for the vast majority of subscribers.
Keep a bit of perspective folks.
You're all out in 0.0, right? I was out in 0.0 yesterday and no lag at all. Now I'm back in empire (lowsec) it's lagging like death. Is node balancing out of whack or something?
What's odd is that our entire system basically... died... kicking everyone, but I didn't hear mass lamentation on the global channels I was on, or here...
Maybe CCP is nerfing Empire... through episodic lag
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MailFan
Horizon.Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.15 20:07:00 -
[224]
Just curious where everyone's from? I'm from the Netherlands and though I have experienced the occasional lag and disconnects the game is pretty stable and most of the time lagfree for me.
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Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2006.09.15 20:12:00 -
[225]
Just an FYI for all the ppl who want a "rollback," this game is really really database intensive. I'm willing to bet they have made changes to the database for Dragon that make it actively impossible to roll back. Or at least impossible to roll back without causing some pretty large problems.
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Elianora
Russian Ecology Defenders agains Pollution
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Posted - 2006.09.15 22:03:00 -
[226]
CCP we still wait for an answer - thei thread wont dissapear as many others. Dev- please post here on that issue. Its REALLY a problem here and now!
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.16 04:19:00 -
[227]
Originally by: MailFan Just curious where everyone's from? I'm from the Netherlands and though I have experienced the occasional lag and disconnects the game is pretty stable and most of the time lagfree for me.
From the USA here. And of the 30+ USA based eve players that I know, who USED to play Eve on a daily basis until the Dragon breathed on the servers, none of them are getting good service. There may be exceptions to the rule. But, as far as I know, of all of the US based players I know, none are recieving decent service. And, of those, only stupid me is still trying to vainly forge forward with playing. All of the rest have gone into training/hybernation mode and are giving it 2-4 weeks to see if they want to cancel their accounts. CCP should actually REALLY take notice of this. Thats over 30 people that I ALONE know about that are about ready to pack it in because of the recent problems unless they get fixed SOON. Yes, SOON for real, not SOON(tm). If I alone know that many, how many others must be thinking the same thing? Now, I hear from the podcast that they are planning to bring intergrated audio chat into the game by the end of the month??? What the hell??!? Keep adding things to something that isn't working right and sooner or later the whole thing is going to grind to a COMPLETE hault..... not that it pretty much hasn't already for some players..... oh, and /bump. *
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Bloody Slave
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Posted - 2006.09.16 06:19:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Ranger 1 Oddly enough, EVE seems to be working reasonably well for the several hundred people in my corp and it's allies corps.
But hey, that doesn't mean much when you happen to be one of the few that are having serious issues... I realize this.
However, you also need to realize that the game is completely playable for the vast majority of subscribers.
Keep a bit of perspective folks.
Hahaha, you are funny... LMAO...
"Players" that don't see the problems:
1- Macro-miners don't feel any lag, the computer is doing all the operations, and they are many in this game, including some said "players" that use macro to mine in 0.0 with some alliance clearance...
2- Manufacturers that only swap slots and BPO/BPC... yeah, they are many too;
3- Researchers that do the same thing but the slots are on Lab not in Factory... hmmm, yeah, there are many in the game;
4- Players involved in some Corp/Alliance role, like CEOs, Directors, Recruiters that spend a lot of time in Chats, evemails, etc... yeah, they are many too;
5- Ocasional players that don't really play the game, but instead, come to the forum to flame, post nonsense, etc... yeah, they are a lot, OMG, how many;
Hahaha, sorry, remind me of your coments of "the majority of subscribers" (that is really funny)... Not so creative and good to read as INNOMINATE posts but, anyways, funny.
OMG, I have to slow down my sarcasm. Some can really think I'm being serious that they are funny...
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.16 06:59:00 -
[229]
You forgot to mention those that stay exclusively in 0.0.
Also, this is from a different thread from ... Severus something "Well well well it looks like the fix is in...and its on SISI in the form of 4562.
We linux cedega users have had the same issues as our windows brethren since the 4561 patch completely jacked up cedega 5.2.6. The logging in, docking/undocking/mail/market etc., et.al were 100X worse for us. Today, Cedega posted the following:
<snip> The start of September brought with it the release of Cedega 5.2.6, otherwise known as 'that fix for the latest EVE Online update.' This allows our users to get back into it after a recent game update kept TransGamers from being able to start the client. A performance regression in EVE caused by the move to WinXP mode has been tracked down, and should be fixed shortly. <snip>
Turns out, the fix wasn't a "linux/cedega" issue, and the FIX is sitting on SISI. I verified this by loggin in under linux to the test server, and it is smooth as silk. No more lag/freeze/black screen. The login is smooth and back to normal.
So apparently this 'may' be what the windows users have been seeing as well, to a lesser extent."
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Bloody Slave
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Posted - 2006.09.16 07:11:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Firstly, CCP is aware of the problems we've all had lately, and I think we can all (well, at least most of us) agree that their time is better spend on fixing those problems instead of replying to umpteen threads about it. Us moderators however, haven't - so I've compiled a small collection of answers on the related topics for your pleasure.
Redundancy on POS-lag
Wrangler on "fix bugs, don't add more content"
Kieron on node drops, dragon code and hardware.
Maybe this is something we were expecting for the last days, an official communication from CCP staff.
To the ones that say: only a few ppl are suffering with issues, blah, blah, blah..." or "must be your crapy computer, blah, blah, blah..." - There is a real problem going on with the last patch, not Dragon, but the patch that came after it.
Lets hope CCP Devs can fix it ASAP.
Best luck for all (players, Devs, GMs, Mod)
Crossing my fingers.
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Nafri
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.16 16:05:00 -
[231]
we killed the node 5x within 15h, with about 150 people in local
yeah, great game CCP
From Dusk till Dawn
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Irdirid
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Posted - 2006.09.16 17:04:00 -
[232]
+1
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Selpy
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.16 17:33:00 -
[233]
WOW, 8 pages, and not 1 single post from CCP.
methink's we should protest! RISE UP AND COUNTED!
If they will not lissen to our demands, let's force them to relize thier folly in ignoring the masses....let's just everyone leave 0.0 and go into all the 1.0 systems, and see how CCP deal with the problem of hundreds or thousands all plugging up major nodes.
lol like that could ever happen.
but I agree with the OP. /Signed
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Kano Sekor
Amarr S-44 Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.09.16 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kano Sekor on 16/09/2006 19:41:19 Yeah i whould like to sign this too, i had a problem, last corp op i was in i was suppose to haul minerals for the miners and that included two jumps to a station were we gathered the stuff. Each time i was suppose to jump back after emptying my cargo in station the client froze and i mean really froze i couldnt do anything the graphic was moving and the sound was still on but i couldnt alt-tab out hell i couldnt even ctrl-alt-delete i had to hit the damn power switch and this happened to me 6 times during the op. I thought it was just me since ive been having a little propblem with the connection i have, but then when i whined in the corp chat a lot of others replied well i just had my fifth connection drop so youre not alone. Whew thank god im not involved in blob wars.
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Spix 'UK
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Posted - 2006.09.16 20:48:00 -
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Signed.... This is a Fu** Joke CCP.. What are you playing at... stop we the dam patchs.. whats the point in havin Tier 3 Ships.. wen we cant even use the other Tiers with all this lag...
4months ago everything seemed fine.. now with ur massive boost in players.. sure ur smilen.. but with all the Isky's ur making.. why not upgrade some of the nodes etc.. am runnin in a system with 30 players max at any time.. & it feels as bad as system with 120 players. its really hurting mission runners..
10mb connection
PC spec is not the problem.. its all server side..
Liked it better wen there was only 15k players online...
Wen is CCP goin to answer this thread.
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Taelus
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.09.16 21:28:00 -
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With some mild degree of fairness to CCP, they're between a rock and hard place.
If they respond to this thread, they're taking responsibility for a problem they may or may not ever be able to fix. Thus, if they respond, they could end up in a deeper whole. Right now, if they responded, some people might very well just choose to stop based on their response, whereas if they leave it open ended, they might have a bit more time granted by folks who are waiting for that response.
I know it's a bit weak, but I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt if I can.
The other way to get their attention on the matter is to submit technical support petitions and get them working on the issue when they undeniably receieve a count of the number of people with this specific problem.
Just my 2 isk. -----~!~-----
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Satal Sonshi
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Posted - 2006.09.17 00:04:00 -
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Dev Blog is up: http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=376
Originally by: Aquila Lightwielder I'm sorry CCP you are #200 in queue to use my credit card, please wait
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Taelus
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.09.17 01:10:00 -
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That's actually all I was hoping to see. It's the best they can possibly offer for the moment and so from me and I'm sure a lot of other folks, thanks Oveur for answering our concerns and letting us know that you're priority is making things stable again. It's what keeps me playing, or at least trying -----~!~-----
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Toman Torax
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.17 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Taelus That's actually all I was hoping to see. It's the best they can possibly offer for the moment and so from me and I'm sure a lot of other folks, thanks Oveur for answering our concerns and letting us know that you're priority is making things stable again. It's what keeps me playing, or at least trying
I, too, am very happy to see this. It's SOMETHING, and that's all I really wanted. And tbh, for whatever reason, the lag was not so bad today, especially for a weekend.
Thank you, CCP, for trying to fix the poor little game that we all love so much. Please keep on course to keeping it a playable game before all the bells and whistles are added... I think that's all that most of us really want, anyway.
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Mordoc
Caldari ThE CoVeN ParTnerShiP
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Posted - 2006.09.17 05:03:00 -
[240]
signed
Thank You CCP for the info, its all I need to know that you guys are working on it.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.17 05:53:00 -
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I too, must admit, for the MOMENT, I am appeased. In truth, like several others before me have said, acknowledgment of our suffering, and a pledge to do something about it were what all of the truly loyal players were after. Both were accomplished in the latest dev blog by Oveur I believe. Unfortunately, by all accounts, talk is cheap. ESPECIALLY when it comes to CCP saying "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused." How many times have we all heard THAT line after a server crash? So MANY times, point of fact, that the words have become almost meaningless. Because, if you are TRULY sorry about something, you do EVERYTHING in your power to make sure it doesn't happen again. And, in all fairness, I don't think anyone, even at CCP, can say they have done EVERYTHING in their power to improve the player experience. No, what has APPEASED me the most is how CCP is APPARENTLY backing up their words. Indeed, the servers do seem better today. Of course, that could only be because there are fewer people on (during a weekend) than I have seen in a long time. Hmmm, I wonder why THAT is?
Fortunately, however, Oveur did not use the standard CCP mantra when it comes to lack of service. He came up with something very original, that I was honestly impressed by: "Thank you all for your patience and sticking with us through thick and thin, we will make it up to you in the near future." I, for one, plan to hold him to his every word. I do not expect any form of monetary compensation for the lack of service. Although, I am sure many players would and do deserve said compensation in the form of a couple free weeks added to their accounts. But, for me, no thanks. What I would very much prefer is a return of Eve to what I like to refer to as "It's Golden Days." The days when entire months went by without a server crash. The days when there was so much new content you thought you could never explore it all. The days that, sadly, are LONG gone.
The potential for them to return however is VERY much within the promise and scope of Kali. So, Oveur, I say directly to you: I will consider your promised fulfilled if you only do these three things: #1. Go truly GRAND with Kali and the improvements there in. Amaze us like the first time we all loaded the game. #2. Get customer service under control. Please stop leaving so MANY members of the community out in the cold wondering what is going on. VASTLY improved communication times and much more manpower are the keys here. Five new GMs is a good start, but your going to need much more imho. I have played in more than one MMO very RECENTLY where the average wait time on customer support response was under 30 mins, and that was with a GM chatting LIVE with you on your screen as you played. I won't say which ones for fear of having this post "clipped". Why shouldn't Eve have that level of service? Why shouldn't the GMs be SHOWING, in TANGIBLE ways, the same level of dedication to the community as it does to the game? #3. Without a doubt THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE: do Kali RIGHT. Please don't RUSH something out the door just to say you got it done on time like what OBVIOUSLY happened with Dragon. Please don't deny it. There is no convincing me that is NOT what happened. I am sure Dragon fixed many things like you said in your blog, but lets face it, Dragon INTRODUCED critical bugs while it was fixing NON-critical ones. I know people complain about stuff not arriving when you say it will. But I, for one, would much rather WAIT on an update/expansion, and have it done RIGHT, than what happened with Dragon.
Deliver on these things and you'll have me, and my 5 accounts, for many more years to come; just as you have had them for the past 3 years or more. Fail, and who knows...
Lastly, I would like to thank ALL of the community for keeping this thread going and getting our voices heard! Cheers everyone! Here's to a bright Eve-filled future!! *
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tinkerrrr
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Posted - 2006.09.17 06:02:00 -
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bout time
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.17 06:09:00 -
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You hit it on the head, Sylthi. Talk is pretty cheap. If we had 1 isk for every time CCP said "We apologize for the incovenience"...
But at least the dev blog addressed concerns we were having. Of course, it took them 7 days, innumerable threads, and a 9 page thread to admit that there was a problem... but at least it was finally admitted.
The one thing that irritates the hell out of me with that post was "But as stated earlier, Dragon solved a lot of issues. We're seeing better performance on the servers and the client, a boatload of issues were fixed as we can see from our internal error log counters, but there is still some way to go." Personally, I'm seeing worse performance on the servers and the client. The servers always crashing, and the client glitching frequently, especially when being targeted by large groups of enemies.
Another thing I took issue with was, "It should be pointed out at this point that Kali isn't all "just new stuff", there are fixes, optimizations and improvements in there which couldn't make it into Dragon." The fixes and optimizations that seemingly were left out of Dragon were apparently essential to the proper functioning of EVE. Maybe next time, you'd be better off trying to worry about deploying all the optimizations you can before deploying something new. You say "It's not just new stuff" but in the same breath you imply that Dragon was deployed without optimizations and improvements. That would lead me to believe that the focus was on new stuff, instead of optimizations and improvements. And I sincerely hope that the new optimizations won't have to wait until Kali, because I know for a fact that the community isn't going to wait a month for the servers to stop lagging, unless we all get our subscription fees back for the month we have to wait. You'd be well advised to deploy your FIXES before deploying NEW content.
Congrats, CCP. You just granted yourself a week or two of goodwill simply by acknowledging problems. Isn't it amazing what good PR can do for you?
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Ortt
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Posted - 2006.09.17 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenix Lonestar You hit it on the head, Sylthi. Talk is pretty cheap. If we had 1 isk for every time CCP said "We apologize for the incovenience"...
Sheesh, give'em a chance, they know it needs to be fixed, and they're doin it.
Compared to the early days, CCP is doing a fine job.
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xSunnYx
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Posted - 2006.09.17 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: MailFan Just curious where everyone's from? I'm from the Netherlands and though I have experienced the occasional lag and disconnects the game is pretty stable and most of the time lagfree for me.
From the netherlands too.. I'm at my gf's place now, so playing EVe is pretty crappy with random reboots (probably heat issue0, but at home.. running dual EVE with an Opteron 170 on 3meg dSL.. runs smooth imo..
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Enkilil
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Posted - 2006.09.17 11:54:00 -
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Thanks, Devs. Very informative. It's nice to know the root problems and know you're working on it. Best of luck.
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Katya Guillaume
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:11:00 -
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I've about had it. Game is unplayable in the region I'm in and I'm not taking some g.d. joy ride around 5,000 solar systems to find one that isn't lagging. *one minute* to get a module to activate in Aramachi? WTF? Not only should I get an apology I should get a f'ing refund, this is beyond ridiculous....in fact, one minute lag to do *anything* including enter system, dock, start warp, start a module, anything. It's not like I can do something else besides missions now, since getting the damned manufacturing slots take just as much time, even transfering junk from cargo to items so I can refine, everything is lagged to hell and back.
Definately letting subscription expire in a few days and not returning until I see in these forums that this c.r.a.p. has been FIXED and not just chatted about.
Glad everyone's so happy that CCP is finally saying something - I'll be happy when they *DO* something. And what's with the little "those that stick with us will be rewarded" remark? Whoever's left and still paying when it's finally fixed will get a cookie?
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tinkerrrr
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: tinkerrrr bout time
It donÆt say IÆm happy just that they finally acknowledge they f'ed up something, and it not "our fault" like all the fan boys on this site have pretty much implied.
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Alz Shado
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Posted - 2006.09.17 17:23:00 -
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Quote: Thank you all for your patience and sticking with us through thick and thin, we will make it up to you in the near future.
Free month of gametime? Other, less reputable companies have done more to "make up" for getting their players to do their bug testing for them! It's the least we should expect from CCP.
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Oshir
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Posted - 2006.09.17 21:18:00 -
[250]
signed
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Chimaera7
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Posted - 2006.09.17 22:38:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Chimaera7 on 17/09/2006 22:43:50 Yes Lag is horrific, worst its been in long time. It is getting to a point in eve where lag is becoming the norm and people just say... yeh, is laggy, making the game unplayable... I guess I will log and come back tomorrow. NOOOOOO You pay for this, so CCP get it sorted! As the original post stated, I could not careless how many people play the game at one time. All I care about is being able to come on, pvp or whatever I want without seeing my ship go to warp 3 times in front of me, or having no response from weps, mods or ship manoeuvring.
It is like the other probs... ally column in overview is buggered.... it should be fixed now.... it has been 2 weeks since that broke and for pvp it is a major part.
I pay for two accounts and expect results. Now we get hint that kali could be put back... god.. getting tired of this. You have had long enough to do all this prep and testing. For a start some ideas have been in pan for 3 years since beta...
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Buckeroo Bonzai
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Posted - 2006.09.18 03:31:00 -
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You know I play this game for the entertainment value. For the last 8 months it has been a blast but lately this game has become no fun to play. The lag is unbearable. I play alot in Zarer where I have never seen more then 15 people in local and it unplayable because of the lag. All I do now is log in to change a skill then log out. Im going to give it one more month to get this sorted out and if it doesnt get fixed im on to something else, something that is fun again.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.18 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Akira Ito on 18/09/2006 05:05:25 First - it's very pleasant to see some reaction from CCP although it was "hey maybe it's screwed atm a bit but everything will be fine" kind.
But I'm not sure dev blogs are the right place to read bugs and issues about. I'm no fan of Microsoft tech support, but imagine you have a bunch of MS dev blogs instead of Tech Database, and you'll understand my point of view.
Second - FIX THE FREAKING LAG! We lost BS yesterday in Ammold running lvl4 mission. Our guy was unable to hit anything before he was in the pod. Game seems stuck while warping in... bang! and you realizing yourself targeted by a bunch of rats with horde of missiles near your nose.
BTW, neither me nor my browser wasnt able to find something containing "lag" in Oveur' post. Hey? Oveur? Are you aware of it? Should we pull every issue acknoledgement out of you?
[EDIT: minor grammar errors] __________
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Recon777
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Posted - 2006.09.18 06:28:00 -
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I just noticed this thread today. Why? Because I haven't had any lag problems throughout the duration of this mess everyone has been experienced.... except today - today, now everyone in my corp has noticed that the ENTIRE day lag has been severe - It took me hours to go purchase and bring back the components for my new Blasterthron - the ship was almost done being built by the time I got back!! EVERY single action I took in the game took between 5 and 10 seconds. Why suddenly today?? Good question. I thought they were "on this".
One thing that could perhaps put this whole thing into perspective is that conservative estimates would indicate 30,000 players on simulaneously indicates at LEAST 100,000 active paying accounts, probably more like 150,000. Seventy-Five Thousand Dollars (US) per DAY, should be able to purchase enough talent to fix this problem pronto, one would think.
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2006.09.18 08:46:00 -
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I have been feeling a lot of the lag lately too, I know its a server side issue because all my other Online games work the same. . . If lag becomes an issue in EvE, considering the high death penalty, the competative nature of the game, and the percision that is needed in many situations - the game becomes a nightmare.
I pray EvE will not go cheap on us and start cutting costs, we are a loyal player base, and giving us a lag free enviornemnt is very important to our quality of play. Destroy that, and we start to get upset.
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Brackun
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:22:00 -
[256]
I'd just like to say waiting over 10 seconds for modules to activate is not cool.
"I sat there, pondering this unusual proposition, and at that moment I was just far too embarrassed to admit that I was unfamiliar with the mechanics of zero-gravity copulation." - P.M.S.L. |
EvilDoomer
Caldari Chicago Mobsters Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.18 16:34:00 -
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CCP READ THIS EVE IS UNPLAYABLE
UNLESS YOUR JUST MINING. I LOST A SHIP YESTERDAY IN 7Q BECAUSE I WAS ABOUT TO GET ATTACKED FROM 15 PLAYERS THAT WERE ALL CAUGHT IN A BUBBLE I WAS 205K WAY KILLING ONE OF THERE PLAYERS. I WAS ALIGNED I HAD OPEN WINDOW WIHT A INSTA SELECTED CLICK AND TOLD TO WARP OUT THEY GOT ME 205K WAY IN A DICTOR BUBBLE. THERE WAS SO MUCH LAG NO WAY SHOULD I GET KILLED. BUT THEY DID.
NOT FUN!
YOU NEED TO HEAR ALL THE PEOPLE JUST *****ING YOU CANNOT EVEN FIGHT 40 JUST FORGET ABOUT A FLEET BATTLE. LAST TIME WE CLASHED WITH THE GOONS IN N-R THE NODE DROPPED.
245 VS 200
YOU NEED TO FOCUS AND FIX THIS PROBLEM. YOU HAVE BEEN PROMISSING SINCE BETA TO FIX THE LAG AND ITS WORSE NOW.
HOW LONG DOES PEOPLE HAVE TO COMPLAIN.
WHAT IS CCP REPONSE.
DOES ANYONE CARE !
PEOPLE DONT FLAME ME SIGN YOUR NAMES WE NEED ACTION SO WE CAN RETURN TO HAVING FUN THIS HAS NOT BEEN.
IM NOT JUST A NEW GUY I HAVE BEEN PLAYING SINCE BETA WITH 40MIL SP AND IN THE CA DAYS FIGHTING 106 VS 150 THE LAG WAS NOTHING LIKE THIS 20 VS 20.
Thanks
EvilDoomer
Chicago Mobsters In-Game Channel:DAMOB
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Roland San
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:37:00 -
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I'm currently sitting through what has go to be the worst lag i've had ever. Full 3-8 minute lag spikes interspersed with minor 1 minute or so spikes.
It's just so frustrating cos there's nothing I can do about it.
I'm at the end of Guristas Extravaganza, and there's a handful of ships left, and I'm nowhere near dying yet, but it's insanely frustrating... It's taken forever. I've spent a whole night on this.
Just really sad that the quality of service has dropped to this abysmal level.
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rayrock
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:56:00 -
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I would say you are a moron if you quit because of this.
Its GOING to be fixed. Quit crying and go outside for a few days. This will all blow over when they fix the lag and you crybabies will have something new but less dibilitating to cry about. Im not saying this to the people who are having real game issues like crashing ever minute.
But I am saying that those of you crying so hard about the lag really are not doing justice to the people working so hard to fix it. What, you think they are wiping their butt with money laughing at you guys?
NO
They are working as hard as they can to fix this game so it can prosper. Dont you want it to prosper? Then maybe you should stop threatening to cancel your account and maybe be constructive.
You people are sad sometimes. You have nothing else in life to look forward to than coming home to EVE and when theres a hickup in the system due to ever changing circumstances you cry and cry and cry because its your life. I understand your love for the game but please remember stuff like this happens with ANY and ALL big MMOs. If you cant live with it than dont play MMOs. But you are playing pretty much the best MMO out there and you still whine.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:22:00 -
[260]
*coughfanboycough*
I think most of the complaints center around CCP's actions, not the game itself. Back before the yarrrrdware upgrade, people complained about the lag, but the griping wasn't as widespread as it is now, nor was the lag as severe. It was one of those things that inevitably came with an increased amount of people on increasingly inadequate machines.
In this case, the lag was entirely introduced by CCP. Dragon created the issues we're having. CCP didn't acknowledge that there was a problem until 7 or 8 days after the problem had come to the forefront of protest (after a week or so of problems to begin with). Then, the acknowledgement that was posted didn't mention anything about lag. It discusses node failures and the ever so ambiguous "performance issues." To top it all off, in the acknowledgement, Oveur goes on to describe how great Dragon has been for the game.
Not to mention we're all paying for the game... as someone stated... what equates to $75,000 US a day should buy us quality... and maybe a response to complaints sooner than 2 weeks after the issues begin... and maybe a petition queue that isn't 30+ days long... and maybe better bug testing prior to "new" things (content, coding, etc.)... and maybe using players to test performance, instead of relying on programs that tell you CPU usage is down 66%! at the expense of 3 minute module activation delays... and maybe...
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Timura
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Posted - 2006.09.18 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Timura on 18/09/2006 23:33:16 /sign Phoenix Lonestar's post.
For me it's not so much the lag that i'm angry about. I've already posted my thoughts about it on this thread. it sucks. I like to PVP, but i need money...cuz i suck at it. And mission running gave me a way to make money (as it does for a lot of people). So a lot of us have effectively lost our way to make money, sure we can mine. providing you wanna put your pvp skills on hold to get a few mining ones.
But what really chaps THIS customers A** is the COMPLETE Lack of Customer support. Example? THIS THREAD. I normally don't post anymore(Even with legit problems) because it feels as though i'm talking to myself. It's bad.....Infact, it's about just as bad as the lag.
And i think most of us are AWARE that the fix is COMING. Us paying CUSTOMERS want to know WHEN...A direct response. To this Thread would be cool. Just my 2 cents.
Originally by: rayrock What, you think they are wiping their butt with money laughing at you guys?
I try not to overestimate people.
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AaronKable
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Posted - 2006.09.19 01:38:00 -
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i can barly pul 2 FPS atm...
i used to get 60+
the problem needs to fixed...
i hope that they are realy doing something not just working on Kali...
cause it is realy unbarable to undock and get 2 fps... i just redock and log... Please hurry with your fixes
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EvilDoomer
Caldari Chicago Mobsters Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.19 04:37:00 -
[263]
Originally by: rayrock I would say you are a moron if you quit because of this.
Its GOING to be fixed. Quit crying and go outside for a few days. This will all blow over when they fix the lag and you crybabies will have something new but less dibilitating to cry about. Im not saying this to the people who are having real game issues like crashing ever minute.
But I am saying that those of you crying so hard about the lag really are not doing justice to the people working so hard to fix it. What, you think they are wiping their butt with money laughing at you guys?
NO
They are working as hard as they can to fix this game so it can prosper. Dont you want it to prosper? Then maybe you should stop threatening to cancel your account and maybe be constructive.
You people are sad sometimes. You have nothing else in life to look forward to than coming home to EVE and when theres a hickup in the system due to ever changing circumstances you cry and cry and cry because its your life. I understand your love for the game but please remember stuff like this happens with ANY and ALL big MMOs. If you cant live with it than dont play MMOs. But you are playing pretty much the best MMO out there and you still whine.
Seriously, get a clue. The lag will be fixed.
MORONS!!! 3.5 yrs of its going to get fixed.
Right.
Thanks
EvilDoomer
Chicago Mobsters In-Game Channel:DAMOB
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Posted - 2006.09.19 05:52:00 -
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Well CCP
Good luck with fixing the problems. But i`m sure they not are going to be fixed at all. Just set a new goal ok. What about 50.000 no 75.000 players. Before the end of this year.
Playing and paying this game for over a year now and only got TONS of LAG and CRASHES.
Everbody have a long wait and fun playing this laggy game. I cancelled my both accounts and i will not activate it again. Crap, what a waste of time and money this game is. Keep posting those new player records CCP, up to 75.000.
Just keep
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.19 08:23:00 -
[265]
Update on previous posts: First, I would like to point out that with about 15+ man hours of tinkering with my Eve client and my system setup, I have gotten Eve running about 95% as smoothly as it did before Dragon. Of course, this does not count the server side lag and stutters that I can do nothing about. I did lots of things to my system to tweak it to run SPECIFICALLY the Eve client as best it could. Oh, and for the record, I would like to mention to CCP that it taking a 20+ years of experience IT professional more than 2 full working days to get a client running smoothly again after a patch is NOT a GOOD thing. I am not saying that my sh*t doesn't stink, or I am the bomb, but in all fairness, the AVERAGE Eve user does not possess the training or experience that I do/have. The AVERAGE user should NOT have to go to the EXTRAORDINARY lengths that I have to get a client working near the same performance level that it was BEFORE a patch. More to the point, the average user WON'T go to that extreme, as can been seen by the users leaving in (from what I can tell) droves.
I played very often with 30+ players and buddies that I have developed over my 3 years of Eve, as I stated in a previous post. As of this date, over 12 of them have canceled their accounts with FIRM intentions never to return because of DRAGON and the issues introduced with it. Frankly, I have to say this is NOT looking good CCP.
/rant on
One factor no one seems to have mentioned yet is the "bad-will" that the extremely poor levels of support/performance has engendered in those being affected by it. Lets face it, Gamers talk to each other, all the time, and not just here on the official forums. People remember bad experiences far longer and with much more vivid detail than they do good ones. That is just human nature. My point is that the players being burned by the bad service/performance that is going on right now are going to have a LASTING affect on the community. For every customer that CCP lets slip away because of the incompetence currently being shown, I can promise it is going to cost them 2-5 FUTURE players. Why? Because the pis*ed off people that left are going to talk in other forums and in other MMOs they play and tell everyone who asks or will listen "Not to play Eve because it sucks!" CCP and the devs need to take this factor into account as they try to light a fire under their butts to fix current issues ASAP, and as they think about PREVENTING future issues. Why? Because REPUTATION counts for a lot in a market as competitive as the one for MMO. Eve is NOT the only game in town. If people don't get what they want here, they will go somewhere else; and then they will tell everyone not to go where they have already been. My main point is that this issue is a LOT more serious than the players that are leaving atm, and more importantly, a LOT more important than CCP seems to be treating it. This MASSIVE of a game stopping issue, coupled with the, as yet, feeble CCP response to it WILL have lasting affects on the community. They need to realize that; FAST.
/rant off
Back to trying to help my fellow (non-fanboy) community members: I found the THREE MAIN things that helped get MOST of the performance back OUT of Dragon was to purge my cache files, adjust the buffer size in the .ini file, and to turn some of the advanced graphics options ON rather than off. I found it VERY strange that MORE options on gave me higher fps than off, but that is EXACTLY what happened. Also, be careful with the buffer size. I run 2GBs of RAM, but I found the smoothest setting at 128 rather than 256, or 512. Again, strange that. Information about how to do ALL of these things can be found in the stickies at the head of this forum. I did a LOT of other things, but they are all system specific and will not help everyone. Hope this helps people recover some of what Dragon took from them. More later, out of space. Cheers! *
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.19 09:10:00 -
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Forgot to mention and ran out of room in my last post: $75,000 USD a DAY!?!?!!
Yes, boys and girls, the math holds up to numbers publicly released by CCP. I have to comment on this statistic before letting it pass. It's just TOO irresistible because of knowledge I have gained in my line of work. I run an IT department, a modest one, only a couple hundred peers locally, but still. Does everyone know what kind of things can be done with a $75,000 USD a day budget??!? Hell! There shouldn't be ANY server related service interruptions. Period. Downtime? A thing of the past. Customer service? One hour wait time until you are receiving LIVE help, on a BAD day. All I have to say when confronted by the real world numbers of this budget, is SOMEONE up at CCP is getting VERY rich or WASTEING a HELL of a lot of money. No ands, ifs, or buts about it........ Sorry for this post turning into a pis*ed off flame, but confronted with this level of potential budget, and what I KNOW can be done with it on a real world IT level, there is really NO EXCUSE for the abysmal level of service we are having to endure. Sorry, but there's not. Not one.
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.09.19 11:44:00 -
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The server's cost a lot to run remember. It's not cheap to host 70 dual-core machines, they take up a lot of power and bandwidth. Not to mention they're buyings tons of very expensive hardware to get TQ running like she should. They also have staff that they have to pay, plus they get taxed. You're forgetting all the tiny parts. And I'd guess a rather large portion of extra revenue acuired by CCP goes towards EVE itself, in the form of future upgrades, more staff to work on the game, etc.
You just need to be patient. Posting 2/3 times a day stating how CCP sucks, and how you demand service, is not doing anything. They are AWARE of the issues, and aware of the lengthy petition ques, and they are working on it - that's far more than some other companies would do.
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Devious
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:09:00 -
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FIX THE LAG CCPFIX THE LAG CCP
FIX THE LAG CCPFIX THE LAG CCP FIX THE LAG CCPFIX THE LAG CCP
FIX THE LAG CCPFIX THE LAG CCP
Hope that gets their attention.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Grez The server's cost a lot to run remember. It's not cheap to host 70 dual-core machines, they take up a lot of power and bandwidth.
For the kind of money we are talking about they should very easily be able to afford their own backbone sat link. At that point they shouldn't be paying ANYONE for bandwidth, in fact others would be coming to CCP to use THIER bandwidth.
Originally by: Grez Not to mention they're buyings tons of very expensive hardware to get TQ running like she should.
I think its safe to say that by far their biggest "new hardware" expense of late has gone to China to set up a new market rather than fixing the market they already have.
Originally by: Grez They also have staff that they have to pay, plus they get taxed.
I was taking both of these factors into consideration in my cost of doing business quote figures.
Originally by: Grez You're forgetting all the tiny parts.
I honestly don't see what.
Originally by: Grez And I'd guess a rather large portion of extra revenue acuired by CCP goes towards EVE itself, in the form of future upgrades, more staff to work on the game, etc.
How is this any different from the main topic we are already talking about?
Originally by: Grez Posting 2/3 times a day stating how CCP sucks, and how you demand service, is not doing anything.
I agree with you 100% here. 2-3 posts per day from me and dozens of other users in crisis certainly does not seem to be doing anything.
Originally by: Grez They are AWARE of the issues, and aware of the lengthy petition ques, and they are working on it
Again, I agree with you 100% that they must be AWARE of the issues. I just don't believe they are taking them NEARLY seriously enough. If they were, we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.
Originally by: Grez - that's far more than some other companies would do.
Third time, agree with you 100%. I am SURE there are SOME companies that are worse than CCP when it comes to performance and support. It has just never been my displeasure to do business with any of them. But, I also KNOW that there are LOTS of companies that are FAR BETTER than CCP when it comes to performance and support. And therein lies my true concern and terror: That these other companies are going to overtake Eve (a game I have LOVED for years) and pass it into obscurity and eventual extinction simply because CCP administraton refuses to run the company more professionally.
Originally by: Grez The squeeky wheel's been heard, calm down and wait like everyone else has too.
Is there really any other choice?
Thanks to you as always Grez for seeing to the maintinence of my bloodpreasure. *
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Enkilil
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:14:00 -
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Well also, you don't want to forget the overhead involved... Advertising alone must take quite a considerable chunk of that, all promotional stuff they do, even the Eve-Fanfest must be costing them a lot. It's a great game and it's worth it. You have to spend a bit to get it back. This is a business, like any other. Simple as that. I really don't see how debating what CCP does with their income is really solving anything, tho. Scrutinizing thier finances and how they spend it isn't going to make the lag go away, and certainly isn't going to get anything fixed faster than it is.
I love you all! ;)
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sylthi on 19/09/2006 12:41:24
Originally by: Enkilil Well also, you don't want to forget the overhead involved... Advertising alone must take quite a considerable chunk of that,
I honestly can't think of any form of Eve advertising that I have seen in the past 6 months that wasn't web-based banner format. And, those cost them next to nothing, if not ACTUALLY nothing. Except of course for the events like E3 and the like.... I'll give you THAT expense as I hear attending those as a vendor isn't cheap... but there's what? 2-3 of those a YEAR? Come'on! Exhibitions = CCP staffer's paid working vacation. Just read the dev blogs about them. They run their asses off during the day going to all of the different "sites", and then drink themselves into a stupor at night. Sounds kinda like a vacation to me.....
Originally by: Enkilil even the Eve-Fanfest must be costing them a lot.
Ummm, its called the "tickets that you have to buy to get in" that kinda amertizes off that expense a little.
Originally by: Enkilil It's a great game and it's worth it.
Agree 100% or I wouldn't be wasting my time posting over and over again on the stupid forums (which I hate participating in) in an effort to get problem issues heard and addressed.
Originally by: Enkilil This is a business, like any other. Simple as that.
Agree with you 100%. They are a business that has a responcibility to their paying customers like any other. And, imho, they haven't been doing such a great job in that area of late. And, judging from this thread, I am not alone in that opinion.
Originally by: Enkilil I really don't see how debating what CCP does with their income is really solving anything, tho. Scrutinizing thier finances and how they spend it isn't going to make the lag go away, and certainly isn't going to get anything fixed faster than it is.
You're absolutely right. It was pointless to bring it up. But, as I stated in my original post I couldn't resist because of what I konw about the subject irl. And yes, it is certainly not going to help anything get fixed faster. CCP moves in their own time and their own way, that is ABUNDENTLY clear at this point.
Originally by: Enkilil I love you all! ;)
My character huggles you right back. I don't..... cause that would be homo. *
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:32:00 -
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*sniff* and it was such a nice innocent little topic too...
*OP waves to the veritable army now banging on the gates of the CCP HQ*
Well, you lot certainly made this threat explode. It's nice in a way to see so many posting here, and yet, because of what you're posting, not so nice at all.
I have to admit that given that dev's themselves do post to forum threads to some extent, the fact that we haven't had a direct response to this particular thread is surprising, and there are a fair few questions that really do warrent some kind of answer. Discussion on that $75000-a-day estimated statistic not being the least significant of the lot. Or perhaps these are embarrassing little points that CCP hoped we'd never actually notice? Perhaps less gold-plated Bentleys for the execs and more dev personnel and servers could be the way forward? :P
Very fair point raised earlier about the effect this is going to have on CCP/EVE's reputation as a whole. Not only will the eve community dip as more players cancel their subscriptions but those busy little bees will soon be telling their friends why they left and actively dissuading others from throwing their funds into CCP's hot sticky little hands. It'd be nice if the lag doesn't get solved just because suddenly we have half as many players online...a shameless exxageration of course...but a few more weeks of this...?
Anyhow, all the material has been pretty much covered so I'll end it there. Keep it up folks.
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Marvin Jones
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:41:00 -
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Look, at the end of the day CCP have most players by the nuts, especially old players who aren't gonna ditch their characters with 50 squillion experience points for any amount of bugs. The only people who may quit are noobs and fairly-noobs with less time/effort invested.
So get the noobs to nag CCP because THEY HAVE A CHOICE, most of whom will probably be off to play Never Winter next month...
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Marvin Jones Look, at the end of the day CCP have most players by the nuts, especially old players who aren't gonna ditch their characters with 50 squillion experience points for any amount of bugs. The only people who may quit are noobs and fairly-noobs with less time/effort invested.
So get the noobs to nag CCP because THEY HAVE A CHOICE, most of whom will probably be off to play Never Winter next month...
This is a VERY fair hit, and an excellent point. Hell, its the NUMBER ONE reason I'm still here. But, even for the veterans there comes a point where enough is enough. Especially if you see no end in sight to the bugs. After all, what good is having an advanced character if you never get to play it because of bugs/server issues?
But, getting some of the newer player involved in the process would be great. Fortunately, that has already happened to some extent. If you'll look back a few pages there is at least one person who gave the finger to CCP because they did their TRAIL account during this mess, and at least TWO people who's accounts were under 3 months who say screw it and left. So, to some extent I think this is already happening. But, a lot more would deffinately light a fire under CCP managment thats for sure. Not that I am ENCOURAGEING people to leave by any means. But, I am sure many of them have to do what is best for their own pocketbook.
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Taelus
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:32:00 -
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I've had a petition on this one for two weeks and I've diligently done a lot of their troubleshooting for them. Hours and hours of time examining hardware configurations and network activity and submitting it all to them. Then, on Monday, they had the temerity to come back to me and say, after Oveur's post, that this was something at my end and theirs is running perfectly. That I can't log into the game, like well over a hundred other people I know, is all about me doing something wrong.
That was enough for me. My friends and I are leaving the game. So hopefully the few hundred dollars less a month they receive will wake them up, and to everyone else, you've been absolute bricks, and I'll miss ya. -----~!~-----
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:59:00 -
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There are a lot of UK-basedd advertisments, like in PG Gamer (UK) - They love the game.
They ARE doing their best (Oveur has said so), and they are far from happy with the current state of things. What you need to remember is that EVE is a huge game (understatement of the year), not to mention the server complexity... Finding one tiny colon that wasn't meant to be there can be fustrating and insanely hard to do. Just give them time - CCP have always come through on top.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.19 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Grez They ARE doing their best (Oveur has said so)...
Fanboy, Oveur said NOTHING about the lag - doesn't that mean they ARENT doing their best on the lag issue? __________
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Chimaera7
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Posted - 2006.09.19 15:57:00 -
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Thanks for pointing the petitionthing out.... Ya I have petitioned 3 problems recently (last few months) and you never get a resolution. Petition lies open and if you do get a reply it is a rather non commited answer with no progression or liability admitted.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.19 16:04:00 -
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Directed to Grez above: Unfortunately, neither does trying to resuscitate a ôhorseö that has been dead for weeks on end. The ôhorseö I am talking about here is of course: CCPÆs credibility with many of itÆs players; new, old, and potential. You obviously have not lost your ôfaithö Grez, and that may well work for you. But, unfortunately, for many, blind faith just simply doesnÆt work; especially when there is money at stake. However insignificant that amount of money is to some people (CCP staffers obviously) doesnÆt matter. What matters is exactly what youÆre asking for on behalf of CCP and the devs, namely: Time. Time is all well and good, and complicated systems do not fix themselves; believe me, I know. But the acrid questions that hang in the air, and have NEVER ONCE been answered to my satisfaction by you, CCP, or any of the other fanboys out there are these: Why does CCP constantly need so MUCH of this TIME of fix things? Why are so MANY things constantly broken all of the time in the FIRST place? Especially, why are they broken on patches that are supposed to FIX things? DonÆt bother answering Grez they are rhetorical questions. Besides, I already know the answer even if the staff at CCP would DIE before admitting it.
The reason that this happens ALL THE TIME with patches is that the development and bug fixing processes at CCP do not give any priority what-so-ever to the satisfaction of the paying clients. In fact, quite the opposite. It is their STANDING policy to USE their own PAYING customers for development research so they can save money on staff. It is CLEAR that over the three or more years that CCP has been in operation it is the STATUS QUO to release code that they KNOW (or at least heavily suspect) is faulty and then have their paying customer base work through the ôBETAö issues for them. DonÆt try to talk me, or the many others in the thread who believe this, out of it. I have done the IT excuse ôdanceö too many times myself (in my 20+ years of experience in the field) not to know EXACTLY why what CCP and the devs SAY can NOT be reconciled with what they DO. It is my unyielding belief that this practice is WRONG and should be stopped IMMEDIATELY.
Now you will note I have never once said that the devs or CCP ôdo not care.ö The main reason for this is that it is all too easy a charge to counter. Also, I do not believe that they ôdonÆt care.ö Of course they care! We pay their salaries! Of course they care to some degree whether we come or go. But, they learned a LONG time ago just how dedicated a player base they have, and they USE that fact against us ALL THE TIME. They do not give weight to customer satisfaction because they know they donÆt HAVE to. In their minds we will either just ôsit there and take itö or they will ôget three paying players that look just like us in the future.ö What they DONÆT CARE about is which one it is, the former or the later. It is this corrupt corporate culture that is so readily apparent to me that I am railing against and trying to get changed. And, before anyone has to tell me, I KNOW how hopeless it is to get something or someone to give priority to you when they KNOW they donÆt have to. But that doesnÆt stop me from trying.
So, Grez, you can sugar coat telling me to ôshut up and go sit under my rock and be quietö all you want to. IÆm not going to, and I donÆt think MANY people in this thread can be silenced that easily either. CCP crossed the line of the paying playerÆs tolerance this time, and they know it; otherwise there would have been no post from Oveur. And I for one, do not plan to be quiet about it until we see so ACTION, not just words.
TRUST is a hard thing to get back once you violate it. CCP has violated a hell of a lot of trust with DRAGON and being so slow in acknowledging it faults to suffering customers. I am eager to see what, if ANYTHING, they plan to DO about it in the near future. I hope, for EVERYONE'S sake, its a BIG jesture. *
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Isotobe
Caldari Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.19 17:57:00 -
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I never really post on forums, however I feel the urgent need to do so now.
For the first time since I started playing EVE, today I was angry when I tried to log my alt into a 0.0 system with 7 people in it. I got the traffic control telling me I was #1 in the queue.
Now before I semi-rant (might be due to 2nd no-smoking day), all you fanbois can stfu before you start.
"begin rant"
I have, like many people in EVE, put up with the over-run upgrades, the extended downtimes, the lag, the this and that, and always taken it in my stride, because I have always believed that CPP has the game and gamers interest in their best intentions. However, today is the final straw, whoever came up with the idea of traffic control for log ins seriously needs a bl00dy good ****ting to within an inch of his life with the stupid bat.
All the other things we live with, stuff happens, life goes on, etc, etc, that I can handle without too much of a frown. But when I cant even log into a game to check mails or look at the market because I am in a log on traffic control queue, thats the point where ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
"end rant"
Please fix it.
Regards,
Isotobe
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UKM Thorgrim
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.19 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Isotobe I never really post on forums, however I feel the urgent need to do so now.
For the first time since I started playing EVE, today I was angry when I tried to log my alt into a 0.0 system with 7 people in it. I got the traffic control telling me I was #1 in the queue.
Now before I semi-rant (might be due to 2nd no-smoking day), all you fanbois can stfu before you start.
"begin rant"
I have, like many people in EVE, put up with the over-run upgrades, the extended downtimes, the lag, the this and that, and always taken it in my stride, because I have always believed that CPP has the game and gamers interest in their best intentions. However, today is the final straw, whoever came up with the idea of traffic control for log ins seriously needs a bl00dy good ****ting to within an inch of his life with the stupid bat.
All the other things we live with, stuff happens, life goes on, etc, etc, that I can handle without too much of a frown. But when I cant even log into a game to check mails or look at the market because I am in a log on traffic control queue, thats the point where ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
"end rant"
Please fix it.
Regards,
Isotobe
I Second Isotobes Comments, PLZ FIX THE PROBLEMS.
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EvilDoomer
Caldari Chicago Mobsters Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.19 21:22:00 -
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So far 5 friends are deactivating the game.
Im close.
Maybe time for WOW!
or CHESS>!
Shame that CCP does nothing. I have 2 accounts.
Wife has been pressuring me anyways!.
Thanks
EvilDoomer
Chicago Mobsters In-Game Channel:DAMOB
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Buckeroo Bonzai
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Posted - 2006.09.19 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Buckeroo Bonzai on 19/09/2006 22:48:56 Ok let first start out by saying I love this game. I have played my share of MMO's in my time and this one is in the top 2. Now for the bad part. The game is no longer fun to play because of the lag and other "bugs". You can't do missions (combat ones at least) because the lag will either kill you or it will take you 4 hours to do something that should of taken you 1. PvP is just suicide. About the only thing you can do is mine and then only in safe space. All I can do now is log on change a skill and log off. When I first started playing this never was a problem. You would get a little lag now and again but all MMO's do. Games are like wine they are supposed to get better with time not worse. So for now I am not renewing my subscription when it runs out. Maybe down the line when and IF they get this fixed then they can have my money again and I will reactivate my account. If more of us did that I guarantee you we would get a response. While I DID have ALOT of fun in this game SOME of the time. I can JUST have fun ALL of the time in another game. Thats where its all at. Are you still having fun in this game? I wish I was.
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.09.19 23:19:00 -
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I give up. I won't bother email Kieron again to get someone to take a look at this thread. So much "fanboy" insulting. Petty insults. -
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Entrophos
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.20 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grez I give up. I won't bother email Kieron again to get someone to take a look at this thread. So much "fanboy" insulting. Petty insults.
I'm sure they've seen it. The lack of a response to this thread is pretty cowardly IMHO, and just gives me those bad SOE vibes all over again.
The best way to get attention is to take the bitter pill, fight the addiction and voice your discontent with your wallet. I've cancelled 1 of my 3 accounts (my mission runner who is totally unplayable). The other two (hauler and manufacturer) will follow very soon if the lag/performance problems don't improve because I am seeing huge lag even doing non-intensive operations like transferring cargo and queuing up jobs. Lord help me if I open the Market. :P
Get your act together CCP!
PS - Use your 75k-a-day haul to hire some competent web developers and fix your forums. I'm sick of the "log-in-ten-times-to-post" crap.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.20 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grez I give up. I won't bother email Kieron again to get someone to take a look at this thread. So much "fanboy" insulting. Petty insults.
I can underatand your giving up Grez. These issues are insanly frustrating no matter what angle you tackle them from: i.e. playing the part of devil's advocate, or playing the role of the valiant defender. Don't worry about the emails to Kieron, I'll happily take over that job for you. (Especially since I had already been doing it anyway.)
As for the fanboy comments from myself and others, I can only speak for myself. I can honestly tell you it was never my intention to insult you on a PERSONAL level. Mainly because that doesn't help anyone. If I was one of those that did, I appologize. The only point I will make on this subject however is this: I think that if ANYONE was to look at the bulk of your posts objectively, they would have to come to the inescapable conclusion that maybe the term comes a lot closer to fitting that not when concerning you. I have personally read several hundred of your posts, and you truly seem incapable of laying any serious blame at the feet of CCP and/or the devs. Every single one of your posts, without fail, rings of one or more of these opinions: "#1 The problem is with the user's system not CCP's. #2 The paying customers should be satisfied with whatever CCP deems fit to dish out to them, and go away and be quiet, while the devs get around to fixing what they have broken. #3 The people who discuss the ongoing problems repeatedly in the forums should get a life, keep paying CCP no matter what the service becomes like, and just go away." I am sorry Grez, but I, and many others like me, can not, and WILL not, subscribe to your points of view on these subjects. I am truly sorry if the term "fanboy" upsets you. I, for one, will not use it again towards you if it does. However, to be fair, perhaps you should take a closer look at why the term being applied to you upsets you so much? I am only suggesting that the "truth" can sometimes hurt worse than anything else.
At any rate, to the rest of the concerned community out there, please keep this post up as I am out of pocket for about a week and will be unable to post. See you guys when I get back, and I'l pick up my duties of keeping this thread in the forefront of CCP's mind when I get back. Cheers all! And sorry we drove you off Grez. *
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Chimaera7
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Posted - 2006.09.20 08:39:00 -
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Edited by: Chimaera7 on 20/09/2006 08:39:10 Ooh another problem now... getting random dropouts. Clients just close for no reason. Yes lag is present but not even as bad as normal and game givesup.
Apparently people work at CCP and tehre is a customer service dept..... HHHHHHHAAAAHHHHAAAAHHHHHAAAA, Ooh sorry.... no response to petitions.... no response to this forum.
Just out of interest... is CCP owned by Apple? With this quality of service it must be. I thought apple were rubbish, but this is a new unrivalled experience. Apple not got a clue about what customer service means and it looks like CCP are reading from the same hym book.
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Elijah Olivaw
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Posted - 2006.09.20 09:02:00 -
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PLEASE CCP put all ur effort in fixing this LAG/Disconnect problem!
I'm still a noob I guess, training and gathering isk to eventually and hopefully take part in huge tactical wars in 0.0. But since PVP'ing in groups seems to be impossible, I see no point in continuing.....
For now can we get the old bugs back please and get rid of the new one(s)?
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jessyjames
Amarr Dragonstar
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Posted - 2006.09.20 09:10:00 -
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I am a 3 year old player and now it mite be coming to an end. The lag in eve now is out of control. To petition is worth nothing lost another ship tonight and i still havent heared back from the last petition i sent a month ago.
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Malkavian Spirit
Minmatar Instant Travel Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:09:00 -
[290]
looks like another extended downtime today
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Ryan Scouse'UK
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:15:00 -
[291]
Signed.. Bumped to front page.
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Devious
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:18:00 -
[292]
You know i shouldnt really be posting here whining like this perhaps i should start a new thread called " lag and eve the close relationship" ive been playing on one of my many alts recently , got involved in a Big inter alliance fight the other day not mentioning who...ever tried warping to a warzone with 100 people in zone...it only takes 1minute 45 seconds to load up everyone there..even though according to the server your already a target and can be shot even though u cannot fire back or even move your cursor...so its game dynamics i say but whats worse a GM comes along and says Cease fire during the middle of the fight..it seems Drones are the cause of all this warzone lag...they fixed it once and now they have to fix it again...the fancy new ramsen server cannot cope with the tags for the drones...it just doesnt have the processing power to account for them all and this includes carrer fighters....CCP has here a broken game which they refuse to fix..happy to let it run in its Beta like state until it once again crashes the server...i understand that games online are constantly in Termoil as they are always changing and seem to be like beta with online known bugs but to go a whole year and not address the issues that are being seen here is just unprofessional and poor.il be sticking around to see what new bug comes along that ccp cannot deal with its almost like an episode from some sad long running series that nobody watches....
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shuckstar
Gallente Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:20:00 -
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Totally agree with the OP
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Ryan Scouse'UK
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 20/09/2006 12:22:26
Originally by: Devious You know i shouldnt really be posting here whining like this perhaps i should start a new thread called " lag and eve the close relationship" ive been playing on one of my many alts recently , got involved in a Big inter alliance fight the other day not mentioning who...ever tried warping to a warzone with 100 people in zone...it only takes 1minute 45 seconds to load up everyone there..even though according to the server your already a target and can be shot even though u cannot fire back or even move your cursor...so its game dynamics i say but whats worse a GM comes along and says Cease fire during the middle of the fight..it seems Drones are the cause of all this warzone lag...they fixed it once and now they have to fix it again...the fancy new ramsen server cannot cope with the tags for the drones...it just doesnt have the processing power to account for them all and this includes carrer fighters....CCP has here a broken game which they refuse to fix..happy to let it run in its Beta like state until it once again crashes the server...i understand that games online are constantly in Termoil as they are always changing and seem to be like beta with online known bugs but to go a whole year and not address the issues that are being seen here is just unprofessional and poor.il be sticking around to see what new bug comes along that ccp cannot deal with its almost like an episode from some sad long running series that nobody watches....
A GM really told you all to stop fighting.. what was the reason... more detail be great.
/ the out come etc.
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Devious
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:26:00 -
[295]
A GM really told you all to stop fighting.. what was the reason... more detail be great.
Ol Fear told us to cease fire due to Carrier drones causing system instability in the node and cycling it till it crashed...was about 4 days ago they had to reboot the server node and asked players to log off or leave the node...last night had similar occurence but no gm intervention they just let the node crash...you can always tell a node has crashed when you queue to get into a system with 0 players in it...its an ongoing bug ccp wont fix , to be honest i dont think they know how to ...i must give kudos to ccp in a small way noone has really ever tried to host 30,000 people on a single server before without sharding it...
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Hoea
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:35:00 -
[296]
**** POOR SERVICE CCP Pull your fingures out and work on some REALL issues, We couldn't really give two hoots about your teir 3 BS's etc, as NONE OF US CAN F***** USE THEM. Seriously, 1 week, and i'm going to WOW with the rest of the "EX EVE-ONLINE PLAYERS", nice guild name i thinks's Stop ranting about 30k+ player online at one time, personally i couldn't give a f***, what good is 30k+ players if we can't so much as even chat to eachother?????????????? /Rant off A reply here would also be nice :) Rob
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Devious
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:40:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Hoea **** POOR SERVICE CCP Pull your fingures out and work on some REALL issues, We couldn't really give two hoots about your teir 3 BS's etc, as NONE OF US CAN F***** USE THEM. Seriously, 1 week, and i'm going to WOW with the rest of the "EX EVE-ONLINE PLAYERS", nice guild name i thinks's Stop ranting about 30k+ player online at one time, personally i couldn't give a f***, what good is 30k+ players if we can't so much as even chat to eachother?????????????? /Rant off A reply here would also be nice :) Rob
uhm can i have your stuff :P
seriously im sick of it too..but il be sticking around...eve is my life, wow and those other games have worse Customer support least here someone from ccp does occasionaly read the forums...
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Marvin Jones
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:57:00 -
[298]
Someone needs to form a union to bring all the little moaning voices into a SHOUT! Also, is there not an in-game way to make life hard for CCP that isn't punishable?
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Devious
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Posted - 2006.09.20 13:01:00 -
[299]
A Pain switch would be nice to be linked to CCP HQ...press for instant Customer service....*presses switch* BZZZZ "arghh ccp how may i Arhghhelp you?* nice thought but oh well....
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Edu Journeyman
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.20 13:05:00 -
[300]
So, the thread started in September 9th...
A lot of posts, veterans and new players, no "fanboys" posts with that "Shutup ur moron, if you don't like just quit blah blah blah", only a few posts trying to show some point-of-view that not match with the reality like: "Don't know what are you talking about, blah, blah, blah..."
The lack of response from CCP staff to this thread is something new to me... And I must say: I really can't understant...
I'm seing the numbers falling - from 30K on that night to 22K in the other weekend... from 20K every night (east) to 13K yesterday... That is not something good to see, I don't want to play 5000 systems alone. I will stay for a wile and as my grandfather always said: "The hope dies in the last".
Be your journeys long and prosperous. Treat the others as you like to be treated. Rude and fool are enemies. |
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Marvin Jones
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Posted - 2006.09.20 13:08:00 -
[301]
I like that idea about the switch, but is there a way to be a pain-in-the-ass en masse (hey that rhymes!) to make CCP listen?
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Karen Dark
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Posted - 2006.09.20 14:03:00 -
[302]
Edited by: Karen Dark on 20/09/2006 14:03:31
Originally by: Marvin Jones I like that idea about the switch, but is there a way to be a pain-in-the-ass en masse (hey that rhymes!) to make CCP listen?
The only way to get them to listen it to hit them where it hurts. In the pocketbook.
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UKM Thorgrim
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.20 17:02:00 -
[303]
Edited by: UKM Thorgrim on 20/09/2006 17:02:41 Cancelled My account only down side i paid for a years sub. ú100.00 and got to wait until 6 march 2007 for it to finish.. What a waste of My hard earned cash... pity CCP wont refund, it to me..
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EvilDoomer
Caldari Chicago Mobsters Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.20 17:11:00 -
[304]
Originally by: UKM Thorgrim Edited by: UKM Thorgrim on 20/09/2006 17:02:41 Cancelled My account only down side i paid for a years sub. ú100.00 and got to wait until 6 march 2007 for it to finish.. What a waste of My hard earned cash... pity CCP wont refund, it to me..
I have 3.5 years in this game. And to me CCP dont care.
Thanks
EvilDoomer
Chicago Mobsters In-Game Channel:DAMOB
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Z4yl
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Posted - 2006.09.20 19:24:00 -
[305]
Time to fix it , or face the consequences CCP ... Ive been playing this game for only a half a year (now playing 2 acc¦s) but ... If these lags wont stop this game will die ...
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Bobby Atlas
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:54:00 -
[306]
Lag has always been noticable and iv never really complained about it. But since dragon patch the increased lag and disconnects have become unacceptable, as paying clients we not only demand but expect a better quality of service from you CCP.
I have never lost a ship to lag/disconnection untill yesterday - ratting in a lachesis and suddenly disconnected, log back on to receive notice system i am in is full, placed in line to enter system - 5 mins later i get into system and find myself in a pod - there goes a lachesis and 2 shadow serp hardeners.
All-in-all i can recover from such a loss but it is ever SO frustrating the circumstances that caused the loss - not a PvP gank, not my ISP, not even my stupidity taking on things i shouldnt - rather CCP quality of service.
I have canceled the month-to-month on 2 of my alt characters and have simply relegated to 1 character now till CCP gets things fixed or till i get so fedup that i cancel my last character.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.20 21:06:00 -
[307]
This situation reminds me of Southpark the movie.
"****ing Windows 98. Bring Bill Gates in here! I thought you said this was supposed to be better."
"It is! It's 1,000 times bet--" *blam*
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Scoobac
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.20 21:31:00 -
[308]
Cancelled.
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Apoc Mudekii
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Posted - 2006.09.20 21:31:00 -
[309]
k i'm outa hear, games to crap with the current situation...... Account cancelled.
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Hornious1
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Posted - 2006.09.20 22:11:00 -
[310]
Unfortunately for me the last few weeks I have had more time to play than anytime in the last year. I try to get on when the player count is low but even that doesn't really help anymore. I was doing some long hauls last night and I found having Instas didn't help a bit because each gate jump lag 20sec. I was better off setting autopilot and walking away for 30 minutes. I lost a Raven a few nights ago for the same reason. Came through a gate that was camped, but because of the long pause I was jammed and scrammed before I ever knew any ships were there. Just had to set and watch it blow. Opened a petition so hopefully I will have reimbursement in the next three months or so, lol. Very promising to see hotfixes rolled out at downtime and then see a server reboot hours later to rollback the hotfix.
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Reggie Hamond
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Posted - 2006.09.20 22:46:00 -
[311]
This is my first post on the forum and will probably be my last. I will try to keep it short so that people don't get too upset at about what I am about to say.
Here is the deal. I have only been playing for about 3 weeks now. I skipped the trial account and bought the game from the eve-online site directly. Yes sometimes the lag is bad. Yes sometimes even I get dropped, and yes I have even been almost wiped out twice.
If all of you that keep threatening to cancel, stop threatening and cancel. It doesn't do ANYTHING except fill the forum with useless complaining. Nobody cares if you are a veteran of 2 or 3 years and are going to cancel, because Eve will still be here. CCP will continue to do what they have been doing for the last 3 years. I personally am in it for the long haul irreguardless of the lag issues, or the crashes or the downtime.
CCP has also made every effort to explain to you what is happening, and to tell you what is coming (ie DEV BLOGS). They are also making every effort to fix the problems that are occuring. But you must also understand the nature of what Eve is under the hood. I would venture to guess several several million lines of code to start with. Being a light duty programmer myself (largest project ~648,000 lines of code) I understand human nature to make a mistake (You can not tell me that you type everything in and have NEVER had to hit your backspace key). I also understand that trying to find one single mistake in even a 650k line program takes a VERY VERY VERY LONG TIME. Even a large team of programmers may still have difficulty in locating the exact cause of the problem within a small amount of time (except if they get lucky).
My suggestion is this. If you think that for one minute you can write a 3D application or a 3D game in the same scale as Eve, go right ahead. I'm sure in about 15 years you'll finally get the framework down.
Personally, I am just tired of jumping on the forums when I can't connect to find out if it's down and for how long, and not getting those answers, but a bunch of complaining about downtime and threats to cancel.
My piece being said, I will continue to wait until it comes up and then I will go back to playing.
All I ask is that people use the forums for what they are for. Not to blast people for doing their job as fast as they can.
Keep up the good work CCP. I am behind you 110%
-Wolf
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rayrock
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Posted - 2006.09.20 23:32:00 -
[312]
This is pretty much the best MMO there is right now.
I played WoW and got to end game. If you think leaving this to go to WoW will be a great change for you then im sorry but you are choosing the wrong path. The PVP in this game is way more heart pounding and meaningful than in WoW. I really hope you guys dont consider going to that ****ty ***** like addicing game. This game will only continue to get better and the lag (No matter what any of you say) is a temporary thing.
"ZOMG SERVERS LAGGING CCP YOU SUCK FIX LAG OR I QUIT OK I JUST CANCELLED MY ACCT IM GONNA PLAY WOW"
They know. This thread isnt stealthy and hidden. Theres an obvious reason why they wont reply. Its ok because you are gamers and in all honestly you cant even come close to understanding how hard it is to do what they do. They wouldnt risk this game by giving only 50% effort here. I guarentee they are working 100% and you guy continuing to babble the same stuff accomplishes nothing.
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Recon777
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Posted - 2006.09.21 03:38:00 -
[313]
I think its absolutely hilarious (and tragic) that after all the hype about how bookmark copying was "bringing the servers to their knees" that when they finally did nerf bookmark copying it made NO improvements. There were way better solutions to the bookmark issue than a nerf. They could have implemented a "warp drive accuracy" skill, along with an advanced skill counterpart, letting people learn how to warp closer than 15km. That would have rocked.
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Kit Torn
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Posted - 2006.09.21 04:59:00 -
[314]
one thing that can be said for lag in EVE is the lag in WoW was far far worse
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.09.21 05:19:00 -
[315]
Edited by: Blank Protection on 21/09/2006 05:20:23 Bunch of w.a.n.k.e.r.s. Whatever the reason may be, gameplay of eve just sucks and getting wurser with the day. Patch after patch giving only more problems than solutions. Even with only 8-15 players in local i have lag. Doing missions is a hell. But this game is for all of you an obsession, a drug and you can`t stop with it.
CCP nows that because cancelling your subscripsion is something else as terminating your account. So stop saying, if CCP not listen to me i cancell my account, because 9 out of 10 players wont do that. They cant stop this game. Otherweise just say ****off to Eve and CCP and terminate not cancel your account. Man CCP is laughting there ass of when reading all your bluffing. I feel sorry for those guys who are already playing for 2-3 years but getting more than 20.000 players in game at the same time is asking for problems. And the lag yeah you just have to quit playing or learn to life with it because they just cant fix it. And if they do 5000 players and patches more and you are in the same s**t again.
Ps* First account already terminated. This one in about 10 hours.Im back to Battlefield where i was laughting my ass of everyday.
F*** this game.
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Dissolutor
Minmatar District of Power
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Posted - 2006.09.21 08:19:00 -
[316]
Account subscription cancelled...
With text: "Too much lag"
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Timura
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Posted - 2006.09.21 09:24:00 -
[317]
Lol Fanboys are funny, "Go ahead, quit, CCP doesn't care".... Wanna bet? Thats less income, bad reputation, and that's just the ones that have Cancelled AND posted here. I'd be interested in seeing some numbers of the accounts that have been cancelled since this storm started. You fanboys have your fun and pretend you know everything and i'll tell you what i know. i KNOW Lag has been problem with this game for the past 3 (that's after 1 and 2) YEARS....It just keeps getting worse. I've been playing this game a long time, off and on. But i can honestly say, if this doesn't get cleared up, this capsuleer is gonna jet too...and for EVERY account cancelled on THIS thread, i bet there's 4 or 5 cancelling that's not posting. So you Fanboys enjoy your addiction for now, we'll see if you think CCP doesn't care about lost accounts when they turn the server off for the last time.
PS. FIX YOUR GAME CCP
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Extregar Qvint
Caldari JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.21 10:07:00 -
[318]
Originally by: UKM Thorgrim Cancelled My account only down side i paid for a years sub. ú100.00 and got to wait until 6 march 2007 for it to finish.. What a waste of My hard earned cash... pity CCP wont refund, it to me..
Too bad that you are leaving Thorgrim, remember you from back in SAK.
Anyway... i think CCP is finally realizing how serious this matter is for a vast majority of the playerbase. And therefor not until now ample measures are being taken to solve these critical issues. Sadly i think it is in the eleventh hour as i know several ppl, just like Thorgrim above, who have cancelled/taking a break until the game is fixed.
Last week i have noticed the game geting smoother, but it might as well be a result of less ppl logging on
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Amgard
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Posted - 2006.09.21 14:53:00 -
[319]
*Amgard donates 2 brand new, unopened Hamsters and a wheel to CCP.
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Hornious1
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Posted - 2006.09.21 15:20:00 -
[320]
Edited by: Hornious1 on 21/09/2006 15:21:26 I love the "fanboy" post especially from 3 weeks old players, lol. This one is my favorite, "CCP has also made every effort to explain to you what is happening, and to tell you what is coming (ie DEV BLOGS)". How exactly did you determine this in the few weeks you have been playing. This problem has been around long before you came to the game. The lag problem got really bad with Dragon but it was weeks before the Dev Blog mentioned anything about it. How about you go to the top of this forum and look at the sticky for "Known Issues" last updated in June. Not a single reply since then on the known issues or resolutions. How about you look at the petitions from thousands of players that go unanswered for weeks if not months. I have one from June still pending, not one reply yet.
Next time your cable TV, cell phone, or internet goes out don't call the provider and complain because they are doing everything they can to restore the service. And if you happen to have problems over weeks or years it's the same story, it's not their fault they are trying really hard. Lol, must be hard for fanboys to be such quiet, good little customers who never complain about anything.
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Timura
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Posted - 2006.09.21 18:51:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Hornious1 Edited by: Hornious1 on 21/09/2006 15:21:26 I love the "fanboy" post especially from 3 weeks old players, lol. This one is my favorite, "CCP has also made every effort to explain to you what is happening, and to tell you what is coming (ie DEV BLOGS)". How exactly did you determine this in the few weeks you have been playing. This problem has been around long before you came to the game. The lag problem got really bad with Dragon but it was weeks before the Dev Blog mentioned anything about it. How about you go to the top of this forum and look at the sticky for "Known Issues" last updated in June. Not a single reply since then on the known issues or resolutions. How about you look at the petitions from thousands of players that go unanswered for weeks if not months. I have one from June still pending, not one reply yet.
Next time your cable TV, cell phone, or internet goes out don't call the provider and complain because they are doing everything they can to restore the service. And if you happen to have problems over weeks or years it's the same story, it's not their fault they are trying really hard. Lol, must be hard for fanboys to be such quiet, good little customers who never complain about anything.
Amen to that. PS. Semi Bump, i think half way down the page is too far.
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Skyly
Syndicate Of Shadows
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Posted - 2006.09.21 19:03:00 -
[322]
Uh oh...
When theres 2 people in a low sec system and you have to wait 30 minutes in a queue to get back in, you KNOW something is bad
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.21 19:59:00 -
[323]
Allow me to channel Grez for a moment:
It's not the system that's the problem, it's the node. If you had two brain cells to rub together, you'd know that, and it'd be a perfectly reasonable explanation requiring no action on CCP's part to remedy. Since it's not the system's fault, there's nothing wrong. The node is crashing? The node is lagging? The node-balancing is crap? Whatever.
I love you CCP. *slurp*
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Regel
Gallente Skyborne Exploration
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Posted - 2006.09.22 01:07:00 -
[324]
Ever since that last abysmal patch I've been having problems logging in. I often have to try 2 or 3 times, exiting EVE and re-entering my password each time. Tonight, with only 17,000 people on the system I'm having to do it over and over again with no success at all. I've tried 12 times so far.
This is unacceptable.
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Cown
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.22 11:52:00 -
[325]
No, i'm not gonna let this thread go to the next page.. bump ffs.
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.09.22 12:32:00 -
[326]
Sometimes I wonder if there is some other server all these lagged people play..
Personally having very little lag (apart from big fleet fights, which I try to avoid). I don't hear my corp mates complaining about lag much either. Even my occasional trips to Empire core (Jita) go reasonably smoothly.
Then again, the thread has some 12k views, with far less than 3% of them posting about lag experiences..
Naturally, if the lag makes all aspects of the game really unenjoyable, you really have to cancel. Just make sure you write down the lag as the reason. And perhaps come back after a little while to see if it got better.
Not much point in making accusing threads. Unless you subscribe to the doctrine by which paying for something gives you moral right to yell, cuss and be general jerk.
-Lasse Oh, I sure hope CCP gets things fixes so everyone can play; the more the merrier
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Iona Saldana
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Posted - 2006.09.22 13:01:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Heikki Sometimes I wonder if there is some other server all these lagged people play..
Personally having very little lag (apart from big fleet fights, which I try to avoid). I don't hear my corp mates complaining about lag much either. Even my occasional trips to Empire core (Jita) go reasonably smoothly.
Then again, the thread has some 12k views, with far less than 3% of them posting about lag experiences..
Naturally, if the lag makes all aspects of the game really unenjoyable, you really have to cancel. Just make sure you write down the lag as the reason. And perhaps come back after a little while to see if it got better.
Not much point in making accusing threads. Unless you subscribe to the doctrine by which paying for something gives you moral right to yell, cuss and be general jerk.
-Lasse Oh, I sure hope CCP gets things fixes so everyone can play; the more the merrier
I think it would be peeps not being ar$ed to post, rather than not suffering at all. There is a definate issue with code that was introduced in Dragon, nothing to do with server load due to number of poeple on. I haven't bothered doing missions are any PvP since it was introduced - too many boots to want to risk either ship or laptop being thrown in frustration. Things had been getting better but last night in only a couple of hours of play I had 2 complete client freezes due to dodgy jump gates, which did seem to sort itself out. Both systems had no more than 20 players in.
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Hornious1
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Posted - 2006.09.22 18:48:00 -
[328]
You know it is bad when they can't even get the web page right. Anyone else notice it takes 1-2 minutes for the Eve home page to load up and this is after seeing web page maintenance alerts the last few weeks.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.22 20:29:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Heikki Sometimes I wonder if there is some other server all these lagged people play..
Personally having very little lag (apart from big fleet fights, which I try to avoid). I don't hear my corp mates complaining about lag much either. Even my occasional trips to Empire core (Jita) go reasonably smoothly.
Then again, the thread has some 12k views, with far less than 3% of them posting about lag experiences..
Naturally, if the lag makes all aspects of the game really unenjoyable, you really have to cancel. Just make sure you write down the lag as the reason. And perhaps come back after a little while to see if it got better.
Not much point in making accusing threads. Unless you subscribe to the doctrine by which paying for something gives you moral right to yell, cuss and be general jerk.
-Lasse Oh, I sure hope CCP gets things fixes so everyone can play; the more the merrier
If there are 20 people who check the status of this thread 3 times a day, that's 60 views per day. If you multiply that by the age of the thread (approx 12 days) then you get 720 hit right there. So there's probably a lot of repeat traffic, and that's combined with what our good friend said about people not actually posting. The overall game traffic has seen a vast decrease in the average concurrent users in the last few days, which tells me that there are a lot of people who have suspended their accounts/stopped playing in the hopes that lag will get better. Usually there'd be about 17k people when I normally sign in. Last night there were 15. And when there are normally 15, it was down just under 12k.
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Jack Creme
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Posted - 2006.09.23 10:16:00 -
[330]
I had a nice, reasonably troble free couple of hours this morning from 0500 to about 0800 Eve - apart from a couple of CTD's that is. As the numbers started to rise traffic queing started at gates in or around Aramachi, docking/undocking slowed to a crawl as did doing things in a station. Eventually couldn't undock.
Logged off for b'fast. Came back 30 mins later to find I was #15 in a queue to get into the system. Gave up after waiting for <shrug> a long time.
Managed to get back on an hour later - but game play was, well, miserable.
Giving up until after DT - to see how it feels. But if its the same... I'll leave Eve alone for a while. Play something else... clean the windows... talk to the kids...
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Alhambra Rainwalker
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Posted - 2006.09.23 10:32:00 -
[331]
Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 23/09/2006 10:32:27 /signed
Lots of lag in fairly sparsely populated 0.0 region, queue to log in systems with few or even no players, PVP is no-go, NPC:ing is extremely risky at best.
Cancelled, I'll be monitoring the situation from now on (sub expires early 07). I really like the game (it does have lots of flaws and whatnot but it's still rather unique), but why pay if you can't play?
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Spike Spegel
Minmatar Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.23 11:03:00 -
[332]
Not to mention impossibilty to log in into empty 0.0 system... Spike out __________________________ Our logs does not show any evidence of server problems. please check your computer for viruses and spyware; also double check your ISP connecting speed. |
Cuckoo
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Posted - 2006.09.23 11:28:00 -
[333]
yeah.. it has been rediculous as of late.. pvp has become stupid, as the most enjoyable thing for everyone in the game is now crap.. sorry state of affairs atm :(
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Losiphat
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Posted - 2006.09.23 21:06:00 -
[334]
I agree with the original poster that the most recent patches have significantly reduced the quality of the gaming experience. It would be nice to see CCP step up and admit what issues are known issues and perhaps have some sort of a path to dealing with this game play issues as they have become extreme in many cases.
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Myonosken
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Posted - 2006.09.23 21:54:00 -
[335]
I haven't ever posted here, but this made me have to post.
I'm not experiencing ANY lag at all, and haven't for the past week. Its weird that you are all getting it.
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Extregar Qvint
Caldari JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.24 11:29:00 -
[336]
In all fairness i must say the situation for me has become much better over the last week or two. For me the problems began about a month ago with the dragon patch, but it was a while since a node dropped/i experienced stupid lag, where i live at least. (Scalding pass)
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Jack Creme
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Posted - 2006.09.24 12:00:00 -
[337]
To be fair, post-DT yesterday (Sat 23 Sep) Eve was fine. Me and 2 others from Corp did 2 lvl 4 (Gur X) in Aramachi area together with no problems. My FPS dropped a great deal in the heat of the battle when all of us had drones out, but I suspect that was on my client side as I run 2 accounts with eve.pref set to 512, and only 1GB Ram. Bit of file swapping going on methinks.
So maybe a hotfix yesterday did something?
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Ker Essentiel
Amarr FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.24 19:02:00 -
[338]
Sorry CCP gentlemen, but your nice game is becoming unplayable...
The dragon patch was supposed to improve the game, in fact things get worse and worse day after day.
Today (2006-09-24 ) I reach the point where I think to stop playing EVE and looking to other games.
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Gozmoth
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.24 19:15:00 -
[339]
/signed
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.24 20:04:00 -
[340]
Last night in Aramachi I was experiencing frequent disconnects, but the lag seemed markedly improved. When I intially signed on, it was laggy, but it got better almost immediately after I posted in the forums that Aramachi was still jacked. Coincidence, probably.
However, today with 600 people in Jita and 27k users logged on, Jita was damned laggy... and before the fanboys say "So what? What do you expect? There's a bunch of people logged on." Before Dragon, 700 in Jita with no lag wasn't a problem. After Dragon, it becomes laggerific. There's a connection that CCP doesn't want to admit to.
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TheBigZero
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Posted - 2006.09.24 22:03:00 -
[341]
I'm still on the 14-day trial looking to see if I will want to move on to a monthly subscription and I have to say the only thing keeping me from skipping the free-trial and paying now is the lagging while playing.
It's not completely unplayable, but it's enough to be annoying in-game.
My PC:
Intel 3.0GHz P4 w/HT ATI X800XT PCI-e 256MB 1.5GB PC3200 RAM 160GB hard drive Comcast 6Mbps cable Internet
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Kitara Majere
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Posted - 2006.09.24 23:25:00 -
[342]
Edited by: Kitara Majere on 24/09/2006 23:25:57
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Phoenixhawk
Caldari Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.24 23:26:00 -
[343]
Ditto and Signed to all said. I dont have the fastest machine out there but its not bad either. I've Been playing since 04' and have multiple accounts. and since dragon. Eve is unplayable, point blank end of story. But what else is new? after every motherloving patch its the same old story, being a veteran of many patchs (coming out of cold war seemed the downfall of eve's patches) but after every patch, it just took a matter of time for the Dev's to get it in gear tweak things and get them running right and eve went back to playable again, if not quite its old speed. So with my exp in all eve's patchs I say to myself time to park the ships, set a long skill in training, and wait out the storm, time has gone by, multiple skills have been trained, and to be honest, its still not playable. My low-sec corridor is currently looking at 10/30 second module activations, with all of 5 people in local, nearby mission running space is even worse, and thats if you make the que to get into the system. Mission times need increased to simply makeup for the ungodly travel times if you can even travel, what about Jita you ask? I've always avoided Jita like the plage, and Yuli before jita was the center of the world.... I've waited, i've come back, i've tryed playing, and i've seen its still unplayable, and docked and waited and cameback again to the same thing, and left and came back, and so on.....point is I love this game, After all the time, money, blood sweat, and tears invested into building up to do what i want, i dont plan on leaving, yea 15 a month means loosing a day doesnt mean a big investment, but when you start to look at loosing months with multiple accounts, it really starts to hit ya. CCP needs to stand up and be accounted for. The problems need fixed, if they cant do that, then they need to accept it and shard the system. because they have pretty much hit the wall and nothing seems to be pulling it back. I was all for breaking that 5k,8k,10k barrier, I remember when seeing more than 10 in local was crowed, I've Dreaded the 20k25k30k's I've been there I've done that, but its looks like CCP has hit the limit, and cant throw money at the problem to fix it. They said our drones was the we went from 15 to 5 and the lag got worse, Then it was bookmarks, then it was...etc..etc..etc Eve just seems to be at the tech limit and every thing they do simply seems to worsen it. I've always been agaist sharding it, but its looking like eve it getting to be out of options, sharding sucks, theres nothing worse than making a char playing around and then finding out all your friends are on another server. the server then gets to the almost unplayable limit, and it gets caped off, and a new one gets setup and your stuck on the jampacked full one, after your time as been spent on that one. new people will come, old ones will leave, and eve will still be eve, Fleet engagments are dead, you get 10 ships together and the node goes down. to end a long rant simply Something Must be done otherwise the game is slowly dying.... my system btw P4 3.4HT BFG 7800GT over-clocked 2 gig's of Ram Dual Raptor HDD's and a 6.0Mbps Internet connection /end rant
Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six!
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Peeved
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Posted - 2006.09.25 00:38:00 -
[344]
Hello All,
I signed up on Friday for a trial account after a friend of a friend had nothing but good things to say. Friday eve I play through the tutorial and start to notice this regular hicup where things would freeze. Saturday morning things seem smoother, but again as the day goes on thing get worse until by the afternoon I would say its unplable. Here I am Sunday, and I'm wondeing if this is just how the game plays.
Now I have a rather highend maching w/ a ton of ram, as I play MMorpg's often, and this is the worst I have ever been hit by LAG, except in the early days of WOW, and IF but the 2g ram upgrade helped that a great deal.
I have to say that I'm dissapointed if this is normal, because the game was starting to pull me in. I will keep an eye out to see if the lag gets resolved, and hope to join you all at another time =)
~Good Luck, Peeved
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Krisz2
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.09.25 03:10:00 -
[345]
Eve is becoming unplayable to me aswell. Alot of CTDs twice which have led to me losing a vagabond. Not really fun to sit in station =/
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JFxSummoner
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Posted - 2006.09.25 03:10:00 -
[346]
Originally by: Dark Motoko Edited by: Dark Motoko on 09/09/2006 16:09:27 Ok, while I'm sure at the moment the CCP team is sitting back and thinking, 'Hooray, the server is currently up and working properly', some of us are getting serious reason to differ. I just felt I had to write about what just happened to me, since I haven't seen nearly enough complaints on this in the forum compared to what I see and hear from people in-game.
I just tried an L4 Pirate Invasion; I warp over, trigger the gate. My hardeners take 4-5 seconds to activate, but that isn't so bad.
Ok, so I start destroying the first group that auto-aggros me. My launchers take 5-10 seconds to activate; not brilliant, but bearable. A few cruisers go down. The auto-aggro group sends a few frigates, so I release my medium drones and send them after one. Four or five minutes later, and after repeating the command a fair few times, my drones are still not bothering to target the specific frigate I selected, but are picking their own. Handy that.
Inevitably, I then need to shield boost, so I hit the module. After about 10 seconds it activates, and then shuts down immediately once orders. That would be alright, but within the space of 3 or 4 activations, it then takes 20 seconds or more to activate. Bit worrying, right?
My thoughts at this point are, 'to hell with this', so I order my ship to align to a beacon in preparation for my warping out. My drones are a lost cause - they still haven't attacked that frigate target, and now certainly won't return to me. I order a warp when aligned properly and wait. Over 30-40 seconds pass before my ship actually goes to warp. Pretty good thing I decided to warp early before my ship actually needed to get out of there.
Now...where am I? Some system with hundreds of players in local? Jita? Rens? No, I was in Aramachi, with about 55-60 players in local at the time. There were about 21000 online at the time server-wide.
Aha, I hear CCP say,'You must have a slow connection or low specification pc'. Aha, I say - I use high speed broadband and a pc which far outstrips the system requirements of eve, plus I was running nothing else apart from eve, and no other computer was using my conn. via a network etc.
This is not some isolated incident, but has been happening to myself, and others I know for weeks. It's getting steadily worse as CCP introduce each new patch.
Please CCP, try and tell me that this is down to me, and not a serious problem server side. Now, I like eve - I have a good corp and friends on eve, but try to tell me that you're giving me a service worthy of what I've paid for my subscription.
Stop boasting about your 30000 players online a one time, and start trying to improve the quality of gameplay of those subscribers that you have rather than trying to get more or people will begin to stop playing. In plenty of places, the lag was ridiculous on the night of the 30k players, and eve was only really playable once it had dropped down below 25k from my point of view.
Anyhow, rant over. Pick holes as you wish.
Signed and agree 100% ..... you should have tried doin the L4 i did in ibura the other day with 8 peeps in system took me over 20secs to activate modules let alone warp to the gate after the mission was over, truely a sad state of affairs for EVE.
and to those that say spread out to less congested systems/nodes come on guys that is so far beside the point
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Tar Ancalimon
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Posted - 2006.09.25 03:12:00 -
[347]
I was pretty fed up about two weeks ago and posted in one of the earlier pages. I was thinking I was going to have to quit since I was paying for a service that sucked. But in my dertimination I decided that maybe I could find something that would make it playable again. I went to the "Boost your FPS" thread and started working on every little thing I could find in there one at a time. Every little bit helped as I noticed I was getting a few more frames here and there. Finally I got great results with changing the V-sinc settings. I'm getting a solid 30 frames per second now and am relieved that I can at least play again. IT's not great but, it will get me through until they solve the issues. If your fed up like I was. Try doing whatever you can on your end, i'm sure CCP is working on it. Flame away!!
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Womble God
Gallente Compression Space Transport
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Posted - 2006.09.25 13:46:00 -
[348]
/Signed.
I live in Isenairos and generally run missions in either that system, Aramachi and Uotila. Everywhere else I go, with the obvious exception of Jita, I suffer from virtually no lag whatsoever. Yet in a system with a maximum of 60 people in it I am lagging so much that it can take upto 2 minutes (sadly im not kidding) to activate modules or to warp out.
The lag in these and a few surrounding systems is getting beyond a point that is bearable or forgivable, so I have two questions. First, are Aramachi/Uotila on the same node as Jita? Second, if so is there anyway of compensating for the extra load that Jita puts on this node maybe by shifting these level 4 agents to a system that ISNT on the same node?
I love this game dearly CCP and this lag wont stop me playing, but it would be nice if some of these things could be sorted out.
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BOSSMAN69
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.25 18:45:00 -
[349]
Come on guys, read the news when you log in. Its been a great week and everybody's happy.
Victories are only possible if there is combat
Combat is only possible if there is WAR
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Amox
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2006.09.25 20:46:00 -
[350]
Edited by: Amox on 25/09/2006 20:47:50
Originally by: BOSSMAN69 Come on guys, read the news when you log in. Its been a great week and everybody's happy.
lol like that sig by the way.
Na they just cleared a large chunk of the que out. They never fixed the problem.
The problem is far more reaching than these threads lead us to believe. 7500 petitions! Thats a lot of freaking petitions.
CCP must know that the srever is screwed up, just how bad only they know.
The problems still there though.
What really gets me though is I have to disable sound and cut the graphics to to minimum for the game to even run. It was never like this before. So as it stands I am paying to kinda play a fubared game with half its features turned off, disable all other programs on my computer so I can log on and get booted 20 minutes later.
Yea sounds real fun don't it.
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Dayglow
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Posted - 2006.09.25 23:48:00 -
[351]
I don't even get to be logged in long enough to really experience lag. As soon as I undock everything goes unresponsive and then server reset error. Oddly enough if I stay in station things are usually fine for a while. I love playing Eve and have since I started, but I've been unable to play at all for over a month now. I continue to pay in hopes of things getting better, but patience is wearing thin.
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ericAmerica
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Posted - 2006.09.26 03:05:00 -
[352]
Well I lost a battleship today .......... Pretty easy kill when it takes me a full minute to appear on the other side of a stargate. This is getting absurd. This issue needs to be addressed. I don't know of any business where this kind of performance would be tolerated. I hate to vent on the forums like this but i am just fed up. |
Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.26 06:16:00 -
[353]
Well, I'm back after about a week, and am not seeing much improvement. Can't say I am surprised. I love the blogs where they say they say they are "working on it" and "everything is getting better." Well, maybe it is for some, maybe not. Who can tell with the outright deceptions the devs use? The only "real" thing I have to go off of is the continued HEAVY interest and posting in this thread. Going off of that, I would say things have not much improved at all. The most important thing that has NEVER been addressed in YEARS of patches going to the dogs is: What is going to be done to make sure the paying customers don't have to go through this mess EVERY TIME there is a patch? I guess the reason they never address this question is because the answer is: NOTHING. EVERY patch, over the YEARS, has introduced MAJOR issues, for one portion of the player base or another, without exception. This is proof, beyond any other, that customer satisfaction is a very LOW priority at CCP. I can only hope that they wake up and smell the coffee on the subject before they crash and burn the game.
As an update to my previous posts, of the 30+ subscribers I played with on nearly a daily basis, including myself, there are only 5 left. The rest have terminated their accounts and left for good. So much for a timely response to the needs of its customers from CCP I guess.
I also love the latest blog with the teasers in it about what is coming in Kali. If that wasn't an OBVIOUS pitch to try and get people to stay based on more of the devs empty promises I don't know what is. I laughed so hard at the OBVIOUS nature of that one that I nearly fell out of my chair.
If I can say ANYTHING positive its that I have not been getting dumped by the server AS OFTEN today. But, the lag is still BEYOND unbearable. So, it doesn't help if you can stay connected to the server longer to still accomplish NOTHING because of the lag..... So, I guess despite all of their "talk" in the blogs, they STILL have not done anything to significantly reduce the suffering of the paying customers more than THREE WEEKS after these problems started showing up in massive amounts. Sad CCP. Really sad.
I lost my faith in CCP and the devs a long time ago. With Dragon I am starting to loose my HOPE that they ever will get the patch process right. Without faith, and without hope, whats the point? I will continue to post to bump this as long as I am still a subscriber.... which may not be much longer at this rate.
To the rest of the community, keep them coming! As long as this thread stays alive we have a dim flicker of hope that CCP hears about our suffering and MAY eventually DO something about it.....
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CyberGh0st
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Posted - 2006.09.26 08:56:00 -
[354]
Edited by: CyberGh0st on 26/09/2006 08:56:46 Hey all,
This is my 1st post here, only playing the game for 3 days now.
I just wanted to add that for me, the game is running ok.
I had 2 disconnects yesterday but could logon again right away. Sunday I had some lag when in combat and trying to activate some modules, but just a few seconds. But overall nothing really game breaking. I believe there are around 150 players in the place where I hang around.
So I guess I started to play the game at the right time, when things are improving.
Anyway, compared to WoW there is no problem here with lag and server stability. WoW is in another league of server problems.
Greetings, CyberGh0st.
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Amox
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2006.09.26 13:31:00 -
[355]
Edited by: Amox on 26/09/2006 13:34:06
Originally by: CyberGh0st Edited by: CyberGh0st on 26/09/2006 08:56:46 Hey all,
This is my 1st post here, only playing the game for 3 days now.
I just wanted to add that for me, the game is running ok.
I had 2 disconnects yesterday but could logon again right away. Sunday I had some lag when in combat and trying to activate some modules, but just a few seconds. But overall nothing really game breaking. I believe there are around 150 players in the place where I hang around.
So I guess I started to play the game at the right time, when things are improving.
Anyway, compared to WoW there is no problem here with lag and server stability. WoW is in another league of server problems.
Greetings, CyberGh0st.
LOL just the opposite for me I play WoW as well, I am in a raiding guild, 40 man raids, and none of us have any connection issues. Lag every once and a while peaks here and there but nothing game stopping.
Eve used to be this way back in the day when it was rare to see more than 2000 players on. Ran smooth as silk then. If I start eve client up and see more than 15,000 in I don't even bother logging in. ItÆs not worth my time and aggravation.
The difference between WoW and EVE, the lag is game stopping.
In WoW you get a small repair bill. In EVE you can be set back weeks in time and effort, the loss of a ship can be game stopping for some.
Thats a huge price to pay for CCP to get their little records.
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BOSSMAN69
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:06:00 -
[356]
It would be nice if we just got a comment from the dev's saying we know about the problem and are dealing with it.
Victories are only possible if there is combat
Combat is only possible if there is WAR
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:10:00 -
[357]
Edited by: RtoZ on 26/09/2006 15:11:58 I've been playing eve for 6 months. Before Dragon I have had occasional issues, but the vast majority of time the game was playable, despite allways having been in busy systems with 100+ people and making frequent trips to the Jita market hub in 4-4.
After the patch it's been a catastrophe. The server just cannot handle the traffic. I can't do missions as often as I want to because it simply can't handle peak traffic. And no, I will not give all my nights to EVE just to get low lag. I've lost two bs's because of lag issue, where the game stop responding on my side yet the hitpoints keep adding on the server side. Sure, the petitions gave me my stuff back, well most of it. After weeks of waiting. What about Agent standing? You have to cancel the mission to safely get back you're surviving fittings from the can so you're you're likely to take a huge standing hit. What about income? As you have to invest in another mission running ship and most likely waste yet another day just to get that running. That is, if you are fortunate enough to be able to afford it.
Eve is unplayable atm, you simply cannot play the game the way it is designed. Progress in EVE is designed to be slow. Add the patch and it simple stops. Had it not have been the patch I would allready have my faction Battleship, I put in the hours. But the game has slowed my progress to a crawl. More times than I would like I have to resort to ctrl-q just to avoid the whole hassle of petitions and ship loss. Then I go through the stupid process of rebooting, getting thrown back in the middle of a mission and having to warp out before I get targeted and the game gets stuck again.
But today it really took the cake. I start Guristas extravaganza, target up a nice line of hostiles, turn on the launchers and the ship just targets random units. WTF? Now the game plays itself? I can't target?! I have to watch as my ship spreads missiles all over the place and I get agroed by all the spawns and of course, have to jump out. This is incredible...
I expect EVE will be patched to funcionality over the coming weeks, but we are nowhere near that yet, so don't get too happy CCP. I am not. I spend 6 months building a character that basically is only good for running PVE missions, yes, your skill system forces specialization, have you not noticed?, and now the bugs in the system put me up **** creek without a paddle. Is it my fault I am playing in the caldari systems? Do you expect me to walk away from 400k LP because your server cannot handle system traffic? Not to mention all the other quirky bugs that screw me over on what seems like a weekly basis. And a petition wait of 2 weeks... I can only imagine how much pretend money this patch has cost me. I fully expect a market crash if every mission runner is having the problems I am.
I'll end my rant with a request: If you cannot get the further patches at a much higher level of stability than this one, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not deploy them. Spend the time fixing what we allready have. I do not care about new ships or skills or stations if I cannot get out of the quagmire you have thrown me into long enough to make the isk to pay for them. And I'm sure everyone here, if they think about it, will agree with me.
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ericAmerica
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:57:00 -
[358]
Emergency patch tomorrow.. Lets cross our fingers...... |
Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:11:00 -
[359]
RtoZ.... faction battlesheep = ~650k LP.... you're still short.
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Timura
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:23:00 -
[360]
Edited by: Timura on 26/09/2006 22:23:48
Originally by: RtoZ I have to watch as my ship spreads missiles all over the place and I get agroed by all the spawns and of course, have to jump out. This is incredible...
That IS incredible, that you could actually warp. Instead of waiting till 25% Shields to hit my Booster, i'll just wait till 50% before i Quit out, It'll probably boost my survival. I've already lost one ship to this crap, LUCKILY it wasn't my main PVE ship, But as this has been going on for so long i have absolutly no funds.....So had it been my main ship, i would have been boned.
It's too bad really, i loved this game. CCP, say hi to the E&B guys when you get to the bottom of the drain.
EDIT: WOOHOO, 13 Pages of Angry CUSTOMERS and not one word from CCP.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Need A Sig. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Maclone
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Posted - 2006.09.27 03:40:00 -
[361]
*signed* I'm just shutting off my accounts, See you all in a month or two maybe
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Kaalinashi
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Posted - 2006.09.27 05:51:00 -
[362]
Myself, my wife Tara Reah, my son Draggon, and my daughter, Secquoia all play this game.
We are not far from terminating our accounts, 5 of them, if this problem is not fixeds soon.
I played Eve in Beta, and have played it since then for the most part. I have seen every imaginable issue in Eve, and up in till recently they have been addressed to some degree. I can tell you, alot of the 03 players are already gone, this is sure to make the rest of us decide to do the same, and a lot of other ppl as well. What kind of impression does this give to the precious new players that CCP covets so much. We old farts have put up with lots, and it is high time everyone in Eve gets some satisfaction and some customer service.
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Cown
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.27 06:19:00 -
[363]
Problem is being fixed today!
WOHOOO PARTY PARTY! \\o o// \o/ _o/ \o_ ||o \|o _o_ o|/ o|| ~o_ _o~
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Dissolutor
Minmatar District of Power
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Posted - 2006.09.27 06:21:00 -
[364]
omg yes!
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Killan Darkwater
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Posted - 2006.09.27 07:09:00 -
[365]
Signed and agree 100% CCP do something ...
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:21:00 -
[366]
Edited by: Dark Motoko on 27/09/2006 18:22:11 Nice. Let's have a looksee...
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JFxSummoner
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Posted - 2006.09.27 19:02:00 -
[367]
ok patch deployed today, i am out in pure blind 2 peeps in system and chat is lagged like 15secs and module activation still lagged way out 15 secs or so, not just me alliance is getting lag all over eve seems still nothing has been solved........
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Mylinn Funi
IMPERIAL SENATE
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:05:00 -
[368]
Seriously bad lag in vale. Started yesterday and has gotten worse now after the patch.
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Kadonite
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Posted - 2006.09.28 03:15:00 -
[369]
Agreed with everything that everyone has said, Ive lost 2 battleships (+7 minutes of lag) on lvl 2 to missions the second one, I went.. got another Proph. Tried to go back in, fitted it with shield expanders/Armour plates, making sure it has like 3000 extra armour/shield. Then I relealise I cant actually get to my module can.. so i try to warp out... first attempt after about 30-40 seconds was still trying to warp, so I CTRL+SPACE, try again... still doesnt work, after about the 4th attempt still didnt warp out.. so I lost my second Proph... in 10 minutes, on a Lvl 2 mission..
Crazy huh?..
I think its good that we have 30K of players.. and I dont think that there is much that CCP can do in the short-term to increase both power or bandwidth..
Atleast ive had 1 of my ships replaced... and im waiting to here about the other 2...
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ericAmerica
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Posted - 2006.09.28 03:20:00 -
[370]
After latest patch(9-27-06) Everything is working as good or > pre dragon patch. No lag to be found. Thank you CCP. Also thanks to Cedega. |
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Crystalium
Minmatar NawaK Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 09:04:00 -
[371]
Really ?
I played yesterday after patch deployment, dunno if it was hope blinding my eyes, for the 30 first minutes i thought lag was gone .. and then i took a lvl 4 mission a little bit more difficult, lag was back, some explosion were causing 3-5 sec freezes, modules activating between 1-10 sec, and can opening in 2-10 sec ..
Still the same even after this "all is resolved" patch :/
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Prant
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Posted - 2006.09.28 10:22:00 -
[372]
On a first take, looks even worse to me after the patch. Nice.
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Malryn
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:10:00 -
[373]
I've only been playing a week so I have no clue about the history of lag.
Pre-patch it was noticeable during combat but not out of control.
I get "ticks" or "hiccups" (less than a second) lag about every minute or two. Doesn't hamper gameplay just something I notice.
After the patch the combat lag is almost gone but now I'm getting FPS slowdowns on a regular basis which is worse than the orginal lag. Doesn't matter what I'm doing and doesn't seem to be tied to what's going on in-game. I can fight a whole battle with very minor lag or I can just be mining with not nearly a soul nearby and my FPS will drop for a couple seconds.
3.0 ghz Pentium D 2 GB RAM ATI x1600 w/512 MB FIOS Internet connection
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:15:00 -
[374]
Originally by: Crystalium Really ?
I played yesterday after patch deployment, dunno if it was hope blinding my eyes, for the 30 first minutes i thought lag was gone .. and then i took a lvl 4 mission a little bit more difficult, lag was back, some explosion were causing 3-5 sec freezes, modules activating between 1-10 sec, and can opening in 2-10 sec ..
That's client stutter you are refering to there. Quite a different problem from lag. Lag never affects framerate.
I can assure you that stuttering has improved back to the level of pre-Dragon. That doesn't mean it's gone away though, that would require a new software engineering approach by CCP.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:29:00 -
[375]
Originally by: Solbright
Originally by: Crystalium Really ?
I played yesterday after patch deployment, dunno if it was hope blinding my eyes, for the 30 first minutes i thought lag was gone .. and then i took a lvl 4 mission a little bit more difficult, lag was back, some explosion were causing 3-5 sec freezes, modules activating between 1-10 sec, and can opening in 2-10 sec ..
That's client stutter you are refering to there. Quite a different problem from lag. Lag never affects framerate.
You're kinda wrong. There's lotsa reasons affecting framerate depending on application' realization. If it's waiting for some data to refresh screen, as it is in EVE client - then yep, lag affects framerate. Not framerate actually, "game smoothness" would be more appreciate. __________ Ban Grez. Fanboys must die. |
Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:38:00 -
[376]
Originally by: Akira Ito Not framerate actually, "game smoothness" would be more appreciate.
Yep, lag affects what appears where but it has zero effect on the actual framerate. Any reduction in framerate is for other reasons like rendering complexity for example.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:51:00 -
[377]
Originally by: Solbright
Yep, lag affects what appears where but it has zero effect on the actual framerate. Any reduction in framerate is for other reasons like rendering complexity for example.
Wrong. Lag affects what appears not only "where" but "when" as well. Your statement is correct only if 1) we're asking for an old data with already known position 2) we have some kinda approximating algorythm to reduce lag consequences (I bet EVE have it)
If we're asking for a new data w/o known position, EVE is waiting for data to display it and refresh the screen. It leads to severe framedrops and game freezing. __________ Ban Grez. Fanboys must die. |
Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.28 12:00:00 -
[378]
Edited by: Solbright on 28/09/2006 12:00:44
Games don't wait for network traffic to arrive. The data is processed as it arrives. The framerate will not be affected by late data arriving. Agreed, what, where and when things appear on the display is affected by lag.
I can see we are saying the same things, I'm just trying to clearly state the framerate point is all. So maybe there will be a few less people complaining about the network and servers when the problem is bad client performance instead.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.28 12:53:00 -
[379]
Edited by: Akira Ito on 28/09/2006 12:54:36
Originally by: Solbright
Games don't wait for network traffic to arrive.
Depends on realization.
Originally by: Solbright
The data is processed as it arrives.
Yep. And if you're jumping into the new system - no data about this system - game freezes. Jumping to the gate - no data about its surroundings - game freezes. Opening can - no data about its contents - game freezes. Modules activating - no data from server confirming their activation - game freezes. So it's up to situation and algorythms used.
Originally by: Solbright The framerate will not be affected by late data arriving. Agreed, what, where and when things appear on the display is affected by lag.
That guy said nothing about "framerate", he was just stating that his client freezes:
Originally by: Crystalium ...some explosion were causing 3-5 sec freezes, modules activating between 1-10 sec, and can opening in 2-10 sec ..
It's definitely lag. Not sure why you're calling it "framerate". Those issues has nothing to do with framerate.
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Cyclo
Caldari Rogue Chrome Angelz
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:05:00 -
[380]
since this new patch eve has been running like a dog for me! loads of lag while trying to go through gates and docking, server disconects all over the place! as well as problems logging back on afterwards!
im not impressed with this so called fix!!
ok. thats my rant overwith!
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:10:00 -
[381]
Freezing is a loss of framerate, total loss, zilch. I labelled it "client stutter".
The game is not freezing due to lack of data, it's freezing due to crunching time required on the new data that has already arrived.
Lets take module activation for example, you click on one, it goes down and up again, packet is sent to server, some time passes with nothing much changing but you still have full framerate, server sends back the module activation, client recieves that and has to change on-screen behaviour at which point there is sometimes a noticable stutter.
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CyberGh0st
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:12:00 -
[382]
What I dont understand from many of the people here is that even tho CCP aknowledges the problem and tells us they are working on it, many still say that CCP says nothing and there is no news and no word on a possible solution ...
I mean read the following links then :
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=377
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=376
http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1259&tid=1
http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1264&tid=1
The earliest was on 16 september, so I really dont understand why people are saying that nothing is being done.
I dont say the situation is good, but saying nothing is being done and no one is telling what is going on is just not true.
Or did you expect a reply here? It would be buried in seconds and only a handfull of people would have read it.
Greetings, CyberGh0st.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:17:00 -
[383]
Originally by: CyberGh0st Or did you expect a reply here? It would be buried in seconds and only a handfull of people would have read it.
Nah, they want personal emails, and txts and ICQs and tons of appologies all day long.
Just ignore them.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:24:00 -
[384]
Originally by: Solbright Freezing is a loss of framerate, total loss, zilch. I labelled it "client stutter".
The game is not freezing due to lack of data, it's freezing due to crunching time required on the new data that has already arrived.
Yep, and his client stutters with opening cans cuz his videocard is not powerful enough to display it.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:33:00 -
[385]
Originally by: Akira Ito
Originally by: Solbright Freezing is a loss of framerate, total loss, zilch. I labelled it "client stutter".
The game is not freezing due to lack of data, it's freezing due to crunching time required on the new data that has already arrived.
Yep, and his client stutters with opening cans cuz his videocard is not powerful enough to display it.
You fanboys are amazing. Discussion closed.
Dunno how you could call me a fan boy when I'm putting the blame on the quality of the programming team at CCP.
BTW: Graphics card is rarely to blame for Eve performance.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:43:00 -
[386]
Originally by: Akira Ito
Yep, and his client stutters with opening cans cuz his videocard is not powerful enough to display it.
You fanboys are amazing. Discussion closed.
Okay, let's reopen it for a while.
Originally by: Solbright
Dunno how you could call me a fan boy when I'm putting the blame on the quality of the programming team at CCP.
BTW: Graphics card is rarely to blame for Eve performance.
Please give me at least one reason for client to stutter with opening can w/o lag involved? __________ Fanboys' inability to make obvious conclusions leads to excitement causing endorphines influx causing shortage of brain oxygen supply leading to further logic malfunctioning. |
Malryn
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:54:00 -
[387]
I'm not sure about the technical debate but I know I'm talking about 2 separate symptoms. After the patch I traded in what is commonly considered lag for FPS drops at random intervals which I was not experiencing before the patch.
I'm not bashing the company, I was just wondering if this issue is bothering others and if there's any official news or user tips to take care of it.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.28 13:56:00 -
[388]
It's just like my description of the module activation, once the item list is received the client has to display it, at this point you see a stutter while the client stop rendering to sort out what to do with the items.
Another similar thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=395016
It's almost 2:00 AM, sorry, I'm off to bed for now.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.28 14:05:00 -
[389]
Edited by: Akira Ito on 28/09/2006 14:06:52 Edited by: Akira Ito on 28/09/2006 14:06:03
Originally by: Solbright It's just like my description of the module activation, once the item list is received the client has to display it, at this point you see a stutter while the client stop rendering to sort out what to do with the items.
Client stop rendering to sort out what to do with the items in the looted can?
My grandma is much better with software architecture basics.
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ATOM ANT
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Posted - 2006.09.28 22:38:00 -
[390]
Yeah.. Clean up the lag issue before you introduce anything new. The game is getting difficult to play because there is more time spent waiting to do even simple things.
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Amox
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:09:00 -
[391]
Well a day after patch and I still can't stay connected.
Time to move on I guess cuz this **** is getting old.
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CyberGh0st
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Posted - 2006.09.29 09:17:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Amox Well a day after patch and I still can't stay connected.
Time to move on I guess cuz this **** is getting old.
Really strange, for me everything ran almost perfect yesterday.
I even was away for 3 hours and when I came back I was still online ...
My disconnection problems are over.
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CyberGh0st
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Posted - 2006.09.29 09:20:00 -
[393]
Edited by: CyberGh0st on 29/09/2006 09:20:31 Oh to the people discussing stuff about lag and fps earlier :
Lag and FPS are 2 seperate things :
Lag is caused by connection / server issues. FPS drops are a purely client issue, or perhaps sometimes bad programming or sloppy programming ( taking up too many resources )
I think some people here are mixing that stuff up.
As far as I see there are no FPS problems here, but only Lag / Server issues.
But like I said before, for me these problems are solved now.
Greetings, CyberGh0st.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.09.29 11:57:00 -
[394]
Interesting that you should say you've not had a framerate problem. You aren't first to say that; and so far I've not identified any particular hardware config that is common.
Just to clarify - Open your market, untick "Show Only Available", then in the Browse tab open the "Skills -> Spaceship command" section. This should cause a short stutter or two as the Groups tab is filled with the full list of ship skills.
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Tyler Lowe
Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.29 17:02:00 -
[395]
Patch day went smoothly, and then there was today.
Warp in to Pirate Invasion.
Screen freezes.
I can hear garbled explosions and the occasional clipped lock tone, telling me things are getting bad, but the lag is so horrific, I can only manage to get a lock on one npc.
Thinking it may clear up, I attempt to activate my weapons on the npc cruiser. Activation tones interrupt the garbled explosions and lock tones periodically, but damage isn't updating on the npc cruiser. I'm starting to worry at this point, and decide discretion is the better part of valor.
Activate shield boost, wait 45 seconds for the right click menu for bookmarks to come up. I can hear the module activation tone kick in 15 seconds later, but no visual confirmation that it's active.
Wait an additional 30 seconds for the highlighted bookmark to open. Damage isn't properly updating on my shields, but I can hear the garbled explosions mounting in intensity.
Wait another 30 seconds for the warp to within 15 km window to expand.
Click on warp to within 15km and begin to sweat, as I watch my cap indicator on my Fleet Tempest update every 15 seconds or so dipping ever lower. This is actually mixed feedback, because at least at this point I know my shield boost has been active.
Achieve warp out in another 20 seconds.
NPC's destroyed: 1 angel cruiser
15% capacitor remaining when I hit the station and breathed a sigh of relief that I could safely log off, and for once was thrilled to log off rather than sad to see my game time ending.
I love playing Eve, but as the performance of the game worsens, I find myself looking for other things to do. This isn't a flame on CCP, it isn't some vague "fix it or I'm cancelling my 15 accounts" type of empty threat (I have exactly one account, so small potatoes). I don't want to leave, I'd rather not cancel, but please fix this all the same before doing *anything* further with content.
A game that's unplayable, no matter how great in design isn't worth paying for.
J.A.F.O.
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Karash Amerius
Amarr O.E.C
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Posted - 2006.09.29 21:05:00 -
[396]
AMD 64 X2 3800+ Manchester 2.0 Gig Processor ASUS A8N32-SLI Motherboard Corsair XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR 433 RAM eVGA GeForce 7800GTX 256mb Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10k RPM SATA150 HD Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.1 Sound Card Plextor Slot Load 16x DVD-R Enermax Liberty 620W Power Supply
CTDs...at least once an hour. Generally coming out of a gate or station.
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Crypt
Gallente Raging Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:45:00 -
[397]
The game is broken plain and simple. When 130 players can crash a node by just trying to play the game that should tell you something. The client crashes are due to a mem leak which is all to obvious and cannot be blamed on the clients machine any longer, its to widespread for their machines being blamed as the cause.
Maybe CCP needs to rethink the "all on one cluster" strategy. I doubt there is a fix for the amount of people that are currently on the ONE cluster. Limit the cluster use to 10k, add another, problem solved.
It is CCPs game but like someone else posted in this thread earlier even a dog will only be mistreated for so long before it runs off.
Is this the beginning of the end for eve? Or can it be salvaged and repaired?
Quote: It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief
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Nhaz
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.01 07:02:00 -
[398]
I am going to have to post here as well saying that the lag recently is getting out of hand. I can no longer take on pvp due to the wait times on commands i give my ship. im getting pwnt out there.
My system specs also are greater by a fair chunk then the requirements of the game. adding a bookmark can get me 10-15 second wait times. trying to warp to one may take 10 seconds at times.
My internet connection is capable of downloading at over 600k per sec steady. I play FPS games with 60 people on each team trying to blow each other up with less lag from a 10 man team in eve. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
It's NOT paranoia, If they REALLY ARE out to get you! |
Hellraiza666
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.01 15:11:00 -
[399]
lag has been getting worse and worse, and ccp keep boastin even more and more players on their servers but at this rate they goin to lose players if they dont fix the dam lag. Then they goin have to boast they only have 5000 online.
Do something, stop more trial accounts, stop new people from joinin, i dont care just stop tryin to increase the amount of players until you can get your dam servers to work.
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sukurnanghaa
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Posted - 2006.10.01 16:36:00 -
[400]
Edited by: sukurnanghaa on 01/10/2006 16:43:20 i have the same issues with the server, allready lots 2 apocalypses durin two weeks... you play, and at a moment, the server don't respond anymore.. if they like to answer petitions, no problem, i had some more... i blame them... why???
1/ they are makin us loose a lot of time on patch days, (that don't resolve the issues).
2/ they talk about kali since a long time, but nothin happen. they think calm us down, talkin about, but, NOW WE WANT MORE!! (as we pay, we must have what we want)
3/ they oftenly respond "check your connection, your harware.... but, why they don't try it first.?? (runnin a blade server!!! check the UMA problem advices with that server, a big number of issues are known..)
4/ will they, a day, do a commercial gift (gametime) for all of us that are payin, and loosin a lot of gametime due to these server issues??? NO NEVER, they don't care about you..
I think now it's time for CCP to listen to it's customers, as we are customers... cause i allready know some guys that have canceled them accounts, due to the annoying bugs..
and don't forget that: The most dangerous PVPer on EVE is the server, he can put you down at anytime, anywhere, without mercy..
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Edmond Parh
Universal Exports
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:31:00 -
[401]
Just had to post here about the lag, absolutely the worst i have seen it in two and a half years. Its not isolated, has been happening for weeks now and no sign of improvement.
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Cown
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.02 11:01:00 -
[402]
*sigh*
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ClogMan
Caldari Caldari Anvil
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Posted - 2006.10.03 11:35:00 -
[403]
14 pages of comments and no official CCP reply ?
/signed btw
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Timura
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Posted - 2006.10.04 23:42:00 -
[404]
Nope, Gonna make sure this eyesore stays on the First page...
/signed x3
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 07:03:00 -
[405]
I gave up replying to this topic... 14 friggin' pages and apparently GMs just ignore this section of the boards. They respond to the most trivial BS posts, but when it actually comes to people experiencing gameplay issues, they're mysteriously silent.
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Vitrael
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Posted - 2006.10.05 21:47:00 -
[406]
I realize CCP is doing nothing about this topic right now, but I thought I'd add my story today anyway. I just warped to a fairly risky deadspace zone, charged headlong in and was doing pretty well. I was about halfway through my shields when I realized my shields weren't changing, new targets weren't locking, and I couldn't change my course. It stays completely locked up for 5 minutes with no disconnect message. I close the game and rejoin to find *hooray* I'm in my pod.
In the station it often takes a full minute to bring up sell information on an item. Sometimes it never comes up. Even my character sheet lags. If you close the character sheet before it loads, you can't open it again. Oftentimes when I exit the station I have to stair at a black screen while it's loaded for minutes at a time.
Things weren't like this six months ago. I'll say one thing. There is no reason at all to continue to pay for this game. CCP needs to clean up its act, now.
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Hornious1
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Posted - 2006.10.06 04:50:00 -
[407]
Well, since last Tuesday's patch my gameplay has improved dramatically. The lag is minor and very playable as it was a few months back. I haven't changed anything, I am running two highend PC's, one account on each, on a 10mb/1mb connection. I will be ecstatic if it improves from here or happy if it just doesn't go back to the way it was the last several weeks. Cautiously optimistic for now!
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Phyrexia Tarzig
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Posted - 2006.10.06 18:02:00 -
[408]
Our corp picked Oichiya to set up home in. It wasn't too laggy back then, but the arthritis slowly set in as the months went by. Motsu is right next door, so I figured that might be the problem.
As it got worse, I thought 'sod this' and moved out to Pimebeka: similar population with next to no lag. Although I wandered around Empire a lot, my corpmates stayed in Oichiya. I could always tell when that node crashed (and it crashed a lot) because the lot of them would d/c in unison.
It's a popular area, of course, because every single ******* L4 Caldari Navy agent is in that constellation. All of them. Plus a couple of other L4's. The highest quailty Command agent is in Motsu, along with another L4 agent at the same station. (That would be the one with the logjam of CNR's outside it 23/7).
What's interesting about that is that while Motsu has around 200 folk in local, it's actually less laggy than Oichiya or Aramachi, both of which are on the 40-60 mark. I can only conjecture that CCP are allocating it greater resources at the expense of the rest of the node. Sounds a bit like Kali vs. existing content, somehow.
Anyway, I'd go back to the game now, except that I can't, because of the great new feature they implemented with Dragon: random flurries of CTD's when you least expect it. One Raven and a bunch of gear, plus 30 million in insurance down. Fantastic.
Oh yeah. /SIGNED. |
Heiress
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:37:00 -
[409]
Well I was gonna come back and play..(Been absent from the game for 4 months)..I guess I'll check the forums in a month or two and might rejoin then if CCP gets their sh&t together.
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Rees3
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Posted - 2006.10.06 21:14:00 -
[410]
/signed
i hope their ramsans arrive soon or they can figure out a way to fix the lag but if i cant play without lag all hope is lost and its time to break out the ol counter strike CD's.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.07 00:32:00 -
[411]
yeah, the lag is bad. but saying "all this and no dev response!!! "... well thats just not accurate.
Devs dont always post in every single topic on the forums. Instead they have this ingenious device known as the dev blog. If you check in there, you will see they have recognized the issues we are so concerned about and that they are working on it diligently (even w/ a couple clues to the root of the problem like a bad memory leak)
so... yeah, it might be bad, but they are trying to work on it. As for the whole 'fix probs b4 new content'.. well those are 2 different departments, 2 totally different teams working on 2 totally different goals.
Game content and server stability are 2 different things. I dont think my company would do too good if everytime we had a network issue all our sales teams and development teams were fired or simply shoved into our group to work on the network. I can only imagine accountants and salesmen trying to troubleshoot a carrier class router
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Saul Bullock
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Posted - 2006.10.07 03:46:00 -
[412]
The lag is so bad right now I can't even use the chat box. My messages don't show up. Completely unplayable.
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Drogo Dris
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Posted - 2006.10.07 03:57:00 -
[413]
I agree with the OP. Lag is one of the most serious issues facing Eve and CCP at the moment....and it seems nothing is being done about it. The problem has been evident for weeks now with no resolution. Oftentimes, during the short time I may have set aside personally to play the game, the game ends up being unplayable for me and I log out of frustration. Or just monitor corp and alliance chat while parked in a station and watching television. This is how you lose customers....by allowing this to continue.
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Zanpt
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Posted - 2006.10.07 12:06:00 -
[414]
/signed
Lag is bad in the relatively underpopulated systems where I live and work. I can't imagine anyone surviving PvP or running dangerous missions with this lag. Bugs are pretty bad, too. The game is less and less enjoyable. I'm beginning to get the idea that I'm paying CCP monthly for three accounts as a kind of masochistic exercise. It would be a lot cheaper to just find a small piece of wood and bash myself on the head with for a few hours a day instead of playing Eve. Possible more fun, too.
I think the only thing they will understand is users introducing lag into the $$$ going to CCP. The game is already a lot more expensive than $15 or EU15 per month, since we don't get full months. Every time they apply a "patch" the system gets so screwed up that anyone who has been through that before will not play for a couple of weeks. Then subtract the time for exceptional downtime, sometimes as much as six hours to "fix" things that don't get fixed. Everything just seems to get worse. Then the disconnects, the items that mysteriously vanish, the awful UI behavior, where it seems like it has to consult the server for almost every click and right click, etc.
If this keeps up or gets worse I will definitely suspend my three accounts. If it doesn't get fixed long term I will just kiss the investment of all my time goodbye and cancel. I can find abuse around the corner at local businesses... I don't need to pay to import abuse from Iceland. If they think that registering 30,000 users while no one can enjoy playing the game counts for something, then they are stupid. If they think they can stay on an upward trend while failing to deliver a responsive and reliable game service, then they are stupid.
They are only coasting along for the time being because so many people have invested so much time in training skills and earning isks to buy expensive (too expensive!) ships and equipment that those people don't want to walk away lightly. But eventually EVE will become widely acknowledged as the game no one can enjoy playing, and things will turn downward. The experience players will leave and the noobs will see no reason to stay.
I for one am perfectly willing to help CCP find its destiny by suspending in the near future and cancelling further down the road, if they continue to show that that is how they wish to end up.
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Michuh
Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.07 13:04:00 -
[415]
Ive seen lag in the past, but recently its becomming unbearable, theres lag all the time..
Deep in 0.0, we're getting several 10's of seconds of warp in lag, even with small groups.. 5 - 10 seconds on module activiation, and tryign to tackle hostiles is impossible? how many times to i have to start the target lock on someone thats just decloaked.. Ive seen cruisers warp out one me.. Ive seen afterburning frigates, manage to afterburn out of an interdictor field, before i could get a lock on em, in a doubly sensor boosted hac..
Perhaps its due to several nodes being dedicated to areas of intense PVP.. perhaps, CCP are saving up for new investments in hardware.. either way.. the lag is getting continually worse.. and worse.
Im still a very happy customer over all.. (dispite a few more recent things) But this lag is really making it difficult to keep the less enthusiastic players in the ranks satisfied enough to even login.. nevermind "play" the game.
Ive faith in CCP to eventually resolve the issues, just pray its sooner rather than later :)
♥ michuh
Maelstrom Recruitment
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Tesseract Stringtheory
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Posted - 2006.10.07 13:22:00 -
[416]
One thing to remember about the lag issues. AFAIK, there is no US server, so everyone in the US connects via an OVERSEAS pipe. These pipes are shared- CCP does not have it's very own undersea cable lol - so there is going to be a guaranteed lag factor for everything you do.
That said, I think there are also huge issues with a game design that pulls everthing- and I mean EVERYTHING - from the server every single time you click something. This is a distributed application, which means you should pull everything you can initially and do background preloads and change checks on a constant basis. I work with another application that is designed the same way, and it suffers the exact same unnecessary problems whenever the internet connection at the company gets loaded down (like every day at lunchtime and in the afternoons lol). This application is not pulling big data at all, it pulls tiny little data, but it pulls on each click and cannot respond until it gets the data, just like Eve.
So any internet slowdown at all results in my work being bogged down. On a busy day, my application is near unworkable with 10-30 second delays between clicks, JUST LIKE EVE.
The moral of the story here is that when you make a product, you are responsible for designing to account for all the factors that affect the use of the product for your customers. No customer really cares that you don't own the pipe between your server and them. They just want the product that you sold them to work. |
Uncle Rastus
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Posted - 2006.10.07 15:39:00 -
[417]
Just one big lag fest again today....almost unplayable.
When is this going to end???
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bigfatbird
New Justice
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Posted - 2006.10.07 18:23:00 -
[418]
/signed
It is getting worser with every weekend. Think i will try out reallife for a change.
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Irdirid
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Posted - 2006.10.07 21:46:00 -
[419]
Originally by: bigfatbird /signed
It is getting worser with every weekend. Think i will try out reallife for a change.
+1
Now 5-10 sec lag is very good, 30-60 sec is normal even if 20k online on server. Yesterday was super-lag - I don`t know how long it was, more than >>>10+ MIN<<< (and relogin not helped).
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Zeko Rena
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Posted - 2006.10.08 01:29:00 -
[420]
Well i only really read the first page of this topic, but lots of people were mentioning a certain system, just to add Kusomonmon is also laggy as hell, has anywhere from 50-60 people in system at one time, which isnt alot.
I thought it was my ISP but i must say im relived to see im not the only one having SERIOUS connection issues, i hope they manage to fix the lag soon, i remeber back when i started in 2002 ah EVE was lag free back then, even on dial up (I am on broadband now) :P http://img54.exs.cx/img54/5743/ZekosSigniture.jpg |
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Jan86
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:30:00 -
[421]
I run the game in window mode. I get disconnects all the time. Very frustrating.
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Sin Gin
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Posted - 2006.10.08 11:13:00 -
[422]
over the last several days my games gotten horrible, sittin in station gettin lag spikes where my cursor turns to a crosshair, the avatars are now just lines instead of actual pics and even the text is garbled. ive checked my end, connection, comp, memory, hd..... it runs everything except eve with flying colors. this is NOT what im paying for! eve needs to get there act together or its time to find a new game
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Arfur
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Posted - 2006.10.08 16:28:00 -
[423]
Getting the same thing as the Original poster, which has been happening for ages now, ever since this new Dragon patch. At first it was just very laggy which is really risky on lvl4's, at one point I activated the shield booster to find I couldn't de-activate it.. it finally registered an off command with a sliver of cap left to warp out... but now I'm getting random disconnects as well, and no it's not my broadband connection.
Eve was perfectly playable up till this code patch, now it seems to be getting worse daily.
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Ace Customer
Caldari Pair O' Dice
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Posted - 2006.10.08 18:21:00 -
[424]
I'm pretty sure this is not going to help, but it is something that I feel I must do.I'm a newer player, and I came into the game and absolutly loved it, and I will still state that I beleive this to be a great game. In fact I found it to be such a great game that I recruited my room-mate, my girlfriend, and 5 other friends to play. The intention: learn the game and start our own Corp. Now let's examine where everyone is now in my group. My roomate left the game for EQII again, his first love, and honestly the decision had nothing to do with the server issues. Of the 5 friends, one of them so loved the game that like me he bought a second account, and started to work on them both, before Dragon. After Dragon he decided to drop one of the characters since he was running into a lot of lag issues and assumed it to be running 2 characters at the same time. Unfortunately, that did not solve his lag issues, and now he keeps his skills going on the character he still has in hopes that the problem will be solved, but if it is not, he intends to go back to WoW with the next expansion, and does not even play anymore. His room-mate; also keeps his skills up, doesn't play, and is waiting for WoW, but is actively playing WoW in the meantime.Two more of the friends recruited to this game were brothers, one lost his second 60mil (after mods) BC to lag, and packed up to play EQII with my roomate; his brother, enjoying the social interaction of friends followed suit. The last friend, packed it up within a couple of weeks, and claims it was issues with lag, I'm not completly convinced that's the only reason, he was having issues with the learning curve as well, but it certainly contributed. Now that leaves myself and my GF. We both still play, and we both love the game, but now we play without the benifit of R/L friends, and I usually run one or two missions on a weekend (my days off), and get disgusted with the lag and find something else to do. If the problems persist, we will likely leave the game as well, and that is not stated as a threat, just a reality of the situation. Lag is rough in any game, but in EVE, it is even more so. CCP, you have created a great game, one in which death means a lot. When you loose a ship, even with insurance, it hits you hard. ISK is easy to come by if you work for it, but to loose that hard earned ISK to lag is not a happy experience. Your game is great, but it is not so great that we will willingly continue to pay real life cash, to continue to be hosed by lag. Your game is no cheaper than any other game, and I will grant you it is much better than the others, IMHO, but it is not a viable finacial choice to continue to pay for hope. I've said my peace, and I do hope it will not fall upon deaf ears, but only time will tell. "You keep using that word.... I do not think it means what you think it means." -The Princess Bride- |
Cown
Caldari Shadow League
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Posted - 2006.10.09 07:47:00 -
[425]
come on CCP
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Arondor
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:11:00 -
[426]
I've noticed more lag in 0.0 as well. Especially when multiple ships jump on top of you, or vice versa. It seems to be worse not better over the last few weeks.
Also let me clarify this is not just in large 50 man gangs but in 2 or 3 ships vs 10-15 ships at a gate. This is making any viable "fighting" in pvp as opposed to just one side ganking the other, unviable.
Hope this can be resolved soon
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.10 05:04:00 -
[427]
Edited by: Blank Protection on 10/10/2006 05:12:54 Ok now whe not only have tons of LAG that`s not getting fixed, but also **** loot with every L3 and L4 mission. Picked up 23 ship and cargo scanners today from mission loot. This is getting really bizar. How the hell can you make some ISK in this game this way. That after reading at the front page of this forum about the first Titan that have cost at least 160 billion ISK. No, when lag and **** loot comes together its time to go and pull out the plug of this game for me. This game is one great frustration. Playing for over a year now and already dropped 2 accounts this one is going to be next on the list. Thats why there is a whole big money making business by selling ISK. Getting it out of this game is taking ages,and when you finally got some to buy a nice looking ship fitted with T2 stuff on it the game is freezing in the middle of a battle. Away ISK and your ship
Nop end of line and game for me.
Good luck all.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:12:00 -
[428]
Well, I have been a participant in this thread since near its inception. I haven't replied to it in a while because I felt everyone else was doing a decent job of keeping it alive. But, seeing as how this thread has been alive for OVER a MONTH now, with NO OFFICIAL CCP response to it directly; I thought it was time to pipe in with some reality checks.
It has now been over 3 weeks, working on a MONTH since we were promised the following by the director Oveur in his now infamous Dev blog: "Thank you all for your patience and sticking with us through thick and thin, we will make it up to you in the near future."
From the state of the posts in this thread, and in others, I think I can safely say that things have not improved AT ALL. In all honesty, and despite all of the empty promises to the contrary, it doesn't seem like anyone is trying to do anything about the quality of service issues. I'm not saying that they AREN'T, I am just saying that the devs and GMs must be going to a lot of effort for NOTHING (if they AREN'T outright lieing about their efforts) because the players certainly don't see any action.
Anyway, on with the reality check (all from my point of view and what I have seen in game with my own eyes and experiences):
Promised to fix: Lag with server in missions -------> Reality Check: No change, ships still lost to lag OFTEN Lag in 0.0 space, PvP fleet combat----> Reality Check: No change, or perhaps slightly worse Node Deaths-----------------> Reality Check: No change, still 1-3 node deaths per DAY for me Server Crashes--------------> Reality Check: No change, at LEAST 2 outages over last 3 days Keeping customers informed--> Reality Check: No change, there hasn't been a blog over a week Living up to your word------> Reality Check: No change, my god look at the facts Kali expansions/improvements---> Reality Check: None in sight, only vague promises like all along. REMEMBER we were SUPPOSED to have these enhancements in AUGUST when originally announced, remember that little tidbit? Also, CCP ACCEPTED an AWARD for "inovative game design" TWO MONTHS ago for the in-game voice feature! IT ISN'T EVEN IN THE GAME YET!! MY GOD CAN THE LIES AND DECEPTIONS GET ANY THICKER!?!?
So, these are the facts as I see them. I am not being mean. I am not being overly critical (from my point of view). This is simply the state of things as I see them. I love Eve. I love PLAYING Eve. But, if I can't play Eve because of server issues, and customer service and the devs do nothing but lie to you and abuse your trust, after a while, it really makes you step back and ask what you have left to enjoy or keep playing for.
If anyone has been having any different (better) experiences than the ones I listed above PLEASE list them here! I would like to hear any shred of hope, because as of now, I have been drained of all of it from the continued deceptions from the very top of Eve and the utter lack of ANY sign of progress for over a MONTH now. *
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:17:00 -
[429]
They never said they had fixed it, they said they had improved the situation (which they have), but had not found the real cause, and where still searching for the cause of the problem. It's like trying to scream at your mother for attention, when you already have it. ---
Cache Clearer
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:19:00 -
[430]
Edited by: Sylthi on 10/10/2006 09:19:37
Originally by: Grez They never said they had fixed it, they said they had improved the situation (which they have), but had not found the real cause, and where still searching for the cause of the problem. It's like trying to scream at your mother for attention, when you already have it.
I thought you had given up posting in this thread and stomped off in frustration? Nice to have you back. It's nice to have a little bit of unfounded optimism to balance out the dark reality of the situation. I mean that. *
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:24:00 -
[431]
Originally by: Sylthi Edited by: Sylthi on 10/10/2006 09:19:37
Originally by: Grez They never said they had fixed it, they said they had improved the situation (which they have), but had not found the real cause, and where still searching for the cause of the problem. It's like trying to scream at your mother for attention, when you already have it.
I thought you had given up posting in this thread and stomped off in frustration? Nice to have you back. It's nice to have a little bit of unfounded optimism to balance out the dark reality of the situation. I mean that.
Yeah, the attitude of some of the people who ask for help has been less than great lately, "so why not just take a peek?", I thought. And there's no unfounded optimism, if you read Oveur's DevBlog, he replies with almost exactly what I did - They made some fixes to improve the situation, but havn't found the real cause yet. ---
Cache Clearer
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:33:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Grez
Originally by: Sylthi Edited by: Sylthi on 10/10/2006 09:19:37
Originally by: Grez They never said they had fixed it, they said they had improved the situation (which they have), but had not found the real cause, and where still searching for the cause of the problem. It's like trying to scream at your mother for attention, when you already have it.
I thought you had given up posting in this thread and stomped off in frustration? Nice to have you back. It's nice to have a little bit of unfounded optimism to balance out the dark reality of the situation. I mean that.
Yeah, the attitude of some of the people who ask for help has been less than great lately, "so why not just take a peek?", I thought. And there's no unfounded optimism, if you read Oveur's DevBlog, he replies with almost exactly what I did - They made some fixes to improve the situation, but havn't found the real cause yet.
Yes, I remember the bit about "not knowing exactly what was wrong". And honestly, that's kinda my point, so I am glad you brought it up specifically. They have had over a MONTH to figure it out. If they haven't figured out what they did to break it in the first place in over a MONTH, and been able to implement a fix in that time, then I would suggest they DESPERATLEY NEED to hire some people who know a little bit more about the systems they are using because they OBVIOUSLY need some more professional help.....
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:36:00 -
[433]
Apparently, acording to Sharkbait (I think) in one of the General Discussion threads, it requires much low level coding to fix, and it's quite tricky, and complicated on a scale of EVE's, which requires much time spent on analysising such things.
On an high note, me and 100 others where on Sini last week testing lag, and trying to cause the node to crash, so Tanis could compile some data to find out where the problems where leading, and in which specific area. So it's not all bad, and I should think that the data Tanis got should be compiled by now, and they're using it to help them find the cause. ---
Cache Clearer
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:43:00 -
[434]
Edited by: Sylthi on 10/10/2006 09:44:52
Originally by: Grez Apparently, acording to Sharkbait (I think) in one of the General Discussion threads, it requires much low level coding to fix, and it's quite tricky, and complicated on a scale of EVE's, which requires much time spent on analysising such things.
On an high note, me and 100 others where on Sini last week testing lag, and trying to cause the node to crash, so Tanis could compile some data to find out where the problems where leading, and in which specific area. So it's not all bad, and I should think that the data Tanis got should be compiled by now, and they're using it to help them find the cause.
That is indeed hopeful news. The first REAL, confirmed, hopeful news I have heard in quite a while. I can only hope it brings about some decent changes to the level of service almost immedaitely and that it isn't far too little, far too late, for many users who haven't already quit, but are on the edge.... I'll give it another couple weeks and then we'll have to do another "reality check."
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LukaG
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Posted - 2006.10.10 15:23:00 -
[435]
/signed
I know you run a business CCP, in the interests of your long term business health maybe its time you took a temp hit to your massive profits and invested some money in greater hardware/staff to fix the issues raised here.
Good luck with it all, still a great game and one worth fixing.
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Crystalium
Minmatar NawaK Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.10 17:27:00 -
[436]
How to reduce the will to play ?
I just came back from work (i'm french)
I'm happy, taking a cold beer, can log on and go lvl 4 a bit ..
"so .. sansha nation pirate invasion lvl 4 . yay" "ah, i was fit with explosive torps .. removing charges .. 5-10 sec each launcher .. ok it's lagging" "stack torps .. 30 secs" "moving torps to my giant secure container "ammo" .. 30 secs" "moving EM torps to launchers .. 5-15 sec each" -> will to play -75%
"i think i'll just do this one and go watching a movie or playing another game .. i'm happy i paid more than 10 Ç to play 20-30 minutes a day .. really .."
Please .. talk to us .. tell us something, tell us you're aware of it and working on it .. it makes nearly a month it's unplayable ..
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Hazor Dris
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Posted - 2006.10.10 17:54:00 -
[437]
-Signed I have waited and waited for CCP to sort it out, they usually do...but this time it is becoming quite lengthy. I have very little time to play EVE and when i am able to play, the lag is just frustrating. Just the other day we were hunting pirates and had chased them farther south from our current position, we had a 20 man gang and suddenly our scout hit "Traffic advisory warning" and there was a 2 minute wait to jump into the next system...the whole op was called off because of it. Additionally i hear about the whole war for UNITY station being called on account of lag...that just shows how rediculously huge the problem is becoming.
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:42:00 -
[438]
They are still searching for the issue that's causing the servers to eat up memory. The testing we did on Sini last week should help them in their investigations on getting TQ up and running properly again. The only thing you can do is WAIT unfortunatly, like the rest of us. ---
Cache Clearer
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Sombike
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Posted - 2006.10.11 01:43:00 -
[439]
Edited by: Sombike on 11/10/2006 01:43:43 Yeah, put ur skilltraining on a Long long skill 30Days, and dont pay for the comming month. When u get back the month after that, see if the problem is solved, if not repeat option one ...
Hope they get it Fixed soon though ...
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Kitara Majere
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Posted - 2006.10.11 03:16:00 -
[440]
Looks like this thread has worked to some degree. (Sever is down as i write this) A small patch that did effect a minor performance increase. To be honest this is probly the first thread i can remember where it wasnt just one person saying, "its unplayable, i quit" and 200 people saying, Can I have your stuff! CCP wants to create their game, their way. no matter what we the customers want. and they have proved that time and time again. CCP needs to respect the people who love this game for what it is no matter the faults. and at least try to keep things stable anuff for the paying customers to enjoy what thier paying for. yea its a small price a month and loosing a day is no big deal, couple cents a day, but multiple account over years its a large amount of cash. I'm in a very small corp and monthly with all our accounts added up to close to $5,000.00 USD a month. and we are paying this to be docked so we dont loose the ships we spent hours and hours working to get, and months and months of training time to be able to use. as far as this patch was supposed to be this day. ccp is damned if they do and damned if they dont. patch comes without us knowing and we scream about not being told. if they tell us its going to be next week. and they cant deliver we want heads because its not here. Kali's looking great and all, but it does us no good if we can't play it does it. Eve is always evolving and changing. and CCP love's to have RECORD USERS sitting in a station because they cant do anything. to be honest the perfomance of eve has sucked since Coldwar. Yes we have record users that cant play the game. Nobody is going to be happy untill cpp gets eve performing back to Castor Standards, which i dont see happoning becuase of a client that needs a serious overhaul, and servers that are unstable and trying to deal with the massive amount of users. the good news you ask....those of us that wait it out....massive players will quit and the servers will have less lag. speaking of lag i have a suggestion for ccp that will massive reduce lag. give everyone a week to pull in any cans they have in space. and after that week delete all cans in space. they clutter the overview, there all you can see in the belts. and they have to take alot of resorces, speaking of resorces we had our drones cut back from 10/15 drones in space to 5, ccp promised that by cutting the number down we would have less lag, we whined, they took them away, and after that patch and every other we have had more and more lag, so damnit give us our drones back while your at it. We need friends to play with while we sit in our hangers and wait......
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.11 03:23:00 -
[441]
Well, there is yet ANOTHER server outage to add to my "reality check" list..... I think the post above has a good idea. I think its time for EVERYONE to start giving themselves a 50% price break since CCP seems disinclined to compensate us as they should. (Meaning FIX the darn problems, or start handing out subscription refunds.) As stated may times before, I am not holding my breathe for either. But, as stated above: Start paying for one month, then the day your month of service runs out, start a 30-45 day skill training. It WILL run while you aren't paying. Just mark it on your calendar and come back later. Pay for another single month; wash, rinse, and repeat. At least, keep doing it until CCP runs out of second chances in your book.... *
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g0nadzintherain
Caldari Crazy 88's O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.10.11 06:22:00 -
[442]
/signed
i understand that there are huge probs and they take time to resolve but CCP - look at the lenght of this thread, wud be nice to have eaven a small official responce ie. "we're workin on it, bear with us" but no, nothing. that kinda makes me feel that they realy don't care about theyr players (proly not true, but the feeling is there...).
Thank you, g0n ------ I used to be a werewolf but I'm OK nowwwwuuuuuuuu ! ------ |
Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.11 06:23:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Sylthi Start paying for one month, then the day your month of service runs out, start a 30-45 day skill training. It WILL run while you aren't paying. Just mark it on your calendar and come back later. Pay for another single month; wash, rinse, and repeat.
Maybe i missing something here but not paying is not playing and also not training skills. At the moment you stop paying the whole game stops for yah. So where did you get the stupid idea to train skills while your not paying for the game because thats complete new for me.
Sorry again if i mis something here but what your saying doesnt make sense to me at all.
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Sombike
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Posted - 2006.10.11 07:24:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Blank Protection
Originally by: Sylthi Start paying for one month, then the day your month of service runs out, start a 30-45 day skill training. It WILL run while you aren't paying. Just mark it on your calendar and come back later. Pay for another single month; wash, rinse, and repeat.
Maybe i missing something here but not paying is not playing and also not training skills. At the moment you stop paying the whole game stops for yah. So where did you get the stupid idea to train skills while your not paying for the game because thats complete new for me.
Sorry again if i mis something here but what your saying doesnt make sense to me at all.
Welll, when i didnt pay for the comming month and put my skill to train Frig lvl 5, it worked pretty good ... i think it was 35 days. When i came back it was kinda ... Completed! :P
Dunno, maybe they patched it now that skill training wont work, when u havnt payed, im not sure ...
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Joez
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Posted - 2006.10.11 13:23:00 -
[445]
I'm having same disconnect issues. When I'm undocking or warping somewhere or, whatever, nothing happens (it just lags) and then I'm getting disconnected. In background I'm pinging google.com - no packet loss, ping is absolutely stable at 20 ms.
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Calynus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:13:00 -
[446]
I took almost a month "off" while a long skill was training to give CCP some time to get the performance problems licked and I did read Oveur's "apology" to the community and the promises that performance fixes were coming soon.
Well, I've been resubbed for 4 days and they aren't fixed. It's just as laggy and unstable as before. I am afraid to try to run any level 4 missions because I've almost lost ships before due to lag and I don't want to take the standings loss for a failed mission. I go online to switch skills and check the market briefly, then I log off. I play 1/10th as much as I did before Dragon, if even that.
I'm going to train up some "quick" skills while my sub is open and if it's not better by the time it runs out again early next month, I'll set another long skill and take another break. If it's still not fixed at that time, I'll just sell out and be done with EVE for good.
Instability, lag, bad customer service, huge petition queues, not banning blatant exploiters....where did the darling of the MMO community go? They need to stop learning from SOE or they're not going to have much of a loyal customer base left.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.12 03:12:00 -
[447]
Edited by: Sylthi on 12/10/2006 03:13:02
Originally by: Blank Protection
Originally by: Sylthi Start paying for one month, then the day your month of service runs out, start a 30-45 day skill training. It WILL run while you aren't paying. Just mark it on your calendar and come back later. Pay for another single month; wash, rinse, and repeat.
Maybe i missing something here but not paying is not playing and also not training skills. At the moment you stop paying the whole game stops for yah. So where did you get the stupid idea to train skills while your not paying for the game because thats complete new for me.
Sorry again if i mis something here but what your saying doesnt make sense to me at all.
Ok, say you pay for 30 days of game time. You place a 45 day train time skill to start on day 29 of your paid subscription. The last skill you had training, EVEN AFTER YOUR SUBSCRIPTION RUNS OUT, keeps going until it is done. You come back on day 75 or so, pay for another month and see if things are better. If not, go for another 30-45 day training skill when you next month you paid for is about to run out. It actually DOES work this way. Your training keeps going for the last skill you had going until it is done after your subscription runs out. I have done it several times myself when I have been completely disgusted with CCP and the dev's lack of progress. Ask anyone in the know, they will tell you the same thing. Heck, ask a GM, they will tell you the same thing. Happy to help you get a 50% discount on your training. Note: You will not actually be able to PLAY while you are not subscribing, but with the servers the way they are you really can't do that anyway... so.....
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RipperXXX
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:31:00 -
[448]
Lag problem is terrible, someone said already? ______________________________________________ I'm the worst nightmare for pirates...I never have nothing to loot!!! |
Xaria
Ogame Veterans
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Posted - 2006.10.12 18:05:00 -
[449]
Edited by: Xaria on 12/10/2006 18:06:01 If it were only lag... thats the second day I can't even do anyting - I undock, I give the command to warp to the next stargate, I get disconnected - quite annoying
[Edit] And no, its not my ISP, everthing else runs fine...[/Edit]
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haq aan
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Posted - 2006.10.12 18:21:00 -
[450]
Writing down personal experiences r worthless. LAG is a fact! We ll not be satisfied with a Dev response , promises, or with the new toys in the upcoming patch. We want to see positive results..period!
haq aan
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Cirale
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.10.12 18:25:00 -
[451]
/signed
because I've spent more time in the last month tweaking my system and learning what can be tweaked than I have playing eve.
because I've methodically tried everything I have come across that has been suggested, both here and elsewhere to boost game/system function.
because everything I do eventually has no lasting effect, and I continue to CTD and/or lag.
because if someone like me with above average computer skills, years of online gaming experience (and how to get games to play dispite the creators best efforts to make them unstable via "patches") can not get the game to be playable, what can be said about the average joe?
because I love this game and have faith in CCP, or else I would have packed up and moved on/back to another game by now if I didnt care...... and this last reason is the real bummer, because as it seems in the moment, CCP is dropping the ball. I hope I am wrong on this one, but you can be sure this thread isnt going away until things get fixed, or at least acknowledged in a bigger way.
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Max Torps
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Posted - 2006.10.12 20:05:00 -
[452]
I'm a new player and suffered from CTD and occasional lag but as the announcement when logging back on explained that only a certain number of trial accounts were allowed online at the same time, I thought that upgrading to paid as I have done would have got rid of the CTD which I seriously thought was a limiting mechanism for trials.
I was wrong.
It continues now that I've paid just the same. There can be several hours of play with no problem followed by flurries of CTD for no apparent reason. Annoying.
I really feel for every player that is affected by this and would like the issue sorted out alongside many of you. So that is why I'm signing this.
/sign
p.s. I've done the evelog trick - no effect, I've done the windowed mode trick - no effect except really awful framerate, I've tried the regedit hack and created a new dword as decribed - no effect.
I've wiped my drive (this pc is used purely for gaming and is clean anyway) and reinstalled XP, updated all service packs and updates, installed all the latest drivers and reinstalled EVE. Still no change, still CTD as described.
I've tried EVE on TWO other PC's that I have, same effect. This is not a client side issue, it is a problem with the game code, the server or their network infrastructure.
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The Chauffeur
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Posted - 2006.10.12 21:05:00 -
[453]
well, the game runs fine (i.e. loads and very few CTDs) on both of my computers, but the lag is a real pain. i started in august though, so i can't tell if this is the norm or not.
i do get more lag issues now than when i started though.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 03:15:00 -
[454]
Aramachi is still laggy, after 6 friggin' weeks.
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Sal Alo
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Posted - 2006.10.13 11:55:00 -
[455]
CCP should understand that we really need a performance boost instead of a big expansion that probably will make performance worse!
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Folliven
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Posted - 2006.10.14 16:42:00 -
[456]
Unplayable today in Isik/jita/Juun sreas! Again. Has there been a dev response to this KNOWN problem?
Love EVE but this is unacceptable.
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PC5
ClanKillers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 00:10:00 -
[457]
After 4h of looking for enemies, when we found some, node crashes 2 times at begining of the battle. Fun fun fun....
Ive joined this game year ago but i feel that lag is worser with time.
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Nell Quick
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Posted - 2006.10.15 01:14:00 -
[458]
Shard the game.
Come on - surely it's time? I know we love the kudos that comes from having the largest number of concurrent users online of any MMOG, but seriously, you've got to balance the needs of the existing player base against the desire to see that number keep rising.
I've been an on-and-off player throughout my subscription time. I'm also a serial character deleter (not for nefarious purposes, I should stress, but just because the grass always seems greener somewhere else). So I've watched the game over the last couple of years, and much as I love it, and can't abide whiners, I can't honestly deny that it's creaking quite badly now.
I don't know whether the login queue I encountered tonight is a permanent thing, either - but either way, isn't it a symptom?
I know the game world needs a lot of players in it to make the economy work - but since the economy worked quite happily with around 15,000 people, and even fewer, isn't it fair to say that you could make two satisfactory clusters out of 30,000?
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Max Torps
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Posted - 2006.10.15 01:21:00 -
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Update to my previous post:
Renamed cache to cache1 and as a result reset the GUI. Result: Same CTD Found a forum post that mentioned port forwarding the following: 27900 tcp 27901 udp Did that with same result as previously, CTD as before although today it wasn't quite so bad. Maybe I need to check over a longer period of time for result accuracy, the CTD's still occurred but today it was down by 50% giving hope that at least some of it is user config settings. It has to be emphasised though that CTD still occurs though and on a clean system.
Recently 3 friends from the I.T. dept I work in joined the game, one has explicitly mentioned the CTD and rather than ask leading questions I'll wait for the other two to mention if they have any issues.
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Owi
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.10.15 08:16:00 -
[460]
Edited by: Owi on 15/10/2006 08:24:14
This lag and also the traffic control system is the dead for pvp or other events ! "Hi, dont shoot me, i wouldt been jumped allready its the traffic control that stops me !"
sometimes its ok, but never was that bad since last patch ! even if noone is in the system you gettin lag ! last night it was horrobile, first time i quited eve to play somethink different !
- Owi - the forum |
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DarkFollower
Amarr Phantom Squad iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.15 08:40:00 -
[461]
Now don't get me wrong I love eve , but at this current state is basicaly unplayeble , it's not just PvP , it's missions and all the rest , but the most hurting is The PVP part , It's silly that u are starting to lag in a 20vs20 fight , that's just plain crap , i don't even want to think about fleet fights , that's not sci-fi is fantasy Please try and fix it
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Rusty PwnStar
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.10.15 09:49:00 -
[462]
/signed.
I've played this game from early 2004, and as sad as it is to say, this is the worst server situation i've seen in that time.
Now i'm sure that CCP are trying to sort this out, but without any type of communication from them, it's hard to tell.
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Trell Asaker
Caldari Redemption EnterpriseS
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Posted - 2006.10.15 16:17:00 -
[463]
I have to sign this too. I'm laggin on markets, on gates and on NPC missions... annoying.
My honest opinion is that shrading will not be a solution. I just don't believe that it will work with EVE...
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Admiral Dianne
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Posted - 2006.10.15 18:47:00 -
[464]
I agree. Today, 10/15/06 I'm trying to move supplies between systems. Lagging at EVERY system and taking forever for commands to be carried out.
So here I am at the gate, fair game for any pirate of enemy corp. Waiting to jump for over 2 minutes.
The Game has been getting worse over the past couple of weeks.
Considering I have "almost" never had a problem with EVE (even when everyone else was having problems), I doubt it's my system.
Just to make sure, I fired up my Core 2 Duo, Gforce 7900 GTX, 2 meg ram, laptop, downloaded the client, set up EVE, and guess what???
SAME HORRIBLE LAG! CCP, DO SOMETHING!!
I set a long training skill and I'll be back in several days. If I don't find something else to play!
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Emma Royd
Path of Light
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Posted - 2006.10.15 19:38:00 -
[465]
Hey Ho :( Another night spoilt by lag, the odd thing is I'm in the Kor-Azor region, my wife with an identical machine and on the same network is in Domain and she's not suffering with it, go figure.
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Norateka
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Posted - 2006.10.15 21:18:00 -
[466]
I am very new to Eve, and I have to say I am already thinking of cancelling my account due to the lag. Today (oct 15) it's taking up to 2 or 3 minutes after every jump before my ship or commands respond. Trying to learn new skills takes a minute or two to update each time. Even the interface itself (opening market or fitting) takes a long time. Pretty disheartening to a new player trying to get into the game.
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Bruticus Prime
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Posted - 2006.10.15 21:29:00 -
[467]
The lag is horrible today. I was on last night (pst) with no problems, today I just tried to do a mission and good thing I have drones because I was never able to fire a shot. The lag is so long I'd get a msg the target was already dead by the time the server had registerd my kb input.
Trying to loot a can - opened the can, and have had time to boot up this 2nd pc, log into Eve forums and read thru and reply to thread - and I'm still waiting to see the contents of the can. Ooo got it.
Trying to move to a different can. Clicked on the approach button and pulled out the watch this time - 27 seconds before my ship responded to the command.
Please fix the lag, the game is unplayable in it's current state.
btw - definitely not my connection or I'd be having a slow response getting to the forums too.
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Tahmael Shaido
Minmatar Galactic Trade Federation
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Posted - 2006.10.15 21:56:00 -
[468]
I truly regret having to throw my name in the barrel here, but I am in the forums right now, and not the game, because it is virtually impossible to play. Long waits with traffic control keeping me prisoner in systems, minutes pass while waiting for a simple container to open. This is recent, started happening 4 to 6 weeks ago, and has gradually been getting worse. My configuration has not changed, except for patches, since March. My hardware is still the same, and no other software running while running EVE. This afternoon was the worst.
To CCP I say, we love this game! And most everyone I talk to about this problem is willing to give you a lot of leeway in terms of fixing it. Current play level is not really acceptable. I will continue to subscribe because I believe in you and I trust you to fix the problem. But actually playing it is rapidly becoming unendurable.
Now activate your armor, get in there and Tank that code!
--- After things go from bad to worse, the cycle will repeat itself. |
sky god
Amarr The Legion.
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Posted - 2006.10.15 22:16:00 -
[469]
I almost lost my noob Apoc trying to do a lvl 3 pirate invasion today. Couldn't get my LAR2 to work! Warped out just in time. Depressing. Protect me O Lord, my boat is so small and your sea is so wide. |
Heison
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Posted - 2006.10.16 07:55:00 -
[470]
I canÆt even mine in a system with 20 people without being disconnected. Pingplotter shows an average of 30% packet loss at Los Angeles and London routing stations, then 100% packet loss AFTER reaching EVE servers. So to clear it up once and for all, ITS NOT A CLIENT SIDE OR ISP PROBLEM. ITÆS A CCP PROBLEM.
There are blogs and articles that hail EVEÆs top of the line service as one of the reasons to play. But 16 pages of posts and not a single reply is pretty much an official way for CCP to tell their player base that they don't give a ****.
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Phyrexia Tarzig
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Posted - 2006.10.16 09:18:00 -
[471]
Edited by: Phyrexia Tarzig on 16/10/2006 09:18:51 I'm currently floating around in d/c limbo-space because I can't stay connected long enough to dock. Good opportunity to do Energy Management V, I suppose.
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War Machine
Murini Ice Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 12:01:00 -
[472]
Edited by: War Machine on 16/10/2006 12:01:34 I sign this thread also.
I gave up trying to play last night (Sunday). I thought it may of been just because the system was busy but it looks to be far more widespread than that.
Regards
Unhappy Subscriber
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Scythman
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Posted - 2006.10.16 18:34:00 -
[473]
The is Stupid why should we pay for a game that is so screwed up in so many ways it just ruins the whole experience. it takes me on average 20 mins to look in my hangers and i only have 300 items or so in there, i have to reload it again and again before it opens i no longer play on the weekends at all because it is more like a turn based game than a realtime one. someone should set up a website and tell the game playing public that eve is not the smooth multiplayer game that ccp want us all to believe. its a game that is grinding to a halt with every day. Stand up for your rights even cancel your accounts as a form of protest, you can still train while it is canceled we have to do somthing to force ccp to pull there finger out and sort out a once (2 patches ago) amazing and wonderfull game. I know its not my fault, im on over 10 meg broadband and live within 100 miles of the servers. and its crap. |
General Paul
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Posted - 2006.10.16 18:47:00 -
[474]
Love the game to bits and all.. but every time I go to Jita It takes bout 10 minutes to get in or out.. And damn its funny when my shield booster locks either on or off... As a long time Aramachi resident I can safely say the lag isnt getting worse though.. its always been like that.. and the proximity to Motsu (and saila) might be aiding the lag a little Empire space needs removing.. and replacing by a 0.0.. this would save systems like Jita getting lagged with thousands of noobs like myself...
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Atma Darkwolf
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.16 19:18:00 -
[475]
same, but not in the named systems. I have expeienced the lag in Jel, Dodixie, pator, Alakgur, but strangly, not rens.
The problem MUST be addressed... as it is now you propaly have 10k petitions for ship replacements(because the problem we all face is the same, drones ignoring commands, ships scrambling you but beign unlockable because the error says they are 200-300km away, moduals not activating, and armor disintegrating as a result, etc.)
Please fix the probles. I am saddedned because I have been a pretty regular customer for teh better part of 3 years, and I am seriousy considering NOT paying the next time payment is due.
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Max Torps
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Posted - 2006.10.16 20:04:00 -
[476]
Originally by: Max Torps Update to my previous post: Renamed cache to cache1 and as a result reset the GUI. Result: Same CTD Found a forum post that mentioned port forwarding the following: 27900 tcp 27901 udp Did that with same result as previously, CTD as before although today it wasn't quite so bad. Maybe I need to check over a longer period of time for result accuracy, the CTD's still occurred but today it was down by 50% giving hope that at least some of it is user config settings. It has to be emphasised though that CTD still occurs though and on a clean system.
Recently 3 friends from the I.T. dept I work in joined the game, one has explicitly mentioned the CTD and rather than ask leading questions I'll wait for the other two to mention if they have any issues.
Update to update.
All 3 report the same problems with variations on timing of the problem but all say they can sometimes play fine for an hour or even several, then get an inexplicable flurry of disconnects every 5 minutes to an hour or in one case 5 minutes, log in, disconnect repeatedly and then just plain gave up trying.
4 different systems. 2 Intel based, 2 AMD based and the common factor is EVE.
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Leviathan'nl
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:15:00 -
[477]
My post will prolly matter nothing. But its worse enough that I takes 5 mins to strip a bs from its modules. Or 2min before you actually get 1 gun equipped with ammo or reloaded. with 12 people in local .
Then theres the annoying bugs that the screen suddenly starts shifting out of control wich happened to me today for the first time, (only during warp tho) or when you've undocked half an hour ago and you want to dock since theres a hostile fleet on the prowl and it says I'm still being squeezed out.. please wait 30 seconds.. yeah as if. These cases make me want to fly a battleship as little as possible.. things like that means a quick death for any battleship. Fast ships and you atleast have a chance, if the warp order goes trough quickly enough..
I still want to give my thanx to CCP when I started playing the game was great.. and another big whooping thanx, now I'm just saying WTF to my pc screen the entire day. I'm sure your working on it aswell as your working on the massive lag petitions being filed.. News and updates are always welcome. These patches and upgrades are feeling like a downgrade more problems come with every new patch day.
and now for some sarcasm with love and kisses from leviathan. Can we please downgrade eve to a playable point xD? (For the record, that doesn't mean give us kali)
Regards - Levi
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Caremen
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Posted - 2006.10.16 23:00:00 -
[478]
I have had bad lag for a while, and still endured. I actually thought it was my computer that had a problem. However, my 4 friends stopped playing due to this lag, they didnt quit, just went back to "that" game again... at least, you dont lag there. I havent been there, but as each day goes by, with the same laggy situation i wonder if im playing the right game.
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Sombike
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Posted - 2006.10.16 23:03:00 -
[479]
PLEASE fix the frozing Screen issue
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Phoenixhawk
Caldari Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.10.17 02:36:00 -
[480]
/signed again
I see after over sixteen pages in this thread, not one reply from CCP. I moved to a system with an avg of 10 players in local, the surrounding systems avg between 2 and 6 players in local, 30 second between mods being click and doing anything, Que's to log-in, and in general all of the same crap I had to deal with 200 people in hageken, 120+ in Kaunokka, 400+ in Jita (ok jita was a bit worse than the first two, but you get the idea) so its not just the system i'm in, i'm now getting CTD's after the patch that did somewhat increase performace for a day or two, ISP traces back to CCP (game server not the web server) A-OK, Sent in 35 Logs each with 10 or more crashes, on 3 diffrent Computers running Windows Vista/XP Pro SP2/Win 2000 One single reply or thankyou or we will look into it notta, even with all the woes of eve, we understand their pushing the limit, we understand alot of the problems, but the one simple easy thing that would make it bareable, they dont do. and that is comunicate with us, keep us in the loop and let us know whats going on. acknowlage us when we say there is a problem, at that they are at least looking into it. I mean it would make a huge diffrence if CCP said, "Due to the major increase of the player base our hardware can not support the shear numbers of player without new or faster hardware added, which is on order and we are mearly waiting for them to arrive"
Would any of us, Been in here? Probly not, well except for those people that are never ever happy, but you get the idea. Instead we get CCP posts about some CCG game that almost nobody is wasting money on, E-ON Mag, which may be neat, but who cares if you cant play the game that the mag is about?!?, and RECORD NUMBERS that the hardware and code cant handle, nor the (OMGWTFBBQ!!11!oneoneone) Patch thats coming out on the 23rd diffrent release date. The Massive Problems Started with coldwar for those that have been around since Castor. and slowly slipped downhill from there, instead of fixes we get promises of that uber patch with the newest and badest and most costly ship that we can build and loose due to unplayablity, and if your PVP'er then you already Loseing a ship in PVP due a EVE Problems is 100% no chance of re-imbursement. even with screenshots/eve log/and 30k plus people screeming THE SERVER CRASHED, you will get a reply, our records show there were no problems that day! (I've seen it multiple times)
/end rant Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six!
Space Vampire |
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.17 04:40:00 -
[481]
Edited by: Blank Protection on 17/10/2006 04:44:57 Edited by: Blank Protection on 17/10/2006 04:43:53 I must say it was possible yesterday for me to run some missions and it were difficult ones. I even hit the jackpot a view times and i earned at least 72 milion ISK for running only two LVL 3 missions. But it amost cost my raven. I never had to go back to station so much times because of the lag. Game was freezing all the time, really absurd. My periode of playing stops at 2 november and i have cancelled my subscreption now for sure. Going to set "Tactical shield manipulation lvl 5" skill a view days before an jump out off the game for a coupple of months. It will take more than a month to train that skill so than it will be already half december. Im sure its not getting better before the end of the year so i`m picking up playing at least after the winter.
Today game play realy s u c k s. No, absolutly no fun at all, one big frustration.
Maybe i will back in july, time for some BF 2 now. No lag and now loose of money and stuff and lots and lots of fun and laughting.
Cya ppl have fun and watch out for the " LAG".
--EA its all in the game,CCP its all lagging the game--
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sukurnanghaa
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Posted - 2006.10.17 08:08:00 -
[482]
ok, now, after all this pages of unhappy customers, we know that they really don't care about people... if someone can provide a website, we can do a real petition, and send it to them, as they really don't care to respond; it's time to do something... you can post al the pages you want, you'll not have responses, cause they think that we are stupids, and deserve no explanations.. and look at the title of the eve magazine they forgot some letters, you must read "BIGGEST SERVER ISSUES" :p "As we pay for this game, we make it live.... dont forget it CCP" http://www.eve-online.com/eon/
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Enkilil
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:32:00 -
[483]
Originally by: sukurnanghaa ok, now, after all this pages of unhappy customers, we know that they really don't care about people... if someone can provide a website, we can do a real petition, and send it to them, as they really don't care to respond; it's time to do something...
Sukurnanghaa, as thoughtful and insightful as that idea is, it's not going to do any good. You'll come out of the situation feeling angry and hurt because all the hard work involved will go unnoticed.
Yes, boys and girls, Enki's back.... after what's it been now a MONTH of refusing to read this post? Hi Sylthi, glad to see you're still in anger management, and Hellos to you Grez; sad to see the optimism still hasn't done anything for your receding hairline.
I think one of the really stabbing points of this whole ordeal, and a few people have touched on it, is: our characters are taking the real brunt of the situation. The economy of Eve is really in the toilet right now, and I don't think I'm out of line by saying that the long stretch of bad playability is the cause of it.
I'd like to offer this as an example, if I may: I'm a ship retailer, builder, etc. I also have a small delivery / security transport service for running valuable smaller cargo. I'm not going to complain about how many ships I've lost due to dropped connections, how many lost due to lag... although retail is pretty paper thin right now, losing a 165 mil faction cruiser right after picking it up isn't exactly all that happy of an occasion, I can assure you. But, that's already been covered.
Within the last month and a half, I've seen a booming ship retail business retard to less than 1/3 the income potential it once was. The people I commonly deal with have really started pinching pennies when it comes to frivilous expenditure (kind of a ****er, since I deal in mostly faction rarities). Unless you're dealing in battleships exclusively, it's almost not worth the effort anymore, as ships, modules, etc, will sit on escrow for weeks, at reasonable prices, unbought. A lot of people have been unable to run missions, unable to conduct business as usual because of an unacceptable ammount of playability issues, and since it all rolls downhill, the economy suffers from that exclusively.
It's taking the RPG out of MMORPG. When you take away the beauty of this game, take away the awards for best pvp, and the ideology of it, you're left with one conclusion:
We are at the point where Eve has become an expensive chatroom with some really nice scenery.
Still hanging in there, still trying to be optimistic, but wow.... well over a month and still no impovement.... If CCP was like any other company, a lot of people would be standing in the unemployment line right now.
Good luck everyone. I'll p0ke my bunny ears in here again in a month or so and we'll all reminisce about 'hey remember how good we had it a month ago, when we only had 30 seconds of lag to warp out? lol'.
Peace.
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Scall McLean
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:55:00 -
[484]
I really don't see what you people are complaining about.
I'm Australian on a crummy ADSL line and with the exception of Jita, I have never had any of the issues people are describing. I don't get module lag, I don't lag out in Complexes or Missions, my ship loss petitions always get answered and I have gotten every single one of my ships back.
I've only ever had 3 CTD's and one of them was from WMP having a hissy fit, which minimized EVE which then didn't want to full-screen again.
I even play 2 accounts on the 1 machine for a few hours at a time and the worst I get is Graphical glitches from my Graphics Card overheating... And for anyone that is wondering, my computer is 3 years old.
Intel PIV 2.6Ghz 1Gig RAM (Generic) 256MB Radeon 9600 Random Gigabyte MoBo that was good at the time. Realtek AC'97 Onboard SoundCard
So really, I'm playing on a Sub-Par Net Conn with a computer in dire need of an upgrade with no module activation lag, no system lag, Ultra-Rare CTD's, Playable NPC missions, Playable Complexes, etc.
The only thing my Computer can't handle is Gate Camps with 30+ ships & Bubbles, plus it also has a small hissy-fit when exiting warp (Which I'm told is normal for most people)
Are you sure that you OMGWTFBBQers with your uber-l337 Firewalls of DOOM!, Routers of Mass Destruction and Americain ISP Filtration Services aren't just making the game suck for you and causing errors to CTD!?!?
Also remember, not even 480 people have complained about the "Issues" you are talking about... That's not even 2% of the EVE Community, this thread is still in it's 'Minority' form, so how do we know that you people aren't just those freak statistical annomilies that come from corrupted DLs, etc, etc?
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sukurnanghaa
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Posted - 2006.10.17 15:37:00 -
[485]
Edited by: sukurnanghaa on 17/10/2006 15:40:33 Edited by: sukurnanghaa on 17/10/2006 15:38:30 Edited by: sukurnanghaa on 17/10/2006 15:37:53 first, we don't speak about computer problem, about server crashes, lag, and issues... not of overheating computer, that's your problem... The server issues are known since a time allready, thx for the different guys tryin to remind them, but, there's so much of it that will take too much time.. i think that just say, like our mate upon, "that don't work, that become awfull, bla bla bla" is purely useless. we point to server issues, like when you warp in a mission, and the lag stuck you, and you die, or the rats warp with you, continuing of shooting you... this is some server issues.. please, stop sayin useless things like, my computer, your computer, and other things like that, don't investigate anymore on your poor computer, let him alone... the issues are on the server side... on this morning... two server crashes... lag of 6 seconds/ (stop thinkin in australia, at my home, on the moon, i have no lag... you are not on a peek of connection, try another time, and see). after these few explanation, let's see the reel problem, YEAH THERE'S A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN SERVER ISSUES... the lack of any responses of CCP... some people will answer, they haven't the time to... we love CCP... bla bla bla.... stop it, go loose your time on another topic.. it's just irrespectuous to not throw a word, to inform the players about what they are doin, or not.. that don't take hours to, and that will have surely a positive effect on the unhappy people, cause everyone like eve here, and everyone want to know that the game will go better in a few... A lot of people feel that silence like an offense and irrespect.. if these issues continue 6 months more, will you not say, "he was right", if that happend, don't talk to me.... and why open a topic about server issues if it isn't to talk about.. i don't wait any response, i just ay what i think, in the case you haven't allready understand and my other posts. and keep in mind the community opinion, and ideas, "multiply lvl 4 agents, move some...", lot of people have good ideas, just hear them, simply...
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Wally Baba
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Posted - 2006.10.17 16:45:00 -
[486]
Getting kicked to desktop about every 3-4 gate jumps while traveling. Happens when jumping, not an ISP prob.
Then you log back on, get warped right back to the gate with no cloak time to set the next destination. Bad deal.
Also, for the first time since starting in 2004, I was waiting at a gate as number 5 in the cue!
Good thing I wasn't at war and trying to run!
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Aceonfire's Prostitute
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:32:00 -
[487]
Originally by: Phoenixhawk /signed again
I see after over sixteen pages in this thread, not one reply from CCP.
/end rant
CCP will not respond, simply because they have no answer to it. They have 2 options. To spend money on improving the content of the game, or spend money on improving the quality of the gameplay.
I would imagine CCP brings in around 400k a month, just in players...and that is a complete guess. I for one don't understand how a company is making that much money and having so many problems paying for the bandwidth and computer power for 30,000 people.
It is just a business decision for them Im sure. If they keep adding patches/expansion, people will remain interested. If they don't they will lose business.
The same goes for the lag problems.
They made up their minds that they would lose "less" people if they added content, rather than fix bugs.
It is a halfass way to approach a business. My father said if you can't do something right, don't do it at all.
It would be like building a car that only starts half the time you try, but instead of fixing that problem, you decide to change the paint, and put some 24" spinners on it...lol
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spoon2
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:34:00 -
[488]
Edited by: spoon2 on 17/10/2006 18:34:04 Signed the game is in the worst state ive seen it in in 3 years. It lags whereever you go.
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Elendar
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:39:00 -
[489]
/signed
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib
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R2 D3
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:39:00 -
[490]
signed
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Wladomir Jed
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:40:00 -
[491]
/signed
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:41:00 -
[492]
/Signed not even mining is possible in the state Eve is in don't wanna lose me hulk
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operated
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:42:00 -
[493]
signed ,
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Loomina
Gallente Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:44:00 -
[494]
Signed !!
Loomina *_*
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Dao 2
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:44:00 -
[495]
signed ;p
but for all the ppl saying they dont care about us they do ;p but what can they do really? ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Skybar
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:46:00 -
[496]
Originally by: Aceonfire's Prostitute
Originally by: Phoenixhawk /signed again
I see after over sixteen pages in this thread, not one reply from CCP.
/end rant
CCP will not respond, simply because they have no answer to it. They have 2 options. To spend money on improving the content of the game, or spend money on improving the quality of the gameplay.
I would imagine CCP brings in around 400k a month, just in players...and that is a complete guess. I for one don't understand how a company is making that much money and having so many problems paying for the bandwidth and computer power for 30,000 people.
It is just a business decision for them Im sure. If they keep adding patches/expansion, people will remain interested. If they don't they will lose business.
The same goes for the lag problems.
While I do am on the same line that the game is lagging way too much at the moment to be playable in a joyfull way, I must also add to the expenses listed above. You probably have some Tax on it, salarys, rent of office space, coffee machines (;)), advertising.
But as pretty much all companies out there, they do it for the money, but my faith in CCP is that they do care for us players alot more than other game developers out there.
As for the lag issues, I'm quite sure it would be less lag if the world would be split into two as in other games, say wow. But having all these people on same server is something that's pretty unique to Eve and I'm guessing they need to make the path for it to work themselves, and not able to look at competitors.
One can just hope that this will be sorted anytime soon with yet another hardware upgrade.
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JukiMax
Caldari Interstellar Galactic Exploration
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:51:00 -
[497]
Signed ------------ "Win or lose, we'll go down fighting. Pour it on, Mr. Lennier. Take us into the fire." -- Sheridan in Babylon 5:"Into the Fire"
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Tjakka
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:51:00 -
[498]
signed!!
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Tjakka
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:51:00 -
[499]
signed!!
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Stooboy
Halfwits Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:51:00 -
[500]
Im reading this thread because, guess what i cant log in, yesterday i had to wait to log into the system my character was in. Today i log in, i have no chat windows, corp/alliance/local. I cant access my hangers, i do the usual and relog, but alas i cant get BACK in.
I think the servers are in a real state, ive been looking forward to getting on after work tonite, but i feel that over the last few weeks, i cba.
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Undia alNudius
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:51:00 -
[501]
/signed
LOOK ANYWHERE to see the many, MANY problems this hopelessly fracturing game is having. After over 18 month's of playing I've experienced them all. And this last month since the "dragon" patch... heh, shoulda called it the "dragon" curse....for all the disconnects and lag it's brought me
REALLY starting to reconsider my subscription.
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:52:00 -
[502]
As much as I hate to say it...
signed.
The Dark Lord consults the Force under his tinfoil helm.. |
Eeoui
Minmatar KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:53:00 -
[503]
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Keeperi
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:54:00 -
[504]
Signed!!
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Leviathan'nl
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:57:00 -
[505]
Tho I already made a post yesterday, I'm just gonna go ahead and spam 1 more signed. Lets lag the forums out so ccp aknowledges it \o/. You know what would rock my socks.. to see a dev sign it cheers again for a laggy evening of eve.
/signed levi
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Prankster
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:58:00 -
[506]
/signed
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Centurin
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.17 19:03:00 -
[507]
I'm going to add a few thoughts.
Yes, CCP cares. Thats why they are installing new servers and such. I'm sure they are quite aware that EVE cannot handle the player base it now has. The economy can't either, but that's another story.
As far as people leaving, honestly that's exactly what EVE needs. Less people. Alliance wars are a joke. Nothing but lag fests. If half of EVE left, I'd be a happy man. It's harsh, but the truth. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime |
Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.17 19:13:00 -
[508]
Originally by: Enkilil Yes, boys and girls, Enki's back.... after what's it been now a MONTH of refusing to read this post? Hi Sylthi, glad to see you're still in anger management, and Hellos to you Grez; sad to see the optimism still hasn't done anything for your receding hairline.
I have no idea what you're talking about. My posts are filled with nothing but the utmost faith and respect to all things CCP. CRAP! Can't even type it with a straight face!!
Actually, you know what CCP REALLY needs? Seriously. You know what they need? Competition. Pure and simple. If there was another sci-fi based ship combat game out there, that was even partially as good, we wouldn't have a good portion of these problems. We've got nowhere else to take our MMO starship combat needs, and CCP knows it. What they need is a good HARD kick in their complacency. Just my two cents, and my latest input into my anger management.
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Dri Kulsane
Amarr Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.17 19:15:00 -
[509]
Originally by: Centurin I'm going to add a few thoughts.
Yes, CCP cares. Thats why they are installing new servers and such. I'm sure they are quite aware that EVE cannot handle the player base it now has. The economy can't either, but that's another story.
As far as people leaving, honestly that's exactly what EVE needs. Less people. Alliance wars are a joke. Nothing but lag fests. If half of EVE left, I'd be a happy man. It's harsh, but the truth.
I have always said I'm in this game for the long haul, so I see where you are coming from and you do make some sense.
But, I'm signing this in the hope that we NEVER come to this ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Xcutor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.17 19:55:00 -
[510]
Signed
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Olaf Goloth
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Posted - 2006.10.17 20:04:00 -
[511]
signed
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Willawaw
Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.17 20:06:00 -
[512]
/signed
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Dehok
Implant Liberation Front
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Posted - 2006.10.17 20:09:00 -
[513]
P**S Poor Service,
Signed. |
Valasaria
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Posted - 2006.10.17 21:34:00 -
[514]
/signed
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birty
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:15:00 -
[515]
/signed
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2006.10.18 00:49:00 -
[516]
I'm gonna update my original post:
Well, I have noticed some improvements in lag. Sure, it's still noticeable here at home, Motsu, but thats understandable as its a busy system right in the heart of agent mission runner territory. The missions have been playable though and I've managed to reach 600k lp. So the server has been acting better. No navy raven yet though. *sigh*
Market and Mission Escrow is still too laggy, but I have a feeling that is due to whatever databaseing software is being used and not just current server issues. Eve requires a very professional database solution, more along the lines of Banking software than along the lines of Microsoft Access ;/
Eve client has a wierd crash bug. Happens when I dock and undock from a busy station and manifests itself with a hard reset of my computer. Dosen't seem to be a common bug but I've had it a lot and have talked to one person who has had it to. For a game to reboot windows xp means there is something very wrong in the client code imo. I've had this 4 times a day on one occasion, but as mysteriously as it appears it dissapears for a while and is too random for me to pinpoint exact causes.
CCP need to rethink the allocation of resources and even the whole setup of the game. Eve needs central systems like Jita and Oursalert and Rens. There needs to be trade hubs like this as the economy grows and as traders become more commonplace. You can't expect players to pop out in a frigate and travel through many regions to finally find what they are looking for at a good price, no, the players will go to systems they know are central and busy. The same thing with agents. If one is of a higher quality than another of course that system will become a mission runner and ultimately a trade hub. The server has to accomodate this better. I have seen over 1000 people in Jita at one time. Of course mission escrow has a lot to do with this, but unless ccp comes up with some sort of npc delivery system people will flock together. So I suggest ccp thinks about this, as I believe there will allways be busy systems, and there has to be. After a while people simply dont want to waste all their time in transit.
And a pet peev of mine: Please clear up undocking algorithms. It totally breaks suspension of disbelief to undock from a station and find 50 ships stacked up like it is some sort of stellar graveyard. A simple stacked holding pattern would work. Maybe more undocking gates? And it would save us from noticing just how crap collision detection in eve is...
There is a lot of work to be done in eve, but overall its a great game, and probably no other game comes close to what ccp has achieved in this online microcosm. So I am staying a few months in the hope that things clear up and the game evolves to accomodate its player base in a satisfactory manner. I'll leave with one request though:
Revise the skill training durations and multipliers. Either that or allow training for 2 characters per account simultaneously (that way I could be a pirate carrier pilot hehe). Now that more and more content is added it would be nice if players did not have to train for years to be able to access a small portion of it. If you make the experience richer for the 6 month old players in eve I am sure down the line you will have a greater number of 2 year olds ;)
Eve is not unplayable, just in some respects flawed. I guess that's progress though.
Bye.
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Aliza
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Posted - 2006.10.18 07:03:00 -
[517]
/signed
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masie may
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Posted - 2006.10.18 11:39:00 -
[518]
/signed
The lag is slowly getting worse and worse. Both in busy systems and out in 0.0
Last night the lag was so bad we killed a ship numerous times, along with the pod.. same ship! and then we had pods cluttering overview for the rest of the night.
Lag is making this game not so much fun anymore and I am looking at other things to pass the time, it may come to the final option, liquidate all assets, and sell the character. Forget Eve completely and play some ordinary games. Time to complete HL2 perhaps, or rebuild that linux pvr I have laying about.
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Cassius Wagabond
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:37:00 -
[519]
/signed
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Sombike
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:07:00 -
[520]
As for this moment, i canceled my subscription for the comming month. So lets see what the Distant future brings to Eve Online!!!
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Karnovsky
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Posted - 2006.10.18 16:09:00 -
[521]
signed |
ChronoSphere
Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.18 18:27:00 -
[522]
CCP - Fix the servers, or stop allowing new subscribers until you do. You're going to lose your existing playerbase at this rate.
/sign
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Shelby Cobra
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Posted - 2006.10.18 20:31:00 -
[523]
/signed
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.10.19 12:21:00 -
[524]
A couple of points I'd like to make:
- If the problem is upsetting Windoze then it's not Eve's fault. I'd start looking at hardware stability or quality of drivers.
- Servers are not that often causing problems, most problems are from client stutter or real internet outages. The international links sometimes vanish or just a more localised outage. You can see when the servers have had node drops by the dips in user numbers on the server status graph.
This is not at all a defense of CCP's methods, I personally think their code base is crap, just that some of the complaints are not caused by the servers and therefore won't be improved when the extra nodes are added.
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Nell Quick
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Posted - 2006.10.20 00:25:00 -
[525]
Edited by: Nell Quick on 20/10/2006 00:26:37 Just thought I'd throw in another post, mainly to keep this thread up the top there...
I can't say lag's more than an annoyance to me. I don't do PVP - I just fight little rats, and I don't have an expensive ship. But an annoyance it is, still.
What's really hacking me off right now is traffic control. That's system control and login control. Login control's particularly annoying because it usually doesn't actually mean anything except that I've got to shut down the client and log in over again, because for some reason it always seem to forget the massive queue the second time I try. I'll grant you, it's not that it takes an hour to load the client, or anything, but if there's no queue, why tell me there's a queue?
And then there's in-system traffic advisories. I mean what the blazes are they supposed to be for? I ferried some stuff from Ashab to Renyn earlier and had a traffic advisory on every damned system. A couple of them, admittedly, were lagged all to hell. Most had a couple of dozen ships in them. So what's going on, exactly? Why are we having traffic advisories for systems with no traffic in them? If we're going to have this mechanism, surely it should actually advise us?
Sorry to labour this point, I know I've said it already in this very thread and that no-one agrees with me, but I'm dull and it's a bee in my bonnet: if there're too many people in the cluster, and clearly there are, for pity's sake add another cluster. I don't CARE about the bloody PCU figure. I care about having a game that isn't straining at the seams. EVE doesn't HAVE to be a single server. Really, it doesn't.
Okay, flame away. For what it's worth, I love EVE, and I've been playing it for over two years. I don't want to quit. But that doesn't mean it can't annoy me. |
Phoenix Kellhound
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Posted - 2006.10.20 02:49:00 -
[526]
/Signed
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Shok'TaH
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Posted - 2006.10.20 11:37:00 -
[527]
Signed.
Can CCP Deliver?
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Judge VII
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Posted - 2006.10.20 14:23:00 -
[528]
my vote...lag sucks
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wertgqwergqerg
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Posted - 2006.10.20 17:18:00 -
[529]
Khanid Kingdom. We're amazed to see 10 people in Vezila, and the surrounding areas are an absolute zero. We have horrendous lag.
/signed
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DHorner
Caldari Scout And Mining inc
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Posted - 2006.10.20 17:27:00 -
[530]
Lost two Ravens doing Lvl 4's the last few days due to lag I suppose. Warped out just before damage was into armor but continued to take damage the entire time I am warping and end up in my POD at the gate I was warping to. I would love to have weapons with that kind of range, LOL. I don't even bother petitioning for reimbursement because it just adds to the immense frustration. My only recourse has been to remove all T2 fittings and do a cheap fit to cut my loses.
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DaneelROlivaw
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Posted - 2006.10.21 02:02:00 -
[531]
signed
im still waiting for that message : we found the problem. one of our directors made a deal with WOW about selling server capacity...
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Aceformat
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.10.21 03:42:00 -
[532]
Gotta say I'm amazed by the fact this is 18 pages and no "Official responce". I dare not undock these days and staring at my ... while fairly nice looking ... ship it's getting boring.
/signed
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Haul'in Stuff
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Posted - 2006.10.21 04:51:00 -
[533]
i do hope their ramsens go bang i really do.it will show those Stupid SoB's how Wrong they are about not listening to the playerbase.all they do is tell the rest of the world how good eve is and how fun it is to play.well sorry Mr.CCP ceo ..it aint fun anymore its a long boring lag trap with exploits and when you complain about them you get ignored...so CCP go find some Volcano on that island you live on and go for a swim please.
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Chiron Typhon
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.21 10:44:00 -
[534]
Yay, just lost my Rook full of T2 & faction gear to massive sudden lag.
What really annoys me is that after they added the extra servers and the Ramsan everything seemed to be looking up. My lag dropped immensely, never had a problem. Then they added the Dragon code and everything has been in the sewer since then. I'm not a IT guy but whatever was added in that code was poison and I don't care what CCP say about it fixing "other" issues. Bottom line, Dragon came and the game has had a heart attack.
I really don't want to risk expensive ships like tonight when everything seemed fine then the lag just hammered down. If I had some warning of slowing modules I'd log off for the night. I also don't really feel like going back to doing L2 missions in a T1 cruiser armed with Heavy Missile Launcher 1's because I'm too worried about losing T2's and BS's.
New and smaller by request =p "Draw them in by the prospect of gain, take them by confusion" -Sun Tzu |
Sir PatrickMoore
Caldari Dawn of War
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Posted - 2006.10.21 14:05:00 -
[535]
/signed sh*ziz |
Ishtar1
the Organ Grinder and Company Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.21 22:12:00 -
[536]
just to add my own views in the last few weeks the lag has been ever increasing getting worse and worse getting the "lost connection" pop-up every now and again.
BUT these last two days i have been in Essence region and MY GOD! i can not log in and do anything, even opening the market and i get kicked. As someone posted before me i thought it was a solo thing an ISP related problom but it has came to my attension that it is all over the place. PLZ for the love of god get this fixed this is game BREAKING.
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Borrus
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Posted - 2006.10.21 22:52:00 -
[537]
/signed ... just had another node crash :-/
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Haul'in Stuff
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Posted - 2006.10.22 02:28:00 -
[538]
/signed 22-10-06 (lets get this to 2000 posts folks )
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Tortellina
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Posted - 2006.10.22 16:38:00 -
[539]
agreed. please fix the lag.
PS. to all the people who are leaving the game, before you quit, please search for my name, right click on it, select the give money and type in all of your ISK amount. thank you :) |
Rooker
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Posted - 2006.10.22 22:48:00 -
[540]
/signed /signed and /signed for me and both alts.
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airdefense
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Posted - 2006.10.22 23:19:00 -
[541]
We all know there are bad lag issues. I just wish CCP would stop blaming our connections and computers on their shortcomings. JUST FIX THE DAMN THING.
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Valerek
Gallente PhoenixCorp
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Posted - 2006.10.22 23:23:00 -
[542]
/signed...
And after today's server reboot, one has to wonder WTF is really going on. I really enjoy Eve, but its unbearable and dangerous sometimes...getting into a fight with NPC rats and not being able to warp out. Come on...that should never happen.
Anyways...let's hope for better days. ------------------------- Who? Me? |
Pymet Lir
Gallente The Flaming Sideburn's
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Posted - 2006.10.22 23:36:00 -
[543]
Yes there where serious issues in the curse region for about 2-3 hours before the server was shutdown and for a good 2 hours before that there where jump queues of 2-3 minuets between systems that where completely empty or had 2-3 people in them. On the other hand it made gatecamping much easier as people instaed to the gate and then had to wait for 2-3 mins!
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Drogo Dris
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Posted - 2006.10.22 23:38:00 -
[544]
Ditto.....
This is getting very tiresome and very predictable.
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Khanidian Disciple
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Posted - 2006.10.23 00:24:00 -
[545]
What are you talking about? the game is great!
I LOVE the choppy gameplay (ie. take 30sec to move an item from cargo to hanger), "take 5 minutes to load the game," "disconnect every 10minutes," a skill window that doesn't respond and says "completion immenent" for the last hour or two, modules that won't go offline, chat windows that pause for a 2min then explode with a conversation that was missed, 'show info windows' that open but don't show any info, and let's not forget the wonderful in-game browser that only works on pages written for it. etc.
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Khanidian Disciple
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Posted - 2006.10.23 00:39:00 -
[546]
My fellow disatisfied pilots, let us spread this topic to all in the Eve universe so that they too can have their pains recognized. This forum, nay, this protest against such an injustice must be heard! We shall unite from each corner of the galaxy with one voice. Like a gathering storm, our strength will multiply and soon every pilot in existance shall shout!
To CCP: Our cries will not be ignored...
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Bulldog Menace
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Posted - 2006.10.23 00:50:00 -
[547]
This game needs harsh fixing I'm with you, Khanidian! VIVA REVOLUTION!!!!!!
LETS SEE HOW FAR WE CAN PUSH THIS!
"I am the Bulldog Menace"
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Maclone
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Posted - 2006.10.23 03:44:00 -
[548]
/signed
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BekStorm
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Posted - 2006.10.23 03:47:00 -
[549]
Tell TomB to get out the nerfbat and aim towards this lag issue.
i Lose ships all the time and it interferes with my ISK making as i have to wait to get it back up to two weeks... how am i gonna make iskies?
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Kitara Majere
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Posted - 2006.10.23 03:48:00 -
[550]
/signed/ CCP Read this whole tread, and respond!!! You Owe us that much at least, since your damn sure not giving us the product we are paying for anymore. We dont pay to train skills for ships we cant afford to loose to Programing / Server issues, we dont pay to stare at the walls of the stations because we cant fit or undock, untill 30mins AFTER the button has been (pushed/dragged/whatever)
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Kitara Majere
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Posted - 2006.10.23 03:52:00 -
[551]
Anyone else notice this is the Most replyed to thread, and the 3rd most read thread in here??? (the 2 most read have stickeys and the Boost your FPS has been here forever)
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Shala Angelina
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Posted - 2006.10.23 09:58:00 -
[552]
/signed
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HEBDA
Caldari Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:19:00 -
[553]
Last night, five min. before SD i lost a ship against NPC. why they work and my ship didn't??? No chances at all No warp, no missiles, no guns.......
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:42:00 -
[554]
Ok its all very clear people, the game has some serious lag issues and is almost unplayable. But be a little reasonable now. 19 Pages of non-stop complaining about the gameplay is absurd. Just take it for now or just cancel your subscrition and take a brake for a while. Nobody is forcing ppl to play and pay for the game its all of your own free will. So don`t like it at the moment, just leave.
Lets give CCP a break now and wait till 1 or 2 november when the hardware upgrade comes. Than see after that how the game play will be.
Btw** All the complainers here on the forum actually don`t have the balls to quit. Your just to addicted to the game.
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Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari Rosa Alba
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Posted - 2006.10.23 13:40:00 -
[555]
Sorry bud, but some people pay for the game in larger than 1 month increments. I payed for 6 months right before Dragon patch... Bad timing? You betcha. Can't stop paying? I already did, but it doesn't mean CCP doesn't need to fix their game just because they got their money beforehand.
Now, if they actually fix the code I'm sure I'd be happy to pay and play some more.
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Goddance
Wyrakami Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:51:00 -
[556]
/signed again
Getting really bad. How do you survive waiting for a gate in low sec? I waited 5 minutes for a gate in high sec and thought I'd lose my mind. And that was from an empty system to another empty system.
Guess low sec is out of the question now. Besides, a fleet battle or gate camp for me would be a flash and "...so you have died..." due to the lag. How do you survive out there? I mean i wouldn't be able to even sit at a gate. If I did I just lag out the minute someone warped in.
This morning, I just can't believe the lag. What ever happened last night to the server has done some serious damage imo
Really just disappointed in the game. It takes me so long to learn a game, that I'd hate to have to find another one and start all over.
GOD HATES CLOGS
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.23 16:13:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Alhambra Rainwalker Sorry bud, but some people pay for the game in larger than 1 month increments. I payed for 6 months right before Dragon patch...
Don`t you have insurance??
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Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari Rosa Alba
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Posted - 2006.10.23 16:25:00 -
[558]
Unfortunately there isn't RL currency insurance in EVE in case of customer dissatisfaction.
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Patrick MacNaughton
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Posted - 2006.10.23 17:50:00 -
[559]
/signed
- it tooks ages to get modules working - npc aren't at distance and position as the client shows so drones and turrets dont work properly
@ Blank Protection:
since I start playing EVE CCP did
- restrict drone usage to 5 drones (under normal circumsances) - bought new hardware - restrict copying bookmarks
to fight the lag but it didn't change anything. After each step it's getting more and more worse instead that one of things above make the game more playable. On the other hand, a lot more players are online as a few month ago so the effect of improvement maybe gets lost. Anyway... now CCP is buying new hardware again and all should be better now? I can't imagine that (but i hope ). So I absolutly agree the other people who say: I dont need new features, I need the game more playable. And tbh I can't understand your point of view. Replying this post shows that it's not a problem of the players computer or the "slow" connection.
cheers
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Harpax
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Posted - 2006.10.23 18:20:00 -
[560]
I've read pages 16, 17, 18 and 19 of this thread while waiting to undock. And I dont mean skim through or read over, I mean like a cup of coffee, 7 mins plus to actually read and... yup.. still not undocked yet.
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Daka Daka
Boreel Enigma
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:11:00 -
[561]
/signed having all the issues mentioned above.
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anthonieak
Gallente SuX ltd. Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:17:00 -
[562]
Your character is located within (Ivar), which has reached maximum capacity. You are #2 in queue for entrance. Please try again in a moment.
This i get some times. so you cannot log in a station anymore. Never had that in other online games I played. Eve is getting more and more laggier and more and more we get sitation like queing for this and that.
AK very unsatified paying client
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Piccolo Lupo
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:25:00 -
[563]
Urgh, just got kicked off game in deklein....
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Kor Adoom
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:46:00 -
[564]
/signed
all i ask for is smooth gameplay in exchange for my money...
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WarGod
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:40:00 -
[565]
I say f*ck all your new ships and equipment. The game is to unstable and inforcing nodes is uselessly slow.
Why not think ahead?? 10 new nodes? get 50!
Cannot wait for patch day, wonder how long 'overtime' they going to spend fixing all the problems they going to just find 10 seconds after patch. D00M. WarGods Kills
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Steph Wing
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Posted - 2006.10.23 23:46:00 -
[566]
Edited by: Steph Wing on 23/10/2006 23:47:04 In the hour I've been playing so far today, lag has forced me to restart the client five times. I nearly lost my brand-new Thorax because of it!
Hell, even the EVE website isn't working properly.
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Lorn Cholaxu
Gallente Monadyne
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Posted - 2006.10.24 01:02:00 -
[567]
Wholeheartedly agree with the primary post. In the last two days I have been seriously considering uninstalling and walking away from EVE, cancelling both of my year-long subscriptions and calling it a net loss of a few hundred dollars. The reason for this is the completely unacceptable lack of server stability, and constant deluge of canned apologies from the development team.
"Server down, deeply sorry for any inconvenience" Gaaah.
It isn't a matter of convenience that the game server should function in a stable manner at all times. It's the single, primary, basic, elemental reason I pay money to play the game. I don't pay for the privilege of being a beta tester, and I really don't care if there are gee-gaw new features just around the corner. In the real world, that's called "vaporware", and it's also not what I paid for.
I lost my entire day's mining effort yesterday due to the crash. I don't expect to be reimbursed for several weeks. I can't keep the connection to the server alive for more than a few minutes at a time, so this game is completely unplayable right now. I fix computer networks for a Big 10 university for a living, so I know my network is 100 percent functional here. Losing minerals isn't NEARLY as bad as losing the confidence that I could go out and mine them again successfully.
Without confidence in the basic server stability, it's hard to convince myself to mount the effort to do anything in game, and discouragement is setting in like gangrene here for my friends and me. I don't want an apology. I want change.
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Synderella
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:21:00 -
[568]
Originally by: WarGod I say f*ck all your new ships and equipment. The game is to unstable and inforcing nodes is uselessly slow.
Why not think ahead?? 10 new nodes? get 50!
Cannot wait for patch day, wonder how long 'overtime' they going to spend fixing all the problems they going to just find 10 seconds after patch.
Set a 30 day training time skill just in case. With their track record lately, this is almost not sarcastic.
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Raven Seldon
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Posted - 2006.10.24 13:22:00 -
[569]
SIGNED!!! ______________________________________________ My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes. |
Chris Devolt
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Posted - 2006.10.24 13:35:00 -
[570]
/signed
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Xplained
The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:09:00 -
[571]
SIGNED!!!
C'mon CCP, im giving you 3 months to sort this mess out, then im looking for another game, i pay to play, not to be lagged out, it aint funny no more. |
Saikull IV
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:16:00 -
[572]
Signed..
But i doubt ccp will take any notice.. perhaps we should fill in petitions instead with the title of this thread..
CCP we dont need new content, we need less lag! |
PeveS
Chosen Path
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:32:00 -
[573]
Signed
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Arch Templar
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:46:00 -
[574]
/signed!
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Awestruck
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:02:00 -
[575]
-Signed
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Shirley Koch
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:56:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Goddance /signed again
Getting really bad. How do you survive waiting for a gate in low sec? I waited 5 minutes for a gate in high sec and thought I'd lose my mind. And that was from an empty system to another empty system.
Guess low sec is out of the question now. Besides, a fleet battle or gate camp for me would be a flash and "...so you have died..." due to the lag. How do you survive out there? I mean i wouldn't be able to even sit at a gate. If I did I just lag out the minute someone warped in.
This morning, I just can't believe the lag. What ever happened last night to the server has done some serious damage imo
Really just disappointed in the game. It takes me so long to learn a game, that I'd hate to have to find another one and start all over.
you just die in low sec (yesterday duo was out of gate and ship did nothing jsut had to wait till it uncloacks and i got pwn by nother player who had no probs)
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Pierre Jacquemein
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:27:00 -
[577]
I am new to Eve; a friend and I were talking about the MMO's we liked and he mentioned Eve-Online. I didn't give it another thought for several months, but then I got bored with the MMO I was playing (Guild Wars) and nothing else looked interesting (WoW = teh suck), so I figured, "What the heck. I'll try Eve. I'll play it until something better comes along." And what do you know: I decided that I really liked Eve, it offered enough content to keep me busy for several years, and at the rate things were going according to the dev blogs and such, there was more content on the way. But no matter how fun a game is, no matter how much depth there is, if it is unplayable I will not waste my time or money on it. Even in the short time I have been playing, I have noticed a severe increase in lag. I lost a Thorax and got podded because of lag (that may not be a big deal to most of you, but I've been playing for a little over a month so my Thorax, its mods, and a Memory Implant represents a large time investment). I will not continue paying $15 a month to have a game that I cannot play on the weekends.
I'm not giving up on Eve yet. But I have started looking for another game to play. If Eve is still lagging and I am still getting frozen in space for up to 10 minutes at a time in an almost barren system, I am taking my measely $15 a month to a more deserving company. Please, CCP, don't let it come to this. |
Phoenixhawk
Caldari Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:21:00 -
[578]
Took some time off, had a hour to kill, lets see if anything has been done to make eve playable i think to myself, 10 mins in que to log in as number one in que, i think to myself, man the system must have became loaded since i've been on break.....hit the station there are all of count'em THREE!!! in system counting myself!!! Open the Char Sheet to check/change skills, 2 min load time, Assets 4mins and then i closed it giving up on it. what the heck, i'll undock head a couple jumps over and see whats going on. Undocking took seven minutes, couple ques on the way over to where i was going, those i didnt time, but i would say 3 to 5 a stargate. dockup there, 1min 38seconds to load my item hanger, only 45seconds or so for opening my ship hanger, corp hanger FORGETABOUTIT! after 10mins I said screw it, I'll surf the forums and see whats going on, looks like more of the same. and like a couple of the guys in here from pre-shiva said, CCP has taken this that and the other AWAY (ie something we HAD was REMOVED) in promises if decreased lag, and better gameplay. Yes it is possible that the player increases have overpowered any and all decreases Ccp has made, but to be honest i doubt it. they have made little in the way of decreases, and after every time, we might see a slight decrease, which seems to disapper within the same week, and i know the player base is not increasing that rapidly, i've been around to remember the 5k, 8k, 10k, 15k, 20k, 25k, and 30k barriers being broken, and each of them took quite some time. before the next one. nobody i talk to saw any lag decrease when we lost our drones. yes anyone from back in the day could tell you, you could see a lag start anytime a vexor or dommie lauched its fleet of drones, but it wasnt the whole system, it was that space around the ships that saw it, mostly in the client i belive. Coldwar brought the start of the end of playablity. We got to EXPECT the hanger lag and etc. after that, and its steady got worse, not better since. and our standards have dropped as we got used to each new and painful patch. and it looks as CCP's standards have dropped as well along with it.
See ya after my next vacation.
Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six!
Space Vampire |
Suma tataki
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:19:00 -
[579]
I have noticed some serious problems alate but these are still exciting times ahead.
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Valasaria
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:07:00 -
[580]
Originally by: Suma tataki I have noticed some serious problems alate but these are still exciting times ahead.
If you talking about the new additions to the game, I took a quick look over in the test server to see some of the new content, and tbh, really, I'm not all that impressed. Sorry to say that, but I'm not. So far its been a lot of build up and not much "bang" if you know what I'm talking about. The lack luster additional content (so far), coupled with the massive amounts of pain the community has had to endure to get it implemented has left me very dis-illusioned in CCP and where they're going with tthe whole project that is Eve. Again, sorry to say that, but this looks like the thread for voiceing these opinions. Anyway, I hope they pull some amazing fixes and implement some jaw dropping additions on the 1st or I'm outta here. Good luck peps!
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Zion Zan'threxian
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:39:00 -
[581]
Yeah I've been having to get reimbursments for months now, a ferox, 2 domis, and now my raven... As embarrassed as I am to say, I LOST MY RAVEN ON A LVL 2 MISSION. I had like 3/4 shields left, and was warping back to the agent (mission was complete) and what happens? it doesn't warp, oh it SAYS it's warping, I can't even hit ctrl-space cos "I'm in warp" so what do I do? I sit and watch the raven I really can't afford to replace at this point (if I did I'd have no insurance money to REFUND when they decide to finally take a look at my petition) I'm sick a damn well tired of having to deal with the waiting for reimbursment ok lag kills? Fine then you have 3 choices CCP, get more GMs and deal with petitionts in a more timely manner, FIX THESE BUGS, or reimburse me for the time I have to sit without being able to spend my isk so I can be sure to get my ship back (I could just buy one but then all the modules wouldn't be replaced and that's a big loss) I'm seriously thinking after almost 3 years of moving to another game. CCP do something NOW or I'm out.
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Mokrar
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Posted - 2006.10.26 08:16:00 -
[582]
/signed
unplayable
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Minith Jin
Amarr Demon Womb
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:07:00 -
[583]
I used to have huge problems with this, recently I got a new wireless router and card and ISP (wasn't just for eve, was moving house) and now it seems to be working pretty well, still the odd disconnect and bit of lag, but nothing too much. Although I'd note I'm in 0.0 atm, and when I was in empire yesterday I had a huge lag spike killing a caracal, thankfully didn't crash though. ------- Killing innocents since Jan 06 |
Wolfgang Paco
Cloak and Daggers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 13:49:00 -
[584]
I was in a Lev 4 mission yesterday with 2 corpmates, me (in domi) was playing armour tank for the group this was no problem until one stage all 30+ ships decided to target me and my drones. With this happening the screen froze and the mother of all lag came along. The only way out for me after realising i couldnt initiate my armour reps intime and listening to my corpmates tell me my armour was disappearing over Vent was that I had to to log. Not even this saved me. After reboot i saw a lovely little pod.
That Domi was a large portion of investment which took months to achieve. No i hope that the GM's will look into my petition and replace it.
I find EVE so buggy that it really is a nightmare when you start to advance in the game and when taking part in large fleet ops or missions it becomes totally ridiculous.
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Hilder
Amarr Magnetar Ltd DeStInY.
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:36:00 -
[585]
Edited by: Hilder on 26/10/2006 14:36:00 Oh no CCP, the lag sunk my Battleship!
Platinum insurance to the rescue
errr and /signed
----------- Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves...
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NurofenMiner
Amarr United Knights Mining and Security
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Posted - 2006.10.26 17:12:00 -
[586]
I remember the good ol' days before dragon...
A time when the system scanner worked, a time when character information load times were small, and database queries were fast. A time before having serious rubber banding when jumping to gates and stations.
Then they went and borked it all up and still haven't fixed it
This **** is really starting to annoy me
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Maltitol
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Posted - 2006.10.26 17:32:00 -
[587]
Signed...
#1 pet peeve --> 0 people in system, and system your jumping to and you are #1 in queue and have a 3 minute jump queue to jump. WTF is this?
Wouldnt it make sense for the gate to jump you (so you dont get ganked) then let the system refresh your jump to system when it can?
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wertgqwergqerg
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:10:00 -
[588]
Edited by: wertgqwergqerg on 26/10/2006 20:12:33
Originally by: Blank Protection Ok its all very clear people, the game has some serious lag issues and is almost unplayable. But be a little reasonable now. 19 Pages of non-stop complaining about the gameplay is absurd. Just take it for now or just cancel your subscrition and take a brake for a while. Nobody is forcing ppl to play and pay for the game its all of your own free will. So don`t like it at the moment, just leave.
Lets give CCP a break now and wait till 1 or 2 november when the hardware upgrade comes. Than see after that how the game play will be.
Btw** All the complainers here on the forum actually don`t have the balls to quit. Your just to addicted to the game.
1) We've been reasonable. We've kept paying for a product we are not recieving. The problem still isn't fixed, and leans heavily towards "getting worse". It's high time to stop being reasonable and demand a solution.
2) 19 pages of nonstop complaining should be an indicator of how bad the problem is, not a target for CCP-fanbois to exploit. 30,000 people play this game. A large percentage of them are experiencing the problem daily. 19 pages of "complaints" exist. Lets recap: 30,000 people. 19 pages. What a bunch of whiners, eh?
3) We pay for a service. We should not have to "take it". CCP should "give" it...and willingly. The "cancel your subscription" line is getting old, by the way, and contributes nothing at all. If you do not have these problems, or can happily tolerate them, then post elsewhere as in either case....your comments are irrelevant.
4) Not only do many people have large amounts of cash tied up in bulk bought subscriptions, but just about EVERY player (bar true noobies) have HUGE amounts of time invested in this game. The solution is not, "lose your money, time and effort" ....it is "provide the service you advertised, continue to advertise, and accept money for).
5) The hardware upgrade. Oh yes. Our virtual nirvana. There is one problem with this imaginary oasis though....the massive lag that we have has only begun in the last 3 weeks or so. Does anyone REALLY believe that our playerbase has taken such a HUGE jump, that it overwhelmed the server in just 3 weeks? Of course it didn't. The hardware that worked fine 3 weeks ago should work fine today, bar a physical breakdown of a portion of it. The latest problems occured after the latest patches.
6) We shouldn't have to quit. We paid. I'll say it again: Give us what we paid for. On a side: "having balls" is not usually thought of as "sucking the arse of the company that's corning yours". At least not by my definition.
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Blackpearl
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Posted - 2006.10.27 01:37:00 -
[589]
I am not the type to complain about the little stuff, but this is BIG. If I were not paying for EVE, then I wouldnt complain, I would deal with it.If you buy a game, or pay for the service, you should get that game or service. Im not going to threaten to "stop paying" because of the lack of service, but I will expect better quality.
I have lost 2 Domi's, because of lag.. whatever you wanna call it. I have had most of the problems described in the other threads. I worry when I go into a level IV mission that I might lose a ship, not to NPC, or lack of skill.. but lag. The typical experiance is, get aggro'd, screen freeze. The next screen I see is a pod.
If it is a graphics issue, then add the option to reduce the quality of the objects... or not display the objects all together. Hell, all I see is red or white +'s of different size anyway.
Otherwise, it is an ok game, but fixing the probs should be first priority.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:51:00 -
[590]
Personally I think this thread should get a sticky. I mean, why not? It has MORE replies than any stickied thread in here, it has the third most reads, so whatÆs up with it not being stickied? Oh, wait...... could it be all of the INCONVENIENT TRUTHS that the thread is filled with that CCP would rather just WENT AWAY rather than having to actually get off their ARSE and do something about them? Hmmm.... that could be it. Oh, and /bump. Nope, told you this one wasn't going away CCP. *
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.27 05:54:00 -
[591]
Originally by: wertgqwergqerg Edited by: wertgqwergqerg on 26/10/2006 20:12:33
Originally by: Blank Protection
1) We've been reasonable. We've kept paying for a product we are not recieving. The problem still isn't fixed, and leans heavily towards "getting worse". It's high time to stop being reasonable and demand a solution.
2) 19 pages of nonstop complaining should be an indicator of how bad the problem is, not a target for CCP-fanbois to exploit. 30,000 people play this game. A large percentage of them are experiencing the problem daily. 19 pages of "complaints" exist. Lets recap: 30,000 people. 19 pages. What a bunch of whiners, eh?
3) We pay for a service. We should not have to "take it". CCP should "give" it...and willingly. The "cancel your subscription" line is getting old, by the way, and contributes nothing at all. If you do not have these problems, or can happily tolerate them, then post elsewhere as in either case....your comments are irrelevant.
4) Not only do many people have large amounts of cash tied up in bulk bought subscriptions, but just about EVERY player (bar true noobies) have HUGE amounts of time invested in this game. The solution is not, "lose your money, time and effort" ....it is "provide the service you advertised, continue to advertise, and accept money for).
5) The hardware upgrade. Oh yes. Our virtual nirvana. There is one problem with this imaginary oasis though....the massive lag that we have has only begun in the last 3 weeks or so. Does anyone REALLY believe that our playerbase has taken such a HUGE jump, that it overwhelmed the server in just 3 weeks? Of course it didn't. The hardware that worked fine 3 weeks ago should work fine today, bar a physical breakdown of a portion of it. The latest problems occured after the latest patches.
6) We shouldn't have to quit. We paid. I'll say it again: Give us what we paid for. On a side: "having balls" is not usually thought of as "sucking the arse of the company that's corning yours". At least not by my definition.
Your 200% right brother but whe can`t do a thing about it. And it`s not getting better before the end of the year. Wait till 2 november and set a very long skill training because whe all now, after the updates comes the bigger problems and much reboots etc etc.
But what i was meand to say is that CCP is not going to listen or reply to all these complains. Be real mate, 30.000 subscribers and only 591 are complaining here and a lot of us are giving multiple reply`s. Its only 3-4% of all the Eve players. Everytime somebody says to CCP " I give you 3 month`s to fix the problem or i leave" etc etc, they think "leave". For 1 player that stopped playing Eve 10 new players are coming back.
The game is just getting to big,what did you expect? A smooth running game with more than 30.000 players at least at the same time? No way man not in a 30.000 years.
cheers mate you just have to do with it, nothing more nothing less.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.10.27 06:32:00 -
[592]
Originally by: wertgqwergqerg 4) Not only do many people have large amounts of cash tied up in bulk bought subscriptions, but just about EVERY player (bar true noobies) have HUGE amounts of time invested in this game. The solution is not, "lose your money, time and effort" ....it is "provide the service you advertised, continue to advertise, and accept money for).
I'll put emphasis on that point. There is a considerable amount of game design based around having to invest lots of effort, and subsequently money into the game. The missing skill queuing is good evidence of that.
I'll add that all the whiner on here want the game to work, and also want to enjoy it to the fullest.
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Zion Zan'threxian
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Posted - 2006.10.27 08:13:00 -
[593]
Blank Protection---
I think you fail to realize that for every 1 person to speak another 10 feel exactly the same, and probably more than that. Just enter ANY system in game, ANY time of the day, and make a statement similar to what peopel are saying in this thread I assure you EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM will bring you 2 or 3 people who will agree whole heartedly. Not complaiing in the forum? Why aren't they? You also seem to not realize that a large number of players don't even KNOW this forum exists. I can't tell you how many times I've pointed older players, I'm saying 1 - 1.5 year olds discussing ship fittings were surprised at the wealth of information in the forums, they'd never so much as visited. 30,000 people at once isn't a far reaching expectation of stable server concurrant users. The problem is CCP isn't sony, it's not blizzard, they're a smaller company, they don't have the powerhouse development farms like the massive gaming companies do, at the same time they tend to listen to US more than the larger companies would ever concieve of, but again they simply cannot handle the massive development and debugging that something this size requires with such a small development team. I'm sure eventually they'll get it all hammered out and get things running smooth, it'll just take time, likely a lot of time. Remember CCP isn't some megahouse game company it's like a mom and pop grocery going suddenly to having to handle a walmart supply chain, it'll be rough for a while but once they get things moving forward and begin to understand the new required strategies in development it'll be smoother sailing then ever before, the growth spurt has just been insane and I'm sure it's problematic. Just give'm time.
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Karas Rabus
Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:55:00 -
[594]
After 2,5 years of carebear life I finally notice that my claws and fangs had started to grow big and sharp and I start actively getting into pvp situations. At first everything was ok with some lag but that was ok, jumps to other systems were reasonably fast and I could kill quite effectively.
During last weeks things have changed. More general lag, jumps now take much longer and sometimes my client totally freezes while jumping. I can still kill quite well and be a deadly asset to my gang but life isn¦t that easy as it used to be. Few nights ago we were camping EC- gate and jumped to Torr since there were wartarget(s) at the other side. For me that resulted in painfully long jump time and once in Torr my frames/second turned into seconds/frame.
I¦ve supported my ship arsenal by mining and ratting. Both activities are getting more and more laggy. Containers take forever to open, modules activate/deactivete with irritating delay and the risk of disconnection is high. Quite dangerous problems in 0.0 where you have to be able to respond to sudden situations fast.
Other problems I¦ve noticed recently are duplicates of objects on overview and inability to access corp/any other channel after logging in. Add those login queues to that list, even if you are trying to log into some quiet system.
WTF is going on?
1.) Server cannot keep up with the load?
2.) Program code/patch code sucks?
3.) Both above?
4.) Someone causing trouble intentionally? a.) To prove he is t3h H4xx0r b.) To retaliate because of something c.) To milk some money from CCP(mafia style) d.) To squeeze in-game favours from CCP e.) Something else
5.) Something undefined?
[guess who likes conspiracy theories?]
I run 4 separate accounts of which I can use 2 simultaneously. Ever since I found out that I¦ll get massive tax refund I¦ve been thinking about getting a new pc, EVE being the main reason for it. I¦m not so sure anymore. My deadline will be the end of january. Unless things change I¦ll propably start playing some other MMORPG again. I hope I don¦t have to do that since I¦ve invested lots of time and money to this game.
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Devious
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Posted - 2006.10.27 12:05:00 -
[595]
Imagine if Mc donalds or some other major company out there fed you something that was substandard and wasnt what you where paying for.yes we all know mc donalds is a bad choice to use in termology becuase appart from their 100% beef motto( they dont tell where that beef comes from on the cow) they are not making you eat their burgers nor are they packing it full of Cardboard and broken promises .if CCP ran mcdonalds i think they would end up feeding the world Cardboard Bigmacs and sewer water shakes, becuase that is what the service feels like now, and i know if that was the case their would be several thousand complaints about it. this is what you have here , a thread NOT locked and being watched to see how big it really gets, after 1000posts i think ccp will start to answer but for now they are in DnD mode on this.
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Arondor
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.10.27 14:07:00 -
[596]
but Kali is coming and will fix everything, just like dragon and every other "upgrade"did
/me sarcasm off
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Avergil
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:08:00 -
[597]
/Signed
for 2 days now i havent been able to connect to the game. get stuck at acquiring bulk data screen. this day, i have been trying for 7 hours now. i will continue to try fixing my problem for another 10 before i goto sleep. yes, i am an addict.
cpp, restore our game to how it was 2 days ago.
*eve not working makes people very sad, and stop paying*
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Mika Yabi
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Posted - 2006.10.28 03:05:00 -
[598]
My 14-day trial is almost over. I enjoy the EVE's depth and atmosphere, but I'm not going to pay for a game with such horrible lag. I'll be sure to warn my friends about this game.
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Dano Sarum
Giants in the Playground Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.28 03:59:00 -
[599]
Edited by: Dano Sarum on 28/10/2006 04:01:24 Well, I've had similar issues.
Whilst my rig isn't the best in the world it was pretty much top of the range about 8 months back and should be more then adaquete for EVE.
One of the things which also annoys me is in some missions they'll have like 50+ large collidable structures which serve NO PURPOSE except for decoration yet push the poly counts up.
I can't help but feel that CCP are more interested in what static screenshots will look like on gaming magazines and graphics wise on small inhouse servers with huge spec PC's MORE then they are worried about playability.
What I'm about to say now really shouldn't fall upon deaf ears....
CCP, the majority of your fan base are long time EVE players, they are your community, we would rather be able to play the game we know then try and play an unplayable laggy as hell "improved" version.
Do not comprimise gameplay for a nicer looking screenshot.
Massive graphics updates and all of these new code are adding to the lag and destroying the game that we'd originally signed up for. If you loose the old players you loose your community.
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Chienka
Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.28 05:19:00 -
[600]
/signed.
2 minute long lag-outs 4tl.
Losing AF's to a level 2 drone plex 4tl.
Losing my pod, implants and battleship to a hostile I never saw 4tl.
Emergency warping at every stargate I jump through 4tl.
Paying more money to get better internet to try to fix the problem 4tl.
Ill be leaving the game soon. I cant even rat in a dead-end local-empty 0.0 system without lagging for at least 30 seconds every minute.
CCP, I hope you realise that customers are important to your success, and if several thousand customers cannot play because of issues on your end, you ought to solve the problem, in your own best interest.
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Dr Fury
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Posted - 2006.10.28 05:23:00 -
[601]
Ive tried all solutions so far...and actually one I didnt expect worked rather well...but now its started disco'ing again.
When running logserver I get this error msg:
1907232006.10.28 05:14:49:581Problem reading class UIWindow, found member "hint" (type 8), not in class. Ignored.
Can anyone shed some light on this? coz Im not sure I cba sorting a petition.
/The Doc
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Noxic
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Posted - 2006.10.28 15:26:00 -
[602]
LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG AG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG Your system has become to unstable this program will now terminate......
WTF CCP fix it or Face a Defective Product Case.and those courts in iceland wont bail u out.
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Duana
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.28 18:25:00 -
[603]
/signed
I didn't read through every post, but found most of them to be completely accurate. As of late I've been running missions on what looks to be at least a reasonably sized mission hub (population ranges from 50 to 100 peak) and have been experiencing the very worst of what people have commented on.
30,000 concurrent users and a sizeable chunk of that stuck in lag. Woot? -------------------- Juffo-Wup fills my fibers and I grow turgid. Violent action ensues.
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Meremoth
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Posted - 2006.10.28 18:50:00 -
[604]
/signed
Hope these bastards burn in hell for messing with genuine peoples V-Lifes here in eve :P
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Arch Templar
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Posted - 2006.10.29 02:03:00 -
[605]
Am I playing the game "EVE" or the game "Connection to server lost"?
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Reizu
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Posted - 2006.10.29 03:12:00 -
[606]
Originally by: Manja I have to agree with what Dark is trying to say here. For the past couple of weeks i have had the same experience and i have lost ships to it aswell, but they have been reimburst, so thats no problem.
I also agree but have not had the same outcome with CCP being understandable as far as ship loss and reimbursments. I lost a Rupture due to lag while to scoop a lost drone in space. the drone would not go into my dronebay, a message kept saying it was not in the sysytem so I got a little aggrivated and clicked my missiles not expecting anything to happen. OOPS.. I guess the drone was in the system even tho the game said it wasn't. anyways Concord came a blasted me and I lost alot of great gear for a cruiser. (great for me anyways at the time) when I put in a trouble ticket to CCP they said there was no record of a problem at that time so I couldnt get reimburst. It sucked and put a sour taste in my mouth with CCP.
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Zeko Rena
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Posted - 2006.10.29 03:46:00 -
[607]
I really hope CCP sort it out soon, even level three agent missions are getting dangerious, with the server going potty and my ISP is pretty *** too, i can lag up for upto 10 minutes and im serious, i still fly and so do enemys but i cannot do anything, then suddenly you unlag if your lucky and oh sheilds are at 20% and you havent fired one missle because your still locking targets from yesterday.
Its making missions take even longer and become more tedious then ever... i remeber the back in the day when eve didnt lag :)
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Scirinyx
Raptor Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.29 06:01:00 -
[608]
Aeschee, 21 in local, massive lag, how the hell are you supposed to do lvl 4's under these circumstances.
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Vlad Stormbringer
Amarr The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2006.10.29 11:32:00 -
[609]
Signed. Last night was bad, traffic control signs all over the place and I lose connection sporadically. Not good .
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.29 14:42:00 -
[610]
yes, lag, disconnects and node crashes are still there every day and can happen any time. it's horrible. i don't do lvl4s anymore because module lag of 20 seconds is too dangerous. in 0.0 you can get module lag of a couple of seconds even with like 10 people in the same spot. or lag-warping in to a gate three times and noone else there. or the frickin disconnects. nodes can crash with 100 ppl already... i find myself logging in less and less frequently recently. i'm just training some long skills.
adding more hardware is like adding a lane to a highway. the extra capacity is used up so fast that you run into the same traffic jams in like 2 years. a pvp game needs top performance. it's like playing quake with a ping of 500 where stuff doesn't move but warp around.
oh well i've posted nothing new, yea. it's sad that this is all known, been like that for weeks and months now. dragon was supposed to bring us "optimizations" yet it ****ed everything up. poo performance and lots of missions gone and to be replaced soon(tm). kali will bring more "optimizations". i'll set bs5 or bc5 just in case... who's next in line for a rant? :)
ps: oh i just lost connection while writing this post 4tl.
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DriveCrash
The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.29 20:54:00 -
[611]
oh me! me me me!
Yeah, looseing raven after jumping gate without ever seeing anyone lock, shoot or anything.. 4tl. trying to setup new cruiser, but missing pvp op because it takes 20 minutes to move modules and ammo onto ship.. 4tl.
I dont do level 4's or even want to fly in 0.0 due to lag. It's gotten to the point now i count the weekend as dead time in eve. only problem with that is i work during the week??.. maybe it's really time to lay off the MMO's and go single player 4tw =(
*sigh*
-DCO
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Diatom
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:20:00 -
[612]
I certainly hope the hardware upgrade Nov. 1st brings some substantial relief to this gawd awful lag. It's so difficult to play in Motsu but that's where my Agent and 300k + LP is at.
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Gemini Alpha
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Posted - 2006.10.29 22:32:00 -
[613]
Edited by: Gemini Alpha on 29/10/2006 22:33:02 Signed, It's become unplayable, I'm sad I can't play on Sunday's (lag peaks) and I too is looking at my options for my PC time
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Recluse Viramor
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.29 22:50:00 -
[614]
/signed
I could care less about kali, I want playable servers.
EVE NEEDS a truely dynamic server architecture that can load balence on the fly, not once a week.
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Osmodious
CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.29 22:58:00 -
[615]
Wow this is bad, in GB-6X5 with Goonswarm and RA already been dropped 3 times now waiting at 'entering game as Osmodious' for the last 25 mins....
I just know I'm gonna end up blwon up and podded without seeing a single hostile. FFS this is unbearable lag, could have been a great fight with outcome going either way.
RA/Goonswarm, glad you guys turned out, sucks that it ended up this way.
Perhaps we should just make a fleet engagement appointment and give the GM's a month in advance to shore up the servers
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Engelious
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Posted - 2006.10.29 23:31:00 -
[616]
The lag has never been worse than these last weeks in my opinion, Even in 0.0 systems with few players lag occurs...
Reload all courses your launchers/gunz unwilling to reload... Mods wont online, Ships wont warp, menus wont appear or dis appear again...
in short..
Eve-online should change name to Petetion online... course that's what ive been doing lately more than ever.
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DriveCrash
The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 00:22:00 -
[617]
Originally by: Engelious in short..
Eve-online should change name to Petetion online... course that's what ive been doing lately more than ever.
lol! lets not forget that the email pettition system is broke! so you can only file a petition online!? but oh.. we get booted and cant connect due to the problems we want to petition... so it should be
"wish i could petition online" =P
-DCO
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Kult Ngor
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.30 00:28:00 -
[618]
I say - drop Kali for now and deal with the real issues!!! Trying to log into GB- for 1h was bad enough for one fight, but every day, for the past months? C'mon!! It's NEVER been this bad! We know that, you know that!
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Edgars Sults
LFC Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.30 00:43:00 -
[619]
EVE is no more the best mining simulation around. It's the best lag simulation.
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.30 05:58:00 -
[620]
Heads up ppl There is light on the horizon. Finnaly whe can play without lag. CCP build for us a MASSIVE EVE CARD GAME. And you dont even need a ISP for. Just some daylight or a candle will do.
Good work CCP, at least whe now where our money goes.
Man now i`m sure the world is going to end very soon.
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Amon 'Chakai
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:09:00 -
[621]
tjooh, Readed the whole topic trough to this point.. So where is the damn money going as the figures where insanely high.. and tbh adding more graph stuff to game what's already lagging like hell.. "good" going in communication between teams.
If I would run my work crews and order stuff like this.. I would get fired but I gues CCP is "new" to the industry. Anyways waiting to see how much that hardware upgrade will effect but if there's new regions i'm guessing it will be at best 10% upgrade to certain areas.. just a very wild gues and thus nothing changes.
I already forgot the idea of making 2nd account after I saw the lag hell in empire, thou it seems to be same in 0,0. Dunno when the game went to lag mode as if I remember right it was supposed to be made for even modem users at start. "It's time to roll the dice.." |
Deaken Fiss
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2006.10.30 10:44:00 -
[622]
signed again after nearly 2 month and 21 pages of ignorance from CCP greetings
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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:35:00 -
[623]
signed. lag is really bad atm and renders the game unplayable.
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Xell Chi'an
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:50:00 -
[624]
Signed
If for no other reason than simply to bump it up....cause apparently no one from CCP has seen the thread yet...
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:47:00 -
[625]
Originally by: Xell Chi'an Signed
.......apparently no one from CCP has seen the thread yet...
Thats because they where playing Cards all the time man don`t you get it.
Ok who`s dealing this round? Hey dude get some beers boy.
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Misses Gap
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.30 20:20:00 -
[626]
Today at approx. 19:00 eve time one of the most bizzare lag spikes hit us Nalvula.
When I say us I mean my alliance, our war enemies and members of Toxin/Outbreak.
This was in any regard an example how this game should never, ever - under any circumstances be.
I suspect there is a backup being made and this created heavy I/O lag but even this would be no excuse without due notice being made in advance of this.
Thank you for your attention and consideration, Gap
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SystemicFailure
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Posted - 2006.10.31 03:41:00 -
[627]
Edited by: SystemicFailure on 31/10/2006 03:45:50 I've been on the 14 day trial for 5 days now... looking for a cool "new" mmo to play, but this is driving me crazy. Nothing but terrible lag most of the time, and with few exceptions, server drops every few minutes. I'm in Jita most of the time because of the newbie missions, and from reading these posts, it seems that may be a big part of my problem. What's frustrating is that Eve seems like a very cool idea. It's vastly different (from what little I've seen) than WoW, FFXI and EQ2, and I was really looking forward to playing it more. I think the idea of a huge fleet battle is great! Another cool one is guarding all of the miners in your corp while they do their thing, and just going on pvp raids. So, I've gone back to EQ2 for the moment... and I'll keep an eye on Eve, but for now, it's just not worth the money, or the effort.
I'm just venting... not really adding anything to the post. Maybe ccp will realize that they're losing potential customers because of this problem (I won't recommend Eve to anyone I know, but will instead warn against it) and worry about it more than the content updates that they appear to continue pushing.
/signed
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Raven Bait
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Posted - 2006.10.31 11:44:00 -
[628]
Last night during Guristas Extravaganza I almost lost my Raven. I was at full speed and the [warping] thing was there. I should have warped out but they broke my shield tank (which I had trouble activating) and almost got through my armor.
Shortly thereafter my game started going at about 2 fps for a minute or so.
I have had a lot of the targeting faults too -- the targeting counter just resets or nothing happens.
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ocean waves
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Posted - 2006.10.31 12:57:00 -
[629]
This is insane, I loved eve when i 1st got into it but now its unplayable i'm seriously considering just spending my 15 quid down the pub. I have a few friends that where interested in joining but i've had to tell them not to bother, its just not worth it with all this lag! CCP U R LOOSING CUSTOMERS, if kali dont fix it i'm gone. |
Feral Karkassia
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Posted - 2006.10.31 23:43:00 -
[630]
Yeah, I hear that--I'm in a system with maybe 15 in local, with probably 4 people in any given system for five jumps in any direction. Fighting -three rats- in a belt and by the time my guns or modules activate, the drones are already gloating over their new kill.
Trying to work the local lvl two deadspace can really be hellacious too, though two days ago it was faster than normal (post-patch normal). I will say, this is all with -all effects off- and -all turret effects off- and that's frustrating; I love the sound of autocannons in the morning, and hate having to give the full game experience up.
I too hope things improve. I want to grow my character here, improve skills, become a known somebody. This ain't helping.
I'm not going to complain here about all the bugs I'm running into left and right, but I will say I feel like I'm beta-testing, not playing a game that deserves paying for. Problem is, it's so **** addictive... I guess these bugs are the nicotine patch?
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Zeko Rena
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Posted - 2006.11.01 00:33:00 -
[631]
How old is everyones clients that have posted here, i know that my client has probibily been installed and used for over a year now without a unistall or anything, and i thought there used to be a post somewhere on the forum telling you files you could delete, like chat logs etc, that could reduce lag, but i cant find it anywhere.
I might try unistalling and reinstalling both my eve clients this weekend.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.01 06:47:00 -
[632]
Edited by: Solbright on 01/11/2006 06:49:14
It's not hard to find the right files, they are all inside the Eve cache folder. Eve's file and directory naming helps in the search. Start by moving the files in question before deleting.
BTW: It's not lag you are trying to fix, it's stutter. Lag does not affect FPS.
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Lemming Tarto
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:51:00 -
[633]
Edited by: Lemming Tarto on 01/11/2006 23:51:06 Ah so deleting files from the directory wont reduce lag, im sure i heard it helped with lag, but if it only helps with FPS theres not much point in me bothering, thanks for clearing that up for me
This is Zeko by the way, i clicked this dumb character by accident, i keep forgetting to delete her, lol
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.02 06:26:00 -
[634]
There is a common blame of lag for everything and a misconception by some that low framerate and stutter can also be caused by lag therefore you'll hear such sayings as "Optimising you're graphics settings will improve lag" or "My system froze due to lag".
Games are not written to stop processing because a network packet is pending. Not even Eve is that poor of an implementation.
Hope this helps.
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Amon 'Chakai
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:36:00 -
[635]
I just use lag to say "server side sucks" pretty much anything what isn't due to my comp even if "lag" would be incorrect term for it. "It's time to roll the dice.." |
Misinformed soldier
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:31:00 -
[636]
Originally by: Solbright There is a common blame of lag for everything and a misconception by some that low framerate and stutter can also be caused by lag"
Actually it can, server side lag spikes can result in massive fsp drops for several seconds at a time. And theres no way to combat that kind of framerate loss. And im running a 7900GT, p4 3.0 ghz, so it sure as hell isnt from my end. So its not a misconception, its a reality.
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stoneyharrie2
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:34:00 -
[637]
people the lag sucks yes
but u dont waste 15 bucks, couse so far i know the lag is bad for 4-5 days and new server's come today,, so it will be better tomorrow
else, mail gm whats cousing the lag, an good server might own, but an super server at dial-up conection cant take more then 5 peepz^^
so it might not be server's but conection :P
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ocean waves
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:30:00 -
[638]
Its not just lag that is the problem, though it is a HUGE problem. CCP need to be looking at capacity, if u go to login and u get the "system busy u r x in cue please try again later" or u'r stuck at a gate for 10min (like i was the other night) then it is clear there is a capacity problem. The servers obviosuly cant handle more than 150ppl in local, so if u cant add multiple nodes to one system, or even a node to each system, then GIVE US MORE HIGH QUALITY AGENTS , spread the mission runners out in empire and do u'r best to keep local down until u can have dynamic server allocation! - and if u aint working towards that aim, eve is doomed. How long until star trek online becomes active? |
Epoch
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:45:00 -
[639]
have any of you seen improvements since this hardware upgrade? i am seeing *some* improvements.
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Pistonbroke
Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 17:47:00 -
[640]
Unplayable, no, at least not in the areas I frequent... Painful to play? YES Worse than before the last patch? YES Unreliable? YES Losing ships due to crashes, failures to jump? failures to activate modules? YES
Hmmm not too far from unplayable then I guess...............
And now I haven't been able to log on for 2 days
I've now stopped ranting in a positive way about EvE to friends and colleagues... it's not worth the grief
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:26:00 -
[641]
Originally by: Misinformed soldier
Originally by: Solbright There is a common blame of lag for everything and a misconception by some that low framerate and stutter can also be caused by lag"
Actually it can, server side lag spikes can result in massive fsp drops for several seconds at a time. And theres no way to combat that kind of framerate loss. And im running a 7900GT, p4 3.0 ghz, so it sure as hell isnt from my end. So its not a misconception, its a reality.
I rest my case. I'd even said that not even CCP's coding team would be that poor at coding.
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Lorn Cholaxu
Gallente Monadyne
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:36:00 -
[642]
Well, finally got my mineral reimbursement from the admins, and now that the hardware upgrade has gone through, I've been poking around, trying to work out market orders, etc. Still nightmarishly slow. Waiting a minute for market prices to appear in Sinq Laison, refreshing windows to register changes in my orders, makes me worry that the problems might not be gone at all. We can wait until Kali comes out in the next few weeks to determine whether or not the patches and features were really worth the wait and the grief--anything's possible. In the mean time, the excitement is dead and my enthusiasm is worn out along with my patience. I'm going to curl up with a bucket-o-pints and an ice-cold 40K this weekend.
I can understand why they don't respond to the thread--the game is their life and living, and if it upsets so many people, if they don't know what's really causing it, if they've tried adding hardware and patching problems, it is probably a little frightening. I can respect that, but I'm going to have to vote with my feet pretty soon if things don't pick up a bit. Kali is really the only hope I have left.
/growls
---- "We are at the point where Eve has become an expensive chatroom with some really nice scenery." ~Enkilil
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Sabine Borgia
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.11.02 21:02:00 -
[643]
Originally by: Misinformed soldier
Originally by: Solbright There is a common blame of lag for everything and a misconception by some that low framerate and stutter can also be caused by lag"
Actually it can, server side lag spikes can result in massive fsp drops for several seconds at a time. And theres no way to combat that kind of framerate loss. And im running a 7900GT, p4 3.0 ghz, so it sure as hell isnt from my end. So its not a misconception, its a reality.
/signed
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.02 21:05:00 -
[644]
Hey guys, I'm saying the problem is the client program that CCP writes, not your PC.
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redbrute
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Posted - 2006.11.03 01:20:00 -
[645]
Performance is not improved after the hardware upgrades. We have not seen weekend traffic yet, when we get close to 30K users. It was so bad last Sunday that I stopped playing. Performance has been very choppy today but connectivity has been worse - 4 drops in a few hours. ------------------------- Date Of Birth: 2006.08.28 |
Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.11.03 05:16:00 -
[646]
Well, I have to say from experience that CCP never gets patches right in the first week (maybe month(s)?)...... it's like a law a physics...... impossible to break, but with us left with the seemingly insurmountable task of getting AROUND it. It's not RIGHT. In fact it is very WRONG and SHAMEFUL of CCP to do this same thing to the community over and OVER again. But, the truly diabolical part is, that you can get used to almost any level of pain or torture if you are exposed to it often enough for it to become "a fact of life." Again, not right, and, in fact VERY wrong; but itÆs the way CCP constantly treats us. If you guys bought into their lies that a hardware upgrade was going to make things better, I can only pass on to you my heart-felt sympathy. Shiny new hardware is NICE, but that is all it is. ESPECIALLY, since hardware is NOT the problem. (Reference further back in this very thread (and elsewhere) for all of the yelling (from dozens of community members) about the Dragon very-SOFTWAREish patch.) Software, i.e. the CLIENT, is the problem. And until they fix what they BORKED in Dragon, the game is going to stay the same ugly mess that it is, which NO ONE should be paying for.
But please, by ALL means, keep posting your displeasure in this thread. If the community falls silent then CCP will ultimately assume that everything is fixed, or that we don't care about the poor service anymore and are ready to lye down and take it. If we, the community, don't keep up our duty of letting our oppressors know their behavior is unacceptable, it will never change.
Kali is the only VERY slight glimmer of hope any of us have. MAYBE, and by all accounts to their behavior lately, it is a very BIG maybe, the managers at CCP will get on the ball and make sure this one rolls out right. Note I said the MANAGERS, not the poor working slugs in the trenches or the even poorer volunteers. Because, lets face it, you only get a mess THIS big if you have had a very BASIC and SYSTEMATIC failure at the management level. If they fail to do that, I am going to come right out and say what everyone else is thinking, it will be, without a doubt, the beginning of the end of Eve. Period.
Good night fellow community members, and luck be with you because the management at CCP sure isn't.
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Phoenixhawk
Caldari Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.11.03 05:37:00 -
[647]
I see the new Yarrware didnt help, Installed the test patch and played around with some of the kali goodness, tell you what, unless massive changes are made, and i'm sure some will be done, I doubt kali is going to offer any light at the end of the tunnel either... Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six!
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Sabine Borgia
Amarr Antares Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 07:48:00 -
[648]
all the time i try to get more fps from eve and went to forum the trolls get out their cave and say"turn off sound" reduce your cpu speed or such ****..... i heard also alrdy that my 7900gt slide is just like a 7800 just cheaper... might be but isnt the 7800 still way overpowered for eve??i try along the entire day to get more fps.. i cant accept that its the game but sometimes it must be i mean deactivate the ui and you get masive fps boost or open a ifno windo in space you see that the fps drop badly when you do that but why???
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RayRock
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:32:00 -
[649]
Edited by: RayRock on 03/11/2006 21:32:53 ***BREAKING NEWS***
Warp to 0km for all gates will be added in Kali. Its on the test server. Auto pilot will still warp to 15km.
This removes the need for all insta BMs as well as removing a lot of the lag everyone is complaining about here.
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MadMerlin
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:13:00 -
[650]
eve is so sh1t the last 6 months!! i '' used '' love the game but now its just torture :(
not good ccp ,.. not good
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:54:00 -
[651]
Originally by: RayRock This removes the need for all insta BMs as well as removing a lot of the lag everyone is complaining about here.
Not holding my breath on that one - heard it all before - CCP have a consistent negative track record when it comes to making the game run smooth. Sure, the reduced use/creation of BM's will be a small relief for the servers only to be swamped by the new patch adding more unneeded bulk to the codebase, further impairing Eve's realtime abilities.
And reduced use of BM's won't help with client stutters either as stuttering is not lag related.
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Deirdre Anabella
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Posted - 2006.11.04 17:16:00 -
[652]
The last upgrade change nothing, super laggy game !
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Toman Torax
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.04 19:27:00 -
[653]
Did the latest hardware upgrade help at ALL?
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Ka'kelam
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Posted - 2006.11.04 21:40:00 -
[654]
YO CCP!
you planning on replying to this to give us some closure and insight? Or are you just going ignore us and hope we go away or that the problem fixes itself?
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Enkilil
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Posted - 2006.11.04 21:51:00 -
[655]
Originally by: Toman Torax Did the latest hardware upgrade help at ALL?
Yes, it helped CCP install some really cool hardware upgrades. It also helped justify the expense of what we, as account holders pay every month. It helped the people who work for CCP writing the news, extolling the utter awesomeness of thier shiney new doodads! It helped the PR department, as they swayed in the media cirucs showing off all the nifty new hardware, posing for the cameras, big grins, at a champaigne brunch.
Oh,... you mean 'did it help the lag'?
Someone tell him. I don't have the heart.
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Joycalyn
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 22:04:00 -
[656]
I havn't noticed a difference after new hardware; still lag out; still jump queues; still extreme cases of module lag and client freezes.
Good PC, Connection, and still wtfpwnt.
I'm in agreement with the vast majority of people here - I don't want new content, bugs, etc. I want a playable game. Is that so hard to provide?
Also on a sidenote, I'm sick and tired of it taking a week for petitions to be answered!
Have you recieved your smack immunization? Call 555-STFU |
Saphora
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Posted - 2006.11.04 22:33:00 -
[657]
Aye, the so called server upgrades and extra bandwidth have achieved absolutely nothing.
I lost my Raven after getting booted off the server while doing "Enemies Abound" the very next day after the upgrades...
I've also tonight just been kicked again while trying to do Guristas Extravaganza (the 4th section), and logged back in to find the whole thing reset...but it appears as though i've been lucky...I was speaking to a chap in local after getting booted, and he'd been trying to do Angel Extravaganza since last night, and had had the mission reset 4 times no less!!
Also, in contrast to the relativly active systems i mission in, I've had the same issues flying around out in 0.0 where for 15 or so systems in any direction there's never more than 10 people in any 1 system...
As everyone has said above, these problems do NOT only revolve around busy systems, they are not the result of poor customer internet connections or low spec PC's, and they are not something a paying customer expects to put up with.
I would be quite happy to forget all about the new content in Kali until such a time as they can provide a stable service server wide.
Whatever they are trying to do to resolve this simply isn't working. I don't care what they say or promise, i just want to know when they will fix it permanantly so i can cancel both my accounts, save my money, and re-join when they've got their act together.
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Desev
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Posted - 2006.11.05 08:24:00 -
[658]
Originally by: Solbright
Originally by: RayRock This removes the need for all insta BMs as well as removing a lot of the lag everyone is complaining about here.
Not holding my breath on that one - heard it all before - CCP have a consistent negative track record when it comes to making the game run smooth. Sure, the reduced use/creation of BM's will be a small relief for the servers only to be swamped by the new patch adding more unneeded bulk to the codebase, further impairing Eve's realtime abilities.
And reduced use of BM's won't help with client stutters either as stuttering is not lag related.
if i remember correctly the KALI codebase removes a lot of trash codelines from the current codebase. and in another dev blog they said that with the KALI upgrade a whole load of servers will be added. They are aware of the lag and i'am sure they are also annoyed about it that the lag bothers their customers.
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Sal Alo
Minmatar Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:58:00 -
[659]
Originally by: Solbright Hey guys, I'm saying the problem is the client program that CCP writes, not your PC.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 22:47:00 -
[660]
OK, new hardware is in (at least part of it) but last weekend was horrible. Lag was huge. Both in 0.0 and in empire. Game is unplayable now. I will take a break for a day or two I think.
CCP you should buy a lot of cheap PCs to boost improvements FAST or you will start losing customers even faster.
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supermurf
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Posted - 2006.11.06 01:37:00 -
[661]
I feel your pain... or rather the loss of TWO Megas... makes me feel your pain. Both due to server stability issues.
If this isn't fixed soon (and someone even taking the time to reply to my petitions) then I think it will be time to find something else to do with my time and money. Megas dont grow on trees.
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Frug
Caldari ViperCorp VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 03:39:00 -
[662]
Please send me your stuff when you leave.
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Diatom
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Posted - 2006.11.06 04:08:00 -
[663]
As much as I was hoping for a significant boost in performance it's just not happening. The lag is huge. Only 14k peeps on now 6 peeps in local in Komo and I can't even transfer from ship to ITEMS without lag. CCP your dog's not hunting.
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.11.06 06:46:00 -
[664]
Edited by: Blank Protection on 06/11/2006 06:46:27 Well i`ve waited till after the hardware upgrade to see if everything would run smoother but as i already expected it didnt.
So time has come for me to trough this game in the carbage. The game has to be lag free or all ships and fitting, otherweise you end just were whe all begone in a Ibis. Eve has become a Massive Online Frustration. No way im out.
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Facetious One
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Posted - 2006.11.06 15:51:00 -
[665]
Wonders if CCP is under Sony online Entertainment management?
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Deirdre Anabella
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Posted - 2006.11.06 20:37:00 -
[666]
Day by day it become worst than ever. Now i'm in Perimeter and the game lag like if a was in Jita.
15 seconds to open a window, 40 seconds to dock and then... ejected from the server. What a nice game !
I think SWG can win the Bugs Award Trophee, but now i find a game who can win the Lag Award Trophee : Eve !
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.07 08:06:00 -
[667]
PCU has been around 25-30k recently so there is no sudden surge in new players that causes extra lag. ccp introduced jump queues and still hasn't got rid of them, there is a new load balancing system that came with the new asian character content patch, there was dragon that should have brought a load of optimizations, there was a hardware upgrade last week. and all the hotfixes that we don't know of that should fix stuff.
has anything changed in the last 2 months to a degree that you can actually die due to your own bad luck? while kali - content wise - looks awesome, all those "optimizations" that are announced are really scary. are they as much of an improvement as previous "optimizations"?
a pvp game needs top notch performance. i can't play quake with 500 ping and guess where my opponent will be in 5 seconds when my weapon will actually fire. with quake i can't lose anything at least. or i just join another server.
a corp mate sent a mail yesterday that he lost a faction fitted rapier and vaga because the screen suddenly started to freeze and things got very choppy. that was not in jita, but in 0.0. it wasn't a 150 vs 150 fleet battle either.
today i almost lost my mission raven that costs like 600m to replace. that's still a cheap setup compared to others, but i'm not a full time mission runner. i'm in carebearing mode atm between campaigns so obviously i can in no way replace such a loss right now. and why should i have to anyway. there's no way i can die in a mission without lag. it was angel extra bonus stage and the 15 second freeze got me down to 5% shields it was scary as crap as incoming dps is totally sick. was lucky that rats were just starting to pew pew and not at their optimal for full damage so i made it with 30% armor left...
if performance hasn't improved to a playable level by now i don't know when that should happen tbh. new hardware? how much new hardware is necessary to fix buggy code? when is the code gonna be fixed? who knows. there's just so much stuff that needs to be looked into.
very disappointing. it's the first time in a year that i prefer to play other games instead of logging on eve.
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Sharkbait
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Posted - 2006.11.07 10:54:00 -
[668]
ok. i'm reading through all this now. so locking it til i have finished. i will also be deleting all 1 line posts that are of no use to me.
i will reopen once i have finished
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Charles Yeager
V I R I I Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:36:00 -
[669]
I am still having lots of problems that I have never seen since EvE went live. All these situations occured in 0.0 when there were 1-20 people in local:
1. Moving items from ships to hangar and vice versa takes several seconds. Sometimes the cargo indicator on the ship's hold does not update.
2. Serveral seconds for modules to activate.
3. Was killing NPCs when it became increasingly choppy until the screen froze all together. My connection was fine as I could continue to use TS with my mates without any problems. Had to kill the session and launch another one.
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Malfesa Longoten
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:48:00 -
[670]
Since this thread is back and other is locked, I want to address a couple of things:
"the thread was moved for 2 reasons. 1 there was alot of ranting in there"
So... ranting is not allowed? Are we not allowed to vent about a certain subject which we find to be important, and are having serious issues with, which is dramatically affecting our gaming experience?
"2. there was some information about the server problems i wanted to read. i wanted to clean the thread, take the info i need and then put it back. quite simple really, just time is not on my side atm."
Since when has a thread needed to me MOVED to be "cleaned"? And c'mon, did it really need to be removed for you to get information out of it (and whatever that information might be... although I still for the life of me can't possibly imagine what information you're going to pull out of a thread that is going to help you solve any of the lag problems).
I'm not going to keep working any "conspiracy" angles, but suffice it to say I find the whole idea of moving/removing the thread to be very pointless, while painting a bad picture of questionable practices regarding said "ranting".
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:06:00 -
[671]
same thing happened today again. i can't reproduce it so i can't file a bug report and i don't know what causes it. this time i was at 38% structure... the screen updated every few seconds like it was lagging so i thought hmm lag spike, but shields look fine. then i thought "no way, shields can't stay that stable". switched to alt who was shield transferring and saw i was almost at no shields. closed eve and my ship started to warp out. damage control saved my ship yet again. i love those things.
i'm pretty sure the client gets out of sync because of something like a sudden spike in cpu usage on the node or a lag spike or similar stuff. the connection certainly isn't completely broken or the server would have really closed the session earlier and not exactly when i closed eve. hope this helps.
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Yorick Downe
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:07:00 -
[672]
You know, I remember EQ2 having similar issues at one time. In that case, it turned out to be arrows - that's right, the server kept tracking fired arrows into infinity, which led to gazillions of arrows being tracked until the next reboot.
I wonder whether the EVE issue is something equally silly :)
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Daibai
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:09:00 -
[673]
I see one good thing with this laggy problem : yesterday, i have make 18 jumps in 0.0 without BMs. I'm alive !
Seriously, i think the CCP teams do the best they can to fix that problem. It's hard for us because we drop money for "playing" (hum, sorry... for "laaagaggggy pla-ay-ay-aaaayinnng Ee-vvv-ve"), but it's not good for CCP to lose customers, and i think they know that...
The biggest problem is the "rainman attitude" (hTho! Hi Dustin !) of CCP in forums... for sure.
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Arondor
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.11.09 21:12:00 -
[674]
I was going to reply to this, but realized I'd probably just get edited so the thread would be easier to read... ie. Not say anything that CCP didn't want said
/me is truly dissapointed
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.09 21:51:00 -
[675]
An attempt to categorise the major problems in this thread. I'll pick Mr Yeager's comments to make my point clearer:
Originally by: Charles Yeager 1. Moving items from ships to hangar and vice versa takes several seconds. Sometimes the cargo indicator on the ship's hold does not update.
2. Serveral seconds for modules to activate.
Issues are lag, loss of sync and server stutters. When I say "server" here I'm refering to the Eve suite of programs that run on the various clusters, not the hardware itself. Loss of sync only becomes apparent later when a single item, or group, is obviously out of place. All three listed causes here can be rolled into one label of lag from the client's point of view.
Quote: 3. Was killing NPCs when it became increasingly choppy until the screen froze all together. My connection was fine as I could continue to use TS with my mates without any problems. Had to kill the session and launch another one.
Issues are client stutter and client bugs. When I say "client" here I'm talking about the Eve program running on your PC, not the PC itself.
I distinguish stutter from bugs because bugs are the result of wrong behaviour at the microscopic level whereas stuttering is a feature of the software engineering approach at the macroscopic level.
All fixes are programming fixes. Existing hardware, at both ends, is way more powerful than needed.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.09 22:02:00 -
[676]
Originally by: Nymos ...this time i was at 38% structure... the screen updated every few seconds like it was lagging so i thought hmm lag spike, but shields look fine. then i thought "no way, shields can't stay that stable". switched to alt who was shield transferring and saw i was almost at no shields.
Excellent proof of a bug that is very old now. I suspect it's another form of the loss-of-sync bug that affects things like overview.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.11.10 07:33:00 -
[677]
Edited by: Akira Ito on 10/11/2006 07:40:39 mr. Solbright is well known fanboy and has proven his knowledge of software architecture too deeply and too often to take his words seriously.
btw, i'm ok with lag for now - just sitting in the station, training 16+ days skills and kinda happy. but this "thread removal for obtaining information" b*llsh!t is really p!ssing me off. CCP guys (yes, Sharkbait, i mean you) thinks we're idiots, arent they (aren't you, SB)? __________ Fanboys' lack of logic leads to excessive excitement causing endorphines influx causing shortage of brain oxygen supply leading to severe brain damage and further logic malfunctioning. |
hatchette
Caldari Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.10 10:40:00 -
[678]
What lag?
I'm back to eve after almost 2 years and i can guarantee you that lag is actually much more bearable than it was two years ago. Sure you get lag in huge-scale war, but even that is much better than it was. (We used to have 1minute lag in small 'fleet' fights of 15 vs 15... now you get that in 80 vs 80).
I'm not saying that TQ runs perfect... but claiming it's worse than it used to be is totally ignorant. TQ crashed 10 times a day 2 years ago and it was pretty much impossible to play.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:05:00 -
[679]
Originally by: hatchette Sure you get lag in huge-scale war, but even that is much better than it was. (We used to have 1minute lag in small 'fleet' fights of 15 vs 15... now you get that in 80 vs 80).
Well, lvl 4 missions like "Kill the informant" or "Hand of Zazzmataz" must be a HUGE scale wars then...
Cuz they're laggy as hell. I just cant see/press/do anything. Warpin. LAAAAAAG. Ooops, I'm in a pod.
Okay, maybe they were twice laggy 2yrs ago, but I dont care if I'm dead because of 2min lag instead of 4min lag...
__________ Fanboys' lack of logic leads to excessive excitement causing endorphines influx causing shortage of brain oxygen supply leading to severe brain damage and further logic malfunctioning. |
Sargeant HAmmer
Caldari Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:37:00 -
[680]
Quote: All fixes are programming fixes. Existing hardware, at both ends, is way more powerful than needed.
So,
Why dont they fix it!!
If its as quick as a software fix then get it done. I'm happy enough to put up with the lag as my pc's from years ago have never been able to cope with games i play so 5 - 10 fps is always good, anything higher is a bonus. It's when the client tells the server to do something and the server says hang on a mo im dealing with something here. You press the button again and it says an attempt is already underway blah blah blah. So why does the server need to do this. If the server did what u said client lag would be all good in my point of view. I've warped on the client a nice distance of 25 au then the server said hang on a sec i havent said go yet and puts you back to the begining. Thats server lag. The hardware is adequate and can cope with this game no probs both ends. It can also cope with 25k + players. the issue is the programs that do all the work, surely they can harness some more power to do their dirty work (and im not talking about adding hardware) my pc could probably run the eve server software and get 10 connections with standard lag due to slow internet connection just to show a point. i think the client needs to do more work than the server for position reporting and movement giving less lag.
another rant :p
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:41:00 -
[681]
Originally by: Sharkbait back now.
Good thing to place the original thread back. Now the original gameplay what means a "LAG" free Eve.
Please.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:59:00 -
[682]
Originally by: Sargeant HAmmer
Quote: All fixes are programming fixes. Existing hardware, at both ends, is way more powerful than needed.
So,
Why dont they fix it!!
If its as quick as a software fix then get it done.
That's the hardest and most time comsuming part when it's this far out of control is why. Especially when it requires a re-education component. ;) It'll either be fixed or Eve will die. :(
Quote: I'm happy enough to put up with the lag as my pc's from years ago have never been able to cope with games i play so 5 - 10 fps is always good, anything higher is a bonus.
That is not lag, lag does not affect framerate.
Quote: It's when the client tells the server to do something and the server says hang on a mo im dealing with something here. You press the button again and it says an attempt is already underway blah blah blah. So why does the server need to do this. If the server did what u said client lag would be all good in my point of view. I've warped on the client a nice distance of 25 au then the server said hang on a sec i havent said go yet and puts you back to the begining. Thats server lag.
That is lag, period. Server lag is meaningless.
Quote: The hardware is adequate and can cope with this game no probs both ends. It can also cope with 25k + players. the issue is the programs that do all the work, surely they can harness some more power to do their dirty work (and im not talking about adding hardware) my pc could probably run the eve server software and get 10 connections with standard lag due to slow internet connection just to show a point. i think the client needs to do more work than the server for position reporting and movement giving less lag.
The client is already spliting at the seams causing it's fair share of the headaches. You are wanting even more stutters and even lower framerate?
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Phoenixhawk
Caldari Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.11.12 02:24:00 -
[683]
Ok well the good news is at least we know someone bother to take a look at this, the bad news is were being censored
My question of the day, anyone else notice the numbers online seemed to have dropped by a couple thousand users at any given time, compared to before the patch that started this mess? Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six!
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DHorner
Caldari Scout And Mining inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 09:20:00 -
[684]
My favorite lag scenario has become the "warping while still taking damage". This has happened to me three times now over the last several weeks while running Lvl4 missions. My shields on the Raven start getting a little to low for comfort so I warp out to make it safe because I never know when the nice "sync" problem will hit and my shield instantly goes from 25% to only 50% armour left. So I hit warp and warp fairly quick because I am aligned and at full speed. I get "Warp drive active" and speed indicator shows full warp, the blurry warps tunnel shows, the NPC rats disappear in the distance and off overview, but I am still taking damage. These are some serious new weapons the NPC's have, lol. The whole time I am in warp I am taking hits from everything (missiles, turrets, laser, etc). Just as I am coming out of warp my Raven blows up and I end up in my pod by the gate/station I warped to and my cargo container setting near. I want some of those weapons for sure. How do I take damage while at warp speed traveling across an entire solar system and the npc's are not even on the overview anymore. And then end up in my Pod, not in the deadspace area, but at my warp destination with my cargo container of what's left of my fittings. Pathetic is the only word that comes to mind. On top of that I don't even bother to petition anymore because that system has become a joke also. Luckily I have enough ISK to replace my loss but I really feel for the players who don't and have to wait and see if they are one of the lucky ones that the petition system actually works for. Kind of like playing craps but I prefer my odds at that table better than with CCP.
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Rybeck
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Posted - 2006.11.12 12:00:00 -
[685]
Everything to do with the game, on every level, has become a joke.
I'll be cancelling both my accounts as soon as i've sold up all my gear and passed the cash on to the people i know who unfortunately are stupid enough to believe this will get any better.
Shame that such a great game has been let down so badly be the people who own it.
Anyone want to place some bets on how long it'll be before this post is censored?
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.11.12 16:26:00 -
[686]
I'm at the end too I think.
I just love the reimbursement judgements.
"Our logs say nothing abnormal, therefore you are a dirty filthy liar"
How about this? I'm not a dirty filthy liar, it's just that Eve now sucks a lot. Let me know when I can double click in space again and you've replaced my two 5 minute old Ferox's.
I swear you only did it on purpose once I'd registered the second account. I can only hope somebody launches a viable competing product before I get bored of Guild Wars again.
No you can't have my stuff, and apparently neither can I.
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maria stallion
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 17:01:00 -
[687]
The hardware upgrade and the connection upgrade have caused more problems then solved from the looks of it.
would be nice if CCP lets us know if they are working on it, especially for the people for who eve became unplayable for 12 days in a row now....
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Borasao
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Posted - 2006.11.12 18:43:00 -
[688]
Nothing has really changed. I'm still getting movement rewinds and queueing to the point of the queue timing out and having to requeue at some jump gates. Having any sort of combat is almost out of the question now.
This isn't just issues on another continent, no less than four guys we know who all live less than one hour's drive from the Eve servers have the same issues.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.12 20:34:00 -
[689]
The packet loss problem is local to London it seems from reports, including CCP themselves trying to solve it. Everyone is suffering.
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Angel Vengen
Caldari Caldar Mercenary Syndicate Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:36:00 -
[690]
Edited by: Angel Vengen on 13/11/2006 06:38:25 /signed /bumped
Well To be brutally honest, I never had much of a problem with lag in a high user system, even Jita, and now In 0.0 I have no problem, but yet I have seen local in empire crawling with Lag. Its hard to say things like "avoid laggy systems" like Jita, since it is proabably the largest trade hub in game... And allthough I said I never had much problem with lag, there have been several times were I have had big problems, just not all around... like I lost a cerb(read, overpriced uninsurable ship due to greedy people) to sentry guns, even tho i was aligned and moving at speed to a celestial object and clicked "warp to" right after my first volley launched since I was hit by sentry guns, after tearing through incredibly high resistance shield, and my armour and **** near all my structure, my client showed me warping away with 30 hp left on my hull... I was so upset, yet happy my ship survived... while in warp all of a sudden my ship dissapeared and i was warping now in my pod .. so I petitioned it, and the response I got was "sorry we cant help you, hope you recover from this loss swiftly"... I mean come on, Losing a ship while in warp!?... anyway, this had happened recently, maybe 2 weeks ago... took a week alone to get a response to my petition. The lag has yet to be fixed even with the hardware updates. They are talking about adding more hardware soon, and expecting Revalations to come out within a month! I personally agree with both the OP and the rest of the 22 PAGES of response... it needs to be worked on now, before the release of yet more content.
Originally by: Nyxus Yes but the Apoc is kind of like a mullet - business in the front, party in the back.
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Chienka
Ends of Invention
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:52:00 -
[691]
Well, Ive turned to different occupations in order to make money in EVE. Not what I wouldve liked but it left me very little choice. Now im given two options. Steal ingame stuff from other people, or quit the game. My subscription is still on for another 3 months, and I presume Kali will be out within that 3 months. Kali will be the deciding point for me, given that the lag dosnt get worse.
I would like to hear something from CCP. Can you find where the problem is? Can you tell us ANYTHING?
(In the few minutes it took me to write this short message, the cargo expanders im trying to fit on my indy still havnt appeared in the lowslots.)
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Zeko Rena
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Posted - 2006.11.14 01:59:00 -
[692]
Ive given up with my agent in Kusomononon or whatever its called, i have to close the client 3-4 tims in every mission because it just lags up and never unlags, now i have no good safe space agents to work for, and i cant expand my lp with that agent *sigh* back to boring mining to bring in the isk
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DHorner
Caldari Scout And Mining inc
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:56:00 -
[693]
Edited by: DHorner on 14/11/2006 03:57:17 "Our logs say nothing abnormal, therefore you are a dirty filthy liar"
"sorry we cant help you, hope you recover from this loss swiftly"...
Ah, the wonderful customer support system we have for our beloved game. I have lost several T2 fitted Ravens and don't even bother to petition. It really pi**** me off when I lose a ship to lag but nothing compared to waiting forever for a petition answer only to find the obligatory "sorry, there was no lag according to our records". I have a 10mb/1mb connection, Athlon X2-4800, 2gb Ram, 7900GTX, and 2 Raptors running raid0. Obviously the problem is with my rig or connection but definately not with CCP. Oh, and just ignore the previous 22 pages also.
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.11.14 05:48:00 -
[694]
Originally by: Gaven Blands I'm at the end too I think.
"Our logs say nothing abnormal, therefore you are a dirty filthy liar"
Hahahahahahah, o man this is first class laggy humor,real CCP stuff. Almost ****ing in my pants after reading this.
Sounds like just s.t.f.u and pay and play.
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Bodziu
Gallente No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:37:00 -
[695]
Edited by: Bodziu on 14/11/2006 09:40:06 Edited by: Bodziu on 14/11/2006 09:39:11 Edited by: Bodziu on 14/11/2006 09:37:33 Im signed that game going in bad way. server are unstable big fleet engagment ends always a node crash and 200+ peoples get booted from server. Now i decide made L4 missions in Dodixie and there is around 150 peoples in local every night that made missions is very hard that time. All items need 10-15 sec activation time shield booster after choose turn off it still boosting and only turn off when your cap is empty. I would like congratulations CCP that you patch after patch screw up this beatifull game. My character are 2,5 years old I play this game 2 years and from that time i see nothing better going with server stability and playable game. You would like made maybe more agents with the same quality in random sectors that peoples can split if you cant handle 150+ peoples in 1 sector and game cant be playable. Answers like go find another sector who have lower number of playrs is not resolve problems :( I was in 0.0 more then 1 year and that not resolve problems with lags beacause 0.0 nodes handle some empire sectors too. Please CCP go and do something other way old players will leak from game. :(
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.11.14 11:36:00 -
[696]
Now I'm being told that if I keep insisting on an SGM looking at my petition I may receive an Official Warning for wasting SGM's time.
Oh no. An Official Warning you say?
Golly gosh. Whatever would I do?
So basically, if I want to complain about the service I receive from a supplier I can apparently receive Official Warnings for doing so?
That's just so laughable.
Well, here's my take. If I knew the home phone number of the Head of CCP himself, I would care two hoots about ringing him/her at 2am to voice my complaint and if CCP want to issue me with an Official Warning for that, so be it. In fact considering the escalation, shouldn't CCP be threatening to break my knees if I waste "Head of CCP"'s time with my little complaint?
My customers give me hell when I screw up, and I have to appreciate that and deal with it. Just what makes CCP think they're so special I have absolutely no clue. Apart from them making money hand over fist, and my two account don't really mean jack to them... quite how they managed to take timeout from rolling around in money to hold a FanFest is amazing. (I suspect that the CCP Officials were all hired actors anyway, can you imagine what would have happened to those Dev's if I'd shown up there???)
The best bit is, I'm not addicted to Eve. It's good stuff when it's working correctly, but when it screws up and costs you a few days of your real finite life for no good reason, it is time to start assessing whether it really is worth it.
And CCP may consider that to be my Official Warning to them, they'll file it under "B" just like I'll it under "B" when they issue me with one.
We're going to part ways because we're both arrogant and stubborn. Nobody gets hurt though, so it's all good.
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Rybeck
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:43:00 -
[697]
f***ing brilliant. It takes me 17 minutes to actually log into the game, and then we get this:
"Server crashed due to a database failover. The crash is unrelated to the patch."
What a pile of sh*te... and why do they feel the need to say it has nothing to do with the patch? Who bloody cares why it's crashed, the point is IT'S BLOODY CRASHED AGAIN!!
All i want to do is sell off my gear, give the cash to a couple of friends who rather foolishly believe this might actually get better at some point, and cancel my bloody subscription.
I can't even do that....
At least it's a good solid reminder of why i'm leaving this poor excuse of a company
I just can't get over how such a fantastic game can be in the hands of such a p*ss poor excuse of a company as CCP. Did they steal the game from someone else???
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Cass Tykkion
Gallente Cult of the Pony
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:56:00 -
[698]
I don't see why everybody is so ****ed. When I activate boosters or send out drones, they work instantly.
And about the crash. It happens to every game. Ever played WoW? On maintenance days the servers don't come up for 12 hours or more. There is lag too.
I just think you curse at them too much. Although they could lower the cost of the game and the game cards. It will attract more people.
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KeepItSimple
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:04:00 -
[699]
No worries guys, we will soon be able to play EVE with cards offline.
No server crashes, no connection problems, no lag. Enjoy
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Saphora
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:33:00 -
[700]
Edited by: Saphora on 14/11/2006 16:35:25 [This is actually Rybeck. Stupid forum always seems to post using the opposite char that i want. Yes, i know i should check each time...]
Cass, i've been playing MMORPG's for a fair while now, and i'm well aware of the issues these companies suffer from.
My problem is this particular companies attitude to it's customers and the issues we face, the intensity of the server lag, and the regularity of the server crashes (DESPITE daily maintenace down time).
And Keep, though i believe your comment was light-hearted (and it did bring a smirk to my face ), i wouldn't give this company a single penny more of my money if the life of me and my entire family depended on it!
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Grelis
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:21:00 -
[701]
gotta love keepitsimples response Grelis - Super Fantastic |
Azeria L'Mante
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:00:00 -
[702]
Quote: It's when the client tells the server to do something and the server says hang on a mo im dealing with something here. You press the button again and it says an attempt is already underway blah blah blah. So why does the server need to do this. If the server did what u said client lag would be all good in my point of view. I've warped on the client a nice distance of 25 au then the server said hang on a sec i havent said go yet and puts you back to the begining. Thats server lag.
So true, I lost my Brutix and local hulls, luckly they were npc loot, so the pain isn't that much, but still I would have liked to sell them for that 120 mill. I didn't bother sending a petition because last time I sent a "lag" petition I got called a liar too.
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Konrad Wachsmann
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Konrad Wachsmann on 14/11/2006 19:17:46 How typical, 4 failed patch download attempts, 5th it works....installs...maybe this may work this time...logg....loggggg......login, whats this? Exclaimation points for my character picture, 1 sec later the window closes. Quote: Connection to server lost.
****! Lets try again... version of game incompatible...download-blah blah blah. But wait didn't I just install the update, after looking the folder it appears I didn't.
Quote: ------------------------------------------------------------
Gamelog Session started: 2006.11.14 17:35:47
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[ 2006.11.14 17:35:55 ] (info) Please enter a valid Password [ 2006.11.14 17:36:11 ] (question) There is a new build available. Would you like to download it now?<br>The build is 5.6 MB in size. [ 2006.11.14 17:36:29 ] (info) Incompatible (Build) [ 2006.11.14 17:37:08 ] (question) The patch was downloaded but it failed verification indicating that the file is corrupt. Would you like to download the file again? <br><br>You will not able to enter the game until you download the patch. [ 2006.11.14 18:00:31 ] (question) The patch was downloaded but it failed verification indicating that the file is corrupt. Would you like to download the file again? <br><br>You will not able to enter the game until you download the patch. [ 2006.11.14 18:22:15 ] (question) Why haven't you just QUIT EVE yet?
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KeepItSimple
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:42:00 -
[704]
Quote: And Keep, though i believe your comment was light-hearted (and it did bring a smirk to my face), i wouldn't give this company a single penny more of my money if the life of me and my entire family depended on it!
You know, the lag situation makes me ****ed as well. I just can't be angry allways, even if I try hard.
And I still dream of lag free fleet fights, smooth jumping trough gates and being able to use sound and high resolution on my 4,000$ computer. I know those days will never come, but the dream is nice. Somehow I think it is - or at least was - CCP's dream as well.
The game is cribbled as it is now and have been for many months. And I am still here. To me it tells a story of a game build on a great idea with a huge potential. Too bad if it has to go down the drain.
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Max Torps
Gallente Research Associates
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Posted - 2006.11.14 23:43:00 -
[705]
Hmmm
I don't know about you guys but since yesterday's patch everything appears to be substantially improved. For me at least - what about you?
Packet loss on a traceroute to the server is nil. Lag appears ok.
Thoughts?
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Enkilil
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Posted - 2006.11.15 02:02:00 -
[706]
Originally by: Max Torps Hmmm
I don't know about you guys but since yesterday's patch everything appears to be substantially improved. For me at least - what about you?
Packet loss on a traceroute to the server is nil. Lag appears ok.
Thoughts?
Thoughts? yes. It's a coincidence. The patch was an improvement to the autopatcher and nothing else (yeah, a patch so that we can download even BIGGER patches... what does that tell you?).
Sorry m8, it's not improved, it still deep-throats the tower of babel in a big big way. But, looking at the bright side, when the next uber-CCP-Screw-it-all-up-again update happens, we'll be able to patch it more efficiently, if and when a patch becomes available.
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Stormlord Battleforce
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Posted - 2006.11.15 04:30:00 -
[707]
Edited by: Dark Motoko on 15/11/2006 04:31:58 Edited by: Dark Motoko on 15/11/2006 04:30:43 *OP nods in the direction of the veritable army of posters to this thread*
Well, it's been two months since I looked at this thread of mine. Back then it was up to page 7 or so and going strong. I frankly can't believe the extent it's gotten to. When are CCP going to realise that this issue needs fixing before new content is added?
I haven't been playing eve much to be honest, losing a billion fitted Scorpion to a few guristas battlecruisers in a collosal lag burst in Aramachi put me off a touch...even though I did get her back, the point was still there. This game isn't really stable enough to play, especially considering the amount we pay for it.
I noticed as others have, that the new patch does nothing except paves the way for new, bigger patches - not meaning code updates and vital fixes, but instead big dollops of new content - which will inherently have it's own bugs on its addition. It's not like I even need to ask the question, but I will anyway; isn't the situation bad enough already?
So, on the eve of yet more content patches, I re-iterate my original protest to CCP, made in the first post of this now epic thread. Fix the errors and lag in this game before you add ANY new content. You have enough players giving up and unsubscribing as it is. Frankly, I'm not far from joining them.
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.11.15 05:58:00 -
[708]
Daily online Eve players already dropped from 30.000 under 23.000, today during my nightshift not more than 15.000 players online for more than 12 hours. An thats going on already for more than 2 weeks now. I`m sure a lot of players already stopped because of the fact the gameplay is messed up totally. So they can call us Dirty Filthy Liars but they are loosing subscribers fast now thats for sure.
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Hornious1
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Posted - 2006.11.15 07:11:00 -
[709]
Well, I have lost many an item due to the lag and never bothered to petition because I couldn't handle being called a liar on top of the loss. Tonight I received a quality industrial character added to my account that I purchased from a friend. Only an hour into moving his assets to one location I get podded in a .4 system because I can't get the gate to activate while the screen stutters mercilessly. I was there picking up four very important BPO's fresh out of research to ME125. I was aware of the risk but once within 2500m of the gate I should be home free. This one will be petitioned because I just can't replace these items with more ISK. This all taking place in a system with a whopping total of 3 people in local.
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.15 08:23:00 -
[710]
Everytime CCP says they are doing something that improves EVE, more pages are added. I live in Molden Heath and the lag here is unbearable on the weekends. Corpie losses his machariel to npc's just like the original poster. CCP can't find logs of the lag. Then GM's fly through on a Monday and say, "Oh, it's fine here, stop *****ing."... well, it's a Monday, not too much traffic on the server.
Also, thanks for the test server that takes 2 hours to try to get into only to find out once I finally am able to connect that my account is inactive. Reading a GM's comments that he'll probably ban anyone who gives him crap for the problem is just the kind of customer service players like for their money.
I particularly like this most recent build release, lets me download even larger patches faster... wtf? How about putting in a build that minimizes lag so I'm not shot at by npc's at 500000km or stuck at a gate due to traffic advisories while others jump though without a problem.
Judging by everyone elses posts, Please get the servers running smooth before new content is released. No amount of bells, whistles, and new gear is going to convince people to play crap. This should be apparent by the decreased numbers online. People are fed up with the lag.
BTW, really getting sick of eve clugging up to 500k-1000k mem usage while EVE hiccups every 20s. Fix the **** memory leaks already.
AMD 3800+ Dual Core OCZ Ram: 2GB Dual Channel Kit PN- OCZ4002048PFDC-K PCI-E E-GeForce 7900GT (EVGA brand) 256mb ram, SLI ready 250GB Sata HD -fast ass HD Gigabyte K8 Triton, nForce 4 sli series. Comcast Cable rated at 5Mbps UL, 1Mbps DL. I'm in the USA, Pacific Coast. 1 Eve Client on Cpu 0, not too active. 1 Eve Client on Cpu 1, above normal priority.
Don't tell me the lag is my problem or that you don't have logs for it. We have logs for everything that happens, why don't you? THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Anticasper
Gallente Atlas Incorporated Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:12:00 -
[711]
Edited by: Anticasper on 15/11/2006 11:12:01 It seems like this is becomming an on-going problem.
The last time we had a patch installed I couldn't log on properly for days. I spent 3 hours at one point trying to log on, only to get annoyed when it froze at 'Authenticating' or 'Entering game as (either of my 2 accounts)'.
Sound like a broken record?
You should know what the problem is then?
After much searching of the forums, and people complaining of the exact problem, all we get is... 'clear your cache'. After clearing my cache, there is no improvement. So the official CCP response is, check your hardware and connection.
Another rant about customer service, the other day I self destructed my pod to travel 40 jumps into empire. Firstly, yes my clone was up to date, it held about 5.5m SP, and I only have 3.6 SP on that alt. When I get to my destination, I buy a new clone, and try to jump into an Iteron V, to find out I've lost my 'Gallente Industrial V'.
Luckily, I was on level IV, and only 10 hours from V. But is that the point? I made a petition, and about 10 days later (after I had forgotten about the incident) I get told, sorry but your petition for a new ship is unauthorised due to the fact that you self destructed your own pod.
Thanks. Very useful.
I dont want to complain. I dont even care that I'm a paying customer, and this is a business for you guys, and should customer service not be a priority in this age?
I just want to play Eve. I just want to be able to play without silly problems. I dont want to have to complain. But at the moment, I'm paying for something I can't actually use.
Please do something about the log-in, in-game lag. And we will all stop complaining.
Other than that. Eve is a great game. I love it. It rules over games like WoW. Please keep up the good work on the design side.
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RotatoR
Star Kingdom of Manticore Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.15 14:50:00 -
[712]
Edited by: RotatoR on 15/11/2006 14:51:19 My point of view: I am playing Eve almost 2 years. After initial CTDs and BSODs I installed secondary clean XP on my machine and problems were solved. Most of time I am in not so overcrowded places. Sometimes I have little lag, maybe 3-4 secs to activate buttons or move items to cargo. This is not a cause when I am in fleet ops. When the lag gets worse, I am enjoying my RL. I had almost no problems to login on my account. Before Eve, I was spending my time with Unreal Tournament. Its hard to compare this games but I found Eve is still relelatively low lag game for me. Thats all folks.
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Babbadobba
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Posted - 2006.11.16 09:31:00 -
[713]
My nooby experiences
I'm a noob been here 2 weeks, the lag for me at times has been very annoying 5-10 second delay activating modules or not activating at all after I click, you don't realise straight away and then its like hey why aren't my guns firing. this cost me two ships which as a nooby is well expensive. Now in combat I play expecting a delay of 5 seconds especially if I may need to escape. I very nearly didn't get a subscription after the trial because of this as I could imagine the frustration when I have invested time in making a great player only to have the lag get worse and spoil the experience. Come on CCP you got a great game but you need to do something really clever, hell I can't see how to make it perfect when you could have 40-50 people in the same system but from all over the world, there has to be some issues with sycronizing the data.
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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2006.11.16 09:47:00 -
[714]
missions are undoable from 20:00 GMT Weekdays and kinda all of Sunday and Saturday.
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Ryan Scouse'UK
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Posted - 2006.11.16 13:59:00 -
[715]
I dont know what you guys are moanin about ... I am from the UK & when am online at 4am - 8am there is no lag in any of the systems Dodix .. 30 players.. aunia 40 players.. Arraron etc :P
It runs oo o so Smooth !! hehe ! =P
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Sabine Borgia
Amarr Antares Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:52:00 -
[716]
ok heres a hint after all stuff tried out from forum and geting probs with pc i did a renegade move i bought a new 550 named powerunit and look!! in space im at 80 fps now from 35!!! i check my old powerunit and saw it was 350 and the 12v line had just 10 ampere my new has for 35a for the 12v line and so far it runs seems my grafik card just wasn geting nuff juice to run with full power.. so my advice check you powerunit it might be to weak for your pc and eve
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Sabine Borgia
Amarr Antares Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:49:00 -
[717]
Originally by: Sabine Borgia ok heres a hint after all stuff tried out from forum and geting probs with pc i did a renegade move i bought a new 550 named powerunit and look!! in space im at 80 fps now from 35!!! i check my old powerunit and saw it was 350 and the 12v line had just 10 ampere my new has for 35a for the 12v line and so far it runs seems my grafik card just wasn geting nuff juice to run with full power.. so my advice check you powerunit it might be to weak for your pc and eve
forget it same ******* **** again my pc is crashing complete when eve is running its the 3 time now in 3 days... and it startet after eve patch.....
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:31:00 -
[718]
Edited by: Sylthi on 16/11/2006 23:36:37
Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK I dont know what you guys are moanin about ... I am from the UK & when am online at 4am - 8am there is no lag in any of the systems Dodix .. 30 players.. aunia 40 players.. Arraron etc :P
It runs oo o so Smooth !! hehe ! =P
Must be nice to live a stone's throw away from the servers. That COULD have something to do with your lack of lag, m'kay?
Anyway, took a couple of weeks off to play NWN2, and I get back and the game is still the rotten-pile-of-node-crashing-money-pit-lagging-bug-ridden-graphic-glitching-can't-have-a-fleet-battle-evil-customer-service-technical-no-help that it was when I left. Did I really expect it to change? Not really. CCP has now gone far and above PROVING to me they don't give a crap what players like me think or say, (except when they censor comments that will warn off future players) or even do with our money. They have PROVEN they don't CARE whether old players go, because THEY view they can always pick up new ones on special at the local corner store. The modern economy and viscous competition just MAY prove them wrong someday. The CCP and now WW corp execs seem to be dinning with champaign every night in the upper floor offices, must be nice. But down here in the trenches there is nothing but blood, misery, and a lot of OUR wasted money going to pay for their merger parties.
I watched the recorded feeds from fan fest, and I didn't see too many people bringing up the fact of the crappy state the game is in. One or two kinda HINTED at it, but that was it. Did that stuff just get censored like everything else that is "negative", or did none of the people who went to fanfest vent like the responsible customers they SHOULD have been? I am really and truly interested. I would have gone myself, but I wasn't ABOUT to waste another $1000 to get there, then my vacation time, just to tell them what they already know about their game sucking. If I had given them the piece of my mind they DESERVE, I would have just been escorted from the building by security anyway, so it would have been a total waste of money. Oh yes, they know what state the game is in, they just don't CARE enough to do anything about it in any shade of a reasonable time frame. If someone who was there can speak to what happened to people complaining (or not) during open question sessions at FF in this thread, I would appreciate it.
Well, 5 accounts for me are now down to 1. Not that CCP cares. But, just for the record. I'll keep posting and keeping up my civic duty of letting people who are ripping us off know that they are not getting away with it. You guys stay frosty out there, and I'll check in again soon. Meaning actually soon, not CCP's version of SOONtm, which translates to NEVER. Cheers all except the people who aren't fixing the game!
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Stormlord Battleforce
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Posted - 2006.11.17 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Motoko on 17/11/2006 03:03:21 I think I should apologise for my somewhat repetitive post made a day or two ago on this page, having just now read certain entries in the Dev Blog, dated from a few weeks ago - I'd been away for a couple months - I should have checked there first before simply reading these posts and renewing the heat in here.
Oveur stated that whereas another 10 nodes were recently added to the 102 node cluster in Tranquility along with further equipment to improve the system's performance, yet more are on the way for mid November - indeed he states the then 112 node cluster will be reinforced by no less than 56 new nodes, provided by 28 new blade servers. Impressive indeed.
He also goes on to state that public testing of Kali was delayed purely to test code fixes and that Kali itself contains a huge expanse of new fixes that simply couldn't be implemented into the system as it currently stands.
Another entry on the 6th stated that a previously unmentioned important fix in Kali will be changes for the way the overview updates, hopefully solving a good few system freezing problems. I don't know about you, but that's cost me a Raven once or twice in fleet battles, so that's good to hear.
I have to say, this is just what I've been praying CCP would finally deliver and I thank them for responding to our cries for help. I now look forward to seeing the server effectively reborn anew over the next month or two with Kali. Hopefully, I shouldn't need to make a post in this thread again.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.11.18 09:13:00 -
[720]
Edited by: Sylthi on 18/11/2006 09:14:52 I have played extensively to see if the latest round of hardware additions made any difference. I will never say "good job" because it was ridiculous that things were let slide as FAR as they did for as LONG as they did in the first place. So, no "thank yous" or "good jobs" are deserved or earned. Especially not after the disgrace the last 3 months have been. After all, the return of service is entirely self-serving on the part of CCP. I.E. They want to keep their jobs so they finally had to get off their collective asses and do something.
Yes, gentle fellow community members, if you can tell where I am going with this, I did see marked improvements in performance across the board today. Now that I have said that, I want to quantify it. I saw performance improvements, yes. BUT, we are NOT back to where we were BEFORE Dragon yet. We are also NOT back to acceptable performance standards for what we are paying yet. But, yes, the new IBM blade centers SEEMED to have helped considerably. Dropped connections were a lot less, and massive lag spikes (while still preasant) were down as well. In short, the game has become reasonably PLAYABLE again. WeÆre not where we were or SHOULD be now, but the new equipment SEEMS to be a step in the right directionàà.. FINALLY. ItÆs about freaking time. Anyway, I am eager to hear if any of you all had similar pleasant surprises when you logged on with the new equipment running. Please chime in.
Graphics FPS are still in the sewer. The overall graphics situation and the dev reported "graphical slowdown involving the station models" still need to be looked into poste haste. Also the MASSIVE graphic fps slowdown during large fleet battles, PvP or PvE, needs to be addressed still. I expected and saw no improvement there as this was not a software fix.
So, I have to say that I am cautiously optimistic for the first time in months. The server performance was up today, at least for me. We will see if this trend continues. Who knows, maybe CCP FINALLY started feeling the financial pinch of all the people leaving and the managers got off their asses and actually did some WORK rather than have new hardware and merger parties all the time. We'll see, and I'll check back in to report my continued service status. Please, all of you chime in as well. This thread has been falling a bit low in the forum of late. Cheers!
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Shinzann
Beast Cat Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.19 02:44:00 -
[721]
My 2 cents...
Before this latest patch to let us choke down bigger patches: Connection to server was mostly stable (except on Sundays).
After this patch: If I can undock, fly to another station in the same system and dock without getting disconnected at least once, I'm very very lucky.
New server nodes improving performance? Maybe
Still getting routed through that POS router aa-0-0.bbr1.London1.Level3.net that triples my lag time per hop? No longer humourous.
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Phoenixhawk
Caldari Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.11.19 19:12:00 -
[722]
Sisi was reverted back to Draggon, so my guess is the next patch is going to be almost as craptastic as Draggon, lol
I read about the new Yarrware again, but still not seeing any improvement in my part of the world, anyone else noticing anything? Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six!
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Ganaar
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Posted - 2006.11.22 04:02:00 -
[723]
Try playing the game with no email, agents or chat...all while disconnecting every 2-3 minutes. It's like playing a beta version of Myst! Fifteen U$ a month? I don't think so...
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Zeroskills
Bad Karma.
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Posted - 2006.11.23 03:03:00 -
[724]
I fly a tackler Stiletto (fitted with a 20km scrambler and speed mods in the lows) for my corp.
Module and navigation inputs lag by at least 2,000ms, regardless of region and number in local. It often takes 5,000ms or longer to respond. I frequently rubberband on warp-in losing anywhere from 5,000ms to 10,000ms. On losing my ship, the session change takes several seconds. This is "normal".
This destroys my survivability. 2,000ms can mean the difference between life and death. At 5,000ms, I may as well pod myself. It frusterates me that I need to rely on GM reimbursements to fix what the server performance breaks. I also don't like spending 1/2 my playtime reequiping and catching up with my corp.
"Warp-in on insta... rubberband... client syncronizes... already webbed and at 1/2 armor... die"
"Enemy ship appears at 5km on overview... click to align... one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand, three-one-thousand... client responds... webbed/scrammed... die."
"Oh no! Going into hull... select celestial... spam 'Warp To" button... ship pops... one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand, three-one-thousand... now in pod... still spaming 'Warp To" button... one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand, three-one-thousand... podded."
"Hostile sniper on destination gate... warp-to insta-jump BM... turn on autopilot en route to eliminate possibility of human error... come out of warp... one-one-thousand... hostile sniper starts locking... two-one-thousand... /me thinks "this is taking too long"... three-one-thousand, four-one-thousand... die."
I get 80ms response time when I ping the EVE game server. I should not be two to ten seconds to respond to my inputs.
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Yoshi Takeda
Caldari YoshiEmoo
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Posted - 2006.11.23 04:54:00 -
[725]
Immense Lag in Mission ya, this is not good specially if it's lvl 4 missions and only 3 players + my Team in space.
Was testing a mission of late in Apanake very few players in system as usual cos my corp mate and myself wanted to test some fittings on our little BSs and took Mission as team which isn't usually a problem.
What is striking though when entering as gang even if attacking same groups (Mission was Pirate Invation Deadspace one) all got mad at us at once - ok - might be so if you enter as gang so we got beaten up severly Our Amps, Hardeners and Booster working and running hot, our Repair drones working like hell and still struggling to align for warp we both got nice slideshows at 0.5 fps thes ships not turning notable at all. Cruise Disrupters Frigs and webber tackling us. Dont mention selecting and targeting ....sooo slow till the modules even reacted.
and after a few seconds all was over and out. and we unhappily and disgusted podded home.
Mate said he did mission solo with several warp ins and outs.
Observeration on the lag: usually happens when going on teams if theres lots of these funny skeleton rocks or funny stations around several nebulae and lots of opposing force.
There's definitly something that needs to be done.
We didn't have it that often that both ships got lost or a ship lost at all (this was the worst case) But we get the lag most of times despite being on good connections 6Mbit DSL and 2Mbit DSL with very decent ping times to the server and when ratting or flying around in same system having no problem at all with lag only sometimes when switching systems but session changes can take a bit.
Doing missions solo is very seldom a lagging problem.
So please do something about these lags. And check the mission code - that all attack at once just doesnt seem right.
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Jack Creme
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Posted - 2006.11.23 08:46:00 -
[726]
I can concur with Yoshi's report above. Myself & one corp mate in a gang (of 3) did 2 Lvl 4 missions last night 22/23 Nov. On warp-in we both unusually got mass aggro. Lag was therefore impossibly ridiculous. FPS became SPF and really there was very little one could do as each frame changed all you saw were the red lines growing rapidly. Warp out asap was the only option. My gang mate had a far better tank than me so he survived with some sweat on the brow.
Now I've done both of these missions solo and although they were were tight I survived and won. The lag was considerably less and the ratz behaved with some degree of sense.
So - massive lag. Nothing really to do with the number of players on line or in the system. In gang, maybe? Why did the ratz behave differently? Frame rate was impossibly slow - why? Reminded me of a massive fleet battle in Tenerifis a couple of years ago when everyone had their drones out (more then 5 each then). You could make a cup of tea in between frames.
I dunno. I have to admit that Eve enjoyment has considerably deminished, for me anyway, through this lag. I'll plod on a while I guess. Lag hasn't got any better depite the hardware upgrades - well, imho, I think its getting worse and I get the feeling that the dev team are stumped. I'm not ranting at them or anyone else it must be very hard to unravel and overcome this. But its taking too long and if the enjoyment is disappearing, well maybe its time to start looking elsewhere.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:25:00 -
[727]
That's because you are describing client stutter and generally poor framerate. The server upgrades and added bandwidth were not intended to improve these, nor will they. Network lag and server stutters have no baring on framerate.
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sbaker
Amarr Bogans INC
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:27:00 -
[728]
Well after reading the posts I do agree on some of things said, here is my 2isk. Yes I (we do) all get lag, but there are things to overcome it... like warping into lvl 4 mission deadspace.... grab a shuttle go in and let the area load up and so u can get it good and easy so what u lose your shuttle, all the NPC are loaded in that area of space...and does not have to be reloaded again.... thats what I found anyway.. The lag I get is module lag I all had this idea that some CCP or GM was watching what I was doing and turning my modules of like I run and ****ation with a passive setup and the hits where like full hits with out the resits on...it was weird and when I am in an raven and select reload all, its takes forever to load, so I have to re-click all to single reload then wait 10 sec more it to load. I just more worried when kali comes out.....there going to be lag bugs and crashes.....put on a long training skill and play other game for about week and then come back.....thats what I do.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:36:00 -
[729]
What I'm saying is it appears that there has never been any effort put into solving client stutter and poor framerate. All of CCP's outlay on more servers is to compensate for the slow code that runs on them but there is no effort going into optimising the codebase itself.
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Nurofenusa
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:52:00 -
[730]
Originally by: Solbright That's because you are describing client stutter and generally poor framerate. The server upgrades and added bandwidth were not intended to improve these, nor will they. Network lag and server stutters have no baring on framerate.
You're kidding me right? When the network stalls the client is waiting for information and this does effect the framerate. The client waits for this information and freezes whilst it waits for it - hence a nice drop in framerate.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:02:00 -
[731]
Nope, not even Eve's design would be that dumb. The client does not wait for a responses to commands, it instead will display whatever arrives when it arrives. Rendering is independant of traffic.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:23:00 -
[732]
Edited by: Akira Ito on 24/11/2006 17:26:11
Originally by: Nurofenusa
You're kidding me right? When the network stalls the client is waiting for information and this does effect the framerate. The client waits for this information and freezes whilst it waits for it - hence a nice drop in framerate.
Nurofenusa, we've discussed this issue with mr.Solbright already.
His absence of knowledge of software architecture is amusing considering his aplomb.
You're absolutely right. He's not.
PS. I'm web apps developer with 8yrs experience, so I'm pretty close with this kind of stuff. __________ Fanboys' lack of logic leads to excessive excitement causing endorphines influx causing shortage of brain oxygen supply leading to severe brain damage and further logic malfunctioning. |
Mirrari Waador
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:55:00 -
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Keep in mind that none of us know exactly how the software has been designed. All we can do is conjecture theories from the evidence the client and other sources provide to us. I played eve in beta and only now started an active account and have been playing since Nov 11th. Since I'm not experienced with the client before all the patches I'm not spoiled by good performance in reflection to its current state. I can see the 1 to 1.5 second delay before a request to do something is executed. I also noticed the client locking up for 3-5 seconds every 20 or so seconds. The stuttering I just described doesn't occur until I've been playing for a while though ("a while" meaning at least a couple of hours). This may indicate a memory leak or something. My framerate in general only drops below 30 if I'm dealing with a rather large amount of dust or nebulae but seems fine everywhere else. I have not had life threatening delays initiating modules or warping to safety, even while grouped with a friend in a deadzone. The most rats I've seen onscreen at once is perhaps as many as 25 or 30 but they didn't seem to impact performance once I engaged. I can attest to the rubber banding after warps but it doesn't seem to impact my travel more than a second or two after I'm there. I'm playing from the Central U.S. on a merely average system and it "feels" like the promiment issues I'm dealing with are due to light lag (which may be accounted to from server logistics but one can't be certain) and local client hiccups from either a memory leak or some other source.
Furthermore, while I find it hard to believe that the rendering engine freezing up is caused by latency or server communications, I can't say it's impossible since I don't know how it's implemented.
Revelations is not going to be presented bereft of patching code. Until we can experience it, despite the new features, we can't claim that it's merely a feature patch with reckless disregard of current performance and your torrent of complaints thereof.
Things have gotten better even by some veteran players' account as noted in earlier posts. I feel bad for those players knowing they came from such dismal times in EVE and I'm forced to feel lucky that I came in when I did. I hope all of you get what you deserve from the patch, but hope is all we can do now that you've voiced such strong reflections.
Reflections of a new EVE player unadorned by its history. Cheers, Mirrari
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.11.26 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Akira Ito on 26/11/2006 22:50:14
Originally by: Mirrari Waador Keep in mind that none of us know exactly how the software has been designed. All we can do is conjecture theories from the evidence the client and other sources provide to us.
Software Engineering is kinda science and operating by same patterns and approaches.
Game engine freezes when it have to render something but data is yet to come.
For example, you jump into new system. Client awaits for a data near your gate before starting to render it.
Well, actually it can start to render items right away as they come - just nothing at the start, then first item, then second, etc. But that will cause issues with balancing - your ship have to be registered in that system too, and your ship should became visible for ships near gate in the same moment, as well they're all should be visible to you. So, client just freezes until everybody is ready to see each other. Imho that's pretty fair and pretty smart.
Maybe not perfect, but other solutions will be worse. __________ Fanboys' lack of logic leads to excessive excitement causing endorphines influx causing shortage of brain oxygen supply leading to severe brain damage and further logic malfunctioning. |
Lorn Cholaxu
Gallente Monadyne
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Posted - 2006.11.27 04:03:00 -
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I won't speculate about the game's architecture, but I will note with some satisfaction that things appear to be more stable in game these past two weeks. I'm happy but still a bit nervous when I play, and very much looking forward to Revelations. If things continue in this vein, we might need to start a new thread "EVE becoming playable" in the next few weeks. Have people noticed persistent lag of late, or have the hardware upgrades made their impact?
---- "We are at the point where Eve has become an expensive chatroom with some really nice scenery." ~Enkilil
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.27 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lorn Cholaxu If things continue in this vein, we might need to start a new thread "EVE becoming playable" in the next few weeks.
:) I'm getting hopeful for reduced stutter from the "optimisations" mentioned in Tuesdays patch notes.
Quote: Have people noticed persistent lag of late, or have the hardware upgrades made their impact?
Yup, lag has dropped off for most ppl. There are some still dealing with bad connections I think but that's not CCP's problem.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Akira Ito But that will cause issues with balancing - your ship have to be registered in that system too, and your ship should became visible for ships near gate in the same moment, as well they're all should be visible to you. So, client just freezes until everybody is ready to see each other.
Okay, lets go at it then.
First point: Eve is a client-server setup not a P2P setup. This means the game engine entirely runs on the servers, which in turn means that the clients aren't much more that a TV set. Add to this setup Eve's supervisory nature of player commanded combat and you get a fair and playable combat management system even with a notable amount of lag in the system.
Second point: Things only showing as they are sent to a client is exactly what does happen. Some ppl will see things later than others. And that can mean you can be slow to react to a critical change. The only reason you get a stutter at this point is just the client bogging down on the new info which it really shouldn't under any conditions.
However, usually, for example, things like small gang warp-ins and the likes, the coming-out-of-warp timer is enough to compensate for any lag so everyone gets the same chance. Just remember that a typical ping time is well under a second while Eve is much slower ticking than that so lag is not normally a big issue unless the servers aren't keeping up.
And, just to insert my pet peeve in here, when you get larger changes like fleet warp-ins or even swapping tabs on your humble chat window, where there is alot of objects being created/shifted you get slapped with a whopper stutter that can stall your PC for far too long leaving you sitting idle in a sometimes hostile situation, the servers are running along merrily processing things but you are not. Again, stuttering is not acceptable, even to the extent of just low framerate. The client's job is to be a display terminal, it should be able to keep up.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.11.27 18:02:00 -
[738]
Originally by: Solbright
First point: Eve is a client-server setup not a P2P setup. This means the game engine entirely runs on the servers, which in turn means that the clients aren't much more that a TV set.
Wrong. TV set is a listener only, EVE client is a listener AND broadcaster (with one listener) itself.
Originally by: Solbright
Second point: Things only showing as they are sent to a client is exactly what does happen. Some ppl will see things later than others. And that can mean you can be slow to react to a critical change. The only reason you get a stutter at this point is just the client bogging down on the new info which it really shouldn't under any conditions.
Wrong. Items are sent in a bunch, not as separate objects. Sending 'em as separate objects will - a) makes traffic much bigger and b) entire process would be _much_ slower. Moreover I never saw appearing objects one by one. You?
Originally by: Solbright
However, usually, for example, things like small gang warp-ins and the likes, the coming-out-of-warp timer is enough to compensate for any lag so everyone gets the same chance. Just remember that a typical ping time is well under a second...
Wrong. Ping time here is not so important. Bandwidth and amount of data to be sent is what's making sense. The bigger gang (more data), the longer delay.
I'm bored of this discussion tbh. __________ Fanboys' lack of logic leads to excessive excitement causing endorphines influx causing shortage of brain oxygen supply leading to severe brain damage and further logic malfunctioning. |
Count Mishkah
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Posted - 2006.11.27 18:52:00 -
[739]
Just been reading thru this thread, there is another thread similar to this. Don`t know where most of you guys come from - UK here. I took a little advice from the other thread and did a few tests and revealed........
from another post I made ----------------------------------
Yep, Going back to the old pingplotter thingamybob I decided to try it out and I`m getting between 33.3% and 50% packet loss at London1 level3.
If this is genuinely a server problem shouldn`t they have people that maintain the **** things? Seriously!
If your ship needs repairs you get it repaired.....DONT YOU???? If your servers need repairing shouldn`t you think about repairing them?
And after all those nice hardware upgrades too!! You`d think things would run smoothly!
**EDIT** just a quick update
so-6-0-0-0.gar1.London1.Level3.net ae-0-52.bbr2.London2.Level3.net
Both those routes seem to be the meanies. Maximum PL has been 87% so far. My guess is someone went in with a baseball bat and smashed the place up.
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I started the test again tonight when I got in from work after not being able to connect again and got 100% packet loss. I think its about time the company we pay to provide a service sat up and took notice.
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Alz Shado
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Posted - 2006.11.27 19:01:00 -
[740]
Actually, since the designers have to pay special attention to client coherence (ie, all players experience the same relative events) they probably have an Req/Ack (Request/Acknowledge) system in place for any commands that influence the environment and those around them. If the interface relied solely on the client machine, it's too easy for a hacker to cheat and trick the client into issuing commands it shouldn't. This means that when you click the "Fire Ze Missiles!" button, a check is sent to the *server* about your ammo, and that request has to make the round trip back to your client before the command is issued. It then needs to notify the clients of anyone else in your general area that you've Fired Ze Missiles (...unless the client is le tired, then it first has a nap...and then it fires ze missiles!)
There are probably predictive algoryhms in place, that assume that unless you've changed course you're likely to continue in the direction you're heading, and that's fine. But in large scale combat (in Eve, 1+ players) that Req/Ack system bogs down. Really, the only thing they can do is trust the client to make decisions and not bother the server so much, such as with client side hit/miss calculations (I hit you! You were no where near me! But I saw it hit you, so you're dead!) and such. Which is really only fair in PvE.
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:25:00 -
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Well after reading some of the topic`s it seems still unplayable or not? Did it get any better ppl because i dont want to extend my subscription before i hear the lag is gone now.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:28:00 -
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Well, its still a tad unstable due to the expansion, cant report about the lag though as Im one of many who cant login at all. Though this is not yet confirmed from CCP - just the posts on the forum and from mouth to mouth.
However prior to the patch I personally had few or no problems with lag - in the less popular systems. (Stay out of Jita).
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Im one of many who cant login at all.
*lol* that s u c k s even more than only lag.
Well i wait till next year.
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redbrute
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Posted - 2006.11.30 18:28:00 -
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Performance was OK yesterday, but it was so bad this morning that I had to give up running combat missions. I was flying a BC and could not get all my modules to work in an almost empty solar system. I think the node I was on was maxed out or something. Whatever the reason, performance was 10 times worse with about half as many players logged in. I chose something else to do instead of Eve. ------------------------- Date Of Birth: 2006.08.28 |
urbanite
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:25:00 -
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i just cant play the game any more when i undock warp about my whole pc crashes big time and i have to start it up this has only started since the patch and only happens in eve my pc spec is this..... Machine name: YOUR-VKV90JX82Y Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: Alienware System Model: Alienware BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs) Memory: 1024MB RAM Page File: 563MB used, 1898MB available Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) DX Setup Parameters: Not found DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode
so i should have no problem running eve so theres no really point in paying for it til they get the duel processor problem sorted
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Submunch
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:40:00 -
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My fps totally and utterly sucks now. I blame it on the 'seamless map' or whatever they call it. Why the hell are they showing all the solar systems in the background now? Why make our CPUs process all these dots in the background? Is it just to have a cool effect when you hit the star map that it zooms out 'seamlessly'? What a wasted of CPU. How the heck do I turn off showing all the solar systems in the background? This should improve my fps tremendously I would think.
Submunch
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Ragewaar
Judg3ment
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:28:00 -
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Apocalypse Solar
Caldari Sobaseki Star Raiders
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Posted - 2006.12.02 20:06:00 -
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For the record ... I cancelled my subscription once after Red Moon Rising because I found it hit my frame rate pretty badly, specifically after that expansion patch. At the time I was using a GeForce MX 440, wasnt prepared to suffer the frame rate drop so moved on to other games.
During Cold War I was using GeForce Mx 440 with Celeron D 2.53 GhZ and getting decently playable frame rates, including in combat. Now on my GeForce 6600GT under Revelations combat is incredibly laggy, even with sound turned off.
Now I have resubscribed a year later with a GeForce 6600GT, and the frame rate is still ridiculously poor. This game does not tax your GPU at all, and the frame rate is totally bound by what CPU you are using... I mean come on... my GPU only heats up to just over 60 Degrees Celsius while playing.
If the hotfixes in a few days time dont improve things I guess I will give up on this game altogether.
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Malfesa Longoten
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:22:00 -
[749]
This game has become a ******* joke.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari Mintaka Mining Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:39:00 -
[750]
I quit.
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Edu Journeyman
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:57:00 -
[751]
The problem persists... was not fixed before Kali/Revelations and now I cannot play the game, I'm ashamed because in the day Revelations was deployed I was amazed with the new graphics, new exploration options, new skills, new mosules, new ships, w/e new that came with the extension and post a positive coment on the "Post Deployment" thread....
Jita is with 345 ppl in local and we are getting queues saying that the system reached his limit... WTH? 345 ppl? I've played in Jita with 712 ppl and only few traces of lag, that, of course, before Dragon...
I've deleted all my instas. I've reinstalled the full client. I've cleaned the machine from dust, CPU is working at 56 degrees Celcius, I've reinstalled DirectX 9c, it's all defragmented, all other games play at maximum resolution and I don't have 10% I have with EVE in the lowest resolution...
Haven't seen any coment on the patch to be deployed on Dec 5 about all these problems, only minor bugs being adressed among with the deleting of all instas to stations and stargates... well, if Valar said BM take 14% of the database, I really don't believe an improvement in 20% in the database space will turn the game playable, it will not.
I've quited my 2 accounts just 1 month ago, when some "balancing" changes to missions nerfed even more the missions in the game and I was tired of lag, memory leak, DC, freezes, etc. I've restarted some weeks later because I'm addicted by this game, I love it, but the changes and the new things being added without fixing the main problem (PERFORMANCE) will not help to keep my interest in the game cuz I don't want to pay for something that only stress me, and that is how EVE is working for me with all these incredible queues to jump into systems that are almost empty, don't come to talk about it's a node problem, I'm talking about Jita, with 345 ppl and the system/code can't handle it.
I have no hope of any Dev coment on this thread or in my post, so, I'm only writing to tell all you my feelings about the game I love so much and, as Dark Motoko stated 3 months ago, IT'S BECOMING UNPLAYABLE!
Be your journeys long and prosperous. Treat the others as you like to be treated. Rude and fool are enemies. |
Aceonfire's Prostitute
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:23:00 -
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Why is it that at these events we see the Devs at, people never seem to be complaining about the lag, when they have the chance?
It seems they are all too busy kissing CCP's butt.
How on earth could you actually play the game, and then have anything positive to say about this company?
How much time went into writing the code, deploying this patch etc?????
CCP did all of this, yet the very basic functions of this game....simply do not work.
Who in the company made the decision to add new content, when the old content was broken and needed fixing?
I am quite certain I speak for everyone in this game when I say, the little extra content added in Revalations, would have GLADLY been sacrifised, in order for us to actually be able to play the game, headache and hassle free.
We need to get some type of orginized response to CCP, such as a mass subscription cancelation, unless they start putting ALL their resources on fixing the non-playability of the game.
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Frosty64
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Posted - 2006.12.03 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Submunch My fps totally and utterly sucks now. I blame it on the 'seamless map' or whatever they call it. Why the hell are they showing all the solar systems in the background now? Why make our CPUs process all these dots in the background? Is it just to have a cool effect when you hit the star map that it zooms out 'seamlessly'? What a wasted of CPU. How the heck do I turn off showing all the solar systems in the background? This should improve my fps tremendously I would think.
Submunch
I agree, Seamless map is neat to look at, but needs an "on/off" toggle in the options, TBH the old map was nicer and faster. I never had problems playing the game befor. now it seems that the game takes up more processing power than i can put out. temperatures rise to critical limits in a matter of minutes and force shutdowns at worst of times. the game needs to really utilize your GPU rather than your CPU. Alot of people are having overheating problems due to tremendous CPU usage. terrible lag, salvaging is useless as now people dont blow up their wrecks... warp to zero is useless. BMs were better.. scanner is broken or otherwise stinks.. old scanner with radar was tons better and much much faster in terms of scanning ability... My FPS is ok but I just cant play the game now due to overheating. I mean, Doom 3 running the "Ultra" quility setting doesnt put any stress on my PC at all. Probably because all the pretty "oohs and ahhhs" are done via your graphics card, while everything else is done by cpu. would be nice to have that balance in EVE too. Eve is really just an over-exagerated IRC/Chat room client with a shader attached. ever notice your fps/lag decreases/increases the more windows you have open? why does it take so many resources to run? why is it games like HL2, Doom3, Fear, CoD2, GTR1/2, WoW, DDO, EQ2, the new NFS Series dont Tax my system, yet Eve is unplayable?
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Eton Favre
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Posted - 2006.12.03 08:44:00 -
[754]
Will I am normally not a complainer but yes it is getting unplayable. It seemes they pushed out the update too quick to me and we are all suffering for it. normally my hat goes off to the devs the do a great job but this patch is a total falure in my opinion. Yes the new features are great but when you can't actually play the game because it is all messed up rubs me the wrong way. I am not a big fan of alot of the changes in this patch the contract system is all fubared not really usable yet. The map causes alot of client freezes. Warp core nerf I can understand but that also effects PVE and with the amount of disconnects of late my wallet is hurting.
I have a character based in aramachi I find the system ok but trying to get out of it takes 20 or more minutes You are number 56 in que for jump apears alot. My other char in a relatively deserted system has module hangs at random. I have been unable to run 2 accounts in space since the new patch. If I leave one in station I am fine. Tonight when I finaly figured things would be patched enough to run some missions my graphics and frame rate went to crap I lost my mouse and was unable to target or warp due to this. 2 of my character who had a large number of bookmarks take 20-30 minitutes to log in with no known fix as of yet. I love the game but this is getting extremely frustrating.
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F900EX
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Posted - 2006.12.03 18:55:00 -
[755]
Well kids :) they only way Dev will take notice is to call it a day EVE, I'm all inagreement with the OP and such, this is my first time playing/paying a game like this and I know for a fact that alot of new comers feel the same way.
In my 18 years of gaming i've still yet to come to play the perfect game with no Issues.. I did not read the whole 25 pages, but I would hope if eve is here for the long term that they take these posts seriously and at the very aleast make an effort to resolve them, otherwise Eves future is a very short one.... |
Fullerton
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Posted - 2006.12.03 19:28:00 -
[756]
BRING THE OLD DAYS BK TO US
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Liberty Belle
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Posted - 2006.12.03 20:16:00 -
[757]
All I can say is that what is going on in Jita and the ridiculous queues is totally unacceptable.
And there has got to be a better way of dealing with Salvage - not being able to pop those things without having a tractor and multiple salvage equipped while running a mission is really causing a big problem and now I'm just leaving all the small ship wrecks out there cuz the whole deal is a waste of time.
Maybe the market will react somehow and make the salvage and rigs worth the extreme amount of trouble they have caused. On the other hand though, I hate to see rigs cost in the tens or hundreds of millions because of it.
I still love the game, but I'm extremely disappointed.
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LordInvisible
Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.03 20:46:00 -
[758]
Been playing eve for more then a year and a half, and this is becoming unplayable.
All those fixes, improvements, optimizations never did any good..or at least not for us, players.
I have to wait for 2-3 minutes in totally deserted systems to jump in, undocking takes ages.
fleet battles in 0.0 are crap: ok, node doesnt die, but u have to wait 40secs with frozen image when u warp into battle..and there wasnt 400peeps in same grid, there was less then 100 ships. like wtf? where are promised changes and optimizations? we dont see them!
not to mention totally craped seamless map, which is ****, make option to have old scanner back..
wtf with wrecks? even doing mission now sucks. because of extra lag in 0.0 i moved to empire to do some missions, but with this 100+ wrecks lying around when i finish, it is not good. Make them disposable, but not with shooting them (my tractoring hauler dooesnt have guns!) or targetable by drones (is this a bug maybe?). at elast allow us to rename them..
rigs are useless too, they will be too expensive, taking so many components to build them..lees build reqs. or give us more components while salvaging..
overview is even more bugged then before, i have to close and open it everytime i warp in..
bah, revert patch..tier3 added ships are too expensive, modules are ****, new fleet organization is not so handy, u need 1 hour just to organize stuff.. |
tignish pei
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Posted - 2006.12.03 22:02:00 -
[759]
they need to take care of this, obviously with 25 pages of replies this isn't a small problem. I've been trying to log in my char for 20 minutes now, I had to close eve because I was stuck in jump for 10 minutes now my ship is sitting somewhere in space and my mission timer is slowly ticking down. great for CCP that they have 33000 players online right now. take some of that money at $14.95 per player and buy some more servers to fix this ongoing issue. maybe when enough people start leaving they'll figure out adding content isn't enough when people can't log in to use it.
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Aeteus
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Posted - 2006.12.03 22:15:00 -
[760]
Aye, agreed. Luckily I am still on a trial account (3 days left). The Eve experience has been great, got into a good corp and all, but lately I can't even do anything. It takes about 5-10 seconds to even activate my modules (I already lost my drones and almost my ship, since I couldn't: target, shoot, move, get my drones back into my bay, and took forever to warp out).
Was very set on subscribing, but now I am having second thoughts, if this is what continued game experience is going to be like I am not going to spend money on something like this.
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Talion Shar
Caldari Free Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.03 22:51:00 -
[761]
Edited by: Talion Shar on 03/12/2006 22:52:17 well instead of the "testing out the game i.e relevation out on the server", now you know why there is a testing phase first on Singularity.
next time dont complain of any "mississues" and test out on Singularity to avoid that case on TQ, tbh
and no im not getting the serous prob that its going unplayable, just unplayable with sound turned on... only question for dev: When we are able to play this game with sound turn on again? ((and nah i dont get $400 again to buy the newest (Creative) Soundcard, tbh it would still not work))
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Ragewaar
Judg3ment
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:05:00 -
[762]
Edited by: Ragewaar on 03/12/2006 23:09:17 You arn't at the moment Talion, but wait until like me, you've been unable to log in for nigh on 3 days, then see what you have to say.
The number of people this is affecting is growing by the day, this now 25 page topic reflects that. Whether it be a code issue, memory leak, server problem, some acknowledgement for the Devs wouldn't go amiss. At least let us know there IS a problem, then we know your on to it at least.
And as for the heat, i thought it was just me! Last night my ú1200 self built rig locked up for the first time since being built (5 months or so). I reach round the back to turn the PSU off and nearly burn myself! Seems Eve has become a bit more of a resource ***** that it used to be...
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:25:00 -
[763]
I agree that for various reasons its becoming unplayable. I won't be logging in to TQ except to change skills until after Tuesday's patch.
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Lorn Cholaxu
Gallente Monadyne
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:37:00 -
[764]
It's December 3rd. The Revelations upgrade has been deployed now for almost two weeks. I've had an opportunity to actually sit down and play a bit, and also to reflect on the problem regarding lag and new features.
I am playing on a MacBook Pro dual processor rig with a gig of RAM. EVE is eating between 20% and 90% of my CPU but I've got decent frame rate (55 FPS) for normal usage. The game lags between 5 seconds and a minute when I try to load up market windows, contracts, etc.
The new features are great and I'm glad to have them. Corporation management will now be a little easier. Before it was nigh impossible, because of trade and item transfer barriers. I will comment more about features in an appropriate thread.
I believe that the new features were worth the wait and although I am still very sore that lag continues to plague the game, I'm more willing this week than I was two weeks ago to wait while they torque up the engine.
Part of my willingness to wait is the fact that I'm signed up for another seven months of play. So, I bought in and I'm going to stick it out. I've been enjoying some time away from the game while working on long, boring skill trees on my three characters and having fun with Computer Gaming World's 2006 Game of the Year. This has allowed me to have some raw fun and makes it a lot easier to be patient with CCP. My CEO alt has 4.2M SP in trade, which makes it easy to play for an hour a day and make ISK.
Congrats, CCP on the upgrade. Now please deliver on performance. You're our only hope. To all the righteously indignant players out there, keep the feedback rolling in. This thread does help.
---- "We are at the point where Eve has become an expensive chatroom with some really nice scenery." ~Enkilil
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Ishahn
Minmatar Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:39:00 -
[765]
/signed
getting CTD for no reason then my settings poof gone. Then after 15 minutes to log back in get dumped from game again. Back to waiting 15 minutes to get in.
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padraig animal
Minmatar New Millineon
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:54:00 -
[766]
*Sigh* This week there is another patch ,i pray to whatever that it will fix the logon atm 20 min waiting to get in.
I closed eve coz i jumped and was hanging into nowhere :(
Like said beofore p&p bm's ect i can't see them can add but don't see them and on and if this go's on whats the fun of playing eve
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:09:00 -
[767]
CCP do not look in this section of the forums. This is for players helping players and known work arounds. Post a bug report, that's the best you can do. ---
Cache Clearer
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Max Torps
Gallente Research Associates Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:25:00 -
[768]
Originally by: Grez CCP do not look in this section of the forums. This is for players helping players and known work arounds. Post a bug report, that's the best you can do.
Yes they do. See this post made by CCP after the thread was moved to an alternative private location for their viewing and then returned.
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Herbert Boondogle
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:43:00 -
[769]
Have has the same problems as reported below - again, broadband, high spec machine and boom - Revelations were indeed a revelation. After losing my ship to lag etc. and getting zero response from CCP on my petitions I've just cancelled my subscription ... bye Eve my USD180/yr will I am sure find a new home with ease.
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Karrihn
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:22:00 -
[770]
I've been back less then 24 hours. I took a break shortly after RMR went live. Server performance is horrible. Horrible. horrible. HOROR-ABLE. I have made multiple attempts to log in, and when I do, I'm stuck.
If I were a new player and didn't know much about the game I wouldn't bother looking back. I would consider it $20 down the tubes and it would be saying adios amigos.
At this point I rember why I took a break. It wasn't because I didn't like the game. It was because it was so difficult to log in and actually play the game.
Just horrible.
The Destruction of your ship is usually preceeded by the thought,"I think I will try somthing a little different this time...." |
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Maik002
Spanish Intergalactic Networks
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Posted - 2006.12.04 05:03:00 -
[771]
/signed
Im near to broke because this.
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Makaio Gentilis
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Posted - 2006.12.04 08:51:00 -
[772]
Went ratting in Amarr territory far from any major hubs yesterday. Most of the systems had only 2-3 players in them, although the total server pop was above 32k (new record?). Anyway: I try to jump into the next system and get a queue in which I'm at pos #1 and doesn't change for ten minutes.
When my ship finally warps my view stays stucked onto the gate for another couple of minutes. Trying to relog does nothing more than giving me a 15min wait "Entering game as..." with my ship and char taking roughly 2mins to react to any of my actions.
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Einar Lightfingers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 09:19:00 -
[773]
/signed
The Motsu/Saila area is completely unbearable. I've lost 2 Ravens in 2 days due to the amount of lag in the area.... 1 to a drone mission! 2 weeks straight, barely a scratch.... now, I worry whether or not I have enough funds to keep flying....
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Makaio Gentilis
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Posted - 2006.12.04 09:30:00 -
[774]
Current news:
"A new peak concurrent user record was set Sunday, Dec 3rd when 32,955 users were logged into EVE Online: Revelations. This would not be that significant if not for the outstanding performance the Tranquility server demonstrated under this enormous load. According to preliminary log analysis the server cluster was at 47% capacity - A clear indication that the new Revelation expansion along with the accompanying hardware upgrades has brought the cluster to a new level."
Sure thing...
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Ixil
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Posted - 2006.12.04 11:18:00 -
[775]
A few things to say here really.
Has server performance got better yes albeit very slightly. Is the game more playable as a result really I have to say no. I do recognise that CCP is doing everything it can here.
From a player standpoint I lost my ship last night due to lag and the inability to warp out when required, but hey **** happens only a ship.
What I am seeing though is a couple things
Jump Queues - they scare the **** out of me. No longer can you assume to be able to jump at a gate when you get to it. This has implication for solo travellers in 0.0 as well as severly hampering fleet movements. Before anyone hits the travel in a group thing yes solo travel is required from time to time. These do need to be sorted it would be nice to understand what these are all about, why they where implemented, and why they do not appear to be acting consistently. jump queues with 2-3 peeps in sys, jump queues with no one in sys, jump queues with 300+ in sys.
High population systems - DO NOT GO TO JITA YOU MAY NEVER GET IN, IF YOU DO YOU MAY NEVER GET OUT on a more serious not I would like to know what CCP is doing to help ease this specific issue. In AZN there was 300 BOB/ASCN pilots and it became almost unplayable for both sides. A shame considering the number of tech 1 friggies we where chaining.
Big blobs can be seen on the map whether it is carebear central Jita, Bob beating up on hobbits, or coalition vs ra/goons and friends or any other major fleet action going on.
As a player I would like to at least see a message comeout along the lines of "yep big lag issues on the go in xyz system. working on it atm". I think if there was a more open recongnition at the time the lag is happening it would somewhat appease the masses.
CCP congrats on your new record it is a big milestone. I know you are doing everything you can but communication does need some improvement. Outwardly to the world celebrating your milestone, yeah you should. But there should also be a statement to the players recognising the playability impact I think that is why some of the people have posted with such hostility regarding your milestone announcement.
CCP Revelations is awsome, to those who do not like the changes - adapt
We know it will take a while to settle things down as things do with new patches. Communication does help though, you communicate OK just communicate more often daily if need be.
You my continued support, and my subscription fees
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:46:00 -
[776]
Originally by: Makaio Gentilis "A new peak concurrent user record was set Sunday, Dec 3rd when 32,955 users >snip< A clear indication that the new Revelation expansion along with the accompanying hardware upgrades has brought the cluster to a new level."
I don't see mention of the mass disconnects shortly after reaching that point. 10 - 15K people all going offline at once. Definitely a new level of something.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
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GRIEV3R
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:58:00 -
[777]
A couple of my corps mates and I have gotten podded in the last two days due to an interesting issue. When our ships were destroyed, of course we immediately clicked on a planet/station/whatever to warp our pods out. All of us got the following message: "You are already in warp." Quite the contrary, we were not in warp, and in each case, our pods sat there, saying we were already warping out, while we were targeted and podded. That stings when you've got a full set of +4s. I realize the CCP is running on of the largest MMOs in the world off of one mega-server, and that there are bound to be performance issues with such an ambitious endeavor. Of course there's going to be lag. So when I lag out in a lvl 4 mission, and by the time the lag is overwith the whole complex is agro'd on me and I'm in hull, I try to be patient. They'll fix it.
Of course our individual CPUs are going to have a huge load, it's just not technologically or financially feasible for CCP to bear the brunt of the proccessing load and still give us such a cool game for only 14.95 a month. I bought a new dual core laptop specifically to play Eve, and it runs fine.
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Asoc
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:13:00 -
[778]
Originally by: GRIEV3R ... CCP takes good care of thier customers. They'll fix it. Be patient.
http://www.eve-online.com/news/newsOfEve.asp?newsID=385
"These aren't the droids you're looking for"
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lexxx
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:14:00 -
[779]
intresting topic heh
750 posts
the game is CPU limted i got an Nvidia 8800 GTX the game is 2-3 yrs old now ? between 50-80 FPS and thats just in space or in dock no action
more ships objects on screen more loss in FPS (i guess the game has to render the game useing the CPU not the GPU), but server lag is there as more ships are there more lag as the server has to keep up (one of the nodes)
did'nt thay upgrade the servers up to 64-bit code yet ?
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Asoc
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:42:00 -
[780]
I'm not sure if the game is CPU limited, see this thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=436989
He's got a far better CPU than me, and a loosely comparable video card, yet he gets the same FPS.
Your 8800 should be beyond excellent in any game (at least for a year or so), let alone with Eve.
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Mrs Yutty
Janeway's Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:48:00 -
[781]
The game has become totally unplayable after 7pm eve time.
Im lucky that I can play in the afternoons when the servers are quiet. but in the evenings. forget it. I eother get stuck at a gate or get the famour "Acquiring Bulk Data" message.
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Isotobe
Caldari Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:53:00 -
[782]
For the first time since I have played eve, the lag tonight has made it unplayable. Our corp lives in 0.0, and with 26 players in system we are all having 10+ mins to dock/undock, scans just do not work, etc.
For the first time ever the whole corp has logged off, and have theri collective fingers crossed the patch tomorrow brings some hope of a game we can play again.
Lets hope tomorrow brings some stability
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Dailey
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:00:00 -
[783]
I've also been having problems since the patch. I joined Eve three months ago, and loved it from the start. However, since the patch, my home computer got stuck on the "Status: unknown", but I was still able to connect to the testing server. I was able to play eve at work on another boardband line - excellent. Then I become aware of all the lag issues. I lost two ships Sunday due to not being able to warp out of a tight spot. After the second time, I quickly canceled my monthly subscription. I would really like to be able to enjoy this game, but with the current problems, I can't. As I said, I've only been on for three months, so I have no idea what kind of customer service/support CCP normally provides, but I'm only aware of the horrid lack of response they've shown this month. Cheers.
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Rhorx
Minmatar Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:29:00 -
[784]
Completely and uttery unplayable. How did this make it to live?
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Audioprophet
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:52:00 -
[785]
Think we will never get any answer here. They give a f*** on whats happening to all the people having problems with these massive lags. Thread is now 3 month old and no one of the lovely ccp group was able to give a thread with that much posts any attention. Great work, great customer support, great game... Invested about half a year of playing and skilling to fight and now the only thing i can do is orbiting gates counting down half an hour to jump in or having a mission with either waiting minutes to activate any module or simply getting blown, cause i cant even move. But hey, read the news, everything is cool... 32k players and only fourty-? percent server load. We are all hallucinating...No lags, servers fine, almost no load, so no need to give a proper statement to all that psychos feeding that thread to 26+ pages...
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:51:00 -
[786]
Originally by: Audioprophet Think we will never get any answer here. They give a f*** on whats happening to all the people having problems with these massive lags. Thread is now 3 month old and no one of the lovely ccp group was able to give a thread with that much posts any attention. Great work, great customer support, great game... Invested about half a year of playing and skilling to fight and now the only thing i can do is orbiting gates counting down half an hour to jump in or having a mission with either waiting minutes to activate any module or simply getting blown, cause i cant even move. But hey, read the news, everything is cool... 32k players and only fourty-? percent server load. We are all hallucinating...No lags, servers fine, almost no load, so no need to give a proper statement to all that psychos feeding that thread to 26+ pages...
to be fair, my gameplay is 98% lag free
Things have improved since Dragon deployment (where admittedly lag was really annoying)
ocassionally it gets a bit lagged out, but its quite rare compared to how stable it is 98% of the time
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Rhorx
Minmatar Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:26:00 -
[787]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Audioprophet Think we will never get any answer here. They give a f*** on whats happening to all the people having problems with these massive lags. Thread is now 3 month old and no one of the lovely ccp group was able to give a thread with that much posts any attention. Great work, great customer support, great game... Invested about half a year of playing and skilling to fight and now the only thing i can do is orbiting gates counting down half an hour to jump in or having a mission with either waiting minutes to activate any module or simply getting blown, cause i cant even move. But hey, read the news, everything is cool... 32k players and only fourty-? percent server load. We are all hallucinating...No lags, servers fine, almost no load, so no need to give a proper statement to all that psychos feeding that thread to 26+ pages...
to be fair, my gameplay is 98% lag free
Things have improved since Dragon deployment (where admittedly lag was really annoying)
ocassionally it gets a bit lagged out, but its quite rare compared to how stable it is 98% of the time
Funny, that was my story BEFORE the patch.
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:33:00 -
[788]
I have played since the game was released. It was my first MMORPG and I have been addicted ever since. I've spent money on the magazines, the game, the online store and sunk more time than I really want to think about into it. So please don't think I am just commenting without playing the game for any length of time.
Now the game is getting so bad in terms of playability I just can't help having bad thoughts about it. CCP keep saying that the more players they get the better it will be for us, the chinese expansion was supposed to make it so that there was more $ to spend on TQ etc. Kali brought new hardware and better optiomisations to make the game more playable as many regions were simply laggy hellhoes with no reprieve.
So far we've had a shedload more hardware and still lag is bad. It always strikes me that CCP are always playing catch up with hardware i.e. they can only really afford to buy it when it is clear they desperately need it not in advance of the demand. Sometimes I just wish they'd stop shouting and striving to get the highest online number of people cause tbh I was happy when there was 5k online and the game played like a dream.
I hate how optimisation has become a byword for removal when they look at graphical options in eve. I remember when you could see a ship clearly from a distance without it being a dot and a red square. Try flying a guardian these days. scroll out a few clicks of the mouse wheel and it becomes a greyed out blob after the dragon code optimisations (might have been the one before can't recall now).
Don't get me wrong this isn't a "I'm quitting post", just a real lamentation that despite all the promises the lag problems in the game are progressively worsening and whilst not constant when lag rears its head you just know its gonna get bad.
I do hope that things settle down over next month and I wonder if perhaps given the recent patches and issues that maybe CCP are still running server error logs quite intensively which may be a big part of the lag.
/me dreams of a lag free xmas
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Emma Green
Caldari Hammerfall Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:54:00 -
[789]
i played WoW the other day ... its totaly lagfree ... i didnt like it eve is much better. i jsut hope we could achive that eve would be lagfree ... atm i cant play ... it laggs very bad and my fps is also very bad ...
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Zhapista
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Posted - 2006.12.05 16:12:00 -
[790]
The author of topic is so right on the money. Soon we will stop playing the game cause the ingame issues are far to annoying. CCP wont reimburse your ship lost due to lag.Having to deal with the lag issue + crashing when zoning (stargates stations etc) is just a bad deal for CCP and the customers it¦s not fixed soon.
Hauling for a miner = lag opening cans, crash when docking/undocking = 50 logins a night for 1 caracter. Perhaps some of the lag would go away if we didn¦t crash so much?
Maby CCP should fix the issues we had with crashing when zoning instead of releasing revelations with even more problems?
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Samachani
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:33:00 -
[791]
I think eve is actually becoming better. Tonight is the only lag i've seen and hd to go into a login queue. It didn't ruin it for me. I just laughed as the stargates closed and thought nothing of it because a new patch had been installed. I have never experienced lag of any kind before.
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Borasao
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:53:00 -
[792]
It's getting so bad that I spend a huge amount of time just trying to travel to do missions. If you have to go through Saila or Jita, you're just SOL. It usually takes me over 10 minutes queued every time I want to go through there. It's so bad that if you are wardec'd, you can't really do anything because you can get completely trapped with no hope of escape in some systems now.
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redbrute
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:19:00 -
[793]
15 minutes to jump into Emolgranian with only 4 other ships waiting. Now I have waited over 15 minutes to dock at a station in Emolgranian with 0 other ships waiting. I still have 6 more jumps to go before I get to my destination. ------------------------- Date Of Birth: 2006.08.28 |
redbrute
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:30:00 -
[794]
I am still waiting to dock at Emolgranlan... ------------------------- Date Of Birth: 2006.08.28 |
redbrute
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:42:00 -
[795]
I got a response to my petition about being stuck:
Hi, Try relogging and docking again. Best Regards GM Fear EVE-Online Customer support
So I tried relogged and now:
Character Selection Failed Your character is located within (Emolgranlan) which has reached maximum capacity. You are #6 in queue for entrance. Please try again in a moment. ------------------------- Date Of Birth: 2006.08.28 |
Realia
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:47:00 -
[796]
2 minutes waiting just to open the fitting
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Zeon Xero
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Posted - 2006.12.05 20:31:00 -
[797]
Ok *yawn*
I see 26 pages of complaints, as of my post.
So people tell me, if CCP doesn't do anything about it, are you guys going to say "#$@* IT, Imma going to cancel this..."
Oh wait.. no you guys won't will you... too much time and money invested in EVE. So what ya going to do guys?... Or are you guys waiting for EVE to fix your lag problems. If so, how long are you willing to wait. I would admit, the lag IS getting bad in some systems, even in the light of the recent Hardware upgrades ("MOOOORRREEE HARRRDWARRREEE"). But it seems its not priotiy to fix the lag issues. CCP are, atm in my opinion, working towards getting new stuff into the game... the stuff that some of you were complaining about "oh Kail is SO overdue", "when is Kali coming out CCP?"... so they are doing your bidding.
Anyway... what are you guys going to do? cause it looks like its going to get worst than better...
Oh and I didn't read all 26 pages of complaints, so don't rat on me if I brought this up "again"
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Neue Ziel
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Posted - 2006.12.05 20:36:00 -
[798]
The server load and Jump in queues in particular are killing the game for me. CCP wants us to move out to 0.0 space. Okay, fine. With mission payouts severely nerfed from their previous levels I really don't have a choice anyway. So I make the big switch and head out to no-man's land. Sure I have to watch local like a hawk but the money's good, warp to 0 makes travel realatively safe. I can go about my business with minimal difficulties.
Or, so I thought. Then I get stuck at a gate in a jump in queue and consiquently attacked by PC pirates. Now I'm stuck in a station.
Now if it had been a bunch of campers who tackled and nearly killed me I'd have no problem with this. that's the price you pay for living on the frontier. But it *wasn't* clever players that nearly got me killed it was the damn server issues.
This idea of "super game" with thousands of people on the same server would be great IF CCP could deal with the lag, get rid of the lines and have enough space where everyone isn't piled on top of each other in every system because there isn't enough space. Yet despite the upgrades and promises and patches so far; they're all still there. If CCP can't sort this out they need admit defeat and go go to a mulitple server system like some of their competitors.
There's nothing wrong with piracy per se, what IS wrong is that jump in queues are an effective exploit.
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Riannon
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:35:00 -
[799]
ever since patch my pc disconects from server when ever the is an explosion.....not very good when your ratting in fields :(
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Dr Longfingers
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Posted - 2006.12.09 03:09:00 -
[800]
*signed
it's gone from bad to Bad Version 7.0 "Live Wrong and Prosper" |
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Ergo Stareaver
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:06:00 -
[801]
Having to turn sound OFF to get a decently playable frame rate in EVE just sucks.
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NurofenMiner
Amarr United Knights Mining and Security Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:56:00 -
[802]
Let me see. Recently they nerfed bookmarks to improve performance....yes that didn't work at all.
I would have liked to play eve today if it wasn't for waiting for 2 hours under the message of 'you are #1 in queue for jump in' - Should I petition this as stuck CCP?
Perhaps one day in the future I'll be able to play EVE without expecting disapointment.
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000Hunter000
Gallente The Lookers
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:33:00 -
[803]
Well lag isn't so bad for me when i run a single account, what is annoying is that i have 2 accounts but apparently i can't use both on them on my fancy new rig cuz what i heard/read eve can't handle a nice dual core proc
So just wondering if anyone knew a workaround for this? i tried setting both accounts to a different cpu but that didn't do much.
Gonna stick in an extra 1 gig ram soon but not sure if that will solve anything.
This is kinda laughable though, i bought this rig hoping it would let me use both accounts and now i find out it still won't let me, even stranger it is now worse then on my old rig, oh well gonna try to hook up the old rig as well and see if i cant run 2 accounts that way if there hasn't been a fix come january. Resized tag... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp :p
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Sswiftstrike
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:40:00 -
[804]
If they dont fix the problems they just another customer... Theres so much fking lag whenever I leave dock I get stuck in a black screen and jump ques are in the 100s now. If this server can handle 30,000 people on at once. I'd hate to see what the pentium 3 processor looks like after 5 years of degrading system stability.
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o0TuNa0o
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 12:35:00 -
[805]
/signed
It's getting to the point where I'm paying ú8 a month for a fancy skill builder. That and the fact tiscai are a bunch of a holes and have blocked access to Eve recently..
Boo!
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kaike
Minmatar Darklite inc
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Posted - 2006.12.11 13:52:00 -
[806]
Originally by: Sswiftstrike I'd hate to see what the pentium 3 processor looks like after 5 years of degrading system stability.
I prefer not to think so much forward lol ,let them first try to fix this ,in 5 years we will have ehm well 2 more relevation update's + a whole bunch more .
If every time this is gonna happen i need to think about re scribing my acount's
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Anton Zuber
Minmatar Quantum Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.11 19:34:00 -
[807]
I haven't been able to log in since the 27121 patch. That's 3 patches ago today, and nearly a month. Accessing bulk data, lost connection to client, have a nice day.
Never even gets past the first screen. Tried full reinstalls, fooling with the cache. Three friends in town who play eve, two can play, one cannot. So counting myself, that's 2 of 4 who cannot play.
I'm cancelling my account, this is the worst service I have ever even HEARD of. A real shame too, had about a year invested in this game, a lot of skills. Doesn't do me much good now.
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Rman
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Posted - 2006.12.11 21:40:00 -
[808]
wow this is a huge thread! Is there is CCP response in here somewhere?
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.12.15 21:41:00 -
[809]
Looks like things have improved if this thread is any measure.
I'll have to admit it's a little more playable since Revalations, the nominal framerate is down but so is the stuttering.
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Halbeth
Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.15 23:35:00 -
[810]
Ever since revelations I've been unable to connect to TQ, almost constantly getting 'Status: Unknown'. When I can get into game, it decides to hit me with the CTD's thing because I'm at a stargate.
Luckily I'm training Amarr Cruiser 5, but all the same come on CCP, I've had a petition going for over 24 hours with no response and there are countless other people with this problem. Please get it sorted soon.
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bonkerss
Virus 21
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Posted - 2006.12.16 00:26:00 -
[811]
i never thought i would every have to add a message onto this thread... but lately i would have to agree that eve is just not playable anymore. I have a problem since patch which mean if i donr delete the IMG folder before i log in, I will crash at any stargate i travel to. My screen freezes for about 10 seconds atleast once every 2 mins, and I cant take part in the wars i start because of this. i mean, i have alot of patience, but these past 2 weeks have driven me around the bend. and! occasionally when i jump gates, the client drops! now, because the client dropped when i jumped a gate, i dont even know if my war targets got an "easy kill mail" and i already have 1 re-embursment petition open from earlier in the week
ok, that too is my rant over ffs i cant be bother to log back on and check to see am i still in a ship... going to bed
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bonkerss
Virus 21
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Posted - 2006.12.16 01:04:00 -
[812]
Edited by: bonkerss on 16/12/2006 01:06:47 do u know what, i aint done ranting yet. i just targeted a ship and would you believe it, 10-15 seconds of LAG, great, so not only am i a sitting duck, but i dont know which direction my target went. all i play for is kills, and when the code for revelations went on, i didnt get a single kill mail of my war targets because it was broken if you killed someone with a missile. so no kill mails means the war didnt actually exist, i just spent hours camping tagets for nothing......... aaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cim Traquan
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Posted - 2006.12.16 01:19:00 -
[813]
This is a shame... I just started the trial version of the game two days ago and I love it, but if there are issues in these noob systems being overpopulated and unplayable, then the noobs will have a harder time progressing in the game.
I'll give it the rest of my 14-day trial and hope the lag improves... If not, I will look for another MMO to take the place of that horrible World of Warcraft I just stopped playing.
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Lavanyaa
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.16 09:35:00 -
[814]
Awsome, I was just witness to my Typhoon being blown up by pirates because I couldn't move or type or warp, **** I was in one belt, where my ship was REALLY in a completely different belt.
Note that on the same computer, but on an alt running another instance of Eve I could see myself and read my own chat in loca, but could not move my ship or defend myself
Way to go CCP
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lordbalan
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Posted - 2006.12.16 11:34:00 -
[815]
Edited by: lordbalan on 16/12/2006 11:34:10 The lag has been getting worse and worse, Revelations has not improved things and the removal of BM's which were supposed to reduce the lag have not made any difference as far as I can see. Certain systems seem terminally ill, Saila and the surrounding area seems very bad, in fact doing a mission there could be suicide, last nite modules would only activate after a few minutes - got out with 43% hull
I love EvE and have been playing for many years but its getting to the tipping point where the lag/performance issues are beginning to outweigh the enjoyment of this great game Decision time will be in the New Year as to whether I continue to pay for two accounts or not. I am sure there are other players like myself who would like CCP to sort out the performance issues so we can get back to the enjoyment of the game. I will not continue to pay for the game in its present broken state.
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Xitahr
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Posted - 2006.12.16 21:42:00 -
[816]
Jeez by mistake one of my 'shopping' trips went through Jita and this surely has put an end to the joy ive experienced, playing EVE. When i entered the gate to jita i was stuck for like 45 mins before i was 'kicked' from the server. After that it havnt been possible for me to log on again. ATM im only on a trial account, and thank god for that. If I was paying for this I wouldnt be happy at all. This is just not good enough.
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Kindza dza
Amarr Central Processing Unit
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Posted - 2006.12.18 14:48:00 -
[817]
it was fine before update to revelation.. So to conclude, Revelation more or less sucks :/ _________________________________________________
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Kaynard Stormwalker
Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2006.12.18 17:21:00 -
[818]
We had like 30 people in a 0.0 system, had a 12 x 14 or something battle and it was laggy as hell. People living next door to the server couldnt even warp away with their pods. Huge delay for activating/deac modules.
Pfft, so much for one server ?-_-
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Mantrata
X10
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Posted - 2006.12.19 23:10:00 -
[819]
Originally by: Kaynard Stormwalker
Pfft, so much for one server ?-_-
Its not one server its..um....errrr......lots of interconnected ones three tiers of em i believe. Front end internet servers, middle system servers and backend SQL servers in one huge omgwtfbbqed cluster. Deep space regions get less nodes ie cpu's than empire systems which are vastly more heavily populated. Not sure what the official number of actual boxes the TQ cluster is but i think its over a hundred.
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Xaintrix
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Posted - 2006.12.19 23:28:00 -
[820]
I've been through various laggy situations in EVE, but back on Saturday, the 16th, was the first time that I encountered lag so unplayable that it resulted in the destruction of my ship.
After warping into a mission I tried to acquire targets and the lock on cycle continued for minutes on end without ever breaking lock nor confirming lock. From there it got worse as I couldn't not navigate anywhere with the double click process, and moreover while the rats were pounding on my ship the UI would not update to report the damage. Trying to buffet off the rats using shield hardners, the UI would not acknowledge that they were Active, yet the system would give an error message saying a particular shield resonance flag is already showing Active.
I tried filing a "stuck" petition, because I really was, but sadly after several minutes of pounding and multiple mission spawns I eventually popped. But what was lovely about it was that I ended up as a flaming hull inside my own wreck! The UI would not give any readouts on my pod and would not move. To add insult to injury the rats continued to beat on my corpse, but as there was no pod I was not directly being shot at - they were going for the pseudo hull still in existence.
Now I'm stuck moving this into a reimbursement petition.
This is the first time I've been disappointed with the gameplay. It's good to know on one hand others are experiencing the same misery, but it's not going to bring my Drake back any time soon. I can only hope I do not have to deal with any back and forth in getting my ship + fittings returned.
I'm thankful I can log into station long enough to switch skill trainings, but I'm stuck doing other things rather than playing EVE. If both the lag (to a degree) and my petition can be cleared this week I'd be more than happy, but I'm not too optimistic at this point.
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Zorneesh
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Posted - 2006.12.23 20:07:00 -
[821]
Well I've got nowhere with CCP.. Many many petitions. all with the same lame reply's. I'm considering legal action and closing my accounts. The product does not work properly.
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TamiyaCowboy
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:56:00 -
[822]
my pc spec's
P4 2.4ghz northwood. 1GB Pny ddr400, Nvidia 6600le 256mb Agp.
all drivers upto date. single system isp connection. so im running a few missions and keep getting this lag. dock into station and reboot at same time bring up the fps console. sitting in station i have a super 74fps this is with all setting too minimal on card. undock from station fps shoots down too around 24fps, this aint that bad and does not worry me too much. asi enter mission a rat targets me a the lag dog bites me hard. fps shoots down too a minimum of 7fps and a max of around 10fps-11fps. so after killing rats and taking bloody ages for modules too activate i warp back too station and log off. logging back in fps shots too 74fps, warp too mission and engage the fps drops straight down too 7fps..
bloody game is unplayable now with 7fps and is not too good at 11fps either. before you ask my system getas around 40-60 people at max and im miles from jita and aunia, so CCP what the hell is happening too this awesome game. i have noticed this drop in suitable fps eversince the last patch update and TBH only had decent gameplay when it was red moon rising. so again i ask why is the fps dropping out so much, please dont say its my system as i know myself all was well before the khali update Duct Tape: The kidnappers Best Friend Since 1971 |
Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.12.25 06:33:00 -
[823]
Just fair warning to everyone: The CCP propaganda police have been hard at work on this thread. Watch your posts VERY carefully, and complain LOUDLY when they get clipped to make certain the police know they are not getting away with anything. Everyone should know that the CCP branch of the propaganda party wing like to crush all voices of opposition without mercy. I had over 10 posts in this thread at one point, they have ALL been cleansed as far as I can tell. And "for what" you ask gentle reader? Simple: For telling the truth: Someone up at CCP is getting VERY rich off of a broken game that they seemed bound and determined not to fix. Oh, and since my post about THIS particular tidbit got cleansed, I fell it only fair that I post it again. Everyone knows that CCP is pulling in OVER $75,000 USD per DAY from subsciptions ALONE and yet we STILL have to put up with the game in the state its in, right? I mean, that is COMMONLY known, right? You would think with THAT kind of money they could hire programmers and network admins that know what the heck they are doing....... I mean, look when this thread started for goodness sake!! Look at the first post from the op of the thread!! SEPTEMBER 9th!!!! These SAME problems have been reported OVER and OVER again by people from ALL ove rthe community and CCP simply ignores them and hopes they will go away.
I really don't know what to say or do anymore. When a company has departed as far as CCP has from decency and morality, much less responcibility to it's PAYING customers, what else IS there to say??? It's just sad and pathetic is all..... *
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.12.25 09:58:00 -
[824]
I have had over 11 posts in this thread.... ALL have been purged by the propaganda police for not being "pro-CCP". Well, I only have this to say to them in return: Give us something to be possitive about, like I dunno, a WORKING GAME AND SERVERS, and I'll sing your praises. But for now, you are doing neither CCP. Laggy game performance, graphics FPS in the sewer, constant drops from server, and finally CTD and a client that causes windows BSoD. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, customer service and forum mods that would rather shut people up and keep a rosy corporate image rather than help thier paying customers.
In short, watch your posts in this thread guys. They are being clipped left and right for no other reason than they want to silence the truth tellers. *
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Zarnesh
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Posted - 2006.12.25 20:00:00 -
[825]
Law suit time.. Bar stewards never flipping listen to us. Maybe if we sue their bottoms they will.
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ISno god
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Posted - 2006.12.25 23:27:00 -
[826]
if this had been a game with faster game play, no one would have played cause of the lag
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belemar
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Posted - 2006.12.25 23:34:00 -
[827]
I am new subscriber and I like this game very much.
The problem is lag. When I play before the evening with 14000 people in the game, everything is fine. But in the evening with 20000+ game is useless. Only entering and leaving stations is neverending story.
I searched for the explanation of this problem and I am surprised to see that the makers of this game don't come forward. It's very important that you make respectful customer support system as that is somethings that makes or breaks businesses, especially ones like yours.
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Marine03112
Minmatar Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.26 03:11:00 -
[828]
Ok I finally have to Post! Its the 26th of Dec now and still no word from CCP about this issue. IMO if they have to roll some features back to get the game to be stable and without lag then do it. Do what ever it takes to get this fixed. I log in play a bit get discussed and leave. I wont quit eve just yet but if this persists for a few more months then yes i will be gone. I love eve and made alot of good friends her e but everything does end. Hopefully a fix is around the corner.
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Zorneesh
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Posted - 2006.12.27 16:09:00 -
[829]
Its quite likely CCP are turning over somewhere in the region of $7.5million a year through subscriptions...
In return we get.... (fill in the blanks yourselves below)
Mine..
Rude un-helpful answers to our requests for help..
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Lunabi
Gallente Dirty Little Heroes
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Posted - 2006.12.28 00:10:00 -
[830]
Today is the 28th and it is still unplayable when there are more then 20k people on the server. For traveling or trading it is ok, but for mission running with deadly level 4 missions it is not ok. I'm flying a dominix with a 24/7 tank, so module lag is no problem, but when i can't give my drones any commands or they repsond several minutes after the command or they respond never, is it nearly impossible to fly any missions. After the deployment of kali 1, was everything perfect, hell what a nice performance i thought, but then, one week later, the first patch arrived and the performance got nerfed alot, now, several "updates" later it is everytime a lag fest when there are more then 20 000 people on the server.
And no, the problem is not on my end, tracert shows me a 22 ping to transquility and my hardware and drivers are up to date and all others games are running fine. For the moment i don't play at all, my last mission was on 23th.... At the moment i just log in to keep my market orders up to date and change my skills. I really hope CCP is improving the performance 1000% within the next 1 or 2 weeks or alot of people will leave eve because the actual situation sucks alot and playing is nearly impossible...
Hope CCP finds back to their good work they delivered in the past
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Rayne Kerrigan
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Posted - 2006.12.28 06:07:00 -
[831]
I'm a new subscriber and honestly don't know if I'll keep my subscription up. I've been playing EVE for a little over a week now. The lag is not that much of a problem but then, I wasn't there at the beginning when things ran smootly (according to the old timers) so I figured it was normal. My biggest problems are constants, and I mean constants disconnects. I get disconnected almost every 30-45 mins.
And there are others things too like at character creation. I like to spend some time tweaking a new character and then, when I get at the "Check Availability" button... Bang! Lost Connection to Server. I know it's not my system specs. I've been playing online game for years such as Neverwinter Nights and WoW mostly. Never have I gotten disconnected that many times in a day. So CCP, I really like your game. It truely is awsome but those problems make me think if I will continues to subscribe.
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LordHamSandwich
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Posted - 2007.01.26 00:33:00 -
[832]
Wow. Looky here. I found a thread from 06. Now it's late Jan. of 07.
I'm a new player, been in Eve for about two months.
THE LAG IS WAY BAD. I honestly will cancel my account by march if this isn't sorted out or if my petitions for new ships are left unanswered. And that sucks because I'm also in a corp and I really enjoy the game when it works properly. About half and half.
And that simply is not worth the dough.
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DrDrohne
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Posted - 2007.01.26 10:06:00 -
[833]
its just eve...1 year ago eve was fine for me high fps good pings no lags no pc crashes no bugs nor nothing... and now? lag all the day hugh delays in combat freezers when i recall my dronez pc crashes complete and so on..... and to my personal happyness my 2 days ago buyed alienware pc with intel dual core 2,4ghz 4gb ram and 8800gtx slide runs eve the same as my last athlon dual core 3800 64 bit with 2 gb ram and 7900 gt slide.... at 45 fps when leaving station and 15 in combat... lol!!! i stoped playing eve i tooked it for months i heard hints as took of audio update your bios and such ****.... my pcs are fine but eve is wrecked ...
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H3licon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.27 18:17:00 -
[834]
The only solution is to learn chinese and try their server. At least that one gets love and attention.
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Spenz
Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.27 18:32:00 -
[835]
Its the Dragon load balance code that fked things up in the first place. Revelations only made things worse. They think depopulating the hub systems will fix stuff. Did lag die with the drone fix? No. Did lag die with the BM fix? no. Did lag die with the ice field fix? no. Will lag die with no hub asteroids? no. Will lag die by removing a few jumps? no.
Have all these changes (except the BM change) reduced the experience of the game; the environment; the atmosphere? A big resounding YES.
Nice work CCP.
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Edgars Sults
LFC Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.28 10:36:00 -
[836]
It's so sad that the big alliance fleet fights are a synonym for complete lagfest, not being able to activate mods, not being able to move your ship, being blown up by ships that you don't see. And what's even sadder is that from the way thigns are looking, it's never ever going to be fixed. Never. It can only get worse.
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Sev Stormveil
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Posted - 2007.01.28 17:34:00 -
[837]
Edited by: Sev Stormveil on 28/01/2007 17:32:24 Edited by: Sev Stormveil on 28/01/2007 17:31:13 I took a trial of Eve back in November to see what else was on the market after playing WoW for about 18 months. It intrigued me and it ran as smooth as butter me but for various reasosn, I ended up drifting back to WoW.
Now, I've finally had enough of WoW, come back two months later, fire up my subscriptionn and words truly can't describe the difference in performance. Is this caused be the new patch since I last played? Is it likely to continue? If so, this is not the replacement I'm looking for - I'd rather just write off the tenner I've thrown out for the sub and move on to something else. Am I right in thinking these issues haven't been responded to at all? From this thread it looks like it
I think CCP are in a unique position to pick up a lot of WoW players who are either looking for a bigger challenge and/or are frustrated with the new expansion trashing their old achivements. Right now, I would say they are screwing that up rather badly.
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2007.01.28 18:42:00 -
[838]
Some systems are incapable of drawing shadows properly when EVE is running - this can be seen when tooltips popup on some machines over EVE, and your FPS will drop to sub-10. I'm guessing if you have this much of a problem running EVE, then it's to do with something like that, as I have a friend with a far worse setup than you, and he gets 60-80 fps. ---
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Sev Stormveil
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Posted - 2007.01.28 19:12:00 -
[839]
Erm, I don't mean to sound rude but have you read all of my post (assuming you're referring to me).
I had it running beautifully 2 months ago. Come back to the game now and it's massively deteriorated - my system hasn't changed and no other game or app I have has suffered any negative performance.
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Frug
SYOID Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.01.29 05:29:00 -
[840]
delete the cache folder
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Sev Stormveil
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Posted - 2007.01.29 09:00:00 -
[841]
I should have been clearer apologies - it's a brand new fresh install, not even 24 hours old.
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2007.01.29 11:52:00 -
[842]
Originally by: Sev Stormveil I should have been clearer apologies - it's a brand new fresh install, not even 24 hours old.
It doesn't matter if your machine hasn't changed - users should always update their drivers, or atleast check for newer drivers for hardware once a month. This is a MUST, not something you can shrug off. ---
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Solbright
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Posted - 2007.01.29 12:01:00 -
[843]
Instead of pointing out stuff that isn't relevant to his current problem, how about answering his question. The obvious answer being that the Eve client is indeed generally slower since the Revelations patch.
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Sev Stormveil
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Posted - 2007.01.29 12:30:00 -
[844]
Edited by: Sev Stormveil on 29/01/2007 12:28:18 Edited by: Sev Stormveil on 29/01/2007 12:27:51 OK I'm going to put it in very unequivocal absolute terms.
* On Saturday I wiped and formatted my hard drive. * Re-installed Windows and added every single update from Windows Update * Installed the latest drivers for my graphic card from the manufacturers website * Installed the latest drivers for my sound card from the manufacturers website * I've done everything else you could possibly do to make your PC stable and up to date. * No new apps on the system since November and certainly nothing new running in the background. * I have run countless system checks on hardware and software with no errors right up to the temperature and fan speed of my hardware. * Finally I downloaded and installed the latest build of Eve directly from this website.
I'm sorry to sound like a smart-alec or rude by listing everything like that but, honestly, I just want to know if this is a recognised problem by CCP and if a fix is coming. I've given them my money this month which is money wasted. If a fix is coming in 3 months, frankly I'll find something better to do. If it's not coming at all, then I'd like to know it now before I waste even more of my time trouble-shooting their game.
Either this game has considerably more players and the server can't take it since November or there's a patching problem - I cannot stress enough that there is absolutely nothing new, broken, or malfunctioning on my system. If anything it is in considerably better shape for the game since cleaning it out and reinstalling.
I've also tried every FPS and diagnostic tip on these forums over the weekend.
To be honest, all I want to know is whether this is being investigated or not - from there I can make a decision and potentially save myself from a grab big time-consuming pain in the a*se that leaves me no better off than when I began.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2007.01.29 22:03:00 -
[845]
There is some glimmer of hope that the graphics engine rewrite for DX10 will remedy this but don't hold your breath as this will be some years off and may not be the whole reason for such poor framerates. Indeed, it'll likely be even worse framerate given CCP's past track record.
I'm not impressed either - as you can prolly tell. The client software's job is to be a game terminal and to that end presentation is pretty much it's sole function and, to me atleast, decent and steady framerate is number one on the list of presentation factors. Bottom of the list is glossy looks.
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Sev Stormveil
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Posted - 2007.01.30 12:10:00 -
[846]
Edited by: Sev Stormveil on 30/01/2007 12:06:36 The last conversation I had with tech support included a suggestion from them that today's extended patching may fix the problem with the seamless map.
I would be very pleased to hear from anyone who can check this once the patching's over and then post on here - I hardly dare get my hopes up though...
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:07:00 -
[847]
Maybe newer isn't better... my comp is a little over 2 years old, and I just recently have gotten into EVE. The only issue I have come across is that my pre-fab SB Live doesn't like the game... I don't have any visual errors, no crashes, nothing, as long as I have sound disabled... and as that doesn't take anything away from the game imo, is perfectly livable... besides, even though the music in-game is awesome, I can always run winamp radio in the background...
And if you want to whine about lag you should really try some other MMO's first, you really don't have anything to gripe about
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Sev Stormveil
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Posted - 2007.01.31 11:01:00 -
[848]
And you should really learn to read the whole story before posting....
Game worked perfectly 2 months ago, doesn't work now. And it's not lag.
Unfortunately the patch yesterday didn't improve anything for me, I'd be interested to know if anyone else has had any improvements.
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