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Reshei	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:23:00 - [1] The BoB Victory over ASCN is yet another indication of just how poerful that alliance is. When we think about the reasons for their victory the situation with the game and its future become potentially bleak and unappealing. The main factor in BoB overcomming so many people, not just ASCN, is the fact that they have such a huge amount of money that it is frankly incomprehensible. Trillions of ISK are controlled by that alliance through their BPOs of tech 2 gear. Therefore, it is inevitable that they will overcome anyone that comes up against them. There is just no way that anyone else in the game can compete with that kind of raw financial might. It is raw financial might that won World War II and every other war that was ever fought. Patton was once quoted as saying "tactics win battles but LOGISTICS win wars". So are we looking at the takeover of the whole Eve world by one organization? The problem with this is that there is no way for anyone to compete with BoB. No matter how hard someone works, it is impossible for them to get the kind of raw resources that BoB has and CONTINUES to compile. The main reason for this is the fact that BoB ownes so many tech 2 blueprints and makes so much money off of them that "winning the lottery" hardly covers it. The reality of the situation is that this aspect alone means that no one else can compete. Lets face it. Invention is an utter flop. The promise of invention was that people that worked hard would be able to use invention and enter tech 2 production, thus driving down the price of tech 2 and the MONSTEROUS proffits the tech 2 BPO owners get. The reality is that the parts to do invention are so rare, difficult to get and once the last piece is actually seeded in the game in the complexes they will be camped 24/7 and likely by people like BoB. Something radical needs to shift in the economy of eve or the alliance wars, the conflict, the politics of the game are going to vanish behind a fleet of 200 BOB carriers and Dreadnoughts and Titans. Tech 2 blueprints have been the IDOCY of CCP. A policy that was il-concieved from the start and il-implemented. It is the most embarassing thing about Eve and the biggest threat to its survival. The implementation of invention is a PATHETIC attempt at resolving the problem. I sugest CCP do the following: 1) Seed the Tech 2 BPOs on the market 2) Control the prices by controlling the rarity of the moon mined minerals and other parts that are needed to create the items. 3) Put a little raw and advanced materials in all T2 gear to create compeditive market that no one can control as anyone even in high sec could moon mine the mins. 4) Switch invention to find out the faction versions of ships and modules in order to compensate for not getting tech 2 BPCs. If CCP doesnt get a handle on this sometime soon, Eve will eventually be Empire Space and BoB Space. People will be frustrated they cant get anywhere or build anthing. Alliances will disolve because they dont have the ABILITY to get the Trillions of ISK to compete and the game will lose its flavor of competition and thse competing. Without massive and RAPID changes to the game, the chances of anyone small being able to do anything will be near 0. And when BoB has taken all of 0.0 we can expect millions of war decs so they can take the rest of eve. Why am I posting on an alt? Simple. I dont want to incur the wrath of BoB either. One doesn't poke a stick in the foot of a giant that can crush you like an ant.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:26:00 - [2] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 02/01/2007 22:28:45 OH GOD BOB WON THE WAR SO THEY R TAKIN OVER EVE!!!!1111 Seriously, the T2 lottery SUCKS donkey parts - but it isn't why BOB won the war. Yes, BOB has a lot of money. However, they had fewer people to make that money with. Do you know what that tells us? It tells us that BOB was simply more unified/dedicated to their cause, skilled in their attacks, and had better tactics and logistics. That aside, there are other alliances that have their share of T2 BPOs. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:29:00 - [3] Ever heard what happened to the Roman Empire? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:29:00 - [4] Idiot go back to the soap opera forums also nerf alt posts Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:31:00 - [5] Certainly was bound to happen, the problem with eve is the double edge sword of only 1 unsharded server. I think most pvp centric games end up with dominant guilds that can ruin the game for people on the server. In most games people will just leave the server to play on another and the uber guild will basically implode the server. With eve there is only 1 server though heh. Might be premature to suggest BOB can implode the server, but certainly time to discuss it. It is human nature for people to want to win and thus people will continue to flock to bob for the EZ mode win.
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:31:00 - [6] BoB Win War ERGO BoB Win Eve ERGO BoB Buy 51% of shares in CCP ERGO BoB introduces Elves to Eve ERGO Everyone rolls shaman _
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:32:00 - [7] I have somehow managed to lead a full and varied life without encountering BoB for a year and a half. I don't expect that to change. There are a lot of other players out there. Meh.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:34:00 - [8] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 02/01/2007 22:36:20 BOB winning the war isn't ruining Eve FFS! They took some space. That's what they're supposed to do in this game. This is a bloody EMPIRE BUILDING GAME! BOB will never be able to take over ALL 0.0 space. Why? - Invite only recruitment practices: They make sure every single invited member fits their standards of quality. People of such quality aren't in infinite supply, thus their troop growth MUST slow to a stop at some point. - A lot of people hate BOB: Right or wrong, agree with BOB or their opposition, one thing is undeniable... that is, a lot of people hate BOB. This means that BOB's forces WILL reach as maximum, and they MUST stop growing at some point. - Given that BOB's troop growth must slow to a stop at some point, there is a maximum quantity of space that they can safely claim and hold. Pretty simple, really. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:35:00 - [9] they can never take over 0.0 its 100% impossible. here is why once you hit a point that nobody fights you, your pvp corps become hungry for combat and start to war dec eachother and cause the once powerfull alliance to eat itself from the inside.
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Reshei Tech 2 blueprints have been the IDOCY of CCP. Some people just ask for it. --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.

Bawldeux IV Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:38:00 - [11] empire or BoB slave....i choose the cancel button instead.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:39:00 - [12] Edited by: Darius Shakor on 02/01/2007 22:39:54 Originally by: Jim McGregor Ever heard what happened to the Roman Empire? I agree with this sentiment. We had a little chat about this once within our alliance. BOB has stated seriously that they want to own every system in EVE. And ok they could do this in theory. They have the skill, organisation and a core of dedicated tactical experts and leaders to c.rack (stupid word filter) the whip and steer the alliance towards goals. However... the world is a little different from theory. Let us assume for one moment that BOB would own every system in eve... every one... boooooring. Every BOB member will eventually get fed up of a lack of fights as that is, afterall, what we all play the game for. The fun of player interactions and the complicated politics. This would not happen if BOB controlled all of EVE and I think on some level they know this themselves too. Sooner or later BOB will get top heavy, large numbers of members will leave, spark a mutiny, make a power play... all really boiling down to them finidng a way to get the fights they are missing. Essentially they implode, eve gets carved up by all the factions shooting eachother for fun and no more BOB owning all systems. This is a natural social process and anyone with qualifications in social studies and psychology will tell you that. Human nature will eventually win out when the fighting slows down. BOB are not looking to take over the whole map so they can bring about 1000 years of peace, order and happyness. They are doing it because they want to be opposed every step of the way. If they finish that journey sooner or later people will get tired of being shot by them, join them because of an inherant desire to be on the winning side... then what? Back to the first sentiment... boooooring. CCP don't have to 'get a handle' on this. The problem will end with natural reactions. Internal strife and a lot of bored people who realise why they are bored and turn on each other. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:40:00 - [13] No Single Alliance can control all of eve, Sure they can stop others from forming something that would challange them, but they can't keep hold of everything. The romans tried it... The **'s tried it... Known Issues & Workarounds** - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to.
Nathanial Victor	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:41:00 - [14] Sometime they'll give a war and nobody will come. ~Carl Sandburg As long as their are NPC stations no one can completely control eve. There is no final victory. No complete win. Only eternal struggle towards your goals. If ppl really think BoB can take over the game, you are wacked in the head. They are good. They are real good. So are alot of other ppl w/ their own agendas that dont sit around thinking about bob all day. But if they became a direct threat to their space, they would fight back and likely it would be effective. Ppl look at ascn like it was a monumental win. It was a war yes, but if you think ASCN was even close to the same pvp stock as BoB your crazy. They had their pilots, but with many of the bloated alliances out there... it was the few pvprs defending the many carebears... and that story has played out many times in eve, always to the same end.
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:42:00 - [15] I don't expect BoB to last the year as the biggest, scariest alliance out there. I also don't see BoB collapsing like ASCN either, but I don't see them being able to stand up to a combined, continued assault by AAA and RaGoon later in the year (I foresee LV falling sooner than most people think) --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:44:00 - [16] He actually makes a few good points. T2 lottery sucks. We all know that. Invention is terrible too. There is no denying that. The supplies of moon materials is what really, really sucks. I have scanned 2 thousand moons in 0.0 although not as deep as BoB territory as I would likely have gotten killed just for being there. And you know how many I found that were beyond mercury in rarity? 0. Not one. Unfortunately anything besides regular plating requires one of the 4 rares. And again, unfortunately, those materials are controlled by the bigger alliances. You can own all the T2 BPOs you want but if the supply of moon materials is control by someone else, it doesn't really matter now does it?
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:45:00 - [17] What will the alt army do when Bob finally implodes? When TAOSP/Evol are blasting BNC, who are killing DICE...etc? Post with their mains? Get their alliance to fight the Civil war of BoB? Nothing? Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:45:00 - [18] Guys, if we all help we can make this thread a big deal. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Reshei Tech 2 blueprints have been the IDOCY of CCP. Some people just ask for it. lmao gotta love it when people do that Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
Bawldeux IV Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq Guys, if we all help we can make this thread a big deal. CCP like BoB CCP = BoB (according to some) So really, do you expect to see CCP do anything to ruin BoB fun??

Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia What will the alt army do when Bob finally implodes? Start a company blowing up hot air balloons? --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
Nathanial Victor	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Verus Potestas I don't expect BoB to last the year as the biggest, scariest alliance out there. fairly bold statement, and they probly will do fine in next year Originally by: Verus Potestas I foresee LV falling sooner than most people think i dunno, most ppl think that will be pretty fast
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:57:00 - [23] OP is a idiot. Many people including myself will fight to the last stand against BOB. Nothing in eve lasts forever. They called Curse Alliance unbeatable, they called ASCN unmoveable. Look at them now.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim McGregor Ever heard what happened to the Roman Empire? Amen. A) If BoB gets too large it will collapse under its own weight, Roman Empire style. B) There have been plenty of alliances out there, past and present, who could take BoB on. Not saying they could win, but they could make things very bad for BoB. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Bawldeux IV Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Major Stormer OP is a idiot. Many people including myself will fight to the last stand against BOB. Nothing in eve lasts forever. They called Curse Alliance unbeatable, they called ASCN unmoveable. Look at them now. when was the last time you fought BoB??
Freighter Pilot	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:02:00 - [26] Edited by: Freighter Pilot on 02/01/2007 23:03:37 I, for one, am not going to worry about it until BoB actually takes over enough of the EVE universe. Until then they are just a really big alliance. EDIT: Also, there are more people not in BoB than in BoB. Just because you can't handle them doesn't mean they are invincible. Quit flattering yourself.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:05:00 - [27] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 02/01/2007 23:08:23 I think I will roll shaman right away. And gratz to BoB winning EVE I guess. Personally I would not have invested half the time on something that I do not own. CCP still cash in every single one of the real iskies every month, do not forget that. EDIT: I guess that means CCP still are the winners of EVE. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Bawldeux IV Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:05:00 - [28] Edited by: Bawldeux IV on 02/01/2007 23:05:57 wow, ASCN fought for over 3 months, and people still think it was a fast war. ASCN was huge, was forced to take on BoB...it lost due to deadweight and traitors...not due to the lack of trying by the pilots that fought day in and day out for 3 months....what other alliance can claim a war that long against a group of pvp'ers such as BoB....none can.
Ghoest	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:07:00 - [29] BOB may have won the game or essentially have won. Wherever you went - here you are.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Nathanial Victor Sometime they'll give a war and nobody will come. ~Carl Sandburg As long as their are NPC stations no one can completely control eve. There is no final victory. No complete win. Only eternal struggle towards your goals. If ppl really think BoB can take over the game, you are wacked in the head. All that depends on what Faction Warfare brings into the game. That will allow you to take over NPC empire space and, last dev notes I saw about this, there was talk of allowing player alliances to take npc empire space for themselves too instead of it being just for another npc empire. That is what BOB want to see. I know this because I was in a round table with a couple of BOB members at the '05 FF and they asked for that very thing to be introduced in the game. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3



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