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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2016.01.17 17:49:43 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Cahir Ceallach wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Cahir Ceallach wrote:I join EVE becasue i watch trailer Incarna "ooo walking in station i need to play this" but its 5 years and i wait and wait... :( even though they have already said they do not intend to be looking at it again you are still here? Our sexyness keeps him hooked. ;) Im be in here because for now in MMO, EVE is only mature MMO. But i still wait to play space poker in station lose and win itemes and isk ;) Technically speaking it's the *only* MMO.
Project Entropia is out since a long time, it's not some 3k online indie stuff. It's also an harsher PvP MMO than EvE is (yes I have played it).
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5697
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Posted - 2016.01.17 17:51:33 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:The world.
A long term vision. What is there after the gates and supposed new colonization? What will be the vision with new producer? CCP will make only SKINs and dresses? I dont think so, and i dont think CCP Seagull will be forever a producer for CCP. Already new vision must be developed, that comes after this one in realization. So we haven't even reached the current Future Vision and you're already suggesting we need to be looking beyond it? I mean, just as an example, Elite: Dangerous just came out with landing on planets with no atmosphere. Most of that gameplay involves just flying around over the surface or driving your rover to look for resources. One need only go to Twitch to watch people doing that and enjoying themselves for hours. And that's only the first release of landing functionality. I don't think finding new solar systems and building gates out to them to colonize them is in any danger of getting boring soon after release.
This is quite false, there are plenty of missions to do on planets, save / salvage / rescue / attack bases, shut down generators in bases and so on.
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
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Posted - 2016.01.17 18:25:25 -
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I hope for WiS one day. I may have posted in here before but don't feel like looking up past posts at work.
I'd like our CQ to be something like Playstation Home was supposed to be, minus the ungodly prices for items. A majority of stuff should be obtainable through ISK, with premium stuff for NES. I see a reason for in station environments to be a place to chill and do mini activities. Sure, it's not space or a spaceship but who cares?itd be optional content anyway
As long as long standing in game problems get fixed by CCP first.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.17 22:27:31 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Kuronaga wrote:
I said one man can build an empire without having to play with others, and that holds true to this day.
Listening and telling is interaction with others. If they are being delegated to then they are working for him and not necessarily with him as, "with," can mean an equal relationship.
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There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.01.17 23:37:51 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Kuronaga wrote:
I said one man can build an empire without having to play with others, and that holds true to this day.
Listening and telling is interaction with others. If they are being delegated to then they are working for him and not necessarily with him as, "with," can mean an equal relationship.
Are you implying these are brainless automatons? Since when lobotomized monkeys form empires?
If he is doing everything himself, its for sure a zoo or a farm, not empire.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.18 00:03:38 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Are you implying these are brainless automatons? Since when lobotomized monkeys form empires? Have you met any Goons?
Perhaps you need to do so in a WiS environment to fully comprehend this phenomenon! 
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4337
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Posted - 2016.01.19 01:15:54 -
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Remember Sid Meier's Pirates! ? The ship combat and the fencing action were kind of hard, but nothing compared to the dance floor action. One derp, and you were kaput with the Governor's Beautiful Daughter, go back to Go. WIS has to be like that.
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You never will conquer me
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3067
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Posted - 2016.01.19 13:06:23 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Remember Sid Meier's Pirates! ? The ship combat and the fencing action were kind of hard, but nothing compared to the dance floor action. One derp, and you were kaput with the Governor's Beautiful Daughter, go back to Go. WIS has to be like that.
But with exotic dancers.
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Djsaeu
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2016.01.19 13:36:15 -
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Beats me, WIS would be ok, it was used in Earth & Beyond although there were no private quarters, there were multiple places to go.
There was a bar, and trade center along with processing stations, mission stations, with the NPC's you could kinda sorta talk to, production stations, even a news center where you could hear the latest news around the universe.
I have no idea how Westwood managed it but it worked really great. The engine to drive it was sold and used to create the Sims.
When E & B shut down I was given a months sub to EVE but did not get to use it.
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Aina Aideron
Night Raven Task Force
United Interests
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Posted - 2016.01.19 18:09:46 -
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A way to have some wis features, would be to add them to some Legion areas, rather than a separate expansion. You have a central hub and market place before missions, meeting up with your corp and others in your faction, change gear with others, planning missions, journey to other planets together. Maybe one could think of wis like Dust with more opportunities to do what you want and more possibilities for interaction. |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.19 19:41:04 -
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Just imagine how immersive the role play could be, Caldari gathered for a board meeting, the Gallente having a wild night, Amarr all at an auction for sl-
I don't see how it could harm the game to better integrate it with Dust.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:38:20 -
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1501 - Kill this subject already.
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Captain Tardbar
Interstellar Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:10:55 -
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If you had Star Citizen, you'd be walking in stations right now!
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Rico Sabezan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.01.20 04:07:39 -
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star citizen is horrible. Just uninstalled the game and deleted, then sold my account for isk. get out now while you can. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2016.01.20 04:23:28 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:If you had Star Citizen, you'd be walking in stations right now!
I've seen the videos. Looks interesting.
How many people are on one server together?
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.20 06:02:35 -
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ell oh ell I just logged on to see if there was a WIS thread in GD after all this time and THERE IS! Wow.  |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.20 17:32:35 -
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Gogela wrote:ell oh ell I just logged on to see if there was a WIS thread in GD after all this time and THERE IS! Wow. We are the stalwart guard.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Rico Sabezan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.20 23:17:54 -
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after they get all these other side projects and balancing done, will they resume the walking in station stuff? or is this officially dead? |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.20 23:32:38 -
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Rico Sabezan wrote:... or is this officially dead? Probably unless they better integrate with Dust.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2738
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Posted - 2016.01.21 00:27:30 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:If you had Star Citizen, you'd be walking in stations right now! I've seen the videos. Looks interesting. How many people are on one server together?
like 16 in an instance if you are lucky
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Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Whambot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.21 03:01:46 -
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Quote:.A DEV leaked an internal newsletter where various other DEVs were discussing "gold ammo" type items (see: items you paid for via microtransactions that would give you tangible boosts in the game).
...fast forward to now and they finally succeed with skill injections |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2016.01.21 03:05:06 -
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Rico Sabezan wrote:after they get all these other side projects and balancing done, will they resume the walking in station stuff? or is this officially dead?
dead, buried and cremated |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1855
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Posted - 2016.01.21 03:25:42 -
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DaReaper wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:If you had Star Citizen, you'd be walking in stations right now! I've seen the videos. Looks interesting. How many people are on one server together? like 16 in an instance if you are lucky
My impression was that unlike EVE (and the still struggling to get off the ground fantasy single shard game PFO) they intend to divide any battle into smaller instances. Hence if you board a ship it will be a single entity in the fleet battle and the internal FPS battle will be a separate instance. Never been tempted to actually try it and see how this works in practice but it sounds messy.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.01.21 13:47:30 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:DaReaper wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:If you had Star Citizen, you'd be walking in stations right now! I've seen the videos. Looks interesting. How many people are on one server together? like 16 in an instance if you are lucky My impression was that unlike EVE (and the still struggling to get off the ground fantasy single shard game PFO) they intend to divide any battle into smaller instances. Hence if you board a ship it will be a single entity in the fleet battle and the internal FPS battle will be a separate instance. Never been tempted to actually try it and see how this works in practice but it sounds messy.
Already they are talking about making precautions to block the people from boarding other's ships, because of "griefing".
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.21 18:02:06 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:... Already they are talking about making precautions to block the people from boarding other's ships, because of "griefing". ... and this is why I push for nice things like WiS in EVE
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Aina Aideron
Night Raven Task Force
United Interests
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Posted - 2016.01.21 19:28:48 -
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If it is possible to have the result of what's happening in an instanced area affect eve, then it could be a way to have a connection between wis and eve. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2016.01.21 21:44:06 -
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This might possibly have been discussed somewhere in the first 1,050 posts, butGǪ
Would a single shard server be able to handle:
-Many human figures, with many animated moving parts. Spaceship models are rigid, relatively simple models. Some do have a few simple stock animation sequences. But the server doesnGÇÖt have to deal with animating complex human figures, in response to live twitch-control by live players.
-Also rendering 3D station interiors, on the fly. Not background textures off in the distance, as in many MMOs, and not space nebula backdrops. 3D structures, with detailed skins or whatever the details are called, plus lighting.
-And at the same time, handle all of the regular EVE things that go on outside of WIS.
Other MMOs with animated Player Character figures handle the rendering job by using multiple servers/game worlds. If, say, 10% of EVE players are WIS at once, could the server handle it? Would WIS in Jita have to be TiDi?
I suppose CCP considered all of this before they announced GÇ£Ambulation.GÇ¥ But IGÇÖm curious about the server load issues that would be involved in WIS.
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You never will conquer me
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Messenger Of Truth
Butlerian Crusade
21
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Posted - 2016.01.21 21:54:38 -
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Ok the stuff I'm going to say is probably wrong in places as I know absolutely nothing about the server architecture, so these are just best guesses - and nobody apart from a handful of CCP programmers can do more than answer your questions with anything other than guesses...but nonetheless here I go...
Khergit Deserters wrote:This might possibly have been discussed somewhere in the first 1,050 posts, butGǪ
Would a single shard server be able to handle:
-Many human figures, with many animated moving parts. Spaceship models are rigid, relatively simple models. Some do have a few simple stock animation sequences. But the server doesnGÇÖt have to deal with animating complex human figures, in response to live twitch-control by live players.
The server itself would probably only track the position/direction, it would be down to the client to track the animations. So maybe not a massive issue.
Khergit Deserters wrote:
-Also rendering 3D station interiors, on the fly. Not background textures off in the distance, as in many MMOs, and not space nebula backdrops. 3D structures, with detailed skins or whatever the details are called, plus lighting.
-And at the same time, handle all of the regular EVE things that go on outside of WIS.
Its mainly the client that has to worry about 3d station interiors, not the server. So it might not be a big deal.
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Other MMOs with animated Player Character figures handle the rendering job by using multiple servers/game worlds. If, say, 10% of EVE players are WIS at once, could the server handle it? Would WIS in Jita have to be TiDi?
I suppose CCP considered all of this before they announced GÇ£Ambulation.GÇ¥ But IGÇÖm curious about the server load issues that would be involved in WIS.
Bearing in mind each player can control one avatar or one ship, in the best case, with one-second WIS ticks the load would be barely different to the load from the character controlling a spaceship. In actual fact for walking around you would probably want ticks at closer to 10 per second so as not to look jerky. So there might be a higher load from players moving around. On the other hand, station interiors might well run on a different server to solar systems, so the load might not affect the solar system.
Anyway, I think WIS would be cool. And what would be even cooler would be if you could dock up in a station, then join a DUST or Valkyrie battle from that station!
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3742
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Posted - 2016.01.21 21:54:45 -
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The server would, but our graphics cards? That is not clear. CCP said they had multi-avatars working in test setups, but they never said how much graphics horsepower was needed. They also said the avatar engine turns down the detail as needed to get reasonable performance. But even after all that, would it work? We don't know.
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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
508
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Posted - 2016.01.22 04:46:31 -
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Graphics cards are a good bit stronger now than they were when Incarna first launched.
Of course, not in everyone's case... but some people are stubborn as hell and you just can't do a thing for them when they refuse to upgrade. |
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