part of what reward?

and i presented a balanced argument so i don't know what he's on about vOv

Sure I do. They let me learn faster, and I believe that a bonus like that should stay the way it is. A choice between learning, ship boosts, or simply not risking implants out on the field.

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All this puts off people from engaging in risky activities, which is bad for the game and the other players. The most people in space to meet / fight, the better.


Remove the learning implants. Lower / Remove the medical clone price.

I am sure that quite a lot of people here disagree with the proposal just because a goon posted it- so they think there simply has to be some secret, evil agenda behind it.
Funny, how far this hatred can go.

Obvious goonswarm testicle troll is obvious.

Obvious Mittani link is obvious.

Nobody cares what you think.

I'm sure quite a lot of people here will ignore all the downsides that have been clearly pointed out to this proposal, and think people who don't like the proposal must just have something against the goons.

I have first hand experience with this.

My own brother started playing EVE recently. Yesterday I asked if he wanted go along with me on a 2 man roam to be my tacklebro. He didn't want to go because he would have to travel 40 jumps to get to where I was and he would have to podjump to get there quickly, wiping out his +3s I gave him.

Instead he logged off and played some starcraft.

This is a bad thing for EVE.

Now what a kind person you are...

Maybe I wouldn't care about my opinion, too, if I were you.
But I do care about the proposal, because I think it is a very good idea and would help me- a desperate carebear that got stuck in highsec forever- a great deal to have more fun in eve.

The main argument people are posting here is: evil 0.0 alliances would profit from it (true. everybody would profit), so I am against it. They would rather see that nobody gets such a nice benefit, since the mere idea that their hated archenemies would get the same benefit is just unbearable for them. ...

Could you please sum up these downsides ?


Because so far, I have read mostly the Risk vs Reward argument.
i.e. you play without implants (no risk, no reward) or you play with (risk and reward).

But you do not mention the third option :
You don't play, so you still get the reward and have no risk. How can that be good for the game ?



If a mechanic makes some people prefer not playing, it is a bad mechanic.

Pretty sure that if they remove learning implants they will likely give us stat boosts to cover the missing +5 to each skill.

Obvious goonswarm testicle troll is obvious.

Obvious Mittani link is obvious.

Nobody cares what you think.

Your reasoning is bad.

Downsides:
1) It will kill the already floundering lp stores
2) How exactly is ccp going to reimburse people who paid a tone of isk for learning implants that are now worthless?
3) It will be a huge isk sink that is lost
4) It will be a large area of the market and economy will just all of a sudden stricken.

Why? Well because people want bubbles to hold pods and others don't want to train a bit slower for 24 hours. Sorry thats not really all that great.

No it's not. My point is that people have enough incentive to avoid risks already, and the learning implants are an unnecessary burden. They prevent certain people to participate in some parts of the game, which is bad.


Hell, it doesn't even changes anything to the outcome of a fight, since they are not combat-related. What does it change that your target has or hasn't attribute enhancers ?





1) So the LP store is floundering ?
2) Really ?
3)You have data behind that ?
4) If so, how can this represent a large area of the market ?
5)And why would economy stricken ?

6) The ISK sink will not change : people will still use their LP, which will sink the same amount of ISK.

7)Regarding the reimbursement, I don't care.

so uh, who are you?

...and would help me- a desperate carebear that got stuck in highsec forever- a great deal to have more fun in eve.

I would be free to get some casual pvp in lowsec whenever I want, that's all that matters to me.

Have a nice day.

Learning implants discourage playing the game ("having fun") and instead turn it into a paint drying simulator where players are discouraged from going out on that enjoyable destroyer op because "noo my +5s".

oh, and i secretly think the guys in my corp get a little rise out of it when they hear on TS that their only verified female corp-mate is 'flying naked'

Currently the implant process contitutes a significant isk sink to the game with the LP payments going to the NPCs, how do you propose to balance the impact to the economy with simply removing them?

Side note: Maybe add an insurance process for implants akin to ships? In theory also an extra helpful game ISK sink. This would help to irradicate some of the risk aversion associated with implant use.

... who will refuse to PvP because they have a billion ISK in implants in their head they don't want to lose ...

You have a valid point. CCP proposed the idea to the CSM so I bet they have an idea ready. Personally I would say that removing learning implants will encourage more PvP. The increased loss of ships will spur the purchase of new ships which in turn moves the economy all around. It is quite possible that the removal of learning implants itself can be the payoff. I know many people who will refuse to PvP because they have a billion ISK in implants in their head they don't want to lose and then replace. Take that out of the equation and they would go out and either kill a bunch of other ships or lose their own.

I would say no to the insurance idea. We really don't need to break that anymore than it already is. Frankly I am to the point where I believe insurance shouldn't even exist. What company in their right mind insures something that is being taken out to be deliberately put in danger with such a high risk of damage?