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Cipher7	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:57:00 - [151] Edited by: Cipher7 on 03/01/2007 11:58:35 double post
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:58:00 - [152] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Cipher7 So you're saying what, that people on welfare who live in their mom's basement dominate Eve? Yep, makes sense to me. It's great that people always have that old gem to fall back on. It's much easier to explain away your failures in a game, by pretending that the enemy are failures in RL. Personally, I travel all over the world as a trainer, and management for a large company. The difference between a BoB member and you, is that I would be happy to login and take down a POS or whatever is needed of me while sitting in an airport waiting for the next flight. It isn't the hours we play (I probably play less than most), it's the dedication to our friends that we play this game with. Make fun of our RL as much as you want, it's always a good laugh. Yeah I guess that's what we all lack, dedication. BoB is just uber like that. Yall got superior genes. I mean the rest of us are just logging in to sit in our hangar and eat Krispy Kreme. I'll let you get back to your super successful life, I mean you must have a supermodel waiting for you in bed or something.
Gericault m0id Contention Inc	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:08:00 - [153] Edited by: Gericault m0id on 03/01/2007 12:11:07 The power in BoB is not merely economical. I don't have any insider information but my understanding is that ASCN mustered equal or perhaps even greater economic might. BoBs strength comes from unity and brilliant leadership and it is only helped by a big T2 library. If you want to destroy BoB you either need great PvPers that can sink the egos of their BoB counterparts (D2?). Or you need to break them from within; guerilla warfare. Have you ever ventured into Period Basis, Delve or Fountain? You can easily get a few BoB and/or pet-corp kills if you're careful and a quick runner. That way you can break their morale (hopefully). Edit. I envisage thousands of regular eve-players infiltrating BoB space, shooting easy targets and escaping all BoBs err... I mean Blobs
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:08:00 - [154] Originally by: Jacque D'eath One thing that has been overlooked in this discussion to date is the future plans for Sovereignty which would make defence of any 0.0 "Empire" much easier. - Gate Guns - Constellation sovereignty - Inability to Cyno into other sovereign territory etc. Once these come in all it takes is for the alliance controlling the most space to set up the appropriate defences to free up their fleet. Assaulting an area held like this would be MUCH harder. These will allow for a smaller fleet to effectively protect a much larger space. How does this impact BoB? û well, with ASCN virtually gone BoB will hold more space (valuable space) than anyone else, this gives greater resources to draw on for any assault on a smaller sovereign space, any conquered space then gets built up and added to the existing fortress creating an upward spiral of greater resource protecting more and more valuable assets. The slave corps will be able to hunt and get fat in the absence of player gank squads which canÆt get past the gate defences and these corps will of course be expected to defend anything which does get into their territory until BoB can show up. I canÆt see anyone else mustering the resource to shift BoB once these defences become available, they would have to have large and extremely well co-ordinated fleets and ***** the static defences even before hitting the BoB fleet and then moving onto PoS, Stations etc. All the while BoB can be locking down their other systems and still building resource. . . . . I guess time will tell This is why IMO, CCP goofed, and made it too easy for alliances to hold so much space. The changes to SOV will make the existing alliances 1000X harder to supplant than they currently are... They really goofed on the POS/moon mining stuff. That required alliances to need to control entire regions to have advanced reaction chains, etc... I'll reiterate, alliances should be operating on the constellation level, not regional level. However the resource distribution (ore, moons, ratting, plexes, etc) does not allow for that... Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
Electric Cucumber Amarr coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:12:00 - [155] did ASCN players stop playing? no!
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:13:00 - [156] Originally by: Noriath Tech 2 Economy is unfair because it isn't based on who makes the best effort, it's based on who gets lucky. It doesn't support the princibles of capitalism that are the basis of Eve, it's artificial monopolies that can't be broken, can't be atacked, and simply have no good reason to exist. Tech 2 BPOs are the single worst factor in Eve. Luck is part of capitalism SIR. Some people get born rich. Everybody is dealt a different set of cards, its what you do with them that defines you. We have enough communism/socialism in RL, we dont need it in Eve.
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:13:00 - [157] Originally by: Electric Cucumber did ASCN players stop playing? no! CYVOK did --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:13:00 - [158] If u realy think BOB wil win eve . Then start to get all non BOB pilots to work together and start to grab some 10/10 complexes back :) As long as we wil not fight together against them i dont see a problem . Or the BOB problem is not big inuf yet .
Torze The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:22:00 - [159] Well, whether BoB takes over all of Eve or falls apart under their own weight, I have alot of respect for what they have accomplished in Eve. I think people need to think of some of the ways that BoB has been GOOD for Eve. For one, we get these wonderfully entertaining threads. :) The panic over BoB is really kind of funny. I'd start worrying about them 'taking over all of Eve' when maybe they were say...halfway there..or 75%. As far as, CCP wanting them to win...whatever. Too many whiners that complain that they got beaten by better players. What does BoB do best...besides being unified which someone already mentioned..but, they adapt. The history of the founding corps in BoB is very very long. You want to beat BoB, then plan. It's not something that could happen overnight, it would take probably over a year but, it could be done. I'm sure being a member of the North, I'll run acrossed BoB someday and, I'll be turning my guns on them. I can tell you that, well, they'll be shooting back and we'll have fun. That's what the game is all about. At the end of the day, I'd be able to say, hey, I was podded by (insert name here) Just as back in the day, I went after Lord Zap and ended up back in a cloning vat in Kisogo
Ormen Tuttle	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:22:00 - [160] Edited by: Ormen Tuttle on 03/01/2007 12:23:49 Empires rise and falls--usually from within. If BOB should take over the universe and had no more external enemies the quest for power within would soon have it at war with itself. Eve is about power--economic power, political power, and military power. The quest for power never ends--even when and if one empire dominates the world. Finally, there are ways to deal with large empires by means with less resources and out right military power--witness Vietnam and the current situation in Iraq.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:25:00 - [161] Originally by: Noriath Tech 2 Economy is unfair because it isn't based on who makes the best effort, it's based on who gets lucky. Some things to consider here.. 1. Bob doesn't really sell it's T2 gear on any large scale. We use it ourselves. This means it brings us limited income (and is more often than not traded when it does leave our alliance). 2. Do you really think that out of the massive amount of EVE subscriptions, the 1500 BoB players win all the BPOs via the lottery? It's a massive effort to build up the resources required to obtain the T2 BPOs we do.
Tachy	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:26:00 - [162] BoB over time soaked up quite a few very good and well organised PvP corps and pretty good solo PVPers on top of their already good military core. With each decent war, they grabbed some more. These groups are supported by a really strong industrial backbone, not to mention a a very nice set of T2 BPO and a couple of highly lucrative complexes. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:28:00 - [163] This is my final post on this retarded thread. What BoB has that other alliances don't is a purpose. They have a reason for existing. They're here to wage jihad and conquer the Eve universe, that is their STATED PURPOSE. The other big alliances exist to exist, they nap each other and just sit there taking up space.
blanked Caldari Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:30:00 - [164] OMG! Bob have the spending power of the united state of america, OMG America _always_ wins everywar they fight. OMG president Bush is Blacklight. OMG ISK > EVEYTHING oh yeah oh my god and stuffs Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:30:00 - [165] Edited by: DarkMatter on 03/01/2007 12:31:10 Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Noriath Tech 2 Economy is unfair because it isn't based on who makes the best effort, it's based on who gets lucky. It doesn't support the princibles of capitalism that are the basis of Eve, it's artificial monopolies that can't be broken, can't be atacked, and simply have no good reason to exist. Tech 2 BPOs are the single worst factor in Eve. Luck is part of capitalism SIR. Some people get born rich. Everybody is dealt a different set of cards, its what you do with them that defines you. We have enough communism/socialism in RL, we dont need it in Eve. He is right when he says the T2 lottery is the biggest CCP blunder. It breaks risk vs. reward rule so damn hard, it's amazing CCP lets it continue... They do so because they are afraid of T2 becoming common. When computer hardware manufacturers make a new product, how long does it stay for the elite only? How long does new car manufacturer tech stay elite? How long does television/communications tech stay elite? It doesn't! I think US military tech stays elite for less time that T2 gear! I hope there is no T3 lottery, just reverse enginerring from here on out... Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
UndergrounD Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:48:00 - [166] Its not the isk, BPO's or assets. Those are just a by product. What they have is determination, and that is the key. -----------------------------------------------
Darla Lockdown	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:50:00 - [167] Originally by: Rod Blaine PA lasted al damn lot longer, and that was without sovereignty to draw out wars artificially, with fewer numbers and a damn sight more fighting. Took us a year to win that one, and it was messier then this one by far. BoB did not win over the PA. Actually it was THE FIVE.
Alexandros Onisos Gallente EAGLE Independent Fleet Corporation Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:57:00 - [168] No way. First of all, as said above, BoB does not just recruit everyone. They have high standards so its not like their ranks will inflate. Also, this Galaxy is HUGE. BoB owns only a handful of the systems available. It's not going to happen.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:03:00 - [169] Umm if BoB hold every region I think you can assume given BoB member numbers that the regions would be a lot like Fountain Ie... Not theirs at all On the other hand, If BoB did own all of Eve's 0.0... Cool !!! Roll on le resistance Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
subvert	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:06:00 - [170] it comes down to this: a poorly designed tech 2 system. Most powerful items in the game, being T2 BPOs, the ability to print ISK at will, was introduced in an incomplete flawed system. the only thing worse than that introduction was that it has stayed in unchanced, as if it's a matter of pride and not wanting to admit a mistake. risk vs reward? nope, best items get handed out at random with no effort and the mechanics dictate ISK printing ability with no risk and no effort. BoB what? yes BoB has BPOs, probably some ccp people too, but Im not complaining about BoB. BoB isnt broken. T2 lottery is. am I off topic? sure, but +1 T2 complain post and gg, good day sirs
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:06:00 - [171] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Edited by: Alliaanna Dalaii on 03/01/2007 09:55:57 Originally by: Helen Tranter Personal experiance Wow thats really convincing evidence coming from an alt Alliaanna Edit - My bad, mebbe your not an alt and your a TNT chap ? No idea I'm not in front of a client. However your evidence is urrr... non exhistant When I was in RKK smack talk was prohibited. I think it highly unlikely they would resort to spamming anyone's TS server. Then again RKK is only one part of BOB and it had it's own flaws. Declining to assist in training could be excused but some of the industrial requests made of me and friends were silly. I wish BOB well but I am certain that once they have no decent enemies left to fight the alliance will fragment and crash. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Freaky Bare Minmatar Blueprint Haus Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:11:00 - [172] I have the inside scoop: BOB is actually run by a group of rogue CIA agents. They are using Eve as a proving ground for tactics furthering their true goal - the eventual domination of Earth's governments. Seriously, BOB will never take over Eve. They will not TRY to take over Eve. They appear to play for the CHALLENGE of destroying their enemies. I assume once ASCN has been mopped up they will find a new opponent. If they ever get to the point that there is no challenge in their fights - they will do something about it. The sky is not falling, Chicken Little. I am not an Alt, I am punctuation.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:12:00 - [173] 07-07-07. Thats the date BoB will cease to be. 07-07-07. Remember this date. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Beetle Boy Minmatar Gentlemen O'Fortune	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:23:00 - [174] now i have nothing against BoB BoB = The Roman Empire Now boys and girls what happened to the Roman Empire?
Jernau Gurgeh Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:35:00 - [175] Originally by: Beetle Boy now i have nothing against BoB BoB = The Roman Empire Now boys and girls what happened to the Roman Empire? It morphed into the Byzantine Empire and lasted for over a thousand years? There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:36:00 - [176] BoB is indeed big and powerfull, does that meen they will take over everything? Well if they do then we will all be BoB and BoB will split into smaller groups as there is noone to fight. EvE by this time has a history, BoB did not exist as BoB at the start but was formed after quite some time, the alliances that came before BoB were very powerfull to and many BoB people were in one or other of them. Why did the old alliances die? Very few were destroyed by an outside force such as another alliance, most were torn apart from the inside. This will happen to BoB too, a war going bad may expediate this split but it is never the real cause of it. Good on ya BoB for beating ASCN! The big question now is: Are you now powerfull enough to open upp a section of 0.0 for the new players to play and learn in?
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.03 14:04:00 - [177] Edited by: Andrue on 03/01/2007 14:04:41 Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh Originally by: Beetle Boy now i have nothing against BoB BoB = The Roman Empire Now boys and girls what happened to the Roman Empire? It morphed into the Byzantine Empire and lasted for over a thousand years? Yup. Also it's alphabet is still in use (we are all using it to post here). Several modern languages are descended from the one Roman citizens used. Scientists and medical practitioners still use its language. Several modern influential countries like the UK and the US operate a legal system derived from the Roman one. America even has a Senate - guess where that name comes from? But...we aren't Roman -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2007.01.03 14:10:00 - [178] Well I can agree that there is a slight chance of it becoming areal problem, but then the easiest anwer is to gang up a stroung enough alliance of alainces to bring up balance. Even market warfare, deny acces to certain stuff by trying to reach monopoly etc... its not easy to tumble a giant. CCp wont do anything by themseves unless it start to reach their pockets. And they are already heling when inserting new regions. Wiht more and more space its harder to get everything under control of a single group. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Pete Tosh	Posted - 2007.01.03 14:13:00 - [179] whoaa this is a veritable sweaty BOB ball licking fest.
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.01.03 14:13:00 - [180] Edited by: Wild Rho on 03/01/2007 14:16:26 Originally by: DarkMatter This is why IMO, CCP goofed, and made it too easy for alliances to hold so much space. The changes to SOV will make the existing alliances 1000X harder to supplant than they currently are... They really goofed on the POS/moon mining stuff. That required alliances to need to control entire regions to have advanced reaction chains, etc... I'll reiterate, alliances should be operating on the constellation level, not regional level. However the resource distribution (ore, moons, ratting, plexes, etc) does not allow for that... I also think insta jumping is a significant factor. The ability for a fully combat fitted BS group to traverse the full length of Eve in an hour with no real problems makes controlling larger areas much easier since it reduces the need for organised logistics (having supply depots of ships and mods near key areas etc) as well as reduces the need to organise where pilots are going to operate (jump cloning also contributes here but at least has a 24 hour delay limiting its use in deployment situations). EDIT: I don't agree with the melodrama of the OP, plenty of reaons why no one entity can control all of Eve, but I do think it's a little too easy to control whole regions and changes coming in only makes it easier. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.

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