160 x 1.25 = 200m/s with Navigation V.

So if you go with a MicroAux and BCU in the lows, are there any crazy things you can pull out of this ship?

You most certainly are going to if the PWG stays that way. I don't really get the whole effort on making the PWG so tight, there is really no need to sanction 10mn AB fits given that their speed will be laughable at best.

Thanks for doing some of the necessary calcs on fits.

You might want to look at a sebo or targeting rig. That extra tank (and sig radius) you have is going to be eating away while you watch your targeting circle spinning on your opponent.

10mn AB - Rockets, yes! especially post propmod tieracide. Can even do 10mn + MSEII with an ACRI and a navy aux core. Comes out with ~3PG and 30CPU with all 5s and no implants with the soon to exist compact and a navy power core. Till then, a cheap 3% for PG should make it work. Would need to drop the MSE to get it with LMLs.
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I am so used to battleships that it doesn't bug me. Mostly fly either solo bastionades, shield vigilants or incursion battleships, so waiting for things to lock isn't something I think about alot.

Heh. I'm thinking that this ship is going to need to apply damage quickly to succeed. Nobody is going to stay around to brawl it out with those webs.

edit. Was hoping for more viable LM fits, just to mix up the meta. If everyone can guess your setup and you are slow, you are not going to do well. Agree that this should be a decent PVE ship though. A couple more points of PG and I could resign my opposing views...

Hello everyone! We're now ready to share our current designs for the Jackdaw-class Caldari Tactical Destroyer.

Jackdaw
Caldari Tactical Destroyer Bonuses Per Level:
5% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile Launcher rate of fire
5% bonus to Shield Hitpoints
5% reduction in heat damage generated by modules

Defense Mode:
33.3% bonus to all shield resistances while Defense Mode is active
33.3% reduction in ship signature radius while Defense Mode is active

The Propulsion mode bonuses on the Jackdaw provide a huge agility bonus and a smaller speed bonus, the opposite of the earlier T3Ds. When out of propulsion mode the Jackdaw turns like a slow cruiser, but when it enters propulsion mode it gets the agility of an extremely agile frigate.

Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 160 / 6.4 / 1,050,000 / 4.5 / 9.32s

Signature radius: 70

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Can't wait for the Gallente one with Sentry drones no doubt.

The PG is a skosh lower than I would like to see. A buff of 2 PG lets you rock a full t2 setup like thus

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Without any implants, that should fit with all skills 5, with .5 PG and .5 CPU if you give it said buff

It would be beautiful if you'd release the EFT files or whatever you use for us to play with when you rebalance/release ships. Colour me lazy but it'd probably improve the standard of feedback you receive.

EFT and PYFA are developed by player 3rd party and CCP has nothing to do with them.
Having said that the stats are in the first post, if you don't want to wait for creators of said applications to update their software I suggest grabbing a calculator, a pen and doing calculations by yourself. All speed/tank/dps formulas are avaible in web.

EFT and PYFA are developed by player 3rd party and CCP has nothing to do with them.
Having said that the stats are in the first post, if you don't want to wait for creators of said applications to update their software I suggest grabbing a calculator, a pen and doing calculations by yourself. All speed/tank/dps formulas are avaible in web.

Lets find out..... Will be working on this for a bit, expect a couple asinine but amusing fits.

Concepts I will be trying for:
LSE - Not without implants, which I'm not willing to muck with when hand hacking the spreadsheet for this. Not even dual MAPC, with 2x t2 ACR
10mn AB - Rockets, yes! especially post propmod tieracide. Can even do 10mn + MSEII with an ACRI and a navy aux core. Comes out with ~3PG and 30CPU with all 5s and no implants with the soon to exist compact and a navy power core. Till then, a cheap 3% for PG should make it work. Would need to drop the MSE to get it with LMLs.
LASB- Also a practical no. Might be just barely possible with implants.
MWD + 2x MASB - yes, without fitting mods, and with a BCS for rockets.
MWD + 2x MSE - Op success. nearly perfectly eats the PG difference between 10mn compact AB and t2 1mn MWD

Oh god, please not another Gallente sentry powerhouse. Isn't the Ishtar enough for you afk'ers?

Yeah but with only 2 lows and you not using any BCUs or DPS rigs your at about 223 DPS with T2 Ammo, faction ammo drops you down to around 185 DPS. A little low for today's T3Ds.

Swap a low for a BCU and you are up to 274 T2 and 227 faction which is much better, but you are giving up a lot of tank dropping the DCU or fitting for the MAPC. Your third fit could drop the speed mod, but you are already using a 1MN prop and the base speed is ridiculously low.

I like the good design which causes choices but the base speed and dps of this T3D is so far the weakest of the 3.

Yeah but with only 2 lows and you not using any BCUs or DPS rigs your at about 223 DPS with T2 Ammo, faction ammo drops you down to around 185 DPS. A little low for today's T3Ds.

Swap a low for a BCU and you are up to 274 T2 and 227 faction which is much better, but you are giving up a lot of tank dropping the DCU or fitting for the MAPC. Your third fit could drop the speed mod, but you are already using a 1MN prop and the base speed is ridiculously low.

I like the good design which causes choices but the base speed and dps of this T3D is so far the weakest of the 3.

No argument here. Moving one mid to a low, or giving it 2-5 more base grid would really help to bring this up closer to par.

Well light missiles are a low dps weapon after all. This is why they have 31 km range base compared to say scorch pulse which has 11. Spike has 30 km but does even less damage. You would be correct though in that no bcu is always wrong. I would consider putting all the brick in shield and dropping the dcu if you must put a microaux on it.

My biggest issue with this ship is the speed using the intended 1MN sized afterburner. I understand the need for trade offs but having AB speed outside of prop mode be worse than a cruiser bothers me. Even in prop mode it only becomes average. I would like to see an increase in base speed.

What if you added to the prop mode an additional AB speed bonus? This would at least make prop mode with a 1mn AB have the feel of a special role/mode boost. I think a T3D with an AB, in prop mode, should be close to an AB frigate excluding interceptors, of course.


Compare this T3D to the Caldari missile Assault Frigate. The Hawk has more speed, smaller sig, better resists, better scan res, active tank, 50% reduced MWD penalty, and 50% missile velocity while having 1 less launcher, 1 less mid, and kinetic lock.

The Jackdaw has to go into Def mode to have the resists and sig, has to go into prop mode and is still slower, has to go into sniper mode to get 16% more missile velocity, much better targeting range, and still have less scan res.

I was excited when the Jackdaw was announced because I thought it would be hands down better than a Hawk. But the Hawk is better than Prop mode; with its active tank, T2 resists, and smaller sig, might be better than Defensive mode; and is competitive vs sniper mode, though the Jackdaw wins here.

My hope is there can be some small tweaks to make the Jackdaw as good as the Hawk while in a given mode. With, as I have stated, speed being the biggest limitation.

The biggest draw for me to use the Jackdaw over a hawk right now is the damage selection and the high/mid slot. But that seems a little underwhelming compared to the other T3Ds.

All that said, I still am excited for T3Ds in general and appreciate the hard work CCP has put into bringing us a new ship class.

Wow, hate drones much? Okay, it was already announced it will be a Hybrid Gun ship, so you can stand down.

I feel like they should just list the stats with 'all V' when they post, just so peoplebwho forget skills exist, will stop cluttering the thread with trash.

To clarify this is really an issue of some people comparing apples, unskilled stats, to oranges, skilled stats. Some people are fine when they compare apples to apples. By listing all v stats, ccp will cause everyone to talk in oranges instead of mixing them. I think that made sense.

Maybe im just crazy

You still forgot the fact the jackdaw has the buffer of a bricky cruiser. And ten effective unlocked launchers to the hawks locked eight.