If your math is correct than I really have nothing to complain about this change.

Interesting trend I'm seeing here.


I grew up in politics and it was often said that when both sides think they are being cheated in something, then you are probably doing something right. So, I think it may actually end up that CCP is doing this right since both the new and old players feel they will be screwed over by the other side taking advantage.

Mr Epeen

but I fail to see how it applies to a game where you should have fun.

No one buys 5mil sp chars.
They are not worth the investment - good chars start around 30mil sp , or around 17mil if this are pure focused projects.

This thread is such a depressing read.

As it stands, a new player can NEVER catch up to someone who happened to start playing earlier. Surely you all see that this is becoming more and more of a problem to new players as time goes by?

I just want to play the game. I can't join a half-decent corp until I have 15 or 25 mil SP or whatever. This suggestion would help to enable me to start PLAYING the game rather than just logging in to check skills every few days. I just want to spend the same money on SP instead of subs and start playing sooner. I have played before and know it is worth waiting for but many will not.

The strength of the opinions of the older players should also be factored down by the diminishing returns mentioned in the blog. The mentality of these old gits is to keep their "rightful" place in society and do whatever they can to prevent any new characters becoming as famous as the old empire builders or legendary FCs.

I am in favour of this proposal to remove the most rusty nail of all from Eve's coffin-to-be.

then explain it to me, good sir.

Wrong

No one buys 5mil sp chars.
They are not worth the investment - good chars start around 30mil sp , or around 17mil if this are pure focused projects.

Just to try and introduce some facts into this discussion as most people seem to be just knee jerking.

1. Any SP that ends up on the market has to be extracted from an existing character. No SP will be "created out of thin air".
To be clear on point 1, for SP to end up on the market a player will have to expend ISK or Aurum to first extract the SP, then to have that SP deposited into an SP packet. No SP will be created by CCP over an above the total number of SP at the time the player decides to "drain" one of his characters.

To give a concrete example, my main (the one I'm posting on), does not have many wasted SP. I have a bit in resource processing and trivial amount of SP here and there from when I first created the character (500 SP in defender missiles?!?!). Totaling it all up I can't even find 500,000 SP I'd like to part with. In other words, of my 123 million SP, none of it will end up on the market at this time.

2. The character bazaar is a "competitor" of this model. That is if I decide I'm going to make a character for sale I'm going to do my best to avoid "wasted SP"--i.e. if it is a PVP character I'm training chances are I'm not going to be training any social skills. However, if were to train a mission runner I might train some social skills.

3. The cost of buying SP will become increasing expensive. To give some numbers to this. To get a 20 million SP character with the current method I'd have to buy 22,750,000 SP to inject. That is, I have to buy 13.75% more SP than I am attempting to end up at. If I want to jump to 50 million SP I have to actually buy 60,250,000 SP or about 21% SP over where I'll end up. One poster blathered on about how there'd be all these characters with 600 million SP. Just to get to 500 million SP one would have to buy 3.495 billion SP. Yes, with a fracking 'B'...billion. So STFU about that ****.

4. Alt SP farms will likely not be a thing, except for people who don't understand basic economics. If I were to start a new account and train a character for 1 month with maxed out attributes I could get about 2.1 million SP. Given the current price of PLEX I'd have to be able to sell this alts SP for 583 ISK/SP just to be able to PLEX the account. And that is ignoring the cost of the extractor and the SP packet items.

4. Alt SP farms will likely not be a thing, except for people who don't understand basic economics. If I were to start a new account and train a character for 1 month with maxed out attributes I could get about 2.1 million SP. Given the current price of PLEX I'd have to be able to sell this alts SP for 583 ISK/SP just to be able to PLEX the account. And that is ignoring the cost of the extractor and the SP packet items.

if some body else having a different number of SP than you impacts your "fun" in eve... you're doing something seriously wrong.

Just to try and introduce some facts into this discussion as most people seem to be just knee jerking.

1. Any SP that ends up on the market has to be extracted from an existing character. No SP will be "created out of thin air".
To be clear on point 1, for SP to end up on the market a player will have to expend ISK or Aurum to first extract the SP, then to have that SP deposited into an SP packet. No SP will be created by CCP over an above the total number of SP at the time the player decides to "drain" one of his characters.

To give a concrete example, my main (the one I'm posting on), does not have many wasted SP. I have a bit in resource processing and trivial amount of SP here and there from when I first created the character (500 SP in defender missiles?!?!). Totaling it all up I can't even find 500,000 SP I'd like to part with. In other words, of my 123 million SP, none of it will end up on the market at this time.

2. The character bazaar is a "competitor" of this model. That is if I decide I'm going to make a character for sale I'm going to do my best to avoid "wasted SP"--i.e. if it is a PVP character I'm training chances are I'm not going to be training any social skills. However, if were to train a mission runner I might train some social skills.

3. The cost of buying SP will become increasing expensive. To give some numbers to this. To get a 20 million SP character with the current method I'd have to buy 22,750,000 SP to inject. That is, I have to buy 13.75% more SP than I am attempting to end up at. If I want to jump to 50 million SP I have to actually buy 60,250,000 SP or about 21% SP over where I'll end up. One poster blathered on about how there'd be all these characters with 600 million SP. Just to get to 500 million SP one would have to buy 3.495 billion SP. Yes, with a fracking 'B'...billion. So STFU about that ****.

4. Alt SP farms will likely not be a thing, except for people who don't understand basic economics. If I were to start a new account and train a character for 1 month with maxed out attributes I could get about 2.1 million SP. Given the current price of PLEX I'd have to be able to sell this alts SP for 583 ISK/SP just to be able to PLEX the account. And that is ignoring the cost of the extractor and the SP packet items.

4. Alt SP farms will likely not be a thing, except for people who don't understand basic economics. If I were to start a new account and train a character for 1 month with maxed out attributes I could get about 2.1 million SP. Given the current price of PLEX I'd have to be able to sell this alts SP for 583 ISK/SP just to be able to PLEX the account. And that is ignoring the cost of the extractor and the SP packet items.

I meant more in general than in this particular case. In gaming industry it's probably not a good idea leave your customers feeling disappointed where as on other areas of life it may be right thing to do.

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wow, so much crying.
p2w you say. Well, let's do a croud funding yo, make one of you crybabyes have the best thing this game can offer and max skills. What will that do to you? NOTHING. You will still get gilled by blob no mather what you are in. I have 150 bil, and 50 mil sp, that does not make me better at solo pvp. I don't even have solo kills, cause i don't go solo, so you can have all the isk, it's for nothing if you don't have the experience. it's not like all of you out there are like guados and predator666.
oh wow, we may end up with characters maxed out. WOW, that science and mining and other stuff will be so hard to counter in a 1v1 pvp.
Also, what's the deal with the "won't matter the age"? you should rather check his kb to see what's about that char for a smarther intel.
Yeah, plex will likely be more expensive for a bit, then should drop out. I have alts that I don't care about due to the fact that my main has all I need for this game. So i would unsubscribe the after i strip the sp. 8 less plex/month.

Soooo what you're saying is that I could break my 150m sp toon down into 3 perfectly focused 50m sp toons for the cost of cash.

What then was the entire point of training for this long?

It will always be cheaper to buy a pre-made character. As it stands now, you can buy one for less than it would cost to make it at today's PLEX prices.

What I suspect this will be used for (for most capsuleers) is the occasional top up for people really impatient to get into that new shiny ship that's still a week away from them hopping into it. There will be outliers , of course. The idiots with more money than brains dropping hundreds of dollars in the mistaken belief that SP equals skill.

Like I said in my very first post in this thread. It's really much ado about nothing. It won't be a game changer and it won't be the death of EVE in my opinion. It'll just be another option I'll have to think about when character trading. Now I'll have to factor in the option of breaking them down and selling that way.

But then, I build characters like this. Good name, good looks and hyper focused. That's how you get a premium price at auction time. I'd likely lose money by breaking her down and just selling the SP. But I'll see how it pans out and make my final decision then.

Mr Epeen