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Braden Fanguard
Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic
17
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:23:49 -
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Tzu Wu wrote:[quote=Mr Blu]I think this is good idea. Paying for skills is already happening in character trading. Nothing new there. Only people against this are elitist bittervets.
Hey there, yea hi. Not a bittervet, still think this is a **** idea.
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Josef Djugashvilis
3002
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:23:49 -
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If I give you (CCP) enough money, can I have all the skill points available in the game please.
The proposed idea is so bad, it is funny, even funnier than the 'loot spew' idea a couple of years ago, but with much worse consequences for the game.
CCP should just get the begging bowl out, it would go down better with the players.
Lordy...
This is not a signature.
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Cowboy Arnerette
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:24:26 -
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Mr Blu wrote:I think this is good idea. Paying for skills is already happening in character trading. Nothing new there. Only people against this are elitist bittervets.
Not at all true. If you look at the length of time of characters posting in this thread you'll find that very few are vets (unless you define "vet" as over 1 year old). |

Squid Tsutola
The Church of Awesome
0
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:26:06 -
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Well, EVE was fun while it lasted. |

Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2003
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:26:46 -
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Cowboy Arnerette wrote:Mr Blu wrote:I think this is good idea. Paying for skills is already happening in character trading. Nothing new there. Only people against this are elitist bittervets. Not at all true. If you look at the length of time of characters posting in this thread you'll find that very few are vets (unless you define "vet" as over 1 year old). Clearly you have never heard of the posting alt.
Like, seriously. People actually choose to hide their affiliations when posting on eve-o. They're ashamed of who they are.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
1009
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:27:02 -
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I'll up the anty:
If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters.
Not today spaghetti.
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Tzu Wu
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
41
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:27:05 -
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Ben Musana wrote:First of all - i dont like the idea of trading skillpoints.
We all need our time for getting our skill goal to be reached. One of the major reason why im plaing eve since 2008 is the skill tree and there possibilities. Open this to the market will ruin the game.
A 5M SP Character could buy SP to speed things up. OK the character has now the skillpoints for there new 'toys' but still not the isk to buy it - well CCP offers PLEX for sell to serve this kind of problem. So CCP has no reason to lower the plex price and so on ... just think about it. - Some could say: CCP gets greedy!
A lot of ppl have 'unused' alts and are happy if they could 'transfer' there SP to there main, but is it worth a hole 'system of SP trade' for it with all there consequences ..... NO!
Electronic Arts has gone a similar way with Need 4 Speed World. They where to greedy - changed to much! Now the servers are offline!
Does i see the end on the horizon comming ? Is it still worth to play this game ? I have no answer for that, but i really hope that enough of us, will shoot jita if they bring that feature (SP trading) on the market!
Regards
Ben Musana
I hate to break it to you and others who think like you but CCP is a business, it is their job to make money. All I hear from a lot of clueless EVE players is "CCP is greedy!, they want more money!". Without money to game doesn't operate. Not really hard to figure out.
>but i really hope that enough of us, will shoot jita if they bring that feature (SP trading) on the market!
Oh noes,not an in-game riot because EVE players don't understand the concept that it takes money to operate an MMO,the horror! |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
267
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:27:08 -
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I do not like the idea of Un-allocated. Points as it may end up promoting the flavor of the month turn around very quickly, instead of striving for the goal.
This also effect the learning implants and skill mapping - This feels like a power creep over the old system.
I would at a 100 million skill points cap this system. By this time the player has several option to play and is beginning to specialize into something major.
On of the things that make eve attractive and long lived is the gradual growth of the character, the fight to get there and fight to keep us were we are.
I do like the limited use of this for new players who will want to shell in the cash to get a head start but this should not be a tool for veterans.
Some day I will have the internet and be able to play again.
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Tzu Wu
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
41
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:27:51 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:I'll up the anty:
If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters.
Can I have your stuff? |

Ren Dac
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:28:17 -
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No. Just no.
Whilst I would heartily welcome a way to 're-spec' by unlearning SP in, for instance, Orcas, and move them to something else I have already started, you could just shut up and take my money.
But this? No. Too exploitable. |
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1150
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:28:52 -
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Querns wrote:Cowboy Arnerette wrote:Mr Blu wrote:I think this is good idea. Paying for skills is already happening in character trading. Nothing new there. Only people against this are elitist bittervets. Not at all true. If you look at the length of time of characters posting in this thread you'll find that very few are vets (unless you define "vet" as over 1 year old). Clearly you have never heard of the posting alt. Like, seriously. People actually choose to hide their affiliations when posting on eve-o. They're ashamed of who they are. if i weren't a member of the goonswarm master race i'd be pretty ashamed of who i was too |

Kilian Katar
Tenth Company
0
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:29:00 -
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I have to ask, how do you come up with such STUPID ideas I mean really.
Apart from the obvious massive Plex price increase from yet another item being added that plex/aurum of which I told you that plex would increase when you first released the Aurum market and since when you continually add stuff onto it (most of which is crap btw) [Yes people I am wearing Guristas stuff, brought with the free Aurum we got when it first started]
But aside from that, I mean if that wasn't enough (because higher plex prices WILL push people away from the game) but as you mention Skill training is a fundamental part of the eve universe, it's basically eve's version of experience. When the learning skills were removed, yes new players had a much better experience, better than most of us older players, but we had to learn what to do with what SP we had, where to train into etc, coupled with the fact we didn't even have skill queues let alone 50 skills and however many days training.
What I'm trying to get at, is this idea seems very much aimed at newer players, who should be spending time on learning how to play the game, not selling plex and getting boat loads of sp, further more. you will be taking away another aspect of being able to gain intel in eve, when you look at a characters age, you know roughly what they can do, even if they are specialised but with this, a week old character could spend tonnes of real money on plex sell them buy the skill packs and hey presto instant HACs or Capitals....
So basically this is opening the door to the Pay to win that so many games these days are, but unlike them, eve has been around TWELVE YEARS do you really need to copy their game models?
In the blog you raise several valid points about the current character bazaar, but this "idea" doesn't change anything in that regard. and i find it perplexing that you would even consider something like this when you have fought against the renaming of characters (even just for those sold) and then you come up with this. It doesn't even seem viable either scientifically or lore wise to implement something like this where as a character name change you could easily turn around and have it related to the black market of the criminals of eve like the Guristas.
literally I cannot find one good thing from this idea you have pulled out of your ass, (and that is as polite as it gets from me at present) I find it insulting as an older eve player (my first toon was 07) and there are those even older, who will see near no benefit from this other than selling what minimal cross profession skills we got when we started the game. so it must be primarily aimed yet again at new players instead of trying to retain the old ones. I am just furious you would even consider this and frankly you have been wasting your time, and our money to come up with this when there is far more important things in eve that need to be addressed, let alone new content instead of this abomination. This truly is the worst idea I have ever heard since CCP announced dust wasn't coming to PC when it was being developed and that is saying something.
You go ahead with this idea, and you may as well close your doors and shut down your severs, because that alone is a game ender right there, let alone where it will lead to. |

Ayia Shardani
Suboc Industries
0
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:29:20 -
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OK, this is a horrid idea. First off even if it is skills earned by someone else, you can still start a new pilot, drop a couple $100 in PLEX, buy up a ton of skill packets and become an instant vet (perfectly trained to boot). There is no downside to this, where as in the Bazaar, you can have bad corp history, bad faction and crappy name.
If you really wanna do something like this to add in a revenue stream, then add these items, but make them only work on the pilot who created the packets. Then we can fix old skills that we regret having trained and use them to focus on what we really do enjoy. AKA dumping those damn highsec mining mining skills in favor of some exploration or combat skills.
Making it so we can fix old mistakes, or reallocate SP from areas we either no longer enjoy or need, and focus more on what we like, would be a major boon. Also this could be on a flat rate, of say 5:4. With a 5:4 rate, you loose 20% of the SP you invested, but in return have SP that is functional rather than useless.
This keeps SP as the one thing in EVE that is still rather fixed, and meaningful to your long time players. This also allows players who buy from the Bazaar to fix SP that was badly trained or even make minorly sub par pilots in the bazaar be more valuable.
But for the love of God, don't put unallicated SP on the market. That is just a horrible idea. |

Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2003
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:29:25 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:I'll up the anty:
If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters. CCP isn't motivated by your decision to hold your account hostage.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Tzu Wu
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
41
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:30:07 -
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Ihfrit wrote:as a player returning from my extended break i do every few years .. you just made me want to perma quit. this is an awful idea making this game pay to win.
Character Bazaar is already p2w, what the difference here guys? Do tell. |

Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
821
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:30:56 -
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Worst idea ever. |

Hendrink Collie
Blood Oath Foundation Adaptation.
72
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:31:02 -
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Querns wrote:Cowboy Arnerette wrote:Mr Blu wrote:I think this is good idea. Paying for skills is already happening in character trading. Nothing new there. Only people against this are elitist bittervets. Not at all true. If you look at the length of time of characters posting in this thread you'll find that very few are vets (unless you define "vet" as over 1 year old). Clearly you have never heard of the posting alt. Like, seriously. People actually choose to hide their affiliations when posting on eve-o. They're ashamed of who they are.
Literally scared of what people think of them based off their ideas. Kinda sad really.  |

Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
1009
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:31:16 -
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Tzu Wu wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:I'll up the anty:
If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters. Can I have your stuff?
Nope I'm going to blow it all up!
Not today spaghetti.
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Kazikings
Cassandras Corps Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:31:35 -
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I cant wait for CCPs reaction to this community outcry - if there will be any at all. |

Alt Pilot1
Hysera Innovations
9
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:32:58 -
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This is brilliant!! |
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Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance
181
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:33:06 -
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Holy **** CCP, we've seen some bad ideas over the years, but this one takes the cake. |

Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
1009
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:34:13 -
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Querns wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:I'll up the anty:
If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters. CCP isn't motivated by your decision to hold your account hostage.
Ehh I'm not trying to do any sort of hostage thing with my account.
It's more of a fun way to go out. I've suffered enough of the bonehead decisions of CCP and if this makes it in the game it'll be my last straw.
Not today spaghetti.
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Mr Grape Drink
Sugar - Water - Purple Winmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:34:29 -
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Let me direct you to another funny SP related dev post from 12 years ago.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/live-fast-die-young/
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1660
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:34:50 -
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Posting in a EVE-O classic. |

Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2003
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:35:19 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Querns wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:I'll up the anty:
If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters. CCP isn't motivated by your decision to hold your account hostage. Ehh I'm not trying to do any sort of hostage thing with my account. It's more of a fun way to go out. I've suffered enough of the bonehead decisions of CCP and if this makes it in the game it'll be my last straw. Then why post about it at all?
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Daria3war
Sumbandila
0
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:35:31 -
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Crazy idea but why not fix the current game and give people a reason to want to play. It is not new players that will save our game.
We need headline fights , SOV block warfare ..........
Not another 10k new players to farm |

Scott Ormands
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
58
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:35:38 -
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CCP Terminus wrote:Scott Ormands wrote:On one hand im excited to get back the 3m sp wasted in mining on a carrier toon, on the other what is to stop me from trainging a command ship and then extracting all the boosting skills, so to speak. in that way i could still fly the command ship but would have gotten my boosting skills transfered into some other skill or sold for isk. its a way to beat the prereq system for almost anything. The current plan is to not allow skillpoints to be extracted from skills that are requirements of other skills. So in your example you would have to remove the Command Ships skill before you could remove any prerequisite skills like Armored Warfare. We also plan on having this be something you can only do in stations, so you wouldn't be stuck in in space in a ship you can no longer fly.
For clarity does that mean i couldn't extract sp from something like weapon upgrades at all or just if I have advanced weapon upgrades or HAC's injected/trained. Also how would this work with modules. |

Tzu Wu
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
42
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:35:53 -
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Kazikings wrote:I cant wait for CCPs reaction to this community outcry - if there will be any at all.
I guess it depends on if CCP is more interesting in retaining newer to mid level players than to appeasing a bunch of bittervets who can't understand the concepts of change. I still don't get the difference between trading existing SP from a character and buying a character off the bazaar. I mean,either way SP is being traded for isk/converted PLEX. |

Yin Zheng
Sequent Industry Out of Sight.
0
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:35:56 -
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As someone who loves PVP and wants to try all the different stuff, but is struggling to do so due to being unable to properly fly this and that - thanks CCP. Thank you very much for this feature. It's great. Can't wait for it to be implemented. |

Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
1010
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:35:57 -
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Querns wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Querns wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:I'll up the anty:
If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters. CCP isn't motivated by your decision to hold your account hostage. Ehh I'm not trying to do any sort of hostage thing with my account. It's more of a fun way to go out. I've suffered enough of the bonehead decisions of CCP and if this makes it in the game it'll be my last straw. Then why post about it at all?
So my fellow forum trolls can get some entertainment from my butthurt.
Not today spaghetti.
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