In fact, this should MOST DEFINITELY carry a suspect flag so I can't bounce a fleet off a lowsec gate under gate gun protection.

They should be able to shoot me without angering the gate guns if I'm about to port their fleet, or part of it, away.

Can we please type out the stats here on the forums. Not all us have access to Google docs, youtube, etc. because we happen to have moved to a country that blocks this stuff. Thanks

#3 - Suspect timer
I like the idea of dropping these on gate campers who are hugging a gate and attempt to deaggress and jump, and you pull them 100km off gate. Same for smartbombing BS. That's cool. But certainly activating a MJFG needs the suspect timer and to cause gate guns to shoot you as well, because I can see these being used for ala kachuu people who are trying to burn back to gate. Especially the Bifrost/Stork; web off with a Daredevil or Vigilant, CD pulls you 100 off gate and your victim can't even get back to gate. Great.

Bear in mind you have done a lot with the HIC long scram and now this to nerf BCs and BSs in the overall meta, so if you want them to remain viable then you'll need to do a balance pass and give them so new abilities as soon as possible.

If we take 2 command destroyers near each other and activate MJFG with interval of 1 sec, will second MJFG begin spoon up and then both will jump 2 times or second command destroyer will get error and it's MJFG cycle will stop, while it is in first destroyer's MJFG radius?

For those of you worried about a counter - take in mind, for an enemy command destroyer to MJD your group away, it needs to be within 6km of the target. Which means it can easily be countered with a scram in your fleet.

Then I read they're going to be based on existing models. Meh.

So bring a SeBod HIC. It's not exactly hard to stop these.

Maybe, >gasp< you need to adapt your fittings. The horror.



But again, what this comes down to is "MAH ISK/HOUR!!!!!"

No what it comes down to is you being stupid - an incursion fleet is a public fleet, everyone is in a different corp, you cannot therefore scram each other without being blown up by concord so that tactic is out.

The only possible tactic which you could use would be to lock him, shoot him and kill him in the 4 seconds you have before his mjd sends all your logi out of range with bs sized weapons.

Oh and the 4 seconds is not a typo - don't forget that thanks to server ticks you can't react until the server tells your client he has started.

And its not just incursion fleets either - bumping miners is annoying but at least you have to commit one ship per miner you wish to bump, if you allowed this module to be used you now bump a dozen at once in a way they can't counter, or you enter someone's mission and send the rat they have to kill to complete the mission 100km away - repeatedly. etc. etc.

There are lots of ways to either annoy people or kill people in high sec using one of these which cannot be countered thanks to high sec mechanics therefore it is perfectly logical to use the same high sec mechanics to stop them being used. Its no different to bubbles not being allowed in highsec.

Yes, scram will shut off an active MJFG and will also keep any targets in range of one that fires from taking the jump.

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I ******* love the idea of these MJD units. So many great possibilities with these!

Thew only thing that i would be curious to know, is why does eve need more destroyers? What abour BCs ? BSs? Why did you choose another small hull?

There's a lot of specifics to consider here but the big restrictions you need to know are that you cannot use this module in high sec.

Maybe CCP should finally stop breaking the game even more by adding more and more and more new ships.
Tech3 dessies are fun but let us face it they broke balancing horrible.
Think these dessies with their abilities will make eve a mess.

Edit: YES WE HAVE ENOUGH SHIPS IN EVE!!!

Honestly CCP Rise, I would allow its use in high sec. You've got quite the anti-freighter bumping thread going on here and these destroyers could make for a very interesting solution to that problem.

Wow, the amount of people thinking orca and freighters / jf's can be affected by this... go read the first post... DOES NOT AFFECT CAPITALS...

orca and freighters are Capital ships...

Here is a feedback thread for some awesome new ships, Command Destroyers!

So here's the basics. We are adding a new line of Tech II destroyers based on the Algos, Dragoon, Corax and Talwar along with a new type of module called the Micro Jump Field Generator, which the new Destroyers will have exclusive access to. I'm going to go through some basic questions here at the top and then give you all the details after.

First, why Command Destroyers? We have always wanted to do a line of smaller ships that could provide gang support, but we expected to wait until after a rework of the ganglink mechanics, but here we saw a perfect opportunity to bring you this awesome new module and combining the role with gang support seems ideal. We still want to rework links and think these will slot in perfectly to that rework when it happens, but in the mean time you guys get a few awesome new tools.

Second, how exactly does the Micro Jump Field Generator work? This module is exactly like a Micro Jump Drive except that when it fires, it pulls any ships nearby along with it for the jump. There's a lot of specifics to consider here but the big restrictions you need to know are that you cannot use this module in high sec, you can not pull invulnerable targets (ships that have just undocked or just jumped through a gate and are still cloaked), you can not move capitals, and you can not jump into starbase shields. You CAN however do a lot of really crazy thing such as pull bombs that are midair, pull dictor bubbles or chain multiple jumps in a row using several Command Destroyers. As for numbers, we have a base spool up time of 9 seconds, a reactivation delay of 160 seconds, a pull radius of 6km from the ship and a jump distance of 100km. The module requires 5 PG and 31 CPU to fit and requires the same skill as normal MJDs to use.

Now, for the ships themselves. We are aiming to have a set of destroyers that are both faster and more resilient than either their Tech I counterparts or Interdictors, but sacrifice offense. This should make the support role, whether with MJFG or links, easier to fill while leaving them vulnerable to abuse in combat. Their weapon systems will be missile or drone based, like their base hulls.

Here are the bonuses:

MAGUS
Gallente Destroyer Per Level:
10% Bonus to Drone Damage
4% bonus to armor resists
Command Destroyer Per Level:
2% to Armor and Skirmish Warfare link effectiveness
5% reduction in MJFG spool up time
Role: 95% Reduction in Powergrid Requirements for Warfare Links
Role: 50% Reduction in MWD Penalty Signature Bloom
Role: Can fit Micro Jump Field Generators
Role: Can fit one Warfare Link

PONTIFEX
Amarr Destroyer per Level:
10% Bonus to Drone Damage
4% bonus to Armor Resistances
Command Destroyer per Level:
2% to Armor and Information Warfare link effectiveness
5% reduction in MJFG spool up time
Role: 95% Reduction in Powergrid Requirements for Warfare Links
Role: 50% Reduction in MWD Penalty Signature Bloom
Role: Can fit Micro Jump Field Generators
Role: Can fit one Warfare Link

STORK
Caldari Destroyer per Level:
10% to Rocket and Light Missile Damage
4% Bonus to Shield Resistances
Command Destroyer per Level:
2% to Siege and Information link effectiveness per level
5% reduction in MJFG spool up time
Role: 95% Reduction in Powergrid Requirements for Warfare Links
Role: 50% Reduction in MWD Penalty Signature Bloom
Role: Can fit Micro Jump Field Generators
Role: Can fit one Warfare Link


BIFROST
Minmatar Destroyer per Level:
10% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile Damage
4% bonus to shield resists
Command Destroyer per Level:
2% to Siege and Skirmish Warfare link effectiveness
5% reduction in MJFG spool up time
Role: 95% Reduction in Powergrid Requirements for Warfare Links
Role: 50% Reduction in MWD Penalty Signature Bloom
Role: Can fit Micro Jump Field Generators
Role: Can fit one Warfare Link


And for their attributes I'm using a google doc this time for better readability: ATTRIBUTES

As always, we look forward to your feedback. With these ships I'm especially interested in any opinions or insights on the powergrid and CPU numbers, as the ships will probably get used a few different ways and I'm not positive we've accounted for all of them.

If you have any questions or need clarifications please ask, and don't be surprised if there's a typo here and there that needs fixing :)

Thanks !

really guys, what part of the big restrictions you need to know are that you cannot use this module in high sec you guys don't understand?
this mod is banned from high sec, can you get the over it and move on?

what when I sit in one of those new destroyers, scram a target, and then use the micro jump field generator, will the target jump with me? or will it stay where it is because it was scramed by me?