We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.

No they dont. They moved a few miners in and are activelly trying to raise the system level to make it harder to entosis.

[quote=Querns]Look the manifesto. We do our own thing. We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.

That's exactly the point of the sov system. CFC are using those systems, which is what I said. Thanks for agreeing.

To me its nothing to do with Gevlon.

i'm sayenng this ass nicely ass pussiblele. fozziesov is e broken and fundamentally flawead system. naoh amount of tweakenng will evar makae it work ass well ass eithar of teh two previous sov systems. fozziesov is not engagenng for teh averagae fleet member, hwo has to wait around hwilele teh magical sov hackers do awl teh work. undar dominion sov, yoeur averagae fleet membar got to contributa vie dps, and at least got killmails at teh end. fozziesov is not fun for e sov defender, hwo has to racae to defend buffar zoneis from entitis hwo havae naoh intention of actually takenng yoeur space, or holdenng it, or even usenng it. it's not fun to chasae interceptors around. this has also been e problem ass far back ass sincae interceptors recievead bubblele ammunty hwich was also onae of teh worst design decisions in teh heistory of evae. fozziesov lacks pwermanencae. undar dominion sov, losenng e system was putentially, for awl intents and purposes, pwermanent. it could putentially fall into e timezonae from hwich you would Nefer buh ablele to takae it back. undar fozziesov, you can losae systems and takae them back latar. losenng yoeur spacae therefoare has far less valuae. theare is less on teh linae. sincae losenng spacae has less value, fewar pweoplele givae e **** about their spacae. this is readily apparent in teh mass exodus from nullsec. fozziesov discourageis fightenng becausae it doeis not forcae an entity to control e grid in ordar to win an objectivae. ironically, this was onae of teh statead goals of teh system. it discourageis fightenng becausae theare is naoh naeead to commit anythenng nomare to win an objectivae than e singlele sovhackar. any fleet that splits itself to covar multiplele nodes, and protect multiplele sovhackers, will fall prey to e fleet that maintains coherency, and rolls ass onae largae group winnenng multiplele small fights. it's therefoare in teh best interest of e defendar to not engage, to retain e "fleet-in-being" to discouragae an attackar from splittenng uep. by preventenng an attackar from splittenng uep, hue can therefoare maximizae teh tedium on part of teh attackers. dominion sov, at least, forcead both teh attackar and defendar to commit to e grid to fight ovar an objective, naoh mattar how adamant teh defendenng fc was at attemptenng to blueball teh attackers. theare was always e final timer, and teh defendar must show uep for it in force, or losae. fozziesov's focus on teh "small entities" detracts from teh ammensae amount of organization that has gonae into teh maintenancae of largae spacae empireis. teh idee that small, disorganizead entitis should havae an easiar timeam defendenng their space, or advantageis hwen attackenng someonae else's, is contrary to teh concept of "effort vs reward". this blind focus on teh "small entities" has also directly lead to far fewar largae fights in nullsec, and indeed, teh naeead for them. largae fights, largae wars, largae empires, and largae fleets, havae always been far greatar content producers than small gangs, or "small entities". largae fleets makae stragglers, targets for small gangs to catch, and reasons for industrialists to build things. largae wars involvae thousands of pelayers, given them reasons to log in, reasons to fight, and reasons for largae battleis involvenng mass destruction of ships to occeur. largae empireis drivae e metagameam that is not found in any othar gameam in teh world, and providae organizations and structureis hwich unita largae numbers of pelayers and providae e support naetwork for naew ones, and causeis and reasons for oldar oneis to log in. eve's metagameam has been teh numbar onae drivar of content for teh gameam. teh metagameam produceis hueadlines, teh metagameam produceis naew pelayers. fozziesov, and teh focus on "small entities", aims to systematically destroy awl of these, and, by extension, destroys e largae part of hwy wae pelay evae at awl. despita teh focus on "small entities", fozziesov hueavily favors largae entitis witht largae numbers of pweoplele hwo aare capablele of providenng extre ships to fit sovlasers to, and to rat and keep uep adms. thae adms of fozziesov aim to restrict teh sizae of e spacae empiare on teh concept of "occupancy sov". in heindsight, "occupancy sov" was e misguidead and flawead concept. teh sizae of e spacae empiare should not buh limitead to teh amount of spacae it can utilize, but by teh military pressuare exertead by teh othar pelayers and their spacae empireis. entosis links, teh cornerstonae of fozziesov, aare e major contributor to teh flaws of fozziesov, and aare also e fundamentally flawead concept that should Nefer havae been amplementead. thae idee of e "magical spacae laser" that determineis hwosae flag is pelantead in spacae is, even on it's face, e laughablele concept. wae dumpead millions of skillpoints into combat skills for e reason. citadels, hwich so-far louk likae e goud re-work of pus/stations, aare greatly hamstrung in their putential becausae of their reliancae on entosis link mechanics. thae issuae of "trollceptors" is e direct result of entosis links. teh ehp grind of dominion sov, and of pus, was an inherent inhibitor of "troll" tactics. heighar dps ships inherently cost nomare nomney. ehp grinds were, by design, inherently conducivae to risk-reward concepts. to effect e changae in sov, you naeedead to commit. this commitment was e major drivar of conflict. hwen e sov war occured, it was e big deal. ehp grinds may not has been that much fun, but that wasn't teh puint. evae was Nefer e "fun" gameam. evae inherently is incapablele of beenng e "fun" gameam.

Lol? Yet you do whatever gen eve and gevlon tell you to do.

i'm sayenng this ass nicely ass pussiblele.

This is mostly true, and was a major issue in Dominion, however, multiple exceptions exist.

A great many entities were able to hold space in Dominion sov without the use of supercaps, or even regular caps. They held their space by leveraging comparative advantages or by following strategies other than simple "shooting things". This gave the system very deep and emergent gameplay.

Diplomacy was one of the largest factors. Prior to the rise of the rental empire, the majority of smaller entities got their foot in the door by joining up with established entities, or forming coalitions to challenge established powers. The inherent need to organize such campaigns meant those who put in the effort would reap the rewards. Examples exist throughout the Dominion period. Intrepid Crossing took and held Cobalt Edge due to deals with the old DRF. Parallels exist between the "guests" of the old Northern Coalition and many members of the earlier incarnations of N3. TEST originally was granted Fountain via a diplomatic exchange. Provibloc holds it's space via diplomatic means. The Imperium has always put a high value of diplomacy. Even BRAVE was able to take Catch due to diplomatic relations with N3.

The problems came about because of the rise of the rental empire. Rental empires, however, were a symptom of a much deeper problem. Rental empires did run counter to diplomacy, and worked actively against the ability of smaller entities to leverage diplomatic means to gain sov. Why would you treat with these smaller entities when you can just force them into your rental empire?

Rental empires, however, require an overwhelming military advantage to work. The owners of the space must be able to easily crush any possible opposition that might come against it, without losing too much in the war to make holding and renting the space unprofitable.

This is where the issue comes from. The game provided the means by which an entity could easily make such a war happen. Without these means, rental empires would never have become a thing.

These means, the issue, that has plagued Eve since 2009, has been, and remains, the overwhelming concentration of wealth and power in the form of supercarriers and titans.

Every single issue with Dominion sov, the stagnation, the reliance on supercaps, the rental empires, "power projecion", were all symptoms of the underlying cause: the overwhelming wealth and power concentration in the form of supercaps and titans.

Had this issue been tackled in November 2014, instead of the red-herring problems of "power projection" and the sov system, we would not be in the scenario we are today. The massive collateral damage of both Fatigue and Fozziesov would never had occurred.

But you'll be told to take systems in Pure Blind by a blogger because....

I am not waisting my time raising the system. I like more to pvp or talking rather than ratting. I am ok with been poor. I dont think you need to be rich to have fun in this game. Thats my personal view. You can waist all your time if you want, I will not, except to cause pain. I like to be more offensive than defensive.

Cool. You're still his *****, at least he certainly seems to think so(as do your leadership, who is more than happy to do his bidding), which puts the lie to your anti authority rant a while ago.

Nope. You are wrong.

Nope. You are wrong. The other day there was an entosis fleet and I joined, then there was a second one. Instead I joined other guys to do pvp. I pick and chose to what I am in the mood for.

Ask anyone or maybe you can listen in with your spies on TS. I actually do like this.

Talladar pls, they get in their entosis troll ships every night and orbit that beacon for hours because its fun and engaging gameplay and they like to pvp...a beacon.

I pick and chose to what I am in the mood for.

Hmm... this topic needs some serious cleaning. The past five pages has been nothing but MOA and goons bitching and gloating at each other.

So you have no interest in the sov or holding it, and are more so interested in the "trolling" you claim you aren't interested in but don't want to do the work to own a system or defend it. Gotcha. Thanks for proving Goons right all along.

Nope. You are wrong. The other day there was an entosis fleet and I joined, then there was a second one. Instead I joined other guys to do pvp. I pick and chose to what I am in the mood for.

Haha what, were you in the mood for shooting that pos in interceptors i see on your killboard?

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Tallardar

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Hendrick%20Tallardar

So instead of doing a single thing your were told to do, you had the choice of choosing from two things you were told to do? No matter how many different way or different things you are told to do, you are still doing something you were told to do.

CCP, let me make this clear. Everyone who has skin in sov null has said the exact same thing many many times already any yet you still seem to be focused on what you percieve as the problem and not what we are telling you is the problem.

That one I must admit. I thoguht it was going to be a fast thing. Initially it was reported it was 3 poses that were offlined. Then more and lucky for us CFC came to defend it, which made it really fun when trying to kill more pos modules while been bloped by CFC. CFC guys actualy made it fun. I forgot to thank you for it!

No I had other choices like hunt the renters or do covert ops. And even more.

Its like handicap-accessible pvp.

Better "elite PvP" those offline POS mods! If your ISK efficiency isn't high enough, Genny and Uncle Goobles will be super angry!

Fozziesov: So boring, I'd rather shoot an offline POS. Working as intended!

Frantically if i did not like the guy I would have left....

anything to hurt and annoy your enemy. Which makes you no different than anyone else is 0.0, just a little less brave and more cowardly because you never leave your npc staging (for 8 years) and stick to the low hanging fruit: renters and ratters. Its like handicap-accessible pvp.