Question for CCP or someone with access to SISI.

Command Destroyer skill - what rank is it?

Question to CCP

Command Ships - will it be renamed to Command Cruisers?

thx

I'm on sisi now. Command destroyer skill is rank 6. Cost 20M.

lvl 1 00d 00h 35m
lvl 2 00d 02h 46m
lvl 3 00d 15h 40m
lvl 4 03d 16h 42m
lvl 5 20d 21h 46m

I have remapped to train spaceship command/weapon skills fast and have +5 implants in.

The skill for the MJFG is the same for all the micro jump drives, so nothing new there.

if they are going to rename Command ships it should be Command battlecruisers

What about an ore T2 destroyer that gives mining boosts to the roaming gangs of gas miners :)

These do look good, be nice if they had a speed bonus while cloaked so they can sneak up on things like logi\EWAR support instead of the MWD bonus.

Hmm.. nobody is stopping you from fitting mining foremen links on them.

The problem is, none of the new destroyers have specific bonuses to mining links, so they would be just as effective on a Strategic Cruiser, BC, Command Ship, Carrier, or Titan. The only ships that give bonuses to the mining links are the orca and rorqual. ... I think. It's been forever since I've fit mining links.

None of those other ships can get inside a shattered WH to give out bonuses...

The problem that I'm seeing is that anchoring in a fleet doctrine which isn't specifically a fast moving/kiting doctrine is pretty much dead now as this new AOE MJD has the ability to remove your ships from logistical rep range and with the addition of RR falloff you have a much tighter bubble to where you can turtle with a doctrine meaning its easier than ever for a single person to MJD all your dudes off and force them to warp off and back to the fight. Rewarping to the fight is a moot point if its your logistics who get blinked as everything will be dead by the time they return.

The point I'm getting at is there needs to be a counter to this which is not just killing the ship attempting to do this as the simple counter to that is to fling 5-6 of these at a hostile fleet and watch them scatter while not being able to do anything about it.

Please do not release this without there being a competent counter because this will honestly kill all fleet combat which isn't cerbs and ishtars.

Hmm.. nobody is stopping you from fitting mining foremen links on them.

bonus will be less as it does not give specialized bonus, if PVP ships can get bonuses from destroyer i think it is only fair to give miners something equally good.

The problem that I'm seeing is that anchoring in a fleet doctrine which isn't specifically a fast moving/kiting doctrine is pretty much dead now as this new AOE MJD has the ability to remove your ships from logistical rep range and with the addition of RR falloff you have a much tighter bubble to where you can turtle with a doctrine meaning its easier than ever for a single person to MJD all your dudes off and force them to warp off and back to the fight. Rewarping to the fight is a moot point if its your logistics who get blinked as everything will be dead by the time they return.

The point I'm getting at is there needs to be a counter to this which is not just killing the ship attempting to do this as the simple counter to that is to fling 5-6 of these at a hostile fleet and watch them scatter while not being able to do anything about it.

Please do not release this without there being a competent counter because this will honestly kill all fleet combat which isn't cerbs and ishtars.

the counter would be another command destroyer right next to your anchor that can immediately jump your fleet right back to where it was or have a command destroyer with your logi so that it can bring them within range.

+1 for these boats. A lot more choices we currently ignore become interesting and addresses some current concerns.

Counter is simple as already posted. Scram it before it jumps, they are then irrelevant. Soon, this will be doable with a HIC bubble so locktime is irrelevant.

If I don't want to get blinked the scanres on my boat becomes a concern. If I'm flying something too large for me to fix my scanres for lock/scram < 6s then I must bring support for my fleet, inducing more variety in comps.

I can move heavier boats through massively overbubbled gates without giving up # of pilots x 1 midslot for MJDs or being 'slippery'. I can also remove interdiction probes from my trapped vessels, or pick up hostile ones and drop them back on their own fleet.

I can move my fleets around the soon to be gigantic grids without burning around like a peon.

Positioning when you're already 'set up' in shiptypes we are all familiar with becomes less of an I Win button. Hopefully reducing 'you jump into us', 'no we jumped into you last time, YOU jump into US' bullshittery.

Counterplay for bombs < not that I care personally but big complaint in 0.0 yes?

Far too many positives for us to ouinouin here I think.

The lack of variety in the hulls is a disappointment however. Tut tut. I hope we can expect that to change as time goes by.

If this kind of tactic becomes really common it is always an option to either defend your logi/fleet with long range scrams to use on the incoming Command Dessies or, if you don't have another option, simply scram your own fleet.

Hmm.. nobody is stopping you from fitting mining foremen links on them.

CCP -remove the command processor that allows 5 links and make bonuses on apply if ship is on same grid -make them have some skin in the fight. Also hope to see command/T3/commdessies required as wing and squad commanders instead of 1 command ship boosting 200+ people.

remove ceptor bubble immunity

+1 for these boats. A lot more choices we currently ignore become interesting and addresses some current concerns.

Counter is simple as already posted. Scram it before it jumps, they are then irrelevant. Soon, this will be doable with a HIC bubble so locktime is irrelevant.

Can Tactical Destroyer warp out a ship in tethering state when Citadel expansion comes to live?

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