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CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:46:00 - [1] ASCN has been officially disbanded, forums and website decommissioned. It was founded on 5 May 2004 by Celestial Horizon Corp and Dirty Deeds Corp. Some parting words from me. The Base Pay out on the Titan was 22B. The ISK was split between IXC, CLS, & 5618, indirectly. It was used to purchases POSÆs, Fuels and Modules to continue the war effort. The death of the Titan is not what made me decide to leave EvE. I had made that decision the Sunday before. The last 2 years of my Air Force duty were VERY taxing. I was working close to 100 hours a week. In the last 8 months I think I might have had 3 days off. Everyone in ASCN could see what was happening to me. I simply did not have the time to deal with everything in EvE that I needed to properly. To mitigate that I gave more operational control to individual Corps and CEOÆs. ASCN lost its central command structure at that point. I had hoped that I would be able to come back and get everything back on track when my RL calmed down, but that never happened. I had been trying for almost 6 months to get other players to step up to the leadership plate and take control in both ASCN and CLS to no avail. There is a HUGE shortage of players in EvE that have the time to effectively run large organizations like ASCN vs their real lives. The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. A great many individuals but a lot of work into Steve including myself, but a Titan is just a ship and can be replaced, bottom line. The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day?
CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:46:00 - [2] The failure of ASCN? ASCN was a massive SUCCESS for EvE. We were the first Alliance to build an outpost, we built 16 of them in total. We built the first Refinery, Factory and Research. We were the first alliance to try and corporate with our smaller neighbors instead of just crush them. We took an area of 0.0 space and built the first truly active market in 0.0. Their was not a single item in EvE that you could not find in abundance on the Feyth Regional Market. We had price controls so that all our prices were affordable to everyone in the Alliance and to our friends. We allowed non ASCN members to dock at our stations and use our facilities and markets. Minerals in Feyth were cheaper then Empire and most ships were 20% cheaper then in Empire. We did not charge our member Corps rent, we did not have docking fees, we did not have membership or joining fees, we shared our Complexes as best we could and allowed our member Corps to profit from Tax at the refineries they built. ASCN put a lot of work into creating a place in 0.0 where players would not just come to mine, they LIVED in the region. ASCN was around for almost 2 years and in that time most ASCN members never went back to empire to restock on ships, ammo, minerals, drones ect.. They could get it all in Feyth. That was the key. Everyone complains about why more players donÆt live in 0.0, its because its to much work. The key was to build a market in 0.0 so that players would not have to return to Empire when they got their ships destroyed, ran out of ammo or needed a skill. It worked. ASCN had almost 5,000 members (about 2200 mains) and they all thrived in 0.0 space. The truly sad thing is not the destruction of the Titan, the capture of our stations, or the Fall of ASCN. The sad thing is that now that BoB is in Control of our former Space, itÆs a ghost town once again. The markets are bare, no one flying around space, no activity. Its like the rest of 0.0 space. ûComplexes run by crews of Alts, a few marco miners and rat hunters and nothing else. Oh yeah, and about 3000 more players in Jita instead of 0.0. It should also be pointed out that ASCN did not suck at PvP. We were not as good at it as BoB is, but look at our record. In its history: -ASCN conquered Omist in less them 6 hours during the SE/SA conflict. Then we did it again during the MWA/SA conflict before handing the region to LV. -We defeated SE & SA in Esoteria. -We defeated about 50 pirate Corps in Catch & Providence. -We defeated Tribal Souls in 3 days despite the fact that Tribe said they could beat BoB 2 days before ASCN got involved. -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, culminating with the attack on the TRUST industrial complex in EC-P8R. 600 ASCN ships camped that system for 9 days while 40 BoB dreads destroyed the ship yards. ASCN undisputedly held that system for 9 days, NO ONE could do a thing about it. -We CRUSHED MASS & RA in UB5-Z -We survived 3 contracts from the MC and countless others from other merc corps. The simple fact is that ASCN beat the crap out of so many other organizations in EvE that ATTACKED ASCN, that when BoB attacked ASCN all the short sighted left-overs simply cheered. They only wanted to see BoB succeed where they had failed!! So ask yourselves this. The Above is a matter of record, if ASCN defeated all those organizations and BoB is the ONLY organization to ever defeat ASCNà What does that say about what BoB is going to do to the rest of you?
CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:47:00 - [3] Why did ASCN get defeated? The bottom line is very simple, BoB had more fighters that understood how to fight in the worst game mechanics I have seen since EvE was in Beta!! The fact still remains that ASCN killed more BoB then ANY one in EvE ever has and I am sure its going to remain that way for a LONG time. We fought the best we could under the circumstances for 3 months. NO other organization in EvE that BoB has attacked has lasted even 3 weeks. ASCN fought until the reason for fighting disappeared. Why did ASCN give up the fight? Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple. As for me, I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. If the players in BoB want to define their existence by how ôgreatö they are in EvE, that is their decision. But it does not make them better people them myself or those that built ASCN, that decision is made in RL, not in a game. As for those that call me a fool for not cashing out with as much as I could, youÆre the reason that so many great Online titles have failed. You donÆt care about the game or the community or the players, your only looking to gratify yourself interest. I am not like that. I have always believed that the community and the individual players are the most important part of any game. The games with the most interaction between players belonging to a community are the most successful. The games where the community is hostile to everyone eventually fail or are forgotten. The day the Community of EvE realizes that every player in the game deserves to be respected regardless of how good or bad they are is the day EvE will dominate the OLG market. When a 3 month old player ventures into low sec or 0.0 for the first time after getting bored with missions and empire, is then greeted with comments like: ôNooB!ö ôMoron!ö ôThis is MY space pew pew!ö hahahhahaha! Go back to Jita Ect all they do is cancel their account. There is nothing wrong with being respect to others. You can still kill them, but after doing so let them know what they did wrong and give them advice on how to move ahead in the game. Keep the in the game, because eventually all you jerks out there are going to chase everyone else out of the game and work will get around that the Eve player base sucks. Then we wont have any new players coming in. Fact is that griefers donÆt like to play games with other griefers because its to much of a challenge, then the game dies. As for me personally. I love EvE, I still think itÆs the greatest game currently available by a wide margin. I truly hope that its success grows and that CCP is able to get a handle on all the issues. Also last January 5th ASCN purchased me a nightmare for my birthday. It was the first faction ship I ever owned in EvE. That ship is located in VNGJ-U and one day I WILL be flying it freely through Feyth again. -CYVOK-
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:51:00 - [4] Edited by: God''s Army on 31/01/2007 04:47:55 gl cyvok ---- Long life the warrios of God R0ADKILL ALLIANCE Killboard
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:51:00 - [5] Hurts doesn't it You Will Cry My Name
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:52:00 - [6] Quite the write up. Sig removed. Please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) Listen to BoB Radio!! WELCOME BACK MGRL
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:52:00 - [7] Nicely Put. NEWEST MOVIE : VETO FOR HIRE
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it Hardly necessary. /Ben How to fix Eve
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:55:00 - [9] Sucks it had to it end like that for you guys. GG Click above for my killboard stats.
Elisca Black Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:56:00 - [10] Originally by: CYVOK As for me personally. I love EvE, I still think itÆs the greatest game currently available by a wide margin. I truly hope that its success grows and that CCP is able to get a handle on all the issues. Also last January 5th ASCN purchased me a nightmare for my birthday. It was the first faction ship I ever owned in EvE. That ship is located in VNGJ-U and one day I WILL be flying it freely through Feyth again. -CYVOK- I believe Dian has the going fee schedule for individuals....

ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:57:00 - [11] Originally by: CYVOK That ship is located in VNGJ-U and one day I WILL be flying it freely through Feyth again. -CYVOK- You could've just put it up for sale with the xetic mins fishy... [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:57:00 - [12] reserved for a post in a moment -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Xanenal Wolfenrecon	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:58:00 - [13] Quote: The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? Well...That is certainly news. Which corporations built them? And where are those corporations now?
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it Hardly necessary. /Ben Indeed it was. You Will Cry My Name
Menth Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:59:00 - [15] Can i have ASCN's stuff oh wait we do \o/
00tricky Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:02:00 - [16] you still just don't get it.
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it Hardly necessary. Indeed it was. disbelief /Ben How to fix Eve
Chronus26 Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:03:00 - [18] Goodbye ASCN. The alliance may be gone, but the hard work and determination of thousands of people will remain forever in Feythabolis, and more importantly in the memories of those who saw it rise and fall. Goodluck. -----
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:04:00 - [19] Nira, you're as cold as ice Nice write up from your point of view. - WeComeInPeace Video
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:04:00 - [20] --- Reserved for a message on the first page --- ----------

Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:04:00 - [21] Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? So what's the answer? _ Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Kam SingDu'k Singularity.	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:04:00 - [22] Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? 2 more titans Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames)
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Kyguard Nira, you're as cold as ice Nice write up from your point of view. I have no symapthy for someone who have failed 2 times in a row. You Will Cry My Name
Drakma Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Kyguard Nira, you're as cold as ice Nice write up from your point of view. I have no symapthy for someone who have failed 2 times in a row. Sorry, whenever I see your name, the Sarah Lee song goes through my head... ----------------- Gekidoku is recruiting
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:09:00 - [25] Quote: The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? Are you trying to foreshadow or hinting that someone stole them? Didn't the "alamo" ASCN corps give up a titan to get their stuff out safely? Just wanted this confirmed since a corpmate of mine was mentioning it and refused to provide links - WeComeInPeace Video
Rak'Kabal Kain Minmatar Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:09:00 - [26] -- Holder --
Gralatus Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:09:00 - [27] ASCN will forever be a part of the Eve landscape. The good, the bad and the ugly. I'd hope Bob could just let it go and not feel the need to rehash, but I somehow doubt it. BoB won, ASCN lost. Everything eventually comes to an end. RIP
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:10:00 - [28] o7 --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Nevenda'ar	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:10:00 - [30] Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? Looks to me like someone decided to give themselves a nice Cristmas present



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