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Raneru eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:40:00 - [181] good write up CYVOK. ASCN was a great alliance to be in during its peak. I especially liked the section on ascn's markets and community. I personally found empire a strange alien place to go to after spending months in alliance space without the need to visit empire. Don't worry, the spirit of ASCN lives on in its most dedicated corps. Are you famous? Check Here!
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:45:00 - [182] After reading through 9 pages which have lots of drivel and BOB hating and fanboisim I will add my 2 cents coz this really has gone too far. In any sport or game that is played a display of taunting or victory is always present since the whole event is usually based on win or lose and maybe a tie but in our case tie is very rare. For example first person shooter games include a taunt graphic presentation like a flip off or a dance or what ever the game developers decide, in sports you have victory parades or the usual ôIn your face danceö. All of this is allowed and is accepted by both playing entities coz who ever wins has every right to display it. I read what Cyvok posted and there is not a mention of his mistakes or ASCN mistakes, its always BOB this and BOB that and had it have been any other entity he would have said the same thing since this is not the first time he fails his alliance by deploying the same strategy that is just NOT GONNA WORK in 0.0. An interesting fact about this EX alliance leader is that he claims we are honor less to kill his ship while he was logged off with agro which is allowed by game mechanics to punish cowards!! I am willing to bet that there is not a single entity, corp or alliance in EVE who gets the same chance as we did to have an alliance leader logging off with agro with 150 billion of isk worth of alliance resources and not to mention the huge morale boost and killer to their side and the other side would have DONE EXACTLY the same thing! In EVE you can either taunt your opponent in local or on forums and as long as it kept in game there is no problems with it but when some sore losers take it to the extent to insult others with RL insults and I mean RL insults coz calling a person a noob isnÆt coz the term doesnÆt exist in RL commentary. We as an alliance have proved it several times that we play to PVP and we are dedicated to our game play and we JUST LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS so neither Cyvok or any other entity has any right what so ever to tell us how to play just so that we can please them! If Cyvok wanted to make a farewell post and his intent was a good one he wouldnÆt have posted all this crap about us and at least he would have admitted his OWN fault according to several of his own alliance members who are now either in BOB or in other alliances. This just shows what this post is really all about which is flame bait and trolling coz of a sore person who couldnÆt accept defeat in a sportsmanship fashion or team spirit in other words a loser! He has insulted people in both RL and in game and also insulted the DEVS and GMS due to the accusation of us cheating and since CCP allows us to cheat and hax then GMs and DEVS have no integrity what so ever coz they allow us to get away with it and that we are some what above the EULA which is total slander. TBH if this happens in any RL sport or news paper a person like Cyvok would have been lynched by the public until he never posts again. As a summary of why we won, our leadership is better than yours and they never abandoned us. Our members are good players and they know what they doing we had a good game plan and we used it and we won so take your insults and bitterness else where. "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Skyren Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:45:00 - [183] I respect BoB as a very powerful alliance but that doesn't mean i'll never go to war with them if thats whats asked of me. I respected what ASCN does and if you post something like this on the forums expect to be flamed. Congratulations for BoB for taking down the titan. Yes it would have been better to have a giant, node ending battle over it but it wasn't so we just have to hope the next one is.
Pyrotesea Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:46:00 - [184] Originally by: CYVOK The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. and is there anyone in eve that would not try and blow up a titan that was sitting in space with aggro timer? if the answer is no, then your lieing to yourself and that is just sad. --------------------------------- What doesn't kill you makes you injured.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:50:00 - [185] Somehow, this thread makes me sad. On another hand, it also illustrates perfectly well one of the reaosns why I still play this game and have this weird love/hate relationship with it. Eve invokes emotions wih a greater impact then other MMO's. This has to do with your freedom to dream and build your dreams as well as with the possibility to lose it all in no time at all. So yes Cyvok, respect for dreaming, and giving leadership to the group of people that chose to build your common dream. Just like SirMolle, Blacklight and the others within BoB are leading us in creating our common vision. However, any respect earnt there was lost the moment you started losing it all and couldn't handle it. You took it all personally, fired the excuse-o-thron up to bursting pressure and ended up whining, screaming and begrudging everyone his toys like a small child. So, wanna try again ? You'd be welcome to, because other then what seems to be a good part fo the vocal altbase in these forums we might be taking this game seriously enough to want to excell at it, but we at least understand that it's a game. If ever there was sportmanship in Eve that I saw, then it has been in BoB. That might sound strange, but while playing this game in the way we choose to we also adhere closely to standards we choose for ourselves. And throwing toys out of the pram whining about CCP employees, cheatings and h4xors is not in my book of good sportsmanship Cyvok. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:50:00 - [186] Buhu CRYVOK, haven't you quit yet? much kudos to the ASCN members that fought everyday, hook and nail; they bought more to ASCN than you ever did. For you, no kudos. You whinged, smeared, cried foul, hax, cheats, sploits, lag. Good riddence. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:51:00 - [187] Is this the First SelfNecro ever?
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:54:00 - [188] Originally by: CYVOK So ask yourselves this. The Above is a matter of record, if ASCN defeated all those organizations and BoB is the ONLY organization to ever defeat ASCN… What does that say about what BoB is going to do to the rest of you? Oh noes, we are DOOMED! /me is deleting all his account and characters, BYE WORLD! - BH
Everbane Underworld Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:56:00 - [189] In nearly every online game you will come across another BoB, theyÆre nothing special just a group of motor-mouth sheep that gang together and smash the place up in easy mode. They wallow in theyÆre own self-righteous ôskillsö and bad mouth everyone else. Eventually their egos implode or the game dies and their ôfameö is long forgotten. Love them or hate them the leaders of Xetic / ASCN and some others were inspired to create something quite different in an online game with the available tools. For that they will always be remembered. With hind sight this model is doomed to failure. The masses just want to trash everything you worked for whilst playing Quake in space with bills and kill boards in wimp mode.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:01:00 - [190] Originally by: Fedaykinn Tbh BoB sure you won the war but ASCN succeeded in something BoB never has or will. A thriving peacefull 0.0 sector of space. BoB never will succeed in this because all they care about is conquering and flaming. They conquer space and do nothing with that space once it is conquered. They just let it rot Been in Period Basis or Delve recently ? Pretty damn peacefull and thriving there tbh. You seem to lack knowledge about thsi subject tbh, go ask someone that knows a bit. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist

sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:02:00 - [191] not that i'm BoB's biggest fan, as their currently hanging around my home like a bad smell, but i still think you cant complain about the fact that their members are active or use this to take a dig at their RL. theres no way of us knowing what the majority of eve players are like in RL, because this is just a game, and therefore can't be used to form an acurate impression of that person in RL...maybe Gandhi's reincarnation is in BoB ------------
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:04:00 - [192] ASCN achieved and accomplished greatness. Whatever came after, that's an achievement I don't think any would deny. In no small part that's due to Cyvok's efforts, but ... well keeping together an alliance that size really is a hell of a job. Well done guys, and all the best. I'm sure whatever you turn to, be it in EVE or otherwise, will prosper.
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:12:00 - [193] Originally by: Ephemeron I respect BoB as pvpers, I know they are one of the best pvp oriented alliances. But damn, they got so many self righteous *****s, stroking their egoes, makes me want to puke I will always fight on opposite side of BoB, for a chance to wipe those smirks off their faces Amen.
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:15:00 - [194] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Fedaykinn Tbh BoB sure you won the war but ASCN succeeded in something BoB never has or will. A thriving peacefull 0.0 sector of space. BoB never will succeed in this because all they care about is conquering and flaming. They conquer space and do nothing with that space once it is conquered. They just let it rot Been in Period Basis or Delve recently ? Pretty damn peacefull and thriving there tbh. You seem to lack knowledge about thsi subject tbh, go ask someone that knows a bit. I think hes prolly camped in, somewhere in fountain by BoB forces now we are back home (sorta).... Let him simmer a bit :P -
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:30:00 - [195] Since i was in ASCN for a very long time here's my take on why it failed: The alliance never had any real wars. The good FC's wandered over to BOB or somewhere else a long time before this conflict started. Slowly but steady ASCN got more and more unattractive to the PVPer and soaked up more and more carebears that didn't care about the alliance. These guys showed up in tech 1 frigates to fights so they couldn't loose much. The Tribal souls takeover was impressive to some but it was just running over a few poor sobs with a huge blob. You don't need skill to do that especially when the few you attack aren't the greatest PVP pilots seither (with exceptions of course). This whole thing went on and on for ages wich lead to a situation where flying under Crohnx was the only way to get a decent fight. Sure there was other FC's but they just suicided fleets in to BOB for a giggle. Being a FC in ASCN must've been horrible though so blaming them is not the right thing to do. Peeps simply did not listen. Bad TS discipline, people going afk in space during ops - the list is long. If an FC gives an order to allign to a gate and only a couple ships actually follow that order that gang is doomed. My decicion to leave came after 4 days in a row of constant sitting at a POS. Since throwing BS into the enemy didn't work the new orders were to sit there and wait it out at the POS. In the meantime HC gave out more and more orders that made no sense. Whole corps were sent to delve. Sounds good you may think. Delve was devastated because every bob member was in ASCN space. Sending your force to Delve to avoid BOB - not the best tactical decicion. The fact that the only FC i ever saw crush BOB fleets effectively within ASCN is in BOB now shows why BOB is so strong. They constantly fight more or less worthy enemies and assimilate the best if they are willing. The guys are happy since there is allways something to do/shoot. My conlcusion is that ASCN made a lot things wrong but it was an extremely well organized Alliance earlier on when CYVOk was about more often and he deserves our respect for that. Too many greedy carebears inside the alliance had a strong part in it's downfall. Prometheus should be named for being extremely dedicated and generous. He did his best to make the PVPers happy and the amount of time invested must've been insane. To all those aliances out there that did sit there and watch how ASCN gets obliterated while saying "we can take BOB on alone". I've fought many of you and so far i haven't met an entity where i could say it has even a slight chance. Time for a reality check guys. Good luck in eve CYVOK. Congrats to BOB for winning. A shame you need to smack so much. IMO your actions speak for themselves. No need to let everyone know in every 2nd post.
Saleia AFK Mining	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:35:00 - [196] I still smell a sore loser. If ASCN had worked together as a whole. They may have been able to last a little bit longer. And still sobbing about losing your Titan to game mechanics still makes me laugh. These mechanics are put into place on purpose. Drrr... btw CYVOK, ANY great leader will be on the front lines. not hiding behind alts within your own alliance.
Twoside Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:51:00 - [197] Blackrain, stop making sensible posts, you're wrecking your image! Seriously, Cyvok, imho just take the credits you've earned and been given by those you should care about and let ASCN die with dignity. Better to remember the good things out of it, then be bitter by the flames of it's demise.
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:08:00 - [198] Even in a disbanding/goodbye post you cannot stop the stream of bull**** that comes from your mouth? Im ashamed to say I was once a part of an alliance with you in charge CYVOK. Good riddance. ----- [RKK] Foxor : targets are lewt, just not yet in can form
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:09:00 - [199] To the OP. Sure ASCN did some great things but it was fundamentally flawed on several levels. It's right for you to mention the positive things in a final outgoing post and it's right that both those achievements and your part in them be recognised. You did some great things in building infrastructure in 0.0 on a scale that was groundbreaking at the time. However, not admitting that there were fundamental errors made by yourself and your appointed deputies at the same time devalues the whole purpose of your post. Hell, all you had to say was "in retrospect we did x, y and z wrong, BoB used those weaknesses against us, good game to them for doing so, next time I'll do things a little differently". There's enough ASCN both in this thread and in others that have freely admitted what went wrong, why and who had the greater part in being the cause of those mistakes. There's no need to go into detail about them but command structure, individuals put into positions beyond their abilities, recruitment standards, lack of PvP focus, inability to retain quality players all spring to mind and yet are not acknowledged. Why not, rather than just accuse your opponents of a miriad of personal and frankly untrue faults, acknowledge some of your own? I know it's difficult to accept you made mistakes and so you fall back on the same old nonsense that was spouted all throughout the war with us. To be honest it's all way too personal from the inclusion of what was going on in RL for you at the time (which any of us with any sense of perspective or empathy would sympathise with you about but has no place here) to the following paragraph which beyond all others indicates that you've a long way to go in coming to terms with what happened and take it all way too seriously.. Quote: As for me, I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. If the players in BoB want to define their existence by how ôgreatö they are in EvE, that is their decision. But it does not make them better people them myself or those that built ASCN, that decision is made in RL, not in a game. As for the peanut gallery throwing stones at BoB and being self righteously indignant because a lot of the BoB guys are flaming the OP, why are you really surprised and are you all such saints that you can turn the other cheek? Read the post again and to put it into the context of all the accusations made against BoB during the war everything from the sad state of our RL lifestyles to accusations of cheating and worse. There is no wonder some of the guys feel aggrieved enough to flame and not just turn the other cheek. Returning to the OP, it's a great shame that the you missed an opportunity to give a final word and regain some dignity by showing you'd recovered some perspective. I sincerely hope that you learn to enjoy Eve again and some day get your head around what really happened and why, rather than spending the rest of your gaming career feeling bitter about it. I sincerely hope that I get to bump into you at another fanfest so I can buy you a beer and have a chat, I think it would be enlightening to both of us and I know I'd be very happy to do it. In all seriousness good luck, best wishes and bury the hatchet for goodness sake. Blog
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:13:00 - [200] Xetic died Cyvok....you never learned from History, and ASCN died. I hope you lerned the lessons this time, if you ever wanna create something again. You lost fair and square. I once had a sig...it deleted

Galimiy Portret R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:24:00 - [201] No matter what Cyvok's failures or mistakes were, I completely detest how BoB is acting, it's simply unbearable to see their hypocrisy. I also detest the witch hunt which was mounted at Cyvok, it's just simply disgusting. BoB might put a lot of work into EVE, but you are also dirty players by a wide margin. ...now in RED
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:36:00 - [202] Dude, if u want to make peace, make it with you and with your friends/corpmates/allies and not with your enemies by inciting them to further aggression. U'll never get understanding from them. It seems u did some great things once, but now u just lost. Get passed it.
GBoS Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:38:00 - [203] really nice post, but the sourness towards BoB ruined it.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:49:00 - [204] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Shamis Orzoz You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis In order to avoid flames, you have to stop posting crap. ??? If you can't see how sad, bitter and insulting cyvok's post is you probably have the same things wrong with you as cyvok himself. I thought he was saying "you" as in "me" not CYVOK. And to be honest, I never read CYVOK's post. I skimmed it. It looks like the usual stuff. I'm sure some of it is false, and he clearly seems to be deceiving himself here and there, but I can understand the state of mind he's probably in. That's why I said, its time to just let it go, he did accomplish a lot, and there really is no reason to try to justify their downfall now, especially with the agony of defeat clouding his perception. Shamis
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:50:00 - [205] Even after reality has sunk in, you're still delusional. You had a good run and accomplished a great deal, but boasting about things that just didn't happen only detracts from your true achievements. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:52:00 - [206] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Shamis Orzoz You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis In order to avoid flames, you have to stop posting crap. ??? If you can't see how sad, bitter and insulting cyvok's post is you probably have the same things wrong with you as cyvok himself. I thought he was saying "you" as in "me" not CYVOK. And to be honest, I never read CYVOK's post. I skimmed it. It looks like the usual stuff. I'm sure some of it is false, and he clearly seems to be deceiving himself here and there, but I can understand the state of mind he's probably in. That's why I said, its time to just let it go, he did accomplish a lot, and there really is no reason to try to justify their downfall now, especially with the agony of defeat clouding his perception. Shamis You're right. :)
MECHcore Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:57:00 - [207] BoB loves gankage indeed instead of a fight with even numbers , back in fountain they used a titan and 2 motherships vs our small corp , that shows how much balls they got
Gralgathor Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:00:00 - [208] Originally by: Ephemeron I respect BoB as pvpers, I know they are one of the best pvp oriented alliances. But damn, they got so many self righteous *****s, stroking their egoes, makes me want to puke I will always fight on opposite side of BoB, for a chance to wipe those smirks off their faces QFT. -------
Electric Cucumber Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:05:00 - [209] Edited by: Electric Cucumber on 31/01/2007 15:04:02 Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it pathetic... Originally by: Rod Blaine Been in Period Basis or Delve recently ? Pretty damn peacefull and thriving there tbh. dead regions
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:08:00 - [210] Originally by: MECHcore BoB loves gankage indeed instead of a fight with even numbers , back in fountain they used a titan and 2 motherships vs our small corp , that shows how much balls they got awwww drop your pacifier? Let me get you a tissue. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.



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