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Nostradamu	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:29:00 - [211] Originally by: CDS Leader ASCN did not run out of isk - ASCN members did. Nobody knows where ASCN's alliance asset stocks are, and these stocks are probebly some of the largest of any alliance. Wrong. Some of us do know where the stuff went, and what its currently being used for, instead of what it was meant to be used for. Yes, look to where the fingers were pointed the last time this happened.
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:31:00 - [212] Reshei is now a confirmed Cryvok alt... you do realise bob doesnt have that many members right? and only a small ammount of corps right? You also realise that ASCN is (was?) an alliance filled with a lot of carebearish types and did have some good PVPers but not enough... they learnt a lot during the war but the fact remains that BoB is very tightly knit... and very strong in PVP... whether you see them as a friend or foe you should at least acknowledge that they are good. BoB is smallish in number and keeps it that way by choice. If you really think they're going to take over eve this week check out the map.... it would not only take a lot of work on their part to take even a largish chunk of it but holding it would be impossible as they would be stretched to thin. Now get back to work mining for your next titan tis probably about time i said that these are my views and do not represent my alliance or corp in my sig... also i enjoy the way that this whinge about bob morphed into a rant about t2.... seeding more BPOs wont really help... no... 90% of bpos arent held by bob... and t2 crap is still available.. it just costs too much for now. Give CCP a few months to fix invention (wtf were they thinking.......) and then go nuts on the forum.
subvert	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:35:00 - [213] Originally by: Aphotic Raven Reshei is now a confirmed Cryvok alt and just how did your confirm this?
JadeO Caldari W.A.S.P	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:22:00 - [214] woah... from 8 to 80... jeez! ______________ Looking for a good signature, logo, website layout? EVEMail me!
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:34:00 - [215] Originally by: Reshei It is raw financial might that won World War II and every other war that was ever fought. actually it was the unpreparedness of the wehrmacht for the harsh russian winter, and the millions upon millions of russian soldiers hurling themselves at the german army that LOST the war. combine that with the D-Day landings opening a second front on the already thinly streatched german forces, and you've got a disaster on your hands. logistics did win that war, but not who had more money, but how the german forces did not have enough fuel, and supplies, and how they were spread so thinly over the vast space that is the russian stepes. also Vietnam was not won by financial might, the US army had one of the most powerful economies in the world in their hands, and they still lost (sorry, were forced to withdraw). my point is, money doesn't always mean you win. it's numbers, it's tactics, and sometimes it's just shear balls of steel that wins teh day. logistics is not who has the fattest wallet, it's who can get the right resources to the right place at the right time. all wars boil down to getting one man with one gun and one bullet into the right place at the right time. ========================================== Iy
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:41:00 - [216] I had to LOL at the OP. There's a number of things wrong with it that I'm sure have already been covered in the OP. One thing that's always amused me about people complaining about BOB is that the way the posts are written, it's almost as if people see BOB as a person. BOB wants this, BOB wants that. Bob has this, BOB this, BoB that. Really, they are six corperations - they have hundreds of players, they are not simply one entity with one voice and one mind. Next is this idea that BoB wants to take over all of 0.0 space. I'm pretty sure they don't. They've stated they have laid claim to all of 0.0 space - yes - but this is a joke. They say it because they (see, even I'm refering to BoB as an entity here) know it will annoy people and get them thinking BoB is teh ebil!11oneone. Does BoB have a lot of money? Yes. Does BoB have a lot of T2 BPOs? Well, I'm not sure. For some reason they wont give me access to their lock-down hangers ;) And BoB as an alliance, I doubt has the BPOs. It's more likely owned by a very select few within BoB and I would guess most of them use them for themselves, to sell on the market. I really do doubt that the alliance controls the majority of BPOs and only uses them for themselves. Then there's this insufferable idea that BoB is run by the Eve Developers. The oldest playing Dev chracters don't really play eve any more. I believe Ouver has said this a couple of times - they don't have the time to play. And what is this silly theory and where did it come from? They're the DEVS. If they wanted to have a tech 2 item and to cheat, they'd simply add it into the database at downtime. But they don't do that. If I thought for a minute that the Devs use "alts" in BoB and abuse their positions to get rare items, I'd have left the game a long time ago. To anyone who whines about BoB cheating and all that - get a life. They are simply better than you. It's no more simple than that. I can imagine that when a thread like this gets posted, their directors are all having a chuckle on Team Speak about it. "oh look, here's another one. Apparently this time we steal babies and turn them into food." etc. If you want to be like BoB - join BoB. If you want to defeat them, then simply kill them. If you are too scared to do either, then don't whine about it. -- Yeah, so Caldari suck at close range. Pity you'll never get there. These posts represent those of my corp or alliance. These do reflect official alliance or corp views This is not a dis
Queen Hades	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:43:00 - [217] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 02/01/2007 23:21:45 Popular anti BoB uprising? Ain't going to happen while the people BoB are annhilating are just as bad as the big bad BoB itself. Who has any sympathy for a 0.0 alliance that gets rich shooting everyone and greedily hoarding its resources and then suddenly gets kicked around the room by the arrival of a bigger bully? Nobody thats who. Absolutely true, 100% true. I hate BoB and I fear the day they control all 0.0 space because then we all can either work for RKK wealth or grind missions in empire. No, thanks. But I hate D2 as much as I hate BoB - and I guess most people feel the same. D2 are not as big as BoB, but they are alike when it comes to brutality and malice towards neutrals.
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:48:00 - [218] I think I saw this thread a year ago when ASCN still existed.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.05 14:13:00 - [219] Originally by: Jim McGregor Ever heard what happened to the Roman Empire? What? BoB destory that too? -- [21:54:01] BaroteToo > cheyenne shadowborn is an ore theiving dead puke if I catch him
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.05 14:17:00 - [220] Originally by: Gone'Postal The romans tried it... The ***'s tried it... The Empire against Apostrophes in Pluralism obviously only tried* it, too -- [21:54:01] BaroteToo > cheyenne shadowborn is an ore theiving dead puke if I catch him

Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.05 14:49:00 - [221] BoB killed my cat, stole my cattle, and had forced sexual relations with my horse. When I applied to BoB they told me I had to eat a live kitten to prove I was evil enough to join. I could only eat half so they said no. They then stole my ship. The OP needs to post with his emo ascn main.
Vladikov Orrico	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:12:00 - [222] No alliance is that large or powerful... Ppl have learned it in the past and it is a lesson they will learn again in the future. All it takes is someone with an alt and the patience and skill to spend a year or more working their way into the core of the alliance. Trust is a powerful thing...and betrayal is another. The larger an alliance grows, the more of each they will have. Implosion is the future of any alliance, and it just takes that one infiltration to incite change. Once an alliance starts to crumble, ppl will flee for safe haven and the promise of protection and new ISK. Just give it time...change does not happen overnight.
Helen Tranter	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:34:00 - [223] I will say again BOB used in game rule bending and more importantly out of game tactics such as personal attacks and disruption of ascn's TS (playing music etc) and faking killmails, and alot of other stuff that I had no personal experiance of. This is what they set out to do and they called it Total War. What is sad is I don't see this being stopped just like the isk farmers in Eve. I am not flaming Bob just stating a fact, if it was not BOB it would have been someother allience doing this. Its Eves loss and CCP's failer and will kill eve off if nothing is done to control this style of gameplay. The Dev's should take a good long hard look at this issue and GM's should Not try to solve this problem by pushing one or another allience against Bob. GMs should judge not interact in eve's gameplay!!
Buzzmong Gallente Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:43:00 - [224] Anyone remember stain? The fairly large alliance that had what was essentially a civil war and split up? It will happen eventually to BoB. Someone, somewhere, will go "Hey, I'm fighting and fighting for something else, a cause that isnt mine....I want something for myself!". --------------------------------- Member of Raptus Regaliter
Jas Dor	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:43:00 - [225] BoB "won" because they generate billions of ISK a week by selling access to "their" space to Chinese farmer corps. The entire ASCN war bought and paid for by varius RL farmer companies that wanted access to the space/to cut out some competiton. Welcome to EvE the first game that farmers have been able to bar most of the game from content then sell the drops.
Furious George Amarr Evolution	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:59:00 - [226] George runs through this thread nekkid except for a tinfoil hat... on his head.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:07:00 - [227] Ironicly I get snipped for trolling in a thread that is nothing but a flamebait started by an alt. If BoB stays their current size they will be constantly fighting to control what they have currently. If BoB gets bigger they will fracture. Lets pretend something really impossible happened and every major pvp corp and alliance 'joined' BoB. Ok now 'BoB' controls all of 0.0. How long do you think that will last? Oh and to one of the above posts. ISK sales had nothing to do with the death of ASCN, at least not on BoB's part. While many ASCN members went broke, ASCN as an alliance spent almost nothing on the war.
BoBoZoBo Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:16:00 - [228] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 02/01/2007 22:29:56 owever, they had fewer people to make that money with (than did their enemy). Do you know what that tells us? It tells us that BOB was simply more unified/dedicated to their cause, skilled in their attacks, and had better tactics and logistics. That aside, there are other alliances that have their share of T2 BPOs. (Edited for clarity) Ditto - BoB is just an organized group of people who are quite dedicated to this game. It is as simple as that. They have thier shit together and some people dont like that.. . oh well. ========================= Minister of Propaganda* - Operator 9
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:19:00 - [229] Originally by: Iyanah Originally by: Reshei It is raw financial might that won World War II and every other war that was ever fought. actually it was the unpreparedness of the wehrmacht for the harsh russian winter, and the millions upon millions of russian soldiers hurling themselves at the german army that LOST the war. combine that with the D-Day landings opening a second front on the already thinly streatched german forces, and you've got a disaster on your hands. logistics did win that war, but not who had more money, but how the german forces did not have enough fuel, and supplies, and how they were spread so thinly over the vast space that is the russian stepes. also Vietnam was not won by financial might, the US army had one of the most powerful economies in the world in their hands, and they still lost (sorry, were forced to withdraw). my point is, money doesn't always mean you win. it's numbers, it's tactics, and sometimes it's just shear balls of steel that wins teh day. logistics is not who has the fattest wallet, it's who can get the right resources to the right place at the right time. all wars boil down to getting one man with one gun and one bullet into the right place at the right time. finnaly someone that read a real history book. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Nostradamu Clandestia	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:42:00 - [230] Originally by: Herculite Oh and to one of the above posts. ISK sales had nothing to do with the death of ASCN, at least not on BoB's part. While many ASCN members went broke, ASCN as an alliance spent almost nothing on the war. Correct. The vast majority seems to have been kept back for a very specific task.

Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:50:00 - [231] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Iyanah Originally by: Reshei It is raw financial might that won World War II and every other war that was ever fought. logistics did win that war, but not who had more money, but how the german forces did not have enough fuel, and supplies, and how they were spread so thinly over the vast space that is the russian stepes. finnaly someone that read a real history book. Allied technology did a lot to win the war as well, especially at sea. During 1942 the German U-Boat forces were on the brink of bringing the Allied cross-Atlantic covnoys to a halt which would have doomed the defense of Britain and the leadup to D-Day. However incredible advancements in Radio Detection, Radar and Sonar and intense training and experience of Allied air and sea convoy escort sailors brought the Kriegsmarine to it's knees. Not to mention the breaking of the Enigma codes which let Allied commanders know every move the Axis was making and the Axis' poor tactical choices. Perhaps we need upgraded ECM to defeat BoB! -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:54:00 - [232] I don't visit the political forums much, but generally, how long does it take these stupid BoB threads to die? Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
Nostradamu Clandestia	Posted - 2007.01.05 17:09:00 - [233] they don't, they just morph into another thread that then becomes a bob thread.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.05 17:39:00 - [234] Originally by: DarkMatter I don't visit the political forums much, but generally, how long does it take these stupid BoB threads to die? Page 8 or 9 if its just a normal bob thread, but with the extra alts on the general forum, this one goes to 11.
Rakor Tang Minmatar The Jinxed Inc	Posted - 2007.01.05 17:59:00 - [235] Originally by: Sergio Ling BoB Win War ERGO BoB Win Eve ERGO BoB Buy 51% of shares in CCP ERGO BoB introduces Elves to Eve ERGO Everyone rolls shaman LMFAO To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy themselves. Sun Tzu
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:01:00 - [236] Originally by: Helen Tranter I will say again BOB used in game rule bending and more importantly out of game tactics such as personal attacks and disruption of ascn's TS (playing music etc) and faking killmails, and alot of other stuff that I had no personal experiance of. If you have no personal experience of it, how can you accuse them of it? What evidence do you have? etc. -- Yeah, so Caldari suck at close range. Pity you'll never get there. These posts represent those of my corp or alliance. These do reflect official alliance or corp views This is not a dis
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:08:00 - [237] There are some absolute classic posts in this thread, it's intensely amusing. I could pick some of the above posts to pieces and highlight some of the common misconceptions but it's funnier just to let it run. Thanks for the entertainment and enjoy your time in BoB Online. Blog
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:11:00 - [238] Originally by: Furious George George runs through this thread nekkid except for a tinfoil hat... on his head. A thread winnar is you. Now move this to Corp/Alliance forums, please. This is not general discussion, and I need my daily laughs at people whining about macro miners (which, incidentally, this thread has) ---------------------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Raven DeBlade Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:17:00 - [239] Originally by: Bawldeux IV Edited by: Bawldeux IV on 02/01/2007 23:05:57 wow, ASCN fought for over 3 months, and people still think it was a fast war. ASCN was huge, was forced to take on BoB...it lost due to deadweight and traitors...not due to the lack of trying by the pilots that fought day in and day out for 3 months....what other alliance can claim a war that long against a group of pvp'ers such as BoB....none can. PA fought BoB for well over 14 months... its called "Great Northern War" for a reason. "To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:23:00 - [240] So if BoB doesn't have the greatest number of DEV alts in it, which alliance does? Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead



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