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Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:13:00 - [331] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Tarkan Kador Look, if the devs are helping an alliance they are in, they aren't going to admit to it. Nor is the alliance being helped going to admit that it happens. Regardless, its CCP's game. They can do anything they want and have it be alright, and if you don't like it, you can always leave. If they want to give BoB an extra Titan because of BoB's contributions to fair play, they have the right. I do know one thing though, on CCP's website it says: "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers than is common in online games." Now I don't know about you, but I have not personally seen this "deeper level." Not that I care so much. I mean, a customer is what I am. I don't expect to be treated like a partner, or a friend. What I do expect is the same consideration for the same fee as anyone else, and if one customer or group of customers gets better service/more responsive service/better access than I do, I would like to know how much one has to pay to get that extra level of service. An equal sub fee should get an equal level of basics from the provider, but CCP's entire mission is not about giving every customer the same service, but rather, "cooperation on a deeper level," which implies to me favorites. Fine for the greyshards and emulators CCP was involved with back when they were hobbyists, but I don't pay a premium price for greyshard habits. I'd venture to say that those who experience that "deeper level" are few and far between, as it is impossible for CCP to establish that "deeper level" with every one of the thousands and thousands of customers CCP has. I'm sure if BoB has a problem, their petitions get answered right away. Unlike the thousands of others, who get the form letter. Not all unfairness has to be a blatant cheat. It could be as simple as doing your job with greater rapidity and care than typical for those one considers to be friends. So then the question becomes, who is on this "deeper level" with CCP staff, and who are just statistics on a revenue page? What does one have to do to get to that "deeper level," and can anybody not on that "deeper level" ever hope to get there? I don't know how many other MMORPG games you've played, but the majority of them don't have devs and GMs that freely chat and get involved on their forums, hold IRC interviews , host events like EVETV and FanFest and plenty of other community based items. I imagine this is the "deeper level" they mention, as it's a lot better than any other game I've played. As for petition assumptions, my last reimbursment took over a month. That was even with the fact that the time I was killed was during DT! Eve TV is unique. That other stuff? Fanfests, interviews, forum posts, etc... most MMO companies/devs host this stuff. And EVE t.v. doesn't justify, in my mind, dev participation in your alliance. And I'm completely impartial here, have rarely encountered BoB, and am not whining about you wining wars. -Karl
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:16:00 - [332] Originally by: Karlemgne And I'm completely impartial here, have rarely encountered BoB, and am not whining about you wining wars. This is priceless, you're impartial, you have rarely encountered us and yet you somehow know that all the devs are in BoB? Really, what planet are you on and where can I get the same drugs as you? Your sig exceeds 24,000 bytes. Please resize it so that it is under that amount. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) Blog
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:30:00 - [333] Originally by: Karlemgne And I'm completely impartial here, have rarely encountered BoB, and am not whining about you wining wars. That sums up your authority to talk on the subject nicely. I won't reply to any of your drivel again, and I'm sorry that I made the mistake of doing it in the first place. You're doing a better job of discrediting yourself than I ever could.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:35:00 - [334] Edited by: Karlemgne on 10/01/2007 01:32:41 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Karlemgne And I'm completely impartial here, have rarely encountered BoB, and am not whining about you wining wars. This is priceless, you're impartial, you have rarely encountered us and yet you somehow know that all the devs are in BoB? Really, what planet are you on and where can I get the same drugs as you? Are you trying to make me partial? What about me suggesting that CCP employee involvment in EVE as players might be bad causes such hostility in you? Have you ever heard the saying "I think thou protests too much?" As to where I get my information, I get it from the place everyone else does. I watch EVE t.v., read the articles, the interviews, and talk to my fellow players. Pretty much, in this thread, other members of your alliance have admited as much as there is CCP employee players in BoB and defended them. I am honestly not anti-BoB in general. This is my main, I fly only in empire, and have rarely encountered you guys. In fact, if you scroll up a bit, I defend BoB (I don't think you guys are going to conquer the eveverse), and CCP's right to actually play their game... I just think you need two servers for it to be fair. However, your attitude, in particular, makes BoB look bad in my eyes. -Karlemgne
Locus Bey	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:36:00 - [335] 1. BoB's BPO collection. ISK doesn't win a war as the fall of ASCN proves. And if you think BoB is the only alliance or corp with an extensive BPO collection you are wrong. You command an area of 0.0 and the universe is your oyster ISK and BPO wise. 2. Devs in BoB Who cares? It seems to me only those armchair strategists. BoB doesn't need Dev's. They win because they are organized, experienced, and clever. Most alliances are can't capable of being BoB because at the first sign of difficulty they fall to internal problems. BoB has great leadership. the rarest commodity in EVE. 3. Stop whining. Do something....
Black Atom Caldari Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 03:31:00 - [336] My Guide to Beating BoB 1. Plan out 2 100+ person fleets, complete with capital ships and the like. Maybe D2+RA 2. Take said fleets and siege BoB in two locations, with 150 people online in alliance at max they can have 75 in each location. They will probably go after one fleet to scare it off, then go after the second. 3. Hope that said fleet they go after is competent enough to hold them at bay long enough for the other to succeed. 4. Success, you've sieged atleast one BoB system. 5. Repeat steps 1-4 until BoB is dismantled. To rib it for her pleasure, add a third fleet (Goons). From my point of view this is the early game of Siege Warfare, with more and more people coming to the game it's going to be very very difficult for a single entity to fend off multiple front wars against organized groups. Large scale co-ordination of BoB's opponents will likely be it's downfall, which is only made more and more likely as their empire expands across the galaxy. They've said it more than a few times that this is what they're looking for, the ultimate fight to test them. shrugs Who knows, maybe sometime in 2007 it'll happen.
El Marchetto	Posted - 2007.01.10 06:39:00 - [337] Originally by: Locus Bey 1. BoB's BPO collection. ISK doesn't win a war as the fall of ASCN proves. And if you think BoB is the only alliance or corp with an extensive BPO collection you are wrong. You command an area of 0.0 and the universe is your oyster ISK and BPO wise. 2. Devs in BoB Who cares? It seems to me only those armchair strategists. BoB doesn't need Dev's. They win because they are organized, experienced, and clever. Most alliances are can't capable of being BoB because at the first sign of difficulty they fall to internal problems. BoB has great leadership. the rarest commodity in EVE. 3. Stop whining. Do something.... Post with your main
Locus Bey	Posted - 2007.01.10 08:16:00 - [338] Originally by: El Marchetto Originally by: Locus Bey 1. BoB's BPO collection. ISK doesn't win a war as the fall of ASCN proves. And if you think BoB is the only alliance or corp with an extensive BPO collection you are wrong. You command an area of 0.0 and the universe is your oyster ISK and BPO wise. 2. Devs in BoB Who cares? It seems to me only those armchair strategists are complaining. BoB doesn't need Dev's. They win because they are organized, experienced, and clever. Most alliances aren't capable of being BoB because at the first sign of difficulty they fall to internal problems. BoB has great leadership. the rarest commodity in EVE. 3. Stop whining. Do something.... Post with your main Is my main as far as i know Lets not forget the history of those corps in BoB. BoB didn' get where they are by blind chance or Dev hands up their bums
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:39:00 - [339] LOl to everyone that says BOB has all the developers.. LOL you really never knows any game developer in your life didn't you. If, and only if devs would play the game seriously, i would bet my dinner that they would be scattered among aliances each one trying to **** the other. The toughs that davelpers would control an alliance is so plain immature, really. Please, these people have slightly no idea how controlling the game you made is completely non intersesting, not fun, not a chalange at all. And these are the maisn things that make a game developer (usually) mind flow. I have only 1 thing to say... LOOOOOOOLLL!!!! Personally I don't like bob, just because i am the type that usually sympathises for the weakest side. But I am not childish to start myths like that. About some petitiosn getting answered before. Sure, if i was aGM i would pay attention more on the petitions abou 200 BSlost than on the one about a frigate lost, sicne that affects more of the game universe balance. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Nathaniel Hull Caldari Finis Lumen The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:17:00 - [340] Edited by: Nathaniel Hull on 10/01/2007 10:15:44 Win EVE? OMG BBQ!!!!! GODZILLA GODZILLA. 1) All things will come to an end even your precious EvE and BoB. 2) Id say well over half the players dont even venture into 0.0 and carebear.....Except ISS they carebear in 0.0 btw see u guys in Jita soon...especiall j00 PRAX. But I digress...bascially BoB cant control EVE in the slightest for the majority of players. 3) Even BoB knows it cant keep expanding unless it goes all crusade all or nothing and that only had one end when eventually they over extend and die. BoB no matter how annoyingly powerfull actually beat an enemy in ASCN probably richer than themselves. cudos btw guys. With all of that said it would be nice to see CCP instate a better system for the T2 BPOs as it would make things easier on most players. All the Whining on this post is basically about WAAAH WAAAH they have T2 BPOs and I want em too WAAAH.

Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:04:00 - [341] Originally by: Kagura Nikon LOl to everyone that says BOB has all the developers.. LOL you really never knows any game developer in your life didn't you. I used to work on MMOs, so yeah, I have. -Karl
Prestidigitator Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.11 12:08:00 - [342] What i'm finding pricelessly funny is that the OP managed to shoehorn the blame onto bob for him not having enough T2 BPO's... ...followed by 12 pages of OMG BOB! posts. Best piece of trolling yet - pick a big issue of the hour, link it in some convoluted way to the point you want to make (me wanty many T2 BPO!) and stand back. Take it from the mouth of the vanquished here ...BoB didn't beat ASCN because of their T2 BPO monopoly ;)
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.11 13:05:00 - [343] T2 lottery is the worst, most stupid thing ever to happen to EVE. The idea that you just hand someone for zero effort a print that could be worth 100,000,000,000 isk is just insane. With that said, I doubt BoB will win EvE. Its already getting pretty flabby which causes problems, either the flab gets lazy or it gets bored or their get to be too many egos and not enough kudos (you only have to look at how ****ed off the DICE guys were by the whole "bob lite" thing to see that) which leads to people splitting off. You also have people wanting to be part of a small elite force a la the Spartans in the new 300 film (god i love that trailer), fighting against the odds etc and you cant do that if you are part of one of the biggest alliances out there. These guys want to shine and its hard to do that when you are in a big blob of your peers. I think you will see bob pilots splitting off to form 0utbreak stlye l33t pvp corps before too long unless their leads can come up with another war and another manufactured "outrage" to keep people focused.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.11 13:08:00 - [344] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists "I'm sure if BoB has a problem, their petitions get answered right away. Unlike the thousands of others, who get the form letter. Not all unfairness has to be a blatant cheat. It could be as simple as doing your job with greater rapidity and care than typical for those one considers to be friends." i lost my whole caldari battleship 5 skill to a stupid clonebug and petitioned it like a month ago, no answer yet. I had something similar happen to me. Apparently it was due to a little known feature called "Remembering to upgrade your clone following a podding". Lousy game.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 13:37:00 - [345] Edited by: fire 59 on 11/01/2007 13:34:39 Originally by: Black Atom My Guide to Beating BoB 1. Plan out 2 100+ person fleets, complete with capital ships and the like. Maybe D2+RA 2. Take said fleets and siege BoB in two locations, with 150 people online in alliance at max they can have 75 in each location. They will probably go after one fleet to scare it off, then go after the second. 3. Hope that said fleet they go after is competent enough to hold them at bay long enough for the other to succeed. 4. Success, you've sieged atleast one BoB system. 5. Repeat steps 1-4 until BoB is dismantled. To rib it for her pleasure, add a third fleet (Goons). From my point of view this is the early game of Siege Warfare, with more and more people coming to the game it's going to be very very difficult for a single entity to fend off multiple front wars against organized groups. Large scale co-ordination of BoB's opponents will likely be it's downfall, which is only made more and more likely as their empire expands across the galaxy. They've said it more than a few times that this is what they're looking for, the ultimate fight to test them. shrugs Who knows, maybe sometime in 2007 it'll happen. That's a fair assumption. I love thes guy's because they share the same mentality as myself. If we were swarmed with enemie's and lost battle's, lost our outpost's and titan, if we lost our capital fleet and pos's. I believe that with the mentality in BoB, that we would become even more dangerous and bloodthirsty. The alliance has a predigree for stamina and learning from mistake's. We will get gangbanged at some point and it will be awesome, we'll either have what happened in my previous paragraph or we'll hold our own, there morale will weaken as they wonder why aren't they breaking, were outblobbing them and they keep fighting. The enemy coalition will tire of losing so many capital ships and bs etc etc, will thin down in numbers and BoB momentum will drive them away and pursue them all the way back and kick the crap out of them, one at a time That's what will happen in my opinion as a member of bob, no propoganda or whatever, just my honest opinion Edit - I forgot to add i love alliance sized warfare and don't mind gatecamping or pos bashing because even the boring thing's are a neccesary evil to get the job done
D ROYAL	Posted - 2007.02.02 12:24:00 - [346] D Royal PIRATEN II NOW RECRUITING pilots of all types noobs miners pvpers capital pilots more ships more reserves more power and an Alliance like none other is soon on the way an Alliance that will shatter all benchmarks today. The plan is yet a fertile seed it will take a year or so to realise but I will get there' and i know u will get there with me PIRATEN II isnt just a pirate corp but also a college in the dark arts a wealth of knowledge and support for its members. PLAYER OWNED STATIONS ready for launch, with all the plans to make monthly dividends for its members a mining outpost ready for launch also and Capital built ships from PIRATEN II also. I have been in many corps I have been here since the start of EVE and have done and seen MUCH. the most important traits for me in a corp are good members TRUSTWORTHY who will defend u to the hill wrong or right and hand out the Rollecking after. Members should not fear being kicked from the corp for not being in an op. Tax should be spent wisely and translucently all memebrs have audit VEIW enabled. Not feathering the nests of the CEO CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER or Directors as is usually the case. a CEO who is active along with his directors is 100% crucial in my corp regular meetings plans aims goals Targets and objectives on a weekly basis is the order of the day in PIRATEN II. THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN BEING IN A STIMULI FREE environment it numbs the mind LOOK at the majority of the alliances ine eve to see it for ur self. Focusless/ stagnation and Alliance implosion is usually the latter stage is. MY CORP IS A CORP WITH AIMS JUST BECUASE IT HAS A Skull and bones doesnt mean missoning mining trading plexing are banned , quite the reverse really it better a corp have all this and much more on the drawing board is my philosphy. A CORP that communicates TEAMSPEAK server ready. "A team that communicates is a team that succeeds". Help, THIS IS the most important aspect of a well run organisation to be able to give knowledge or support to grow ones members, "with knowlege comes POWER". with help comes trust. D ROYAL welcomes all And I Know in my heart that with knowledge as my Armor trust as my Defender AND Loyalty As mY Sword This corpoaration soon to be Alliance, we will walk hand in hand United under the PIRATEN II Banner Rellentlessly bringing order where there is Chaos and I will shine the torch of justice and hope where there is Despair. THIS WILL HAPPEN. join PIRATEN II TODAY THIS WILL BE THE BEGINING OF A 1000 MEMBER CORPORATION THEN AN ALLIANCE UNLIKE NONE BEFORE contact D Royal INGAME IN PERSON OR VIA INGAME MAIL.ALL RACES ALL LANGUAGES ALL TIMEZONES THE MORE THE BETTER. thank u for reading and C U IN EVE
Wotar	Posted - 2007.02.02 12:27:00 - [347]
Cyrano Tyranus	Posted - 2007.02.02 13:28:00 - [348] wow is this still going? I think the prize for the corp PR manager goes to The OP. Wether he is BOB alt or not, he has certainly put BOB in the spotlight and publicity os always a good thing for a Corp.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.02.02 13:44:00 - [349] Well you know back in the day...Huzzah gave BoB a bloody nose, and a fat lip...not to mention that black eye. They are not supper human gameing machines...they can and have been fought. If you as the players of Eve think BoB is a threat....well there is one and only one solution. Take them out. In the mean time Go BoB Go...got $100.00 on a bet.... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Verbol Kint	Posted - 2007.02.02 13:46:00 - [350] Originally by: fire 59 [ The alliance has a predigree for stamina and learning from mistake's. And a bunch of Devs in the alliance doesn't hurt either.

Taipan Gedscho Taipan Industries	Posted - 2007.02.02 13:48:00 - [351] Originally by: Reshei ...The main factor in BoB overcomming so many people, not just ASCN, is the fact that they have such a huge amount of money that it is frankly incomprehensible. Trillions of ISK are controlled by that alliance through their BPOs of tech 2 gear. Therefore, it is inevitable that they will overcome anyone that comes up against them. There is just no way that anyone else in the game can compete with that kind of raw financial might. It is raw financial might that won World War II and every other war that was ever fought. Patton was once quoted as saying "tactics win battles but LOGISTICS win wars". So are we looking at the takeover of the whole Eve world by one organization? The problem with this is that there is no way for anyone to compete with BoB. No matter how hard someone works, it is impossible for them to get the kind of raw resources that BoB has and CONTINUES to compile. The main reason for this is the fact that BoB ownes so many tech 2 blueprints and makes so much money off of them that "winning the lottery" hardly covers it. The reality of the situation is that this aspect alone means that no one else can compete.... i love the text from the op until the spot he makes his turn to invention. it makes bob not only look like the (insert starwars music here) empire, but also gives you this feeling i got in rl... you know, rich corps getting richer and powerful everyday... and no matter what you buy you gonna support some corp that is producing/fundind landmines/terrorists/governments. SO I HEREBY ANNOUNCE THE "AGAINST SHOPPING"-MOVEMENT everybody hereby is advised to only use looted and selfmanufactured t1(named) modules/ships/implants. this is the only way to stop the iskflow for bob. or something. WE ARE THE PEOPLE.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 13:53:00 - [352] Where do you people dig up these threads from? This thread was garbage then and its garbage now let it die Half Assed Rhymage
JForce N.W.A Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.02.02 14:00:00 - [353] It's not garbage when you read the BoB comments in relation to dev participation, in light of recent information that's come to light. It's one of the few places where people can discuss this issue. There are serious allegations currently, such as: BoB knowing event plans ahead of time, the information coming directly from CCP, allowing BoB to plan their participation and profit from the events A CCP employee becoming a BoB director, and possibly providing multiple tech2 BPOs to the alliance BoB accounts being treated less harshly than others when evidence of account trading surfaces There are many others. Are they true? I have no idea at this stage. Is it worth discussing? Hell yes.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 14:09:00 - [354] Originally by: JForce It's not garbage when you read the BoB comments in relation to dev participation, in light of recent information that's come to light. It's one of the few places where people can discuss this issue. There are serious allegations currently, such as: BoB knowing event plans ahead of time, the information coming directly from CCP, allowing BoB to plan their participation and profit from the events A CCP employee becoming a BoB director, and possibly providing multiple tech2 BPOs to the alliance BoB accounts being treated less harshly than others when evidence of account trading surfaces There are many others. Are they true? I have no idea at this stage. Is it worth discussing? Hell yes. But why on this forum why does all the COAD drama always spill over here? All these OMG BOB threads were annoying during the war and annoying now. And you may have noticed my sig but its just for fun . If you want to discuss it please do so in a thread that doesn't have such a ridiculous title Half Assed Rhymage
Frug SYOID Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.02.02 14:16:00 - [355] Originally by: JForce BoB knowing event plans ahead of time, the information coming directly from CCP, allowing BoB to plan their participation and profit from the events Events like what? I get the impression they have things like wars keeping them busy so I'm wondering what 'events' they'd even care about. Originally by: JForce A CCP employee becoming a BoB director, and possibly providing multiple tech2 BPOs to the alliance Sounds quite unlikely but that would be total garbage and I'd like to see the name of this mysterious CCP employee and get a formal denial. At least get his name dude. Originally by: JForce BoB accounts being treated less harshly than others when evidence of account trading surfaces I'm pretty sure they have accounts of their own that they'd be pretty happy with... - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 14:26:00 - [356] Originally by: JForce It's not garbage when you read the BoB comments in relation to dev participation, in light of recent information that's come to light. It's one of the few places where people can discuss this issue. There are serious allegations currently, such as: BoB knowing event plans ahead of time, the information coming directly from CCP, allowing BoB to plan their participation and profit from the events A CCP employee becoming a BoB director, and possibly providing multiple tech2 BPOs to the alliance BoB accounts being treated less harshly than others when evidence of account trading surfaces There are many others. Are they true? I have no idea at this stage. Is it worth discussing? Hell yes. You can't actually discuss it though. There was a big stickied thread on the subject that made 24 pages very quickly and got loked by Kieron. Trying to discuss it in another thread is just asking to get it locked too, not to mention necroing... So IBTL -----
DarkFenix Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 14:31:00 - [357] Originally by: JForce It's not garbage when you read the BoB comments in relation to dev participation, in light of recent information that's come to light. It's one of the few places where people can discuss this issue. There are serious allegations currently, such as: BoB knowing event plans ahead of time, the information coming directly from CCP, allowing BoB to plan their participation and profit from the events A CCP employee becoming a BoB director, and possibly providing multiple tech2 BPOs to the alliance BoB accounts being treated less harshly than others when evidence of account trading surfaces There are many others. Are they true? I have no idea at this stage. Is it worth discussing? Hell yes. This has already been discussed in CAOD, been locked, discussed in another topic in GD, locked, and now an old BoB thread gets necroed to discuss it again . There isn't actually any point in discussing it anyway. CCP are investigating it, nobody else can really make any properly informed and trustworthy points on the matter. All topics like this do is lead to the inevitable flaming of BoB and the topic's eventual locking.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.02 14:35:00 - [358] IBTL IASBRP (I after stupid bob related post) IMAA (I made another acronym) Half Assed Rhymage
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.02 14:48:00 - [359] This is getting to the point where people are just making stuff up, and actually believing it.

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