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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:06:26 -
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darkchild's corpse wrote:i wonder how much "don't implement this" feedback is needed to make ccp stop thinking about implementing it.
maybe someone should pay a few hundret ppl to give negative feedback in here :D
Try reddit "Shut up and take my money!" thread. They are thrilled to pay for this. So it's not "if", more "when".
How much time for golden ammo? ( for new players ofc because they can't compete with vets  )
"(...) I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas (...)"
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Dave Stark
7613
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:07:08 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Point us to it, I can't find any actual statement of yours where you explain your true reasoning.
then i suggest you follow my prior suggestion; learn to read.
there's no use pointing you to something to read when you've failed to read it several times before. |
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
119
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:08:03 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:so, since you're all slinging them ol' personal attacks you've actually ran out of legitimate points. WHAT? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HOW MUCH OF A SHILL YOU ARE! adequately proving my point. Feel free to explain to us what the point is of all your posting in this thread, from your personal pov. as i explained before, many times, to find out why you're all so assblasted about ccp improving the way SP is traded.
You have seen it over 100 pages ago. Why keep pushing? :D
There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
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darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:08:43 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:darkchild's corpse wrote:i wonder how much "don't implement this" feedback is needed to make ccp stop thinking about implementing it.
maybe someone should pay a few hundret ppl to give negative feedback in here :D Try reddit "Shut up and take my money!" thread. They are thrilled to pay for this. So it's not "if", more "when". How much time for golden ammo? ( for new players ofc because they can't compete with vets )
i should invest in reddit users :D
best mercs ever \o/
Kinda suits the SP trading discussion (lyrics in description)
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Luscius Uta
174
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:08:59 -
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I just had an amazing idea:
Instead of making skill trading work like proposed in the devblog,
CCP should simply let us convert PLEX into unallocated skill points (I think around 1.5 million SP/PLEX would be a good conversion rate).
It really makes no sense that we couldn't do that alredy, since we can convert PLEX to gametime and gametime equals SP, so why is PLEX not equal SP? Of course, some people will try to convince me it is not the same since normally you have to wait to train up those SP (or someone else had to, if you bought a toon from them), but why not give us a way to skip all that boring slow training? Do people really want to train a bunch of essential skills all over everytime they make a new alt?
Am I being sarcastic? I haven't decided yet.
Drifters have arrived - The End is nigh!
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darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:10:10 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:I just had an amazing idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRKz82v5JQY
Kinda suits the SP trading discussion (lyrics in description)
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Dave Stark
7613
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:10:19 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:You have seen it over 100 pages ago. Why keep pushing? :D
because you're not the only person in this thread.
i've rather enjoyed my exchanges with gully alex foyle about potential pricing. that has easily been the most interesting part of the thread, even though it wasn't the reason i came here. there's still many things to be discussed about the idea. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4050
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:11:14 -
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It's me the only tired of seeing how the thread has devolved into 50% of Dave Stark vs the Universe?
What a troll. 
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
428
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:13:32 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
It's me the only tired of seeing how the thread has devolved into 50% of Dave Stark vs the Universe?
What a troll. Evil
Rest of them don't have active subs so they spamming on reddit.
"(...) I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas (...)"
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
229
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:14:16 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Point us to it, I can't find any actual statement of yours where you explain your true reasoning.
then i suggest you follow my prior suggestion; learn to read. there's no use pointing you to something to read when you've failed to read it several times before.
Aren't you interested in trying to convince others of your viewpoint? If you'd just explain in detail why you sperg post as you do then there might be some folks willing to see your side of the story and then you'd be winning.
No? Figured as much. |
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
119
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:15:44 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Don ZOLA wrote:You have seen it over 100 pages ago. Why keep pushing? :D because you're not the only person in this thread. i've rather enjoyed my exchanges with gully alex foyle about potential pricing. that has easily been the most interesting part of the thread, even though it wasn't the reason i came here. there's still many things to be discussed about the idea.
I did not refer to mine posts as being only here. The most of concerns were written over 100 pages ago. So you saw what are the people being concerned about and your curiosity should be fulfilled. Yet you choose to keep spamming hundreds of post in support of this idea after it. Logical fallacies in your statements are amusing.
There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
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Dave Stark
7613
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:17:00 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Point us to it, I can't find any actual statement of yours where you explain your true reasoning.
then i suggest you follow my prior suggestion; learn to read. there's no use pointing you to something to read when you've failed to read it several times before. Aren't you interested in trying to convince others of your viewpoint? If you'd just explain in detail why you sperg post as you do then there might be some folks willing to see your side of the story and then you'd be winning. No? Figured as much.
my viewpoint of completely not caring whether this idea is added or not? if i don't really care one way or another. what benefit is there of "converting" people?
why do i post as much as i do? because i can.
my side of the story is easy to see. we already have this, so if they don't add it there's no issue. if they do add it then what we have is less convoluted and awkward to use. there's nothing to be lost here. |
Jared Khanar
38
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:19:52 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
It's me the only tired of seeing how the thread has devolved into 50% of Dave Stark vs the Universe?
What a troll. Evil
Rest of them don't have active subs so they spamming on reddit.
there are also a lot of voices on reddit AGAINST this - telling people here reddit folks are clearly for this feature is simply not true |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
231
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:20:09 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Point us to it, I can't find any actual statement of yours where you explain your true reasoning.
then i suggest you follow my prior suggestion; learn to read. there's no use pointing you to something to read when you've failed to read it several times before. Aren't you interested in trying to convince others of your viewpoint? If you'd just explain in detail why you sperg post as you do then there might be some folks willing to see your side of the story and then you'd be winning. No? Figured as much. my viewpoint of completely not caring whether this idea is added or not? if i don't really care one way or another. what benefit is there of "converting" people? why do i post as much as i do? because i can. my side of the story is easy to see. we already have this, so if they don't add it there's no issue. if they do add it then what we have is less convoluted and awkward to use. there's nothing to be lost here.
Right right. so you "don't care" and that is why you post so much, how stupid of us that we don't accept that logic.
Try harder, atm you're not convincing anyone. |
Dave Stark
7613
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:20:55 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Point us to it, I can't find any actual statement of yours where you explain your true reasoning.
then i suggest you follow my prior suggestion; learn to read. there's no use pointing you to something to read when you've failed to read it several times before. Aren't you interested in trying to convince others of your viewpoint? If you'd just explain in detail why you sperg post as you do then there might be some folks willing to see your side of the story and then you'd be winning. No? Figured as much. my viewpoint of completely not caring whether this idea is added or not? if i don't really care one way or another. what benefit is there of "converting" people? why do i post as much as i do? because i can. my side of the story is easy to see. we already have this, so if they don't add it there's no issue. if they do add it then what we have is less convoluted and awkward to use. there's nothing to be lost here. Right right. so you "don't care" and that is why you post so much, how stupid of us that we don't accept that logic. Try harder, atm you're not convincing anyone.
"i reject your answer for the 30th time, because it still doesn't fit my narrative". well, ok then. |
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
119
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:22:12 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
then i suggest you follow my prior suggestion; learn to read.
there's no use pointing you to something to read when you've failed to read it several times before.
Aren't you interested in trying to convince others of your viewpoint? If you'd just explain in detail why you sperg post as you do then there might be some folks willing to see your side of the story and then you'd be winning. No? Figured as much. my viewpoint of completely not caring whether this idea is added or not? if i don't really care one way or another. what benefit is there of "converting" people? why do i post as much as i do? because i can. my side of the story is easy to see. we already have this, so if they don't add it there's no issue. if they do add it then what we have is less convoluted and awkward to use. there's nothing to be lost here. Right right. so you "don't care" and that is why you post so much, how stupid of us that we don't accept that logic. Try harder, atm you're not convincing anyone. "i reject your answer for the 30th time, because it still doesn't fit my narrative". well, ok then.
Or because it is so shallow and laughable that not a single person here accepts it as a meaningful answer?
There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
153
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:22:25 -
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Syn'Drakkahr wrote:
Think about it, all those in-active accounts. Plenty of SP. Enough to cover ALOT of active accounts.
Do you even play EVE? Why are you even here? is their no passion? Eve is UNIQUE! lets keep it that way.
Here is my prediction: Skill extraction goes live> People buy SP> Max skills x 500-1000 accounts> Won EVE. Bored, move on.
Rinse + repeat
I honestly, don't think this will be the case.
Let us say people do max out their skills within the first few months this has been implemented (not that I ever think people would do that). People would still continue to do whatever they are doing, just with better skills. I have almost perfect frigate skills, yet I still enjoy frigate PvP. It has not stopped me from playing EvE.
This change is good, because it makes the game less of a Skill Queue Online, and more a game where interacting with players matters. People will have the option to more rapidly get into whatever they wish to do. More players getting through the initial skill barriers, means more people in space doing stuff.
That being said, there is the risk of having new players perceive this as a money grab (similar to mobile games). But I think, if CCP markets the game correctly, they would be able to explain to possible new players, that SP is not what defines your character. It is just a mechanic used to put some barrier of entry to some activities. Instead, it is what you do with your time in space that matters.
Also, CCP really needs to fix the tutorials. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
186
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:23:32 -
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Zappity wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Zappity wrote:It would not be called a 'sacred cow' if it were uncontroversial. But this is one that needs to be turned into a steak. Judging from the feedback in this thread it would seem that your stance on the subject is not shared by the majority of people in this thread and would not be too healthy for subscription numbers. Yes you could just write this all off as idle threats, but if you are in CCPs position would you want to really risk it and be the one who bought a 12 year old game to its knees just so you can implement this? Everyone realised that jump fatigue and the sov changes needed to be done, and so despite the negative reactions players stuck with CCP as we knew we could not keep the status quo. This on the other hand is much more dangerous as it all to close to Incarna. I actually think a lot of players have already let micro transactions slip in through the back door in the form of ship SKINs, a feature that nearly everyone had wanted, but somehow CCP cleverly managed to tie it to microtransactions without much of a fuss from the players. It was explained away at the time that it is fine as ship skins are cosmetic items; this idea on the other hand is going to be different as SPs are far from cosmetic. Rubbish. People won't quit over this. Why would they? It doesn't materially affect your game play if you choose not to participate. I And the feedback on reddit was very different to here, indicating that there is a possibile significant upside. Don't like microtransactions? Simply don't do them. Buy from the market instead. If this was a "soul-bound" proposal I would be dead against it. But it isn't so I have no problem with it.
You failed as a psychic. I'll be one of the first to run away from this horrid game if this abomination is unleashed into Eve.
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Dave Stark
7613
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:23:45 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:Or because it is so shallow and laughable that not a single person here accepts it as a meaningful answer?
that's the wonderful thing about facts; they're true whether you believe them or not. |
Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards
727
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:24:47 -
[3650] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Point us to it, I can't find any actual statement of yours where you explain your true reasoning.
then i suggest you follow my prior suggestion; learn to read. there's no use pointing you to something to read when you've failed to read it several times before. Aren't you interested in trying to convince others of your viewpoint? If you'd just explain in detail why you sperg post as you do then there might be some folks willing to see your side of the story and then you'd be winning. No? Figured as much. my viewpoint of completely not caring whether this idea is added or not? if i don't really care one way or another. what benefit is there of "converting" people? why do i post as much as i do? because i can. my side of the story is easy to see. we already have this, so if they don't add it there's no issue. if they do add it then what we have is less convoluted and awkward to use. there's nothing to be lost here.
I hope you aren't a Dev because if you can't see a difference between the character bazaar (selling/buying predefined skill packages) and selling unallocated SP.
CCP is in a lot of trouble and could be facing a very bleak future.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode -
Vice Admiral, Forum Dictator, Arrogant Nobody
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Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
121
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:29:02 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Don ZOLA wrote:Or because it is so shallow and laughable that not a single person here accepts it as a meaningful answer? that's the wonderful thing about facts; they're true whether you believe them or not.
Pity they are not facts. They are just your statements, facts are something different
There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
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Dave Stark
7613
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:29:02 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:I hope you aren't a Dev because if you can't see a difference between the character bazaar (selling/buying predefined skill packages) and selling unallocated SP.
CCP is in a lot of trouble and could be facing a very bleak future.
there's a quick way to check if i'm a dev or not.
devs have a blue tag that says they're a dev on their portrait. now, move your eyes to the left side of the screen. do i have a blue tag? |
Rawthorm
D.M.T inc
Circle-Of-Two
58
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:30:18 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Zappity wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Zappity wrote:It would not be called a 'sacred cow' if it were uncontroversial. But this is one that needs to be turned into a steak. Judging from the feedback in this thread it would seem that your stance on the subject is not shared by the majority of people in this thread and would not be too healthy for subscription numbers. Yes you could just write this all off as idle threats, but if you are in CCPs position would you want to really risk it and be the one who bought a 12 year old game to its knees just so you can implement this? Everyone realised that jump fatigue and the sov changes needed to be done, and so despite the negative reactions players stuck with CCP as we knew we could not keep the status quo. This on the other hand is much more dangerous as it all to close to Incarna. I actually think a lot of players have already let micro transactions slip in through the back door in the form of ship SKINs, a feature that nearly everyone had wanted, but somehow CCP cleverly managed to tie it to microtransactions without much of a fuss from the players. It was explained away at the time that it is fine as ship skins are cosmetic items; this idea on the other hand is going to be different as SPs are far from cosmetic. Rubbish. People won't quit over this. Why would they? It doesn't materially affect your game play if you choose not to participate. I And the feedback on reddit was very different to here, indicating that there is a possibile significant upside. Don't like microtransactions? Simply don't do them. Buy from the market instead. If this was a "soul-bound" proposal I would be dead against it. But it isn't so I have no problem with it. You failed as a psychic. I'll be one of the first to run away from this horrid game if this abomination is unleashed into Eve.
That's the glory of an MMO, the game will happily keep ticking along with or without you. Do what you got to do, unless there are a thousand others lined up behind you queuing for the exit then it will matter very little to the rest of us or CCP for that matter. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
187
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:32:55 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:So you persist in not answering a very basic, and quite important, question. Which is all a bit weird given all the effort and spamming you do in this thread.
i've answered it every time you've asked it. you just seem to be illiterate. No, you haven't. If it's "the same" as you put it (which it is not, obviously) then you wouldn't care whether or not it would be implemented and while you might have an opinion for or against it wouldn't incite your hilarious **** spamming spin doctoring. The very FACT that you sperg all over this thread proves there's a vested interest somewhere which goes beyond "it's the same so meh who cares". So again: why do you clown all over this thread, what is your personal motivation? Given how outspoken you are on the subject I'm sure you can explain it to us. Heck you might even convince us!
I told you the reason.
And no he won't! |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
223
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:34:00 -
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A serious request, Is there any chance the ISDs could clear out all of the posts made by Dave? We all are aware of his viewpoint, perhaps just leave one of his posts here for historical purposes. It is a drastic move but he has made the thread unreadable for anyone wanting to follow this discussion. It is clear he is simply spamming the thread to shut down all reasonable discussion.
Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
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darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:34:20 -
[3656] - Quote
in b4 thread gets closed due to trolling/offtopic/to much feedback that ccp doesn't want to hear \o/
Kinda suits the SP trading discussion (lyrics in description)
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Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
121
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:34:26 -
[3657] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:A serious request, Is there any chance the ISDs could clear out all of the posts made by Dave? We all are aware of his viewpoint, perhaps just leave one of his posts here for historical purposes. It is a drastic move but he has made the thread unreadable for anyone wanting to follow this discussion. It is clear he is simply spamming the thread to shut down all reasonable discussion.
Report him and see :)
There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
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Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards
729
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:36:04 -
[3658] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:I hope you aren't a Dev because if you can't see a difference between the character bazaar (selling/buying predefined skill packages) and selling unallocated SP.
CCP is in a lot of trouble and could be facing a very bleak future. there's a quick way to check if i'm a dev or not. devs have a blue tag that says they're a dev on their portrait. now, move your eyes to the left side of the screen. do i have a blue tag?
You really are a self consumed Ass aren't you..
Missing the point of a post and dodging answering questions - Seems to be your thing.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode -
Vice Admiral, Forum Dictator, Arrogant Nobody
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
225
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:36:40 -
[3659] - Quote
Don ZOLA wrote:Moac Tor wrote:A serious request, Is there any chance the ISDs could clear out all of the posts made by Dave? We all are aware of his viewpoint, perhaps just leave one of his posts here for historical purposes. It is a drastic move but he has made the thread unreadable for anyone wanting to follow this discussion. It is clear he is simply spamming the thread to shut down all reasonable discussion. Report him and see :)
Ok done, I am sure he must be breaking at least one of the forum rules.
Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
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Dave Stark
7613
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:39:26 -
[3660] - Quote
Don ZOLA wrote:Moac Tor wrote:A serious request, Is there any chance the ISDs could clear out all of the posts made by Dave? We all are aware of his viewpoint, perhaps just leave one of his posts here for historical purposes. It is a drastic move but he has made the thread unreadable for anyone wanting to follow this discussion. It is clear he is simply spamming the thread to shut down all reasonable discussion. Report him and see :)
please do.
i'm interested to see if "being dave stark" is now against the forum rules. |
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