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Clogs'R'us Caldari Cheesy Poofs	Posted - 2007.01.03 14:24:00 - [181] Originally by: Reshei 1) Seed the Tech 2 BPOs on the market And what happens to the smaller corps that are dependent on the income a Tech 2 BPO brings in? These are corps that could one day challenge Bob or any other alliance?
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.03 15:02:00 - [182] Who is this BoB you speak of? I remember "What about Bob?" movie with Bill Murray. He seems kinda strange. baby steps..... Anyway I hope all your scary forecasts and predictions come true and BoB tries to take over the game. FUnny thing is that its a game. A game you cant win. You dont have to win. You can stop playing for a month come back and play like never before. New NPC NPC Market
adriaans Amarr The Sirius Cybernetics	Posted - 2007.01.03 15:14:00 - [183] winning a war don't make you the conquerer of the world... --sig-- Knowledge is power!
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.01.03 15:23:00 - [184] Wow, another BoB thread. changes the channel ---------------------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
JINX HSC Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.03 15:30:00 - [185] Brian Boru and hes shadow will win eve.. - KLADDKAKA -
Iva Soreass Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.03 15:59:00 - [186] IBTL ! I like bob, but cmon so much of this bs on the forums its old already. Change the channel this **** gets very boreing very quick. ----------------------------------------------- "Your momma is so fat, BoB thought she was a region and took her!"
Sumayyah Minmatar Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.03 16:05:00 - [187] If everyone was really worried about bob they would all sign a pact to join up to bring down BOB. I'm an ! I will always be an ! that is all I have to say But thats not all!!! Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact Jet Collins in game.
Ikoh	Posted - 2007.01.03 16:26:00 - [188] Edited by: Ikoh on 03/01/2007 16:26:56 Originally by: Sumayyah If everyone was really worried about bob they would all sign a pact to join up to bring down BOB. So lets assume you get an alliance large enough to take BoB on. Lets assume this massive alliance has what it takes to beat them and does so. You are now in a situation where an alliance is in total domination of 0.0 EVE. How is this any better than BoB doing it? Why should some other aliance do it instead of Bob?
Noriath	Posted - 2007.01.03 16:46:00 - [189] Originally by: Cipher7 Luck is part of capitalism SIR. Some people get born rich. Everybody is dealt a different set of cards, its what you do with them that defines you. We have enough communism/socialism in RL, we dont need it in Eve. That really doesn't apply in Eve, there is no such thing as copyright laws and patents protecting people who have blueprints, they can hand out advanced military hardware to everyone who can afford it, but that braindead BPO system keeps the secrets of how to make it out of everyone elses hands regardless. There is nothing in place that really keeps people from just stealing the designs for a tech 2 item except for the fact that somehow you can throw a high tech device on the free market, have everyone buy them and still expect to be the only one who can make it a day later. That's just stupid. I mean maybe the empires have some kind of patents so unless you have an original blueprint you can't sell there, but that sure as hell wouldn't keep ye olde pirate corperation from reverse engineering the item... Besides, unlike in real life, when the wealthy screw you in eve you're not supposed to just take it up the you know where, you're supposed to kill them and take their stuff.
Sumayyah Minmatar Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.03 16:47:00 - [190] Originally by: Ikoh Edited by: Ikoh on 03/01/2007 16:26:56 Originally by: Sumayyah If everyone was really worried about bob they would all sign a pact to join up to bring down BOB. So lets assume you get an alliance large enough to take BoB on. Lets assume this massive alliance has what it takes to beat them and does so. You are now in a situation where an alliance is in total domination of 0.0 EVE. How is this any better than BoB doing it? Why should some other aliance do it instead of Bob? I didn't say aliance I said pacht. Many Aliances join a pacht to take down BoB once BoB is gone they brake the pacht and start killing each other again duhhhh. I'm an ! I will always be an ! that is all I have to say But thats not all!!! Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact Jet Collins in game.

Freaky Bare Minmatar Blueprint Haus Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:07:00 - [191] It is very true that warp-to-0 has changed the bounds of territory tremendously. It has made it possible to run a fleet a considerable distance in a short time. This does help defend an Empire. Warp-to-0 has also opened wide gaps into 0.0. Stopping entry into 0.0 now requres a warp bubble. It is virtually impossibe to stop any reasonably intelligent player from running through a gate-camp without 1. It is also much easier to scout opposing areas, for this same reason. This is just another of the things influenced by warp-to-0. For better or worse - and I mostly like it - it has changed 0.0. I am not an Alt, I am punctuation.
Professor Poontang	Posted - 2007.01.03 19:02:00 - [192] Just wait for ccp to toss them the factional warfare bone, that'll grant them immortality. Edit* I just saw Darius's post after posting/ No suprises thats what they are lobbying for.
Suze'Rain	Posted - 2007.01.03 19:45:00 - [193] Originally by: Jim McGregor Ever heard what happened to the Roman Empire? the leaders of bob will start having suspicious stains on their togas and their PR writer will be known as Juvenal... their titan will burn while they play the fiddle... one of them will elect their favorite battleship to the senate... kick their own alt to death, and sleep with their mother... then they will have a fleet of brutusahem brutix stab them in the back.... while everyone else sits in empire going "what've BoB ever done for us, eh?" and form alliances called the "popular peoples front of jita" and "the Jita popular people's front"? sorry. had to be said :)
Soporo	Posted - 2007.01.03 19:55:00 - [194] Edited by: Soporo on 03/01/2007 19:56:53 Good for them. Bad for the small man. Yes, T2 BPO lotto is retarded, wonder what will happen when T3 rolls around (in a few YEARS). shrugs The thing that trips my trigger is the fact that DEV's are in Alliances and actively involved in the game at all. Whether they use any special knowledge to get one up or pass this on to friends is beside the point. It's the PERCEPTION that a group of Dev's are active in the game and in large Alliances... it taints everything the Alliance might accomplish, and just leaves a bad taste lingering. null Quote: then they will have a fleet of brutusahem brutix stab them in the back.... You should be thrown to the lions for this...
Alerce	Posted - 2007.01.03 20:29:00 - [195] So if the Bobbies win eve I, can we then finally get EVE II and a better way with research?
The Wizz117	Posted - 2007.01.03 20:45:00 - [196] bob taking over whole eve? they must have no life at all! and how can we kill somting that has no life? ------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
Shi Mun Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.01.03 21:44:00 - [197] If thou art afraid of big bad bob, then let us band together and destroy the common enemy! --------------------------- HAHA! your jammers suck now! Oh wait whats happening to my scorpion...
Xaintrix The Shadow Order The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2007.01.04 00:27:00 - [198] I don't know about anyone else, but despite that big huge chunk of color I see on the soverignty map... they haven't impacted me playing the game and having fun. It COULD get bad... but could isn't what it is now or even in the near future. There a lot of things that "COULD" happen. The whole Nostradamus thing though is a bit tired. :) "I'm left to wonder that if ASCN had won the conflict if we would be seeing basically the same post by the OP?" What a lovely point made. Gold star for you! ^_^
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.04 00:48:00 - [199] Originally by: Suze'Rain Originally by: Jim McGregor Ever heard what happened to the Roman Empire? the leaders of bob will start having suspicious stains on their togas and their PR writer will be known as Juvenal... their titan will burn while they play the fiddle... one of them will elect their favorite battleship to the senate... kick their own alt to death, and sleep with their mother... then they will have a fleet of brutusahem brutix stab them in the back.... while everyone else sits in empire going "what've BoB ever done for us, eh?" and form alliances called the "popular peoples front of jita" and "the Jita popular people's front"? sorry. had to be said :) You win this thread -----------------------------------------------
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:06:00 - [200] Edited by: xOm3gAx on 04/01/2007 02:09:03 Originally by: Major Stormer OP is a idiot. Many people including myself will fight to the last stand against BOB. Nothing in eve lasts forever. They called Curse Alliance unbeatable, they called ASCN unmoveable. Look at them now. Well what happend with the CA was we started fighting ourselves and spreading to thin... We became the roman empire so to speak... at least thats how i see it and once us pvp'ers left the CA fell pretty quick. Originally by: Bawldeux IV Edited by: Bawldeux IV on 02/01/2007 23:05:57 wow, ASCN fought for over 3 months, and people still think it was a fast war. ASCN was huge, was forced to take on BoB...it lost due to deadweight and traitors...not due to the lack of trying by the pilots that fought day in and day out for 3 months....what other alliance can claim a war that long against a group of pvp'ers such as BoB....none can. The CA fought SA for over a year =P Not to mention many other alliances at the same time including XETIC/FSA/the old FIX if i remember right and occasionally the PA though towards the end we allied with them. And the CA in their time was on teh save level as bob is now though albiet smaller due to dif's in playerbase ;) Same thing though. ---------------------------------------- "Mercinaries never die, we just go to hell to regroup." -xOm3gAx '99 Currently Accepting Contracts contact xOm3gAx ingame.

Aknot Wat	Posted - 2007.01.05 07:55:00 - [201] There was never a doubt in my head that BoB's controlling player base are either CCP employees or close friends of theirs. And look, it makes total sense. You have to give the player base the "sense" of controlling their own fate, shaping the world of EvE. Makes for great marketing. A successful business model this does not make. They have to be able to control and shift the game in a way that keeps the model going. More so then they lead on with those "player events" and "nerfing". They need more diret yet passive methods of player control. A super alliance like BoB is the perfect way to do that...transparently. So it's useless to complain about such things. I look at BoB like any of the NPC corps. It's just there and that's the what it is.
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.05 08:18:00 - [202] Originally by: Aknot Wat There was never a doubt in my head that BoB's controlling player base are either CCP employees or close friends of theirs. And look, it makes total sense. You have to give the player base the "sense" of controlling their own fate, shaping the world of EvE. Makes for great marketing. A successful business model this does not make. They have to be able to control and shift the game in a way that keeps the model going. More so then they lead on with those "player events" and "nerfing". They need more diret yet passive methods of player control. A super alliance like BoB is the perfect way to do that...transparently. So it's useless to complain about such things. I look at BoB like any of the NPC corps. It's just there and that's the what it is. Wow I need my Tech 2 Tinfoil Suit made from "NEW" "WITH MORE SHINE" Tin Foil.... --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Sin Xiang	Posted - 2007.01.05 09:38:00 - [203] Originally by: Aknot Wat There was never a doubt in my head that BoB's controlling player base are either CCP employees or close friends of theirs. And look, it makes total sense. You have to give the player base the "sense" of controlling their own fate, shaping the world of EvE. Makes for great marketing. A successful business model this does not make. They have to be able to control and shift the game in a way that keeps the model going. More so then they lead on with those "player events" and "nerfing". They need more diret yet passive methods of player control. A super alliance like BoB is the perfect way to do that...transparently. So it's useless to complain about such things. I look at BoB like any of the NPC corps. It's just there and that's the what it is. do you wear a tinfoil hat at home? are you seriously that paranoid? Even IF CCP saw a need to have some element of controll in EVE greater than what they do, do you really think they'd need to infiltrate BoB? i mean c'mon, dont you read backstory during down time? hitsory repeats. i seroulsy dobt we'ed ever see teh day were BoB dominates 0.0 to this exent but if it ever became neccisary BoB would fall the way of the Ammaran Empire.... someday the Jovians will get cramped for space and send a Mothership after BoB, hell probably just a cruiser. THATS how CCP retains influence. but at teh end of the day theres a .01% chance of that ever being neccisary
Kari Moltov Amarr The Forsakened Companions Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.01.05 09:40:00 - [204] To the OP: You've taken two discrete topics and tried to stick them together with some kind of glue you've just made. Having a lot of isk / decent tech II BPO's in this game does not equate to being able to dominate militarily. It just means you have funds to fall back on if your forces are depleted / BPO's to produce new ships. You're comments are misguided and your conclusions are wrong. ASCN was a very rich alliance, however it didn't "win". BoB are good because they fight well. They do better because when they lose they can afford it. For them, they don't lose enough to run out of isk, ASCN did by the sounds of things.
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:24:00 - [205] BOB have been going 3 years. THey make a good size of ISK from PVPing and conquest. THey have a solid backup of materials, resoruces etc etc to fall back upon. They charge renter alliances that use their conqueored space large amounts of ISK for access and to be left as blue. They are dominant PVP,industrial and organised organisation that much is sure. D2 is their only main rival as well as RA but they are much smalelr and have made their ISK on plex farming.
CDS Leader Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:27:00 - [206] Originally by: Kari Moltov BoB are good because they fight well. They do better because when they lose they can afford it. For them, they don't lose enough to run out of isk, ASCN did by the sounds of things. ASCN did not run out of isk - ASCN members did. Nobody knows where ASCN's alliance asset stocks are, and these stocks are probebly some of the largest of any alliance. Join Eve Forum Warriors Free Wardecs on Alliances! A Pirates Dream!
Ikoh	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:43:00 - [207] Originally by: Sumayyah Originally by: Ikoh Edited by: Ikoh on 03/01/2007 16:26:56 Originally by: Sumayyah If everyone was really worried about bob they would all sign a pact to join up to bring down BOB. So lets assume you get an alliance large enough to take BoB on. Lets assume this massive alliance has what it takes to beat them and does so. You are now in a situation where an alliance is in total domination of 0.0 EVE. How is this any better than BoB doing it? Why should some other aliance do it instead of Bob? I didn't say aliance I said pacht. Many Aliances join a pacht to take down BoB once BoB is gone they brake the pacht and start killing each other again duhhhh. Ah its all clear to me now
MellaRinn Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:12:00 - [208] "I'll be back!!!" /me goes to prepare revolution against BOB once we all get suppressed in Empire space and 0.0 alike \o/ Click
ArmagedonLT Amarr Blood Sweat and Tears	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:17:00 - [209] bob have balls, that's all.
subvert	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:28:00 - [210] bob have t2 BPOs, thats all



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