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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
565
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Posted - 2015.06.09 11:51:19 -
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Personally I'd just fit a passive EM hardener and an em rig rather than the invul, because it's cap expensive and if it shuts off so does 18% of your resists in EM. FWIW that jackdaw does have respectable cap but you have no injector and iirc the confessor/svipul are still faster with an extra spare high which will present some problems for you if they elect to run even a single small neut and let you burn your cap with the micro. You would cap out in 53 seconds. Even less when considering the invul, painter and damp. 30 seconds.
I'd be very careful about flying this ship in pvp especially against another t3d.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1093
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Posted - 2015.06.09 12:09:36 -
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SFM Hobb3s wrote:HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:SFM Hobb3s wrote:I like the jackdaw for small gang/brawling potential. Anything bigger than that, and its pretty much useless. Especially as LML configuration. Forget kiting big fleets with this hull. At least with the confessor you can make that work. And if your stuck with any kind of tidi, you'll be so much more happy that you stuck with confessor. You will at least have instant damage application with your lazors. And from what I could tell, much more consistent damage application. Jackdaw burns through rockets like crazy... Got a 8.4km rage range and it fires the second volley before the first even hits... I'm going to be spending a lot on ammo for this thing.... assuming it survives that long. It does burn through them, but therein lies the other reason for going rockets instead of LML, rate of fire. I can see a lot of situations when brawling when the quick rate of fire is going to make all the difference between wrecking or getting wrekt. Especially when you are fighting small ships, you don't want to explode because your quarry survived the first volley and popped you before your second volley even goes off. Once again another reason to love the confessor.
A garmur in a 40-45km orbit at 7km/s is already safe from sharpshooter LMLs. That's like snakes only if I'm not mistaken. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
565
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Posted - 2015.06.09 12:33:10 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:SFM Hobb3s wrote:
It does burn through them, but therein lies the other reason for going rockets instead of LML, rate of fire. I can see a lot of situations when brawling when the quick rate of fire is going to make all the difference between wrecking or getting wrekt. Especially when you are fighting small ships, you don't want to explode because your quarry survived the first volley and popped you before your second volley even goes off.
Once again another reason to love the confessor.
A garmur in a 40-45km orbit at 7km/s is already safe from sharpshooter LMLs. That's like snakes only if I'm not mistaken.
I forced one off today. They're not completely safe I'd say. To that effect I always carry a standard crash booster to up the meagre dps as well. When my garmur friend warped off he had about 30% armour remaining.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Dato Koppla
Konvict Cartel The Asylum.
852
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Posted - 2015.06.10 03:16:20 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:SFM Hobb3s wrote:HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:SFM Hobb3s wrote:I like the jackdaw for small gang/brawling potential. Anything bigger than that, and its pretty much useless. Especially as LML configuration. Forget kiting big fleets with this hull. At least with the confessor you can make that work. And if your stuck with any kind of tidi, you'll be so much more happy that you stuck with confessor. You will at least have instant damage application with your lazors. And from what I could tell, much more consistent damage application. Jackdaw burns through rockets like crazy... Got a 8.4km rage range and it fires the second volley before the first even hits... I'm going to be spending a lot on ammo for this thing.... assuming it survives that long. It does burn through them, but therein lies the other reason for going rockets instead of LML, rate of fire. I can see a lot of situations when brawling when the quick rate of fire is going to make all the difference between wrecking or getting wrekt. Especially when you are fighting small ships, you don't want to explode because your quarry survived the first volley and popped you before your second volley even goes off. Once again another reason to love the confessor. A garmur in a 40-45km orbit at 7km/s is already safe from sharpshooter LMLs. That's like snakes only if I'm not mistaken.
7km/s orbit requires both MG Snakes and links, you'd be able to get only around 5.5-6 with just links or just snakes, cold. When linked + HG Snaked Garmurs are immune to pretty much every kind of anti tackle weapons except Lights from another Garmur or an Orthrus.
Coming back to the Jackdaw, it's completely outclassed in the LML role. Flycatcher does it much much better. It's faster and has much more reliable range since going into sharpshooter gives your 'kite' D3 the speed of a plated Cruiser. Flycatcher has more dps, more alpha, 5 mids so it gets just as much utility as the Jackdaw does. The fitting is quite solid and it can fit LMLs quite comfortably while maintaining a tank. Most importantly, Flycatcher gets an application bonus (which is absolutely huge for killing frigs) and allows it to use fury against tackled frigates and against other destroyers.
The only things the Jackdaw has going for it in an LML role is marginally better tank in speed mode, and much better tank in defense mode (which is basically just a last ditch effort if you get scram/webbed and try to kill the tackler). Also much better agility, which is the only real advantage in a kiting LML setup. The rest of the 'advantages' doesn't really matter for the role.
Either rocket brawl or go home with the Jackdaw IMO. CCP has pretty much pigeonholed it into that role by nuking the speed. This is pretty much exactly what they did to the Corax which is easily one of the least flown dessies from my experience. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
566
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Posted - 2015.06.10 03:37:44 -
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Corax is a fleet vessel. When used in a fleet it is vicious. Not everything has to be great in solo and not every solo ship scales well in fleets.
Jackdaw can kind of go either way.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Dato Koppla
Konvict Cartel The Asylum.
852
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Posted - 2015.06.10 05:02:43 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Corax is a fleet vessel. When used in a fleet it is vicious. Not everything has to be great in solo and not every solo ship scales well in fleets.
Jackdaw can kind of go either way.
That's a bad argument cause the Talwar completely outclasses the Corax, better fittings, faster, same dps, same alpha, same range AND it has an MWD sig bonus which makes it significantly better in fleets. The only thing the Corax gets is an extra mid which it can't fit because of the horrendous fittings lol.
There's just absolutely no reason to use a LML Corax for anything. Ever.
If you've seen Suitonia's recent video on the Corax, its speed is so bad, that it's like 10m/s faster than a 1600plate Maller, which is pretty much the slowest Cruiser out there. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
566
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Posted - 2015.06.10 05:30:58 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:Corax is a fleet vessel. When used in a fleet it is vicious. Not everything has to be great in solo and not every solo ship scales well in fleets.
Jackdaw can kind of go either way. That's a bad argument cause the Talwar completely outclasses the Corax, better fittings, faster, same dps, same alpha, same range AND it has an MWD sig bonus which makes it significantly better in fleets. The only thing the Corax gets is an extra mid which it can't fit because of the horrendous fittings lol. There's just absolutely no reason to use a LML Corax for anything. Ever. If you've seen Suitonia's recent video on the Corax, its speed is so bad, that it's like 10m/s faster than a 1600plate Maller, which is pretty much the slowest Cruiser out there.
Here is a reasonably cheap fit that I've used when flying in fleets and doing FW plexes. Why this fit? It smashes frigates off the field in 2 hits.
[Corax, corax lml]
Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Prototype Sensor Booster 1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
3% cpu implant required. Really all this ship needs is like 10cpu and it's good to go.
It's a glass cannon, but as a dark eldar player that's the kind of thing I do.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Runjuan Junhom
Das Raumfahrer Syndikat The Volition Cult
0
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Posted - 2015.06.11 07:35:06 -
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Any News when it will be add to EVEMON ?
Regards
Runjuan |
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
44
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Posted - 2015.06.11 20:52:02 -
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Runjuan Junhom wrote:Any News when it will be add to EVEMON ?
Regards
Runjuan Heh yeah, just finished training "Unknown IV"
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Suzuha Yamada
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7
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Posted - 2015.07.05 10:06:08 -
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I love my jackdaw soooo much. Having shield rechargers and a cap recharger makes it one kick ass passive shield tank. But yeah vulnerable to neuts as i found... |
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