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Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:04:00 - [631] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. Our industrial backbone is working great as well, so i dont get your point. We have in no way been affected by this "siege" in tpar, other then having loads of fun and getting ourselves organized with the current state of the servers. ASCN might be learning PVP from this but we are learning how to make the servers work for us as well as getting all our old timers back with the smell of blood so we are growing stronger with every fight. BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon
Hennry Fromer Gallente radiated space gerbils	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:23:00 - [632] I think I missed something in the wardecs, posts , and topics. What are BOB's goals from this war, I saw the declaration in the pendulum thread - an offer to end it in another but I can't recall seeing what the goals or victory condition are in this war. If anyone remembers seeing can you please post it here or link me to it, Thanks in advance. Trying to follow this all on the killboards and forums - This looks like a huge undertaking and a lot of work being done by all to keep it going and active so the purpose must be something great.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:29:00 - [633] Originally by: Hennry Fromer I saw the declaration in the pendulum thread - an offer to end it in another but I can't recall seeing what the goals or victory condition are in this war. I dont think they posted the war goals, at least not publically. Although its possible I missed it, too many posts to read in this section ------------------ Save Deimos!
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:30:00 - [634] We haven't stated any goals. Although I have a sneaky suspiscion that the king of the hobbits knows what the deal is. Eve Blacklight Style
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:38:00 - [635] Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. Our industrial backbone is working great as well, so i dont get your point. We have in no way been affected by this "siege" in tpar, other then having loads of fun and getting ourselves organized with the current state of the servers. ASCN might be learning PVP from this but we are learning how to make the servers work for us as well as getting all our old timers back with the smell of blood so we are growing stronger with every fight. Re-read what I said. At no place I said BOB was not working well. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:53:00 - [636] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. I understand your point and it's a good one. No one outside of ASCN knows how many losses they can really absorb. However, it's morale that will break them. It's very early days and it's great ASCN have been so aggresive, so we'll just have to see what happens over the next few months
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:11:00 - [637] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. It's a valid point, but everybody said the same when we attacked FA 18 months ago. Isk is not the glue that binds an alliance together.
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:18:00 - [638] Originally by: SirMolle Started early friday morning, at about 06.00 Evetime. ASCN, PoS and the invited V pilots, sent a major fleet over to the edge of Period Basis, roughly 200 brave pilots with reinforcements coming all morning. The system was bubbled up, with bubbles everywhere. They secured 13 POS in system, and sent in ~15 Dreadnoughts, and 10 carriers to attack and siege our POS. They even dared to put 2 of our small POS in reinforced mode. Bastards. Thankfully, the servers have been behaving all day, without node crashes, apart from the individual ones that seem to occure everytime we see a ASCN pod. Outrage. We do not like people knocking on our door when we are asleep. Today, after downtime, we made them pay. We woke up our pilots who drunkenly responded with "huh? what? ASCN trying to invade TPAR? WTF?". Needless to say, a slaughter ensued, the results can be witnessed on our killboard for those who choose to do so. At the moment of writing this, the hostile POS are dying one by one, and normality is ensured. The 250 hostile pilots in TCAG and TPAR is hiding in the wait for better weather, or, simply away washing their hair. We will not enter into a POS spamming war. We will however, make you pay dearly for each and every POS you try and set up. Count your losses, multiply that with the number of POS, and you might get an idea. Tick Tock. Hey, SirMolle Mr, I have a few questions (inquiring reporters sans frontiers asquing employed by my huge curiousity and lack of spelling abilitites). 1st - is it fun to make the drones bump yer post ? 2nd - does the "EvE favours ASCN a bit more" trend affect you in any way ? 3rd - is you kill ration higher than the ASCN build and fit ratio ? BoB: kill 500 BS a minute ASCN: build and fit how much ? Cause if you can kill 3 times what they can kill, but they can afford the losses 4 time what you can kill and are willing to get on the line to get blown up....... what has 4 legs and 1 hand? a happy pitbull
HowlerVonGrowler Caldari Neogen Industries	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:32:00 - [639] Attack is the best form of defence? prahaps ASCN aren't throwing everything at BoB? prahaps ASCN are only attempting to keep BoB in BoB space? --------------------------------------------- A drone is for life, not just for Christmas.
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:42:00 - [640] Originally by: Rina Shanu BoB: kill 500 BS a minute ASCN: build and fit how much ? Cause if you can kill 3 times what they can kill, but they can afford the losses 4 time what you can kill and are willing to get on the line to get blown up....... Assuming each pilot build a bs in a 2h30 / bs basis: 5000 bs build each 150 minutes ---> 33.3 bs build / minute... And you gotta find the factory slots too Anymore "question" of this type?

Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:57:00 - [641] Originally by: Auman Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. I understand your point and it's a good one. No one outside of ASCN knows how many losses they can really absorb. However, it's morale that will break them. It's very early days and it's great ASCN have been so aggresive, so we'll just have to see what happens over the next few months yes very true. Morale is all what EVE is about (this answers to your remark Alasse Cuthalion too) Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:04:00 - [642] Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... If we use hac we use them... Rule of warfare is we can use any ships we want. ASCN is growing to more pvp and so has AXE. We have proven this that we will stand up. As you also should know... Only a few AXE member help ASCN unless called apon. If ASCN wanted AXE full blown force, then you know what would happen. AXE and ASCN are becoming a large pvp & indutrial alliance. We cover our losses in one day even if over 100 Battleships get blown up. Also "leader" might smack talk in forum, but so does everyone else, specially you right now. Nothing is going to change this smack talk deal on forums. You just got to be there to get the truth. Cheers Amior Sweet, loose 100 ships everday all i care. you say iam smacking, well i say the truth. why define that as 'SMACK', in your case its a disperate word that hides your self contempt. No my little girl, you dont have a secret army of ORKS, eve is not a battlefield 2 with unlimited respawns were its ok to die, and axe aint Superman Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:16:00 - [643] Originally by: Rina Shanu 1st - is it fun to make the drones bump yer post ? Gotta agree with this one. Maybe it has something to do with BOB not having the popularity they used to. A year ago most posters would be 3rd party supporting BoB, now it's just BoB... Sorry to say, not so cool.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:21:00 - [644] Originally by: Naqq Originally by: Rina Shanu 1st - is it fun to make the drones bump yer post ? Gotta agree with this one. Maybe it has something to do with BOB not having the popularity they used to. A year ago most posters would be 3rd party supporting BoB, now it's just BoB... Sorry to say, not so cool. I know, it's crazy to think we would want to talk about a big war that actually involves us and debating with our enemies over battles, tactics and kill/death ratio. Insane isn't it but surprisingly, it happen's Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:25:00 - [645] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Naqq Originally by: Rina Shanu 1st - is it fun to make the drones bump yer post ? Gotta agree with this one. Maybe it has something to do with BOB not having the popularity they used to. A year ago most posters would be 3rd party supporting BoB, now it's just BoB... Sorry to say, not so cool. I know, it's crazy to think we would want to talk about a big war that actually involves us and debating with our enemies over battles, tactics and kill/death ratio. Insane isn't it but surprisingly, it happen's Actually I was refering to the first ~10 replies made only by BoB shrugs Ps. Don't be a ****
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:36:00 - [646] If i misinterpreted Naqq, i apologise Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:39:00 - [647] Edited by: welsh wizard on 09/10/2006 11:40:08 Aye the whole 'industrial backbone' is obviously very useful but moral is the great decider. If you can take good heart at knowing your industrial capabilities are awesome then good for you, its a big advantage. In my experience though, constantly exploding ships tend to be the biggest moral booster/buster. In this game moral decides the outcome of war. You've got to start operating surgically ASCN, don't throw fleets at them without careful consideration first. How could you use your numbers to gain a better advantage? Perhaps 400 people (plucking random numbers) in one place is not such a good idea? Field equal numbers on the main front and send the rest elsewhere. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:44:00 - [648] Originally by: Naqq Gotta agree with this one. Maybe it has something to do with BOB not having the popularity they used to. A year ago most posters would be 3rd party supporting BoB, now it's just BoB... Sorry to say, not so cool. oh noes :( ---
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:47:00 - [649] Originally by: fire 59 If i misinterpreted Naqq, i apologise No hard feelings bro, gl hf
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:52:00 - [650] Originally by: Lone Bear Originally by: Rina Shanu BoB: kill 500 BS a minute ASCN: build and fit how much ? Cause if you can kill 3 times what they can kill, but they can afford the losses 4 time what you can kill and are willing to get on the line to get blown up....... Assuming each pilot build a bs in a 2h30 / bs basis: 5000 bs build each 150 minutes ---> 33.3 bs build / minute... And you gotta find the factory slots too Anymore "question" of this type? Anytime. So, what you are saying is taht they could build up to 33 BS a minute ? Theory ......... Well, let's say they build 10 fully fitted BS a minute. That is 600BS / hour. They need the pilots to fly them I guess......... Image removed, not appropriate for this site. -Suvetar took you some time... what has 4 legs and 1 arm? a happy pitbull

Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:55:00 - [651] what's the system status atm? BoB or ASCN claim? Stop flaming and start providing info for people if you are making this a public thread ffs =/ - BH
Gama24 Gallente No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:08:00 - [652] Edited by: Gama24 on 09/10/2006 12:08:10 TPAR is currently BOB's country.
andynoble	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:10:00 - [653] Think BOB and ASCN should join up and fight CCP!! and get the lag/crashes sorted out, as many of us simply cant pvp at the moment. I know my corp doesnt show up, cant't seem to get it to work, so I'm EDF and ASCN.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:12:00 - [654] Edited by: Butter Dog on 09/10/2006 12:12:22 Originally by: Auman I understand your point and it's a good one. No one outside of ASCN knows how many losses they can really absorb. However, it's morale that will break them. It's very early days and it's great ASCN have been so aggresive, so we'll just have to see what happens over the next few months As they are WILLINGLY taking the fight to your space, I'd say it looks like they are enjoying themselves. They have near unlimited resources to fund the war, they are learning, they are clearly having fun. If anything, their morale is probably better than before the war started. As I am sure yours is. Wars bring alliances together, and make them stronger, provided they are enjoying them which you both seem to be doing.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:20:00 - [655] Originally by: Beyond Horizon what's the system status atm? BoB or ASCN claim? Stop flaming and start providing info for people if you are making this a public thread ffs =/ For clarification; BoB holds the station and system sovereignty and has done so every day thus far. BoB had two small control towers put in to reinforced and later destroyed on the first day, nothing less and nothing more. ASCN deployed 13 large towers, so far 10 have been destroyed and 3 remain in reinforced mode at the time of writing.
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:21:00 - [656] Originally by: Rina Shanu Anytime. So, what you are saying is taht they could build up to 33 BS a minute ? Theory ......... Well, let's say they build 10 fully fitted BS a minute. That is 600BS / hour. They need the pilots to fly them I guess......... You were arguing about industrial strengh, now you re putting in the human factor... ...Open up your calculator, check minerals requirements, factory slots requirements, bpc requirements (bpo+bpc time copy+ bpc buying), then add build time. Mix it up, add a bit of travel time. I'm not saying they can build 33.3 bs / minute I used theorical numbers with each member of ASCN building a BS using bpc/bpo with a good/average ME, refering to your "1st" post where you were asking if we were efficient enough compared to their supply ability... But well, with this post you have answered your own question which was: Originally by: Rina Shanu "BoB: kill 500 BS a minute ASCN: build and fit how much ? Cause if you can kill 3 times what they can kill, but they can afford the losses 4 time what you can kill and are willing to get on the line to get blown up......." You can't match such a number of BS killed per minute (which is "a bit" high ) by building only.
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Communist Vikings Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:25:00 - [657] The sole purpose of such a propaganda machine is to demoralise the enemy. Time will tell if it works - It seems to have served BoB well in the past though. Lots of haters for both sides kicking about; Seems pretty obvious the arrogance of BoB is mostly front, if you instill a picture of being unassailable (and back it up with results, again & again) you've already got a major advantage. If people are nervous going into the fight, they're making mistakes they wouldn't normally. That said, if the industrial backbone of ASCN is even half of what people hint, and they stick to it, this won't be an easy campaign by a long shot. Good luck to all
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:25:00 - [658] Originally by: Sprak Originally by: Roxanna Kell Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] Add 3 carriers to that count and countless fighters [approximately the cost of 1 BC each] This numbers are 99% accurate. But there are some further points to discuss. Node crashed about 10 times during these engagments (except at the late one b4 dt on saturday, where the 12 BoB losses occured) At that engagment combined forces of ASCN/AXE/POS had better kill/loss ratio than BoB. Check the killboards for forther intel (7.10.2006 between 05:55:00 - 07:41:00 according to AXE killboard). The most BSs BoB killed on the rest of the engagments were easy kills, when the node crashed and the won the login race. I say most not all, not to get flamed here. I am not saying that these are not kills and they have to be removed from the killboards, but u cannot get killed from some1 who is currently login and not loaded yet. So that explains the big diference on the kill/loss ratio on the ASCN side. BoB is maybe the best PvP alliance in the game. They have supperior engagment tactics, great FCs and they had won the most of the engagments anyway, even if the node didnt crashed. But claiming 70 and 50 and 30 BSs kills bcs u guys won the login race is a bit odd. Again u would have won those engagments anyway, but we have killed some BSs of urs too. 70 kills and 0 loss is a fact only bcs the node crashed. I know ppl who tried to login hours later after the node crashed while jumping in, only to get ganged at the gate. I know ppl who were at the pos b4 the node crash and after the node crash they login at the gate, only to get ganged. So u got the kills and thats fair enough. I am trying only to explain why we didnt get ours as well here :-) ----------------------------------
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:26:00 - [659] i have no doubt that we will brake ASCN morale long before there industrial backbone, but when thats broken theres arent long to the industrial backbone, who wanna keep producing bs to corpmates who loose em faster then it takes to enter a new into the factory slot. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:27:00 - [660] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle - "We are the best" - "You should all hold us in awe" - "We are slaughtering ASCN" - "We rule" - "We owns everyon" I wonder how long SirMolle will allow BoB members to make a fool out of themselves? You'll get about 5 BoB replies along the line of 'stfu fanboi nub' now...



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