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Maqari Kinraysuwa Oruze Cruise 59	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:17:19 - [31] - Quote Lim Yoona wrote: I'm gonna vote with my wallet on this one and cancel my subs. This used to be a good game maybe one day it'll get better. After this crop of small gang devs goes to Riot. Good
Skit Khamsi Viziam Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:17:53 - [32] - Quote I think you should advance to start searching for a new job. Thank you for the death of my favorite games.
Thirdsin The Red Island Foundation Shadow Cartel 18	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:17:57 - [33] - Quote Pants on head.... 4000m/s is not a fix. Reducing the time it takes to troll sov is not a fix. I genuinely don't understand how CCP doesn't "get it" at this point after the ridiculous amounts of 'feedback' about this.... I can't even...
MindSweeper Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 0	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:18:08 - [34] - Quote thank god
Current Habit Rusty Pricks 49	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:18:44 - [35] - Quote Especially the response here makes me think t his is a step in the right direction.
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1787	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:19:42 - [36] - Quote Disabling prop mods while hacking should still be a thing. What about node decay? Edit: Let me clarify. If you do decay will it be node by node (each one has a timer, or a % on the contest? Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Creator of Burn Jita Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
its my cyno Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:20:31 - [37] - Quote why not make it to where entosis ships aren't immune to warp bubbles or even make it unfittable to warp immune ships. why not make it risk adverse to attack a sov? Example: if you want to entosis sov items you have to put forth an isk amount. If you win the sov battle you get the isk back and the sov if you lose the isk goes to who you attacked. Those that are serious about sov will put forth effort and risk ships and conflict. You are making it worth to just have 1 system to make capitals and just live in NPC space
Alphaomega21 Amok. Goonswarm Federation 28	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:20:53 - [38] - Quote Feawen wrote: Alphaomega21 wrote: This literally changes nothing. You have essentially made it easier for people to troll sovereignty in space people use and done nothing to address the barrier of entry to sovereignty trolling. This is a repeat of the Ishtar "nerfs" where a rethink of the problem is needed not a small tweak. If you want to fix the problems with the new sovereignty system vastly reduce the number of nodes so people will have to fight over them rather than just capture more than the other guy. Also there needs to be a real barrier of entry to starting a sovereignty attack even rather than having a sovereignty laser and an interceptor If you don't address the issue of sovereignty in a meaningful way you will keep losing active players and they probably won't ever come back. Coming from someone who hasn't actually experienced anything except defending heavily defended space, I don't know how you plan to contribute to the conversation If you take a look at a map you might notice we own Pure Blind a region that is quite **** and we have been working very hard to make this region harder to attack. Just because you are incapable of forming defense fleets to protect your space does not make my points any less valid.
Poision Kevin Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 19	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:21:15 - [39] - Quote The fact that you still *** about "Troll Ceptors" when you can easily kill those now with cruiser hulls and links in system is entertaining. 4km/s instead of 8km/s is a HUGE step. Trolling factor is still **, surely, but this reduces amount of nodes you have to keep track of as well as speed limit while the entosis link is FITTED (To be seen if it matters offline/online however). It's not what you might have wanted, but god damn is it in the right direction. I'm sure I speak for most people when I say "Bet you didn't expect that?". Baby steps... baby steps.
Doomchinchilla Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 53	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:21:16 - [40] - Quote Sooo.... when are we going to get LP for entosising these nodes?
My Lap University of Caille Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:22:03 - [41] - Quote Skit Khamsi wrote: I think you should advance to start searching for a new job. Thank you for the death of my favorite games. I hear RIOT takes bad ex CCP devs
Murkar Omaristos The Alabaster Albatross Eternal Pretorian Alliance 155	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:22:16 - [42] - Quote Magorath wrote: so.. less time to react as a defender and troll ships still perfectly acceptable. Now this is content creation. Never thought I'd say it but pos bashing was actually more fun then watching a timer as it's not a serious take over. I'd have a use for a carrier + dread as well. ^^ This. These changes barely address the major issues pointed out both on the forums, by the CSM, and on the EVE Reddit (namely fewer command nodes, reduction of speed while entosising to more like 10%, and removal of the ability to fit entosis links on ships below cruiser size). The correct way to address community unrest about the prior changes is not to stand behind them while ignoring how bad they are. EDIT: By the way, a guy on page 2 linked a poll. You should check the results.
Xerticle Sanctuary of Shadows Triumvirate. 1	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:22:39 - [43] - Quote first
Bobmon Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 139	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:23:20 - [44] - Quote Poision Kevin wrote: The fact that you still *** about "Troll Ceptors" when you can easily kill those now with cruiser hulls and links in system is entertaining. 4km/s instead of 8km/s is a HUGE step. Trolling factor is still **, surely, but this reduces amount of nodes you have to keep track of as well as speed limit while the entosis link is FITTED (To be seen if it matters offline/online however). It's not what you might have wanted, but god damn is it in the right direction. I'm sure I speak for most people when I say "Bet you didn't expect that?". Baby steps... baby steps. tell them the truth baby! GÖ¢GÖ¢Bobmon for CSM10 @BobmonEve
5pitf1re 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 15	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:23:57 - [45] - Quote Poision Kevin wrote: It's not what you might have wanted, but god damn is it in the right direction. I'm sure I speak for most people when I say "Bet you didn't expect that?". Baby steps... baby steps. Let me tell you, I'll speak for a lot of people when I say, "This is exactly what we've expected".
DaReaper Net 7 2487	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:25:06 - [46] - Quote People, can none of you read? The next patch is in like 2 weeks, most likly they don;t have the time to make huge changes to the system. Instead of crying, why not give it a chance. The worst that happens is its not fixed and then they know this did not fix it so will have time to actually do a big fix. A reduction of speed might be enough, it might not be, but pissing and moaning doesn't do anyone any good. And calling for the devs to be fired or lose there job is just stupiid. You, as players, have zero idea as to why it might not be so easy to do what you think. And for all you know this tweek could make things a hell of a lot better. So instead of pissing and moaning, give it a shot. If its not enough, they will have more time to try it again. Christ, i offten wonder if ccp's numbers on the average age of eve players is legit, because most of you are acting like my god damn 4 year old. Knock it off. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Alphaomega21 Amok. Goonswarm Federation 34	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:26:44 - [47] - Quote If you want to truly fix the sovereignty system once and for all remove it completely and base who's name is on the map by the alliance who has the greatest number of pilots out in space. Then you can start working on the problem of making 0.0 worth fighting over. Maybe by buffing moons so alliances can have an income source that is worth taking.
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 2096	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:29:13 - [48] - Quote My idea is to make capture towers have a 75km scram and 90%web. That should ensure the death of trollceptors. Also I don't mind a little structure grind when it results in a big fight. Take b-r as an example. In br you had a giant capital fight and then sub capital fights in adjacent systems. Why not make it so you elink to reinforce and then have to elink to take down the shields now that they are invulnerable... but wheb you get to structure reinforce you have the option to blow the thing up or finish tge elink capture events. This would cause one main fight over the structure but at the ssme time a race to capture tge capture towers... So now you csn have your b-r fight and spread it out an entire constaltion. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote: Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 93	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:29:23 - [49] - Quote Reagalan wrote: Won't do jack **** to a system that is fundamentally and critically flawed and unsalvageable. Until you get off of this "small gang" and "local conflict" soapbox the decline of Eve will continue. We didn't sign up for small gang impermanent bullshit and we detest your attempts to force this playstyle upon us. More goon BLOB ... just as we start actually taking CFC systems... we have 3 under control now Y-C3EQ 7RM-N0 GA-P6C the biggest advantage we have SPEED is taken away.... so they can just roll BLOBS onto the grid. BLOB BLOB BLOB.... back to n+1 fighting Instead of MOA whining ...we are going to ADAPT (like the big blocs should do) and try our best. IMO however this is a mistake , only a few weeks of this system has been in place and its already being changed to suit the power bloc whiners.
5pitf1re 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 15	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:30:10 - [50] - Quote DaReaper wrote: People, can none of you read? The next patch is in like 2 weeks, most likly they don;t have the time to make huge changes to the system. Exactly! Limiting the speed to 2000 m/s or disabling the propulsion module altogether would require a complete engine rewrite.
My Lap University of Caille Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:30:13 - [51] - Quote When did this game go from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83CyR463VWs So sad...
Harvister Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion 8	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:32:32 - [52] - Quote constructive feedback: Bravo yaaay \o/
Fredric Wolf Black Sheep Down Tactical Narcotics Team 96	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:32:49 - [53] - Quote DaReaper wrote: People, can none of you read? The next patch is in like 2 weeks, most likly they don;t have the time to make huge changes to the system. Instead of crying, why not give it a chance. The worst that happens is its not fixed and then they know this did not fix it so will have time to actually do a big fix. A reduction of speed might be enough, it might not be, but pissing and moaning doesn't do anyone any good. And calling for the devs to be fired or lose there job is just stupiid. You, as players, have zero idea as to why it might not be so easy to do what you think. And for all you know this tweek could make things a hell of a lot better. So instead of pissing and moaning, give it a shot. If its not enough, they will have more time to try it again. Christ, i offten wonder if ccp's numbers on the average age of eve players is legit, because most of you are acting like my god damn 4 year old. Knock it off. How much more money should we keep giving this company when they keep saying just give it more time? This game has been in a bad state for years now and the getting small changes it gets that are refuted in the forums with well thought post with data to back these up. When people such as GSF, BL, PL, NC. and any of the big sov players tell the devs that their ideas will not work it is not because of the meta it is because they actually play in the area that is being effected and know how bad the ideas that are being put forth are. Troll Ships were a concern before sov ever went in CCP **** the bed with allowing it to happen. They have a chance to fix it and they put a band aid on a gaping wound. I have not spoken up until now but I really do not think CCP has any idea about how to fix sov or even how sov is played. Again it is not about the status quo because if they do not get there act together CCP is going to be a dead game in less then 6 months
dancing ninja Bearded BattleBears I N F A M O U S 0	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:33:47 - [54] - Quote This is a step in the right direction. 4km/s speed limit will solve some of the trollceptor issues but the 4 minute node is a double edged sword. You have even less time to respond. Now instead of a trollceptor they can bring a cheap tanked drake. Since you only have 4 minutes to respond chances are the response will be in smaller/faster ships which wouldnt be able to anything heavily tanked. Giving the defenders a 10% starting lead is a nice boost to counter the trolling. The node self repair will be a huge help once it can be released. I would still like to see some kind of spreading system index. If you max the index in your system the extra mining/ratting/sov should spread to a nearby system you control. Have it spread with a exponential loss so that it only goes 2-3 systems. It fixes the problem of trolls hitting the systems that you use often but cant safely rat/mine in because of location or low true sec.
DaReaper Net 7 2487	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:33:52 - [55] - Quote 5pitf1re wrote: DaReaper wrote: People, can none of you read? The next patch is in like 2 weeks, most likly they don;t have the time to make huge changes to the system. Exactly! Limiting the speed to 2000 m/s or disabling the propulsion module altogether would require a complete engine rewrite. naw more likely numbers to crunch, other devs to talk too and they believe 4k will work. However, if you don;lt whine and explain why 2k or 3k or whatever would be better they have time to adjust that number. So again, stop acting like my 4 year old. Take a deep breath and use your words and explain why you think its not enough. Without name calling or throwing a tantrum. They might see reason in your argument and go 'you knwo what.. 4k is too little, lets try xxxx' or they might be looking and something you have zero idea about. Deep breath, it will be ok. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Somal Thunder V0LTA Triumvirate. 21	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:34:10 - [56] - Quote RatKnight1 wrote: So, we can still fly trollceptors? Yeah. A 4km/s speed limit is not enough. Limit these things to ships that force players to put some skin into the race. On top of this, players in trollceptors can still fly through space while generally being untouchable... sure, they can only go 4km/s, but that still is enough to outrun most combat fit ships in the game. What a whine... A lot of ships, including cruisers, can go 4000 m/s, even if that does mean with heat. A modern counter to troll ceptors goes over 7k with heat, 5k without. Now those setups can drop a speed rig or overdrive for something more useful for combat, or it can retain those rigs in order to better catch trollceptors.
Silvia Heart Black Aces I N F A M O U S 1	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:34:17 - [57] - Quote MASSADEATH wrote: Reagalan wrote: Won't do jack **** to a system that is fundamentally and critically flawed and unsalvageable. Until you get off of this "small gang" and "local conflict" soapbox the decline of Eve will continue. We didn't sign up for small gang impermanent bullshit and we detest your attempts to force this playstyle upon us. More goon BLOB ... just as we start actually taking CFC systems... we have 3 under control now Y-C3EQ 7RM-N0 GA-P6C the biggest advantage we have SPEED is taken away.... so they can just roll BLOBS onto the grid. BLOB BLOB BLOB.... back to n+1 fighting Instead of MOA whining ...we are going to ADAPT (like the big blocs should do) and try our best. IMO however this is a mistake , only a few weeks of this system has been in place and its already being changed to suit the power bloc whiners. Go back to your little hole you trash alliance, idiots like you guys and team 5-0 are literally the cancer killing this game from the inside out.
Urandas Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:34:31 - [58] - Quote A step in the right direction, however not strong enough. 4km/s is still too fast. Honestly it should act like a seige module with -100% speed reduction. If your worried about us bumping the hacking ship away, then make it so the ship can't go over 0m/s. Theoretically, if a player has 'control' over the grid the hack beacon is on, then they shouldn't need to move.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1801	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:34:36 - [59] - Quote Most of the complaints regarding aegis sov would be allayed if interdiction nullification was removed from the game. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Gella Delon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2015.08.18 23:35:04 - [60] - Quote MASSADEATH wrote: Reagalan wrote: Won't do jack **** to a system that is fundamentally and critically flawed and unsalvageable. Until you get off of this "small gang" and "local conflict" soapbox the decline of Eve will continue. We didn't sign up for small gang impermanent bullshit and we detest your attempts to force this playstyle upon us. More goon BLOB ... just as we start actually taking CFC systems... we have 3 under control now Y-C3EQ 7RM-N0 GA-P6C the biggest advantage we have SPEED is taken away.... so they can just roll BLOBS onto the grid. BLOB BLOB BLOB.... back to n+1 fighting Instead of MOA whining ...we are going to ADAPT (like the big blocs should do) and try our best. IMO however this is a mistake , only a few weeks of this system has been in place and its already being changed to suit the power bloc whiners. Delicious You have no ihubs you idiot, the TCU means nothing, you never had control and never will.

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