I don't care about incursions, I don't run them.

The bigger point is that ONE ship can, without much warning or notice, wreck an entire incursion fleet. Currently, you need to provide a level of trust (joining a fleet for fleet warps), do something to become a legal target (suspect/killright), or be specifically targeted to lose your ship.

If this class of ship is allowed to use its MJD in high sec, then bombs should be allowed, as they are as indiscriminate and provide at least 10 seconds of warning for ships to get out of the way.

This isn't about who's fun is more important, incursion or gankers. Its recognizing player trends and possible usage cases and ensuring that there is a level playing field for PvP.

You want to kill an incursion fleet, put some effort into it and not 5 seconds to glory. Risk = reward. And 5 seconds is not nearly long enough for the billions from a dead incursion fleet.

I-¦m quite sure those new Ships will offer a whole lot of new tactical possibilites for fleets of all sizes - and im quite thrilled to see them in action -
but there is also concern.

Have you considered what this ship is gonna do for the Wormhole Resident especially during sieges of your homesystem ?
It is gonna become really hard to fight under the guns of your Citadel because your fleet can be split apart in all directions and unlike elsewhere a lost ship and a lost capsule means, when under sieges that you are out of the fight (and therefore most likely the whole siege) for good.
We can-¦t just clone jump back in our wormhole - Deciding over the succes or failure of a siege is one decisive battle where the defender is in generall throwing everything they have in the ring - knowing when they are pod killed there is gonna be no redo - than an attacker knowing what they are doing won-¦t ever allow you back in if they have a say in it.

I for one don-¦t think it is a good idea to let those new destroyers decide the fate of such fights, and therefore the fate of all the stored assets in it, by a simple cycle of their module and perhaps some lucky falcon jam preventing you from scraming it, and therefore from using this module.
You have to remember, most of the time the only Defenders advantage in j-space is, that you get to use the big ships (bigger ships than the aggresor - and those things are awfully bad at locking something) and your, in the future, manned citadel removing both those advantages through the introduction of one ship is awful.

So i urge you to considere a zone around citadels where this module is prohibited from use, or at least consider somekind of field around Citadels greatly increasing the cycle time of them - giving the defender some well needed edge in those fights.
Because for Wormhole Corps, a fight over a citadel is gonna be a fight for their survival and that is by no means and exaggeration.

I don't care about incursions, I don't run them.

The bigger point is that ONE ship can, without much warning or notice, wreck an entire incursion fleet. Currently, you need to provide a level of trust (joining a fleet for fleet warps), do something to become a legal target (suspect/killright), or be specifically targeted to lose your ship.

If this class of ship is allowed to use its MJD in high sec, then bombs should be allowed, as they are as indiscriminate and provide at least 10 seconds of warning for ships to get out of the way.

This isn't about who's fun is more important, incursion or gankers. Its recognizing player trends and possible usage cases and ensuring that there is a level playing field for PvP.

You want to kill an incursion fleet, put some effort into it and not 5 seconds to glory. Risk = reward. And 5 seconds is not nearly long enough for the billions from a dead incursion fleet.

Yes, in the same column as webifiers, logi, painters, points, and bubbles. Oh wait..... then that would be a no. Killmail have always only shown those that did damage to the ship, not the support around those damage dealing ships.

This works, can't wait to see what's possible with it.

any thought towards giving them the most powerful single link possible?

something like a 5% per lvl instead of 2%, since they are limited to 1

would mean you could run one link instead of the standard 4/5 in a wc/fc spot and focus on significantly buffing one specific area of your fleet

I don't care about incursions, I don't run them.

The bigger point is that ONE ship can, without much warning or notice, wreck an entire incursion fleet. Currently, you need to provide a level of trust (joining a fleet for fleet warps), do something to become a legal target (suspect/killright), or be specifically targeted to lose your ship.

If this class of ship is allowed to use its MJD in high sec, then bombs should be allowed, as they are as indiscriminate and provide at least 10 seconds of warning for ships to get out of the way.

This isn't about who's fun is more important, incursion or gankers. Its recognizing player trends and possible usage cases and ensuring that there is a level playing field for PvP.

You want to kill an incursion fleet, put some effort into it and not 5 seconds to glory. Risk = reward. And 5 seconds is not nearly long enough for the billions from a dead incursion fleet.

This is going to further kill battleship doctrines since they will most likely not be able to hit the Destoyers until the spool up time have finished and by then the battleships will be MJD'ed away from the logi and picked off one by one.

It goes hand-in-hand with kiting doctrines that CCP has worked towards, essentially meaning everything slow will die.

This is going to lead to a lot of frustration from people who will not be able to do anything to counter it and by now we know frustrated players don't speak up, they quit the game.

Yes, scram will shut off an active MJFG and will also keep any targets in range of one that fires from taking the jump.

I was hoping this would be the case. Goodbye logi anchors, otherwise it's a simple matter of scram 1 while you jump the others out of rep range

For those of you worried about a counter - take in mind, for an enemy command destroyer to MJD your group away, it needs to be within 6km of the target. Which means it can easily be countered with a scram in your fleet.

OH and a question about the new MJD...........scram turns it off.........but assuming it's not scrammed, will it pull scrammed ships with it?

Question: What happens if I am accelerating to warp speed when I am hit by a MJFG? Will I continue accelerating, and warp as normal? What if the micro jump causes my ship to be no longer aligned to my warp target (because I was warping just 300 km, so the jump changed the angle)?



You can always scram your own fleet, continuously, as a counter.

You cannot jump caps. Sorry I missed that in the OP, it's added now.

You dont want to lose your incursion fleet in 5 seconds of glory? Put some effort into it and defend it. Risk = reward. A few ships to counter this is no where near the cost of the billions to replace a dead incursion fleet

Exactly, CCP could even throw a softball at them and make an in-system message appear when someone uses the new module in HighSec. Something like "CONCORD Warning: Micro Jump Generator Activation Detected". This way the guys guarding the incursion fleet would have some precious forewarning before the command destroyers arrive.

Do you get jumped when moored (when mooring becomes a thing)?

Do you get jumped when HIC pointed?

Do you get jumped when standard pointed?

Do you get jumped when bubbled?

Do you get jumped when moored (when mooring becomes a thing)?

You said capitals are immune. Are freighters and jump freighters also immune? What about Orcas? (Their status as capitals/not capitals is unclear.)

I'm a little bit uneasy about allowing this mod in low-sec for reasons I can't quite justify. Maybe it's just because it's only the second area-of-effect attack allowable in low-sec, after smart bombs. Did you consider making it null-sec only during the "let's see what players do with this" phase?

just make a ship with this mod equipped be suspect all the time in high sec.