Posters attitude is typical of high sec carebears like him. The point of learning implants is to give an advantage to people who don't die and create a greater death penalty for people who die and are bad at pvp. This is something he might find exciting and intriguing if he were to join an actual corp and move to 0.0, which I recommend for him.

Learning implants are exactly like the old learning skills. They provide strong motivation to avoid playing the game, an effect which has a particularly strong effect on newbies.

Get rid of learning implants, add more combat implants.

As the main implant importer and seller for TEST, I can do nothing but support this despite what it would mean for my business ventures.

I have first hand experience in not undocking which led me to not actually playing for my first six months since a friend gave me my first +5s. He thought he was doing me a favour but it nearly made me one less player instead.

butthurt

This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.

Don't worry. We're spreading the joy with carebears now.

http://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=302845
http://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=302865

No need for wartargets, here. I'm even paying out bounties for delicious KMs like these.

This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.

Your links are broken :(

Don't worry. We're spreading the joy with carebears now.

http://tinyurl.com/butod8t (Full slave set, 1.0 space)
http://tinyurl.com/c76wqvu (nearly a full set of +5s, also 1.0 space)

No need for wartargets, here. I'm even paying out bounties for delicious KMs like these.

Edit to fix terrible link issue.

This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.

rage

Oh noez, you can gank naked pods.

Do you not understand that we are proposing additional implants to exist, simply not learning ones?

Yes, certain implants should be more special to others. Learning is sacred, and should not be lost just because I choose to live in null. I want the benefits of null, but not consequences.

Yes, certain implants should be more special to others. Learning is sacred, and should not be lost just because I choose to live in null. I want the benefits of null, but not consequences.

Here I thought I established that one need not live in null to suffer these particular consequences.

Selective bias is the best kind of bias.

I kept trying to rationalise keeping learning implants but not sure if I can, however I think I have come to the conclusion that it is not the learning implants that are the barrier as In my High Sec clone I have more combat implants that are just as expensive that I would also not want to risk losing.

I would rather shorten the jump clone timer to say 12hrs. that said I still think that the combat implants are more interesting to use and so would probably still support the proposal.

Reduced jump clone timers would work in a pinch, but in my opinion learning implants are dumb and, well, nobody has come forward with a reasonable objection to their removal, just forum alts parroting "RISK RISK RISK" crap.

Risk should only apply to ppl other than myself. Empire carebears should have their pimpboats ganked and lose everything they own, that's fair risk. But I should be able to get podded with zero loss in null bubble. Because I'm not a hypocrite like that.

Learning implants are exactly like the old learning skills. They provide strong motivation to avoid playing the game, an effect which has a particularly strong effect on newbies.

Get rid of learning implants, add more combat implants.

It does sound reasonable like that.

I personally like that dying and losing a pod is a big deal, but if they replaced the learning attributes with more combat stats, then there would still be a good reason to get implants.

Except you won't be as compelled to put combat implants in a pod that'll get bubbled. Oh wait, that's the whole point - ensure your null podkill produce zero loss.

WOW is that way ->

Learning implants are just as bad as learning skills.

Implants grant you bonuses. Some bonus learning speed, others bonus combat stats. Simple as that. The argument for removing attribute implants could also be applied to gunnery/missile hardwirings. There is no difference. Eve is very much a game about choices. You can learn faster or you can be cheaper or you can use pirate/FW implants for other bonuses. But you must make a choice and that's important in games like eve. The simple fact is you don't need implants at all to raise your skills, it just takes slightly longer without them. Care to know what the difference between my +5 set and a +3 pirate implant set is on the 50d skills I train nowadays? About 5 days. 24 hours of being in the +3 combat implants isn't going to make more than maybe an hour or two difference on that.

I'm ok with adjusting the clone jump timer, hell I'm ok with setting it to a simple 30s session change timer. But the attribute implants are nothing like the learning skills. Learning skills costed basically nothing and you didn't lose them when you got podded. Implants you do. Using implants, even attribute ones, is no different than slapping some faction gear on your ship other than it's obviously strapped to your pod instead.

Hi, this isn't about combat implants (or hardwirings) at all, or about faction implant sets, this is about learning implants exclusively.

You aren't planning to use hardwiring anyway, but are unwilling to part with learning bonus. Stop believing in your own lies. All you goon noobs want is to be able to get podded at zero loss.

I won't be the first to point out the irony of talking about aversion to risk while posting from an NPC corp forum alt.

Hi, this isn't about combat implants (or hardwirings) at all, or about faction implant sets, this is about learning implants exclusively.

Reducing the jump clone timer (or removing it out right) has the same effect so vOv you're just rambling

Although I do fear that it'd lead to ~strategic~ placement of jump clones and allow large alliances to essentially run multiple campaigns at once in opposite sides of the galaxy and be able to react far better to attacks on allies, again, in opposite sides of the galaxy. Have you considered that? Replacing learning implants with +5 to the base values of all five attributes is a better solution.

Removing attribute implants means you can just self destruct your pod and instantly jump across eve as well. The only practical difference here is changing the timer doesn't remove an important game element. That said, I'm completely fine with things the way they are in regards to implants/clone jumping and I think you'll find that most others are as well.

And as has been stated, if the thought of losing 50M isk in implants keeps you from pvping, then I'm pretty sure you wouldn't risk that 60M isk drake either. So yeah, you aren't going to pvp in this game no matter what I happens I think.

Reducing the jump clone timer (or removing it out right) has the same effect so vOv you're just rambling

You're entitled to your opinion but I think it's a good game mechanic. You pay isk to train skills faster and risk losing that bonus if you engage in risky activities. What is so wrong with that?

Reduced jump clone timers would work in a pinch, but in my opinion learning implants are dumb and, well, nobody has come forward with a reasonable objection to their removal, just forum alts parroting "RISK RISK RISK" crap.

This reminds me of an old thread that had a fairly interesting proposal on how to fix this problem.

The idea was more or less to have learning boosters that temporarily (maybe 24h) give you a boost in an attribute, each taking a different booster slot, each giving a bonus in a different attribute, coming in different grades ranging from +1 boosts to +5 boosts.
These implants would not stack with implants so if you already have implants the boosters wouldn't do anything, unless the booster effect is higher than the implants. So if you have +3 implants and inject a +4 booster you will have a +4 bonus for the duration of the booster.
I personally liked this idea since it mean that I for a small cost can PvP without losing training time and not having to risk my learning implants, while at the same time having the drawback that I would have to spend some extra isk each time I want to PvP.

Near as can tell, the jump clone timer is helpful for keeping folk from bouncing from one end of space to the other at will and with no consequences. Sort of like the old jump bridges, come to think of it; at least, that was the argument made for nerfing them. But anyways.

Essentially, the current system encourages players, especially nullsec and lowsec residents, to develop a "home base," because it prevents a nullsec resident from bouncing to high-sec at will to grind ISK, then instantly jumping back to null for a fleet op, or jump cloning for a fleet op in Stain and then jumping back to Geminate to run sanctums. So currently, jump cloning has moderate drawbacks, and forces a player to weigh whether jump cloning is worth it, or whether he should wait or find an alternate route for accomplishing what he wants. Removing the timer might lead more players to live in high-sec and only jump clone up for major fleets, reducing null population. Or it might not, for those players who already have high-sec alts grinding missions or incursions. I do know that it'd be nice to be able to hop down to high-sec once in a while for PvE without worrying about missing a fleet op.

Also not sure whether removing the learning implants is good or bad, if only because they probably serve as a useful ISK and LP sink. The big issue with learning skills was that they (1) were functionally mandatory and (2) kept players from getting into ships and doing fun stuff early on because they felt compelled to train learning skills. Learning implants aren't considered mandatory, because their effects are relatively small, to the point where players who actively PvP won't bother to inject implants into the game, the training time for them is fairly short, and the +1 to +3 implants are cheap enough that even active PvPers can afford to replace one or two of them, while new players can probably save up enough to buy them without it significantly affecting their gameplay, if at all. At least, I had no issue affording a full set of +3 implants when I started, and a set of +4 implants was a nice goal once I got into a battleship.

Those at risk of losing implants through PvP have to make a choice between faster training time or losing ISK when podded. But that's fairly similar to the effect learning implants had on new players, even if older players should be able to balance cost and benefit better, so I wouldn't consider it a terrible loss for the game if learning implants were removed. If attributes are boosted as well, then it would definitely be a minor benefit for those who actively PvP, though doubt it would really affect newer players all that much.

Removing attributes themselves sounds kind of messy, and I'm not sure who it would really benefit, if anyone. New players already start off with a generic attribute distribution, and so aren't locked into anything. Nor does the game force a player to remap attributes. This character spent two years with an even attribute distribution, because I had no real idea what I would train even two months down the road and didn't want to be locked into a training plan; even though others were training faster than this character, I don't think attributes or remap timers really hurt me in any way, or stopped me from having fun, but maybe I'm just an oddball. In general, I like meaningful choice, and it seems as though attributes and remaps provide that -- a player who knows what he wants can remap and train for it quickly, while a player who doesn't can stick with an even attribute distribution and train slightly slower, but with the option of training for something else at any time.

stopped playing eve because of learning implants. 5 times. In a row. Now i have two metal plates in my brain. Feels cold.

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You missed the point, which is: I should be able to get podded with zero loss, while having +5 specs, because I, goon grub, am entitled to it.

Once again, let me ask why people are still clinging to the arbitrary restrictions on their fun?

Why do you cling on arbitrary entitlement of +5 while having fun? Or arbitrary zero loss when podded? Action and consequence, where's yours?

Train without +5, problem solved. What? You're entitled to +5?

Train without +5, problem solved. What? You're entitled to +5?

I think the real damn problem is that it would take 37.5 years to train all skills to 5. Which is ridiculously stupid. Skill training has been seriously flawed from the beginning. It is horrendously slow, and takes entirely too long. EVE isn't going to be around forever people, or atleast not this incarnation of it. It is almost nine years old. I think at max training time of say 4-6 years is more in line with reality.

I think at max training time of say 4-6 years is more in line with reality.

I think the real damn problem is that it would take 37.5 years to train all skills to 5. Which is ridiculously stupid. Skill training has been seriously flawed from the beginning. It is horrendously slow, and takes entirely too long. EVE isn't going to be around forever people, or atleast not this incarnation of it. It is almost nine years old. I think at max training time of say 4-6 years is more in line with reality.

You don't have to train every skill to level 5

Are you seriously considering training every racial capital including titans, to 5, all combat subcap ships, mining ships.

Add to that skills in market production, and research, and god knows how many category.


Just a hint, you don't need to. Go for basics. If you have ridiculous amounts of personal isk to buy a titan you can buy a char as well.

I can nearly perfect train a market alt in about a month, that is where the real isk is anyway.

Not supported.

Losing the ship is one level of hurt, losing the imped clone should remain a second one. That argument "it would remove a barrier to PvP" fails when looking at the REALLY expensive implant sets - the typical learning implants are just a pittance compared to the values a number of players (even PvPers) have in their skulls.

"Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" - you can extend that sentence to your implants as well.

Losing the ship is one level of hurt, losing the imped clone should remain a second one. That argument "it would remove a barrier to PvP" fails when looking at the REALLY expensive implant sets - the typical learning implants are just a pittance compared to the values a number of players (even PvPers) have in their skulls.

"Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" - you can extend that sentence to your implants as well.

People are not patient. All the time I see posts about increasing learning speed, getting back skill points, giving people unallocated skill points, letting people (through an obscure method) buy skill points. This whole thread is a GÇ£we want to train fasterGÇ¥ thread. That is never going to change. Attribute implants are just a scapegoat that people can focus on.

Meh. I got podded the day before Crucible and lost three +4s. It's entirely possible to simply choose to accept the risk of losing those implants. Also, don't shove every implant in your head that will fit. Only buy what you need.

You might as well propose removing all expensive implants as well. Faction sets cost a lot of isk and no one wants to risk those in nullsec, so let's just drop them from the game to save you from jumping clones.

All skills lvl V for everyone. Problem solved.

1.Kill learning implants with proper compensation.

Newbies don't generally have the option to only plug in two implants based on what they're training, though.

Please read the OP instead of blindly extrapolating from the first two sentences.

If you are really going to remove learning implants, RECYCLE THEIR ICONS!

Attribute boosts aren't "proper compensation?"

white noise posting

If you are really going to remove learning implants, RECYCLE THEIR ICONS!

All combat implants with the same icon is a pain in the ass, use the icons of learning implants to make them more distinguishable like grouped by gunnery/navigation/shield/armor etc.

Im in favor of flat rate to train 1x skill, everything is a multiple thereof. I've dealt with and said many times that I cannot do XXX because I'm remapped as YYY/ZZZ for the next QQQ months.

I support this proposal and will be pushing it come Wednesday in the meetings.

Better yet, I'll mention it over beer in Islenskibarrin on Tuesday before the summit. That's how much I love you.

Do that and you have my vote for the next csm.

Replace them with more combat and useful implants so that people will still get podded with 100m implant sets if they want to win at war.

Problem solved.

Goons don't use hardwiring for their drakes.

I don't know if you are being clever or mentally challenged.

5/10

Of course the Goons in null and their 2 month old playerbase are going to push this. This is only a benefit to null groups who dont normally use implants due to the risk which is what I thought the game was about. Sadly enough and I hate to use the term, its null sec carebearing. They can't use implants, their low sp playerbase (which goons are known for) doesn't use them due to risk. So hey lets all push getting rid of them and up the learning speed 5x. Its bogus and a misuse of the what the CSM was created for. Especially as the CSM including null sec in general is just a joke nowadays. Tell you what CCP, make this change and advance every older player their +5x accelerated learning from the past 8 years.

Next years proposal, get rid of sp, everyone can use everything. Pfft get real.

Goons, proceed to troll/throw out cornball insults. /endrant

Oh yea, lets get rid of remaps as well.

I won't be the first to point out the irony of talking about aversion to risk while posting from an NPC corp forum alt.

Look how dumb you are

Lol if "look how dumb you are" is the best retort you have I think this battle of wits goes to him.

I couldn't even put a number on the amount of times I have seen people say "I would come but I have 15 hrs. left on my clone :( ".

Learning implants are an unnecessary shackle.

Newbies don't generally have the option to only plug in two implants based on what they're training, though.

Please read the OP instead of blindly extrapolating from the first two sentences.

cripes I don't know if you're a troll or merely an idiot

1) I don't personally care about losing implants. I can easily replace them and I routinely fly around with +4 sets (don't care to train Cybernetics V) - hell, people routinely fly around with combat implants. Aversion to loss isn't the point behind this thread. It's an issue that affects newbies with limited sources of income.
2) This isn't even about losing implants, it's about "Sorry guys I jumped back to my empire +5 clone so I can't play eve online with you" and "seriously what the hell is the point of learning implants"
3) Nullsec and wormhole residents are at a serious disadvantage over those in highsec (or even lowsec) who are virtually immune to losing pods if they are paying attention and fairly quick on the "warp out" button. You can comfortably do things in empire with your implants - nobody would say the same about nullsec.

Take your "nullbear" bullshit elsewhere, thanks.

They do if they train cybernetics and run missions to get the isk. There is no reason you should have everything handed to you just because your a noob.

That is part of the risk of living in an area with no law. Why exactly shouldn't there be disadvantages to living in 0.0 ? Seeming that the pros far outweigh the cons.

Not to mention that if someone JCs to highsec before an Op, they are morons. Plain and simple. If someone JCs to highsec to train in +5 implants.....well, they can do that sitting in any one of your numerous station systems.

I'm saying that new players don't follow hyperoptimized skillplans focused on two attributes. "Only buy what you need" doesn't really apply.

Im in favor of flat rate to train 1x skill, everything is a multiple thereof. I've dealt with and said many times that I cannot do XXX because I'm remapped as YYY/ZZZ for the next QQQ months.

I don't engage in "battles of wit" with cowards hiding behind forum alts.

Because no one is sneaky in EVE amirite?

Gosh you are SOOOO cool for being a nullbear ranger living a life of virtual danger AND calling people cowards...in a video game.

I'm saying that new players don't follow hyperoptimized skillplans focused on two attributes. "Only buy what you need" doesn't really apply.

I don't engage in "battles of wit" with cowards hiding behind forum alts.

No, but new players are also generally using +3s at most, have ****-poor attribute maps (I know I did) and aren't generally operating on anything resembling a plan. If we're going to base everything in this on what players do in their first few months, I've got some suggestions...

Visual skill trees ala Diablo 2 without needing Evemon would be pretty cool for newbies.

Right now it's just a bunch of books and show info.

If you want skill trees layed out for you then go play WoW or Rift.

"Go play this other game, EVE should be undocumented and bad"

EVE is in no way undocumented or bad. EVE is fairly unique and should stay that way. I'm sorry if people want the game to be "dumbed down" because they are incapable of understanding something more complex than a game that has your plan laid out for you from day 1.

btw, the game already has this, they're called "certificates." go unsub over CCP dumbing it down.

and if u remove the learning implants u can also remove the costs for re-upgrading ur clone.(or remove the clone feature altogether) cuz if u can calculate ur loses only in ship cost alot more peapole would stop being carebears and start some pvp

and if u remove the learning implants u can also remove the costs for re-upgrading ur clone.(or remove the clone feature altogether) cuz if u can calculate ur loses only in ship cost alot more peapole would stop being carebears and start some pvp

Then go yell at EVEMon's developers?

I just thought of something that was fairly interesting to me....

The guys here in Null want learning implants to go away. I also saw a few of you asking for more combat implants. My question is this...

If you already unwilling to lose 600m worth of +5 learning implants, how can you justify more high grade and low grade combat implants when they're going to cost 700-2b isk with Omega ? If you won't lose simple +5 implants then I highly doubt that you'll ever use combat implants.

I just thought of something that was fairly interesting to me....

The guys here in Null want learning implants to go away. I also saw a few of you asking for more combat implants. My question is this...

If you already unwilling to lose 600m worth of +5 learning implants, how can you justify more high grade and low grade combat implants when they're going to cost 700-2b isk with Omega ? If you won't lose simple +5 implants then I highly doubt that you'll ever use combat implants.

They know that already, which is the whole point. It's just a distraction, silly. The whole point is to remove consequence from Eve. I should be able to get podded with zero loss.

I'm saying that new players don't follow hyperoptimized skillplans focused on two attributes. "Only buy what you need" doesn't really apply.

Can you tell me the pros of living in nullsec?

Increased income? High-sec L4s and incursions have marginally lower payouts with substantially decreased risk.
Safe, secure sov space? Sure, and the risk of losing everything when you lose your space and it gets trapped in a station, with no way out but spies or retaking.

Incursions, that is a different story. However, donGÇÖt they have much better ones in nullsec?

Supported. Long since given up on learning implants. Whether something takes 19 days or 16, who cares?

I'm mixed on this topic.

Attribute implants make up a decent part of the eve market. I'm not sure just ripping it out is a good idea. Would all the attribute implants I own just vanish with no reimbursment?

But there is definitely a problem with people not wanting to go into null sec because of bubbles.

What if you could warp your pod out of a bubble? The risk in null sec would be the same as the risk in low sec/high sec.

Yes, certain implants should be more special to others. Learning is sacred, and should not be lost just because I choose to live in null. I want the benefits of null, but not consequences.

Pods would make nearly unstoppable scouts - probably not a good thing.

Second, EVE is about taking every damned advantage you can over another player. Buffing EVERYONE only lessens the chance of superseding someone else because you're equals. All players now training at the same speeds to get to their first battleship at the same time will now all get that battleship at the same time. However, if someone gets that implant in, they'll train faster to that battleship to beat out their competitors sooner. Advantage implant user.

I always liked the 'implant' portion of the game.

Even more so now that a pod kill shows the expensive implants you have popped.

I guess, but the 6-10 slot ones are expensive too, nobody is clamouring for them to get removed.

Those "nobodies" aka goons are too cheap to use hardwirings. Young minds are eager to learn though...

On one hand, it's about choice. You can put a +5 set and go PvP (theoretically) or you can stay docked, or you can just not use a +5 set at all and go anywhere, anytime you want. It is probably to give players some choices that those learning implants where implemented in the first place.

On the other hand, when most players see themselves required to choose always the same option, then the "choice" became illusory and that option became for all purposes a mandatory one.

Sometimes I wonder if the struggle, while the most apparent, is in fact just the second most important feature of the game. Apparently, a lot of players considers that progression, their sacred skill training, comes first.

I acknowledge the problem. People should not see themselves excluded from the multiplayer aspects of the game because this kind of stupid reasons. I'm just not so certain what the best solution is.

I acknowledge the problem. People should not see themselves excluded from the multiplayer aspects of the game because this kind of stupid reasons. I'm just not so certain what the best solution is.

risk aversion

...yet you post from an alt

if you can't realize that your opinion is absolutely invalid, I cannot help you

Lol, I don't see why this alt thing is such a big deal? Same person despite the character. They don't agree with you and your response is to call them cowards and go on and on about alts. Come back with a real response. Dude grow up. Clown.

EVE is in no way undocumented or bad. EVE is fairly unique and should stay that way. I'm sorry if people want the game to be "dumbed down" because they are incapable of understanding something more complex than a game that has your plan laid out for you from day 1.

Fly what you can afford to lose... If you can't lose your pirate implants, or your +5's, then don't use them.

How much of an isk sink are implants for the eve economy?? I'm willing to bet its quite significant...

why do learning implants exist?

How can their continued existence be justified?

You need them to train your hyperoptimized per/will skillplan as fast as possible, sure, but why should you need them to begin with?

They discourage people from playing EVE.

losing your ship in a bubble is a surefire way to get podded

On one hand, it's about choice. You can put a +5 set and go PvP (theoretically) or you can stay docked, or you can just not use a +5 set at all and go anywhere, anytime you want. It is probably to give players some choices that those learning implants where implemented in the first place.

On the other hand, when most players see themselves required to choose always the same option, then the "choice" became illusory and that option became for all purposes a mandatory one.

Sometimes I wonder if the struggle, while the most apparent, is in fact just the second most important feature of the game. Apparently, a lot of players considers that progression, their sacred skill training, comes first.

I acknowledge the problem. People should not see themselves excluded from the multiplayer aspects of the game because this kind of stupid reasons. I'm just not so certain what the best solution is.

Hey I've got a better idea let's remove the skill descriptions. That way EVE will be even more unique and less dumb than WOW. People should figure out what ''tactical logistics reconfiguration'' does by themselves.

No seriously graphical skill trees aren't dumb or WOW, they're just logical. Having to click on every single skill OR use a third party program/wiki to figure out the skill dependencies is a bit ********. I actually did just that but it would just make more sense for it to be included in the game.

Being lazy is not a valid reason to change the game

idgaf about this anymore, tbqfh, but it's clear that you're an elitist jerk and should get out~

idgaf about this anymore, tbqfh, but it's clear that you're an elitist jerk and should get out~

Funny, you haven't made a constructive comment here in at least 3 pages. All your doing is calling people out for using forum alts.

Anyway I'm not going to argue with some 16 year old. Go attempt to insult people elsewhere kid.

And that is the problem right there in the proverbial nutshell. The "elitist jerk" is like that because he actually enjoys a game that challenges him and knows how to play correctly. You guys are whining about flying in +5's and losing them and oh no what if i die and get podded and lose all my implants. how is that fair???

New proposal, every time you get podded instead of getting a new noob ship (which from the sound of some of these posts many of you don't belong in anything else) everyone just gets a set of slaves or crystals.

and the fact that andski's only defense to ANY point against his proposal is to insult the poster in some way proves how care bear this idea is.

Funny, you haven't made a constructive comment here in at least 3 pages. All your doing is calling people out for using forum alts.

Anyway I'm not going to argue with some 16 year old. Go attempt to insult people elsewhere kid.

Lol, this is just getting pathetic, Andski is just reaching now. You either call someone a mean name or change the subject. Now you are on the topics of supers. Ugh, do us all a favor and drop corp and move up to high sec. Your idea ain't gonna fly, it sucks, but time to move on.

I find it hard to believe that goons give two sh*** about newer players all of a sudden.

You could do the game more benefit by not scamming every knucklehead who thinks you guys are worth joining.

I must be a psychic cause as Judge Dredd would say, "I'd knew you'd say that"

You know what buddy, we are all stupid, you are the special one. That is the same thing I tell my friends mentally ill brother mongo. You can be my special boy mongo, err I mean Andski.

New Andski proposal:

Remove forum alts from the boards!

My proposal, make people use their real names on the boards, perhaps our special boy wouldn't be so quick to toss around unclever insults. =P

Happy holidays!

Lol the game should be easier for older players. The learning curve in this game is what we all love about it., and it is definatly not getting steeper. Just because you and your lot can't grasp the concept of using a jump clone properly doesn't warrant ccp dumbing down the game. "to the detriment of the new player" my @$$. The server constantly has almost double the amount of people it did a few years back.


This game being geared toward the older player is how it should be. Its a reward for sticking with the game. Being able to afford and use expensive implants is one of the benefits. If you don't like the risk head back up to high sec or stfu and go back to WoW. :) They keep things simple for you and nothing bad will happen when you die. Apparently that really does suit you better.




and for the record insulting somebody doesn't discredit their point, just makes the fact that you have no intelligent response that much more apparent.

Lol the game should be easier for older players. The learning curve in this game is what we all love about it., and it is definatly not getting steeper. Just because you and your lot can't grasp the concept of using a jump clone properly doesn't warrant ccp dumbing down the game. "to the detriment of the new player" my @$$. The server constantly has almost double the amount of people it did a few years back.

This game being geared toward the older player is how it should be. Its a reward for sticking with the game. Being able to afford and use expensive implants is one of the benefits. If you don't like the risk head back up to high sec or stfu and go back to WoW. :) They keep things simple for you and nothing bad will happen when you die. Apparently that really does suit you better.

and for the record insulting somebody doesn't discredit their point, just makes the fact that you have no intelligent response that much more apparent.

Let me pretend to be Andski for a sec...


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