High sec production? Yes.

Secondly I don't hate NS

That's not possible.
Ignorance doesn't magically change how reality works.

Whatever you do affects someone else ...
... even absense of influence, because you could have.

There is not a single thing you can do ...
... nowhere, ever ...
... that doesn't so somehow have effects on others.

Maybe try being less ignorant, self centered and antisocial.

Ha... yeah, right.

You do realize this is a game right?

1) Just because you think LOW and NULL are cool places to hang out with your time, many others don't.
2) Those others want fun things to do as well, things THEY think are fun, not you!
3) Let me repeat the 1st one for you.... Not everyone wants to play this game the way you do, but still want to play it. This may mean you don't always get your way; which is nerfing HS to get players to go to unsafe space so you can play with them.
4) THIS IS THE BIG ONE HERE: After only a few months, maybe 6; you have all the money you need to play solo for free and fly any ship you want.

And like every game ever made you need it to be balanced well. If the safest area of space provides the best income why would anyone go to the more dangerous areas that require more effort, investment and risk?

no its the fact that they are making the most amount of isk while undocked in the game with practically 0 risk. on a system based on risk vs reward its totally not within that system

This is seriously harder than you think it is. Sure, you will generate a few ALODs from dingleberries who go AFK on gates or autopilot through Uedama/Niarja in their incursion boat, but actually ganking people in the sites isn't all that easy.

Now...if the rats didn't shoot people with high Sansha's Nation standings...Oh yes.

Good luck finding 100+ gankers who are wiling to blow these things up at a massive loss.

Wormhole space is the most dangerous in EVE, it is no one elses fault if you don't understand that.

Carriers. You need CARRIERs, in the single most dangerous par tof EVE space, to match or exceed what can be made in HIGH SEC protected by concord while using su caps.

Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Oh come on it's like you guys don't even care about reality anymore.

11 catas easily takes out boosters and faction fit battleships. There's been a few incursion related ganks lately proving that. Then again those people aren't being lazy and poopooing on the forums they are actually out there doing it. Hell I could do it on my own but it's not worth my time to go to highsec.

Think hitting taking out a HQ fleet's boosters midsite won't cause some issues?

Telling people to go attack others doesn't fix the problem that highsec PVE pays more than null PVE.

Good luck finding 100+ gankers who are wiling to blow these things up at a massive loss.

You need ONE carrier one dreadnaught and a couple other ships. Bammo +800m an hour with less effort than incursions.

You could in theory do it without the carrier but it'd require a lot more effort.

Incursions dont even come close to wormholes as far as income.

Reading all that's been said the best options to lower the income of Incursion runners are the following:

1. Run the Incursions yourself. More competition lowers individual income. (Works on the market as well as we all know.) .

The "if you can't beat them, join them" logic is always a flawed argument.

Otherwise we would all be flying with Baltec1 or (insert other giant Alliances here).

Another way to put it:
You don't end greed by being more greedy than the other guy.

Hey guys!
...
Stop complaining about systems that effectively put isk in your wallets. Or would you like CCP to make something more interesting again ?

Confirming drifters should regularly show up in incursions and doomsday carebear loot piniata's. This would be an acceptable risk offset to how incursions are simply being farmed right now. Truly, why bother going to null when all that delicious ISK is just waiting for you to hop into an incursion channel in hisec...

Nerf incursions.

That is all.

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Except this is a CCP game so more people being greedy would show the imbalance even more and more than likely get it fixed if they see it needs to. Look at most of the past "controversial" changes that happened and I would bet you can remember history of such things getting used more and more before it got revised by CCP. It took months after drone mods affecting fighter really generated much complaints because the usage was rather limited. Once more people jumped on the bandwagon, the complaints got traction. Same for drone assists.

If incursion are as game breaking as people try to make it sound in this thread, CCP won't have a choice but to intervene if too many people do it or risk the economy slipping away.

It's a stupid way to deal with stuff IMO but it seems to be the one that player can do so ...

At the end of the day, there are ways to stop something you don't like in this game. "Just do it!"

Incursions dont even come close to wormholes as far as income.

There aren't ways to stop it. Sure you can spend a few billion trying to gank them at a huge loss but why would people waste their time to do that? Unlike Freighters these ships travel in gangs with large tanks, logi support, often boosters and can open fire right back at you. Ganking doesn't work on actual fleets. Ganking is done for profit, something the people of highsec cant seem to grasp. Killing the mom early was done for a while but ended because again, where is the gain for the people ending it early? Its not fun and it doesn't get you anything worth more than keeping it alive. You cant wardec these people as they are protected by NPC corps and you cant attck them in any normal way due to concord protection.

No, when something is out of whack in terms of reward the only viable way to deal with it is to close the abuse, something CCP has been forced to do many times in the past.

You need ONE carrier one dreadnaught and a couple other ships. Bammo +800m an hour with less effort than incursions.

You could in theory do it without the carrier but it'd require a lot more effort.

One carrier is right. And that one Carrier is in WORMHOLE space not protected by CONCORD, in space where the content can be exhausted (you can't keep wormhole pve going like you can an incursion). If someone is bold enough to take or build a capital ship in unprotected space in order to make money, that is the game working as intended. That's risk/reward done right.

Since you are not willing to beat them (incursion runners) at their own game (getting their sites so the income goes to you instead of them), then I guess you will have to wait for CCP to deem it important enough to change something about it. Which can be anywhere between the june release and the end of time.

Why are you still posting here instead of beating the war drums to motivate people to run them to the very limit to force CCP to do something about something oh so broken? Every 15 minutes wasted here is at least 1 site not getting run.

All good, folks like me will make a fortune off the unbalanced things till then lol.

This is the problem with people, they can't be honest enough or objective enough about things to call it like it is. While I don't like a lot about Goon types, at least they are honest about unbalanced things while at the same time they are exploiting them, and I do the same thing which is why I have both a incursion alt and a faction warfare alt. What I no longer have are alts to experience any substantial risk while filling my space wallets with space bucks