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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1097
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:35:00 -
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It's a curious question - why do learning implants exist? How can their continued existence be justified? You need them to train your hyperoptimized per/will skillplan as fast as possible, sure, but why should you need them to begin with?
Let me begin by highlighting the problems with learning implants:
- They discourage people from playing EVE. You're still paying your subscription, sure, but you're not playing the game. You don't want to jump to your empty/combat clone and lose a day of "optimal" training so you can have some fun, and then have to jump back to your training clone the next day.
- This affects nullsec (especially wormhole) players doubly so - losing your ship in a bubble is a surefire way to get podded. People in Empire still have a better chance of warping their pods out of harm's way, and thus have no qualms about running missions or otherwise ~flying in space~ with their implants, unless of course they are at war. That, however, is not our playstyle.
- They are seeded exclusively through LP stores rather than being made in-game entirely.
- Characters that need pirate faction implants for any reason (supercapital pilots with slave/nomad sets, freighter/JF pilots with nomads, etc.) are essentially stuck with +3s. But this isn't about pirate implants.
So what I'm proposing is removing learning implants entirely. There is just no need for them. Add 5 base points to every attribute. Remove learning bonuses from all other implants and set all base attributes to 22 points. It's trivial. Leave the Cerebral Accelerator implant as is - 25 "effective" base points for all attributes for the month isn't quite gamebreaking. A refund plan would not even need to be considered - those who had +5 sets will still have the same bonus, those who had +4 sets will have a better bonus, and it doesn't put anyone at a disadvantage.
It's a simple change, it doesn't throw anything out of balance, and it just makes sense. Why the hell not? |
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:38:00 -
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Posters attitude is typical of high sec carebears like him. The point of learning implants is to give an advantage to people who don't die and create a greater death penalty for people who die and are bad at pvp. This is something he might find exciting and intriguing if he were to join an actual corp and move to 0.0, which I recommend for him. |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
393
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:43:00 -
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Supported. |
Travis Wells
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:43:00 -
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i support this idea |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
393
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:43:00 -
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Mumble leak:
(5:42:25 PM) Sverige Pahis: wow is that test guy ******** or trolling
(5:42:27 PM) Sverige Pahis: idgi |
Oden Jules
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:56:00 -
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You can't explain that. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:57:00 -
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Learning implants are exactly like the old learning skills. They provide strong motivation to avoid playing the game, an effect which has a particularly strong effect on newbies.
Get rid of learning implants, add more combat implants. |
Fal1en
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:03:00 -
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I couldn't even put a number on the amount of times I have seen people say "I would come but I have 15 hrs. left on my clone :( ".
Learning implants are an unnecessary shackle. |
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:04:00 -
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Learning implants, Jumpclone timers and learning stats are just arbitrary barriers to fun.
Pointless and redundant. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
223
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:08:00 -
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Faife wrote:Posters attitude is typical of high sec carebears like him. The point of learning implants is to give an advantage to people who don't die and create a greater death penalty for people who die and are bad at pvp. This is something he might find exciting and intriguing if he were to join an actual corp and move to 0.0, which I recommend for him.
This is Faife and he is posting. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
162
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:12:00 -
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GODDAMN LEARNING IMPLANTS |
thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:21:00 -
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Maybe if they put in some posting implants. |
Major Spag
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:32:00 -
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To hell with it, plus rep for everyone here!
Except faife, **** that guy. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
123
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:34:00 -
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wat gud is lurnin anyway? |
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:40:00 -
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Remove attributes, remove implants, remove remaps.
All skill learning multipliers can remain the same on skills, but the basic 1x skill is a fixed time. All other skills work as a multiple of the fixed time.
This doesn't remove customization, it simply removes ARBITRARY BARRIERS FOR FUN. |
Gerard Gendri
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:43:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Learning implants are exactly like the old learning skills. They provide strong motivation to avoid playing the game, an effect which has a particularly strong effect on newbies.
Get rid of learning implants, add more combat implants.
I have first hand experience with this.
My own brother started playing EVE recently. Yesterday I asked if he wanted go along with me on a 2 man roam to be my tacklebro. He didn't want to go because he would have to travel 40 jumps to get to where I was and he would have to podjump to get there quickly, wiping out his +3s I gave him.
Instead he logged off and played some starcraft.
This is a bad thing for EVE. |
Nil'kandra
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:50:00 -
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As the main implant importer and seller for TEST, I can do nothing but support this despite what it would mean for my business ventures.
I have first hand experience in not undocking which led me to not actually playing for my first six months since a friend gave me my first +5s. He thought he was doing me a favour but it nearly made me one less player instead. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
224
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:05:00 -
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Nil'kandra wrote:As the main implant importer and seller for TEST, I can do nothing but support this despite what it would mean for my business ventures.
I have first hand experience in not undocking which led me to not actually playing for my first six months since a friend gave me my first +5s. He thought he was doing me a favour but it nearly made me one less player instead.
While we're on the subject, can you bring me a few sets of +3 perception and willpower implants to Nakah? You can just open a tab for me, TIA |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
259
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:10:00 -
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Andski wrote:butthurt 
This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended. |
Nil'kandra
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:16:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Andski wrote:butthurt This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.
Don't worry. We're spreading the joy with carebears now.
http://tinyurl.com/butod8t (Full slave set, 1.0 space)
http://tinyurl.com/c76wqvu (nearly a full set of +5s, also 1.0 space)
No need for wartargets, here. I'm even paying out bounties for delicious KMs like these.
Edit to fix terrible link issue. |
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:16:00 -
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Let's have more combat implants instead! More implants that actually affect the game! |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
224
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:18:00 -
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Your links are broken :( |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1104
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:19:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Andski wrote:butthurt This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.
cripes I don't know if you're a troll or merely an idiot
1) I don't personally care about losing implants. I can easily replace them and I routinely fly around with +4 sets (don't care to train Cybernetics V) - hell, people routinely fly around with combat implants. Aversion to loss isn't the point behind this thread. It's an issue that affects newbies with limited sources of income.
2) This isn't even about losing implants, it's about "Sorry guys I jumped back to my empire +5 clone so I can't play eve online with you" and "seriously what the hell is the point of learning implants"
3) Nullsec and wormhole residents are at a serious disadvantage over those in highsec (or even lowsec) who are virtually immune to losing pods if they are paying attention and fairly quick on the "warp out" button. You can comfortably do things in empire with your implants - nobody would say the same about nullsec.
Take your "nullbear" bullshit elsewhere, thanks. |
Nil'kandra
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:19:00 -
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Yeah I fixed them. EVE-O forums seems to turn an "&" into an "&" when redirecting. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
259
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:20:00 -
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Nil'kandra wrote:Goose99 wrote:Andski wrote:butthurt This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended. Don't worry. We're spreading the joy with carebears now. http://tinyurl.com/butod8t (Full slave set, 1.0 space) http://tinyurl.com/c76wqvu (nearly a full set of +5s, also 1.0 space) No need for wartargets, here. I'm even paying out bounties for delicious KMs like these. Edit to fix terrible link issue.
Oh noez, you can gank naked pods. |
thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:21:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Andski wrote:butthurt This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.
Do you not understand that we are proposing additional implants to exist, simply not learning ones? I think you need an implant in real life. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
259
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:21:00 -
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Andski wrote:Goose99 wrote:Andski wrote:butthurt This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended. rage 
Can't take the heat? Don't go into the kitchen. |
Nil'kandra
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:22:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Nil'kandra wrote:Goose99 wrote:Andski wrote:butthurt This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended. Don't worry. We're spreading the joy with carebears now. http://tinyurl.com/butod8t (Full slave set, 1.0 space) http://tinyurl.com/c76wqvu (nearly a full set of +5s, also 1.0 space) No need for wartargets, here. I'm even paying out bounties for delicious KMs like these. Edit to fix terrible link issue. Oh noez, you can gank naked pods.
Losing three billion in implants in 1.0 space.
Working as intended.
EDIT: Whoops, forgot my smugglasses. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1104
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:23:00 -
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Just ignore the alt-posting threadshitters and this discussion will be ~dandy~ |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
259
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:25:00 -
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thetwilitehour wrote:Goose99 wrote:Andski wrote:butthurt This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended. Do you not understand that we are proposing additional implants to exist, simply not learning ones? 
Yes, certain implants should be more special to others. Learning is sacred, and should not be lost just because I choose to live in null. I want the benefits of null, but not consequences. |
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