Yes, certain implants should be more special to others. Learning is sacred, and should not be lost just because I choose to live in null. I want the benefits of null, but not consequences.

Yes, certain implants should be more special to others. Learning is sacred, and should not be lost just because I choose to live in null. I want the benefits of null, but not consequences.

Here I thought I established that one need not live in null to suffer these particular consequences.

Selective bias is the best kind of bias.

I kept trying to rationalise keeping learning implants but not sure if I can, however I think I have come to the conclusion that it is not the learning implants that are the barrier as In my High Sec clone I have more combat implants that are just as expensive that I would also not want to risk losing.

I would rather shorten the jump clone timer to say 12hrs. that said I still think that the combat implants are more interesting to use and so would probably still support the proposal.

Reduced jump clone timers would work in a pinch, but in my opinion learning implants are dumb and, well, nobody has come forward with a reasonable objection to their removal, just forum alts parroting "RISK RISK RISK" crap.

Risk should only apply to ppl other than myself. Empire carebears should have their pimpboats ganked and lose everything they own, that's fair risk. But I should be able to get podded with zero loss in null bubble. Because I'm not a hypocrite like that.

Learning implants are exactly like the old learning skills. They provide strong motivation to avoid playing the game, an effect which has a particularly strong effect on newbies.

Get rid of learning implants, add more combat implants.

It does sound reasonable like that.

I personally like that dying and losing a pod is a big deal, but if they replaced the learning attributes with more combat stats, then there would still be a good reason to get implants.

Except you won't be as compelled to put combat implants in a pod that'll get bubbled. Oh wait, that's the whole point - ensure your null podkill produce zero loss.

WOW is that way ->

Learning implants are just as bad as learning skills.

Implants grant you bonuses. Some bonus learning speed, others bonus combat stats. Simple as that. The argument for removing attribute implants could also be applied to gunnery/missile hardwirings. There is no difference. Eve is very much a game about choices. You can learn faster or you can be cheaper or you can use pirate/FW implants for other bonuses. But you must make a choice and that's important in games like eve. The simple fact is you don't need implants at all to raise your skills, it just takes slightly longer without them. Care to know what the difference between my +5 set and a +3 pirate implant set is on the 50d skills I train nowadays? About 5 days. 24 hours of being in the +3 combat implants isn't going to make more than maybe an hour or two difference on that.

I'm ok with adjusting the clone jump timer, hell I'm ok with setting it to a simple 30s session change timer. But the attribute implants are nothing like the learning skills. Learning skills costed basically nothing and you didn't lose them when you got podded. Implants you do. Using implants, even attribute ones, is no different than slapping some faction gear on your ship other than it's obviously strapped to your pod instead.

Hi, this isn't about combat implants (or hardwirings) at all, or about faction implant sets, this is about learning implants exclusively.

You aren't planning to use hardwiring anyway, but are unwilling to part with learning bonus. Stop believing in your own lies. All you goon noobs want is to be able to get podded at zero loss.

I won't be the first to point out the irony of talking about aversion to risk while posting from an NPC corp forum alt.

Hi, this isn't about combat implants (or hardwirings) at all, or about faction implant sets, this is about learning implants exclusively.