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Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:55:00 - [331] Originally by: Waxau Bah - Well i like mixing ingame life with Real life. Such as im sexy in game. I just dont see why Cyvok is claiming that bob are cheaters etc, when he talks of sportsmanship. Kinda conflicting comments ^^ I know what you mean, but I think its safe to assume he was feeling a bit ****ed off at the time he wrote that.
Mistress Butterfly Amarr Khanidco	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:42:00 - [332] Quote: I have always believed that the community and the individual players are the most important part of any game. The games with the most interaction between players belonging to a community are the most successful. The games where the community is hostile to everyone eventually fail or are forgotten. The community is all we have going for it. Its easy to spot people are arent community oriented. Im sure 90% of BoB are nice people but given recent events and the CCP investigation you really start to wonder whats going on. I do agree with you about respect there is way to little of it. MB We sell researched BPOs and Khanid made ships!
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:46:00 - [333] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 HMM just because u r having a few itmes for sale in a whole empire doenst make u special, probally stain has the same, If i could by a mega in azn for a good price but then have to go to r97 to get 425, up to c9n for the sensor boosters it not too much of an achivment for me. You have clearly never been to stain. When Cyvok was able to dedicate more time to the game than he was at the end you have no idea how well our space was being run so I would save your pointless smack. Frustrating as it may have been to get a gang together at times, ASCN space was a thing of beauty and by far the most populated and well run area I have ever been to by a long long stretch. ASCN had a fair few*****s like everywhere else but it also had by far and away the largest collection of "nice" guys I have ever met, just a pity that the saying "nice guys finish last" is so true in eve which is a very unforgiving environment. How do u know where ive been? Ive bought things in stain at is just as good/bad as any other npc region out there, AFAIK there is not much u cant buy in stain. Mostly u simply miss a CPR or a SB, so just because in ascn space where items on the market doenst make it an empire, and id guess in most of the alliances u have ppl that havent been in empire for a long while. Belive or not, that mostly why ascn went down, because of the lack of checking what others do and respecting their achivments. BoB have showed u how things worked these days, and when BoB had their Phase 4 (Standing reset) ASCN should have been aware of the fact that u be 1st or 2nd target of this. But some of u still lived in the dream that bob is the Knight in the golden armor which will kill the north and let u mine in peace. And about the ppl, i havent met one single alliance which doesnt have nice or cool ppl in it, just because being in an alliance makes u uncool or whatnot. And with ASCN being away from the hunting grounds well see how other alliances will do against bob.
Cmdr Sp0ck Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:49:00 - [334] Originally by: Cyvok It was founded on 5 May 2004 by Celestial Horizon Corp and Dirty Deeds Corp. Wrong. It was founded in May 2005. In May 2004 both you and me were in Xetic Federation and the CA war started towards the end of that same month ASCN failed because they met their match. Plain and simple. It happens to everyone at some point.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:06:00 - [335] well, this is probably coming 10 pages too far, but let's be honest and face it, do you really expect Bob pilots to say "farewell and good luck" to somebody who leaves parting words such as : Originally by: CYVOK They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN give up the fight? Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple. Originally by: Cyvok Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. If you take a look at an old post were gungankiller posted the defeat of ASCN, you might have noticed a lot more respect from us bobbits. As somebody mentionned, before a boxing match, both fighters taunt each other, try to provoke the other, get him mad etc ... when the fight is finished, they take off the gloves and congratulate each other. that's what happened in gungan's post, the fight was mostly over, aside from the last stand, and respect was given where it was due. Now Cyvok comes with a parting gift, spiced with disrespect and flamebait. For us the war was over, aside from a few loud mouthed whorum fores here and there, but then if cyvok comes back now to tell us about lack of honor and bring back to life the old "kiddies in mom's basement", do you expect us to cheer him and show respect? Cyvok, if you want to enjoy and afterfight drink at a pub with us, take of the boxing gloves, eitherwise you won't be able to hold a pint. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
esquimo leviticus Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:58:00 - [336] Farewell ASCN at least legacy of outposts for folks to use, even if the name changes the fact that they were installed by you guys remains, congrats on all you achieved, it's a sad day for eve, but eve-life goes on regardless.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:07:00 - [337] Edited by: RedClaws on 01/02/2007 15:04:16 So I was right : You deliberatly held back on ASCN assets to lose the war and cash in on it yourself. Not to mention the 5 outpost eggs. What other reason is there to "hide" 2 titans in the middle of the battle for survival? Bad and Corrupted Leadership. BTW : Cyvok did you even manage to read my post in the ascn forums that was directed at your "you guys suck" post?
BlackSabbath Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:23:00 - [338] the difference between bob and ascn is that ascn was mostly made of people who enjoy the game, bob on the other hand is made out of people that played eve for so long they are lossing intrest in it. so people simply join the winning side bringing their experience for that 1 minute of victory before going to bed. bob is made out same fools that in counter strike *** and moan about how their team sucks and just switch over to the winning side. it takes more balls to join a losing side and see if it can be improved and thats not what bob is about, and once all those egos start rubbing off each other BOB will be forgoten and the 16 outpost in feyth will still be there until this game dies off gl cyvok ================================ "i am only here to ** you off"
balrog Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:40:00 - [339] The diffrence is that all BOB work towards commen goal and there ceo`s can kick members ass ASCN 70% only care about there own wallet and ceo`s only think of membercount quality beats quantity anyday
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:41:00 - [340] Originally by: BlackSabbath the difference between bob and ascn is that ascn was mostly made of people who enjoy the game, bob on the other hand is made out of people that played eve for so long they are lossing intrest in it. so people simply join the winning side bringing their experience for that 1 minute of victory before going to bed. bob is made out same fools that in counter strike ***** and moan about how their team sucks and just switch over to the winning side. it takes more balls to join a losing side and see if it can be improved and thats not what bob is about, and once all those egos start rubbing off each other BOB will be forgoten and the 16 outpost in feyth will still be there until this game dies off gl cyvok Difference between ACSN and BoB, is that ACSN actually believed garbage like this. --------------- PvP in EvE is not consentual.

Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:51:00 - [341] Originally by: BlackSabbath the difference between bob and ascn is that ascn was mostly made of people who enjoy the game, bob on the other hand is made out of people that played eve for so long they are lossing intrest in it. so people simply join the winning side bringing their experience for that 1 minute of victory before going to bed. bob is made out same fools that in counter strike ***** and moan about how their team sucks and just switch over to the winning side. it takes more balls to join a losing side and see if it can be improved and thats not what bob is about, and once all those egos start rubbing off each other BOB will be forgoten and the 16 outpost in feyth will still be there until this game dies off gl cyvok You can't seriously believe this.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:51:00 - [342] Respect for what you built. GL in RL.
Belmarduk	Posted - 2007.02.01 16:31:00 - [343] GL Cyvok
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.01 16:41:00 - [344] Originally by: RedClaws Edited by: RedClaws on 01/02/2007 15:04:16 So I was right : You deliberatly held back on ASCN assets to lose the war and cash in on it yourself. Not to mention the 5 outpost eggs. What other reason is there to "hide" 2 titans in the middle of the battle for survival? Bad and Corrupted Leadership. BTW : Cyvok did you even manage to read my post in the ascn forums that was directed at your "you guys suck" post? They were not ASCN's Outpost Eggs, They are "MY" Outpost Eggs. They are not ASCN's Titans, They are "MY" Titans. I Stole the Minerals Fair and Square. Carry on having fun. "Where is Foyle?" How can we have Stolen Alliance minerals/Items, a resurgence of CA, And allegations of Misconduct without Foyle? --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.02.01 16:50:00 - [345] Originally by: MuthaTrucka Originally by: RedClaws Edited by: RedClaws on 01/02/2007 15:04:16 So I was right : You deliberatly held back on ASCN assets to lose the war and cash in on it yourself. Not to mention the 5 outpost eggs. What other reason is there to "hide" 2 titans in the middle of the battle for survival? Bad and Corrupted Leadership. BTW : Cyvok did you even manage to read my post in the ascn forums that was directed at your "you guys suck" post? They were not ASCN's Outpost Eggs, They are "MY" Outpost Eggs. They are not ASCN's Titans, They are "MY" Titans. I Stole the Minerals Fair and Square. Carry on having fun. "Where is Foyle?" How can we have Stolen Alliance minerals/Items, a resurgence of CA, And allegations of Misconduct without Foyle? but... but... MT, you promised to share :(
endoftdd	Posted - 2007.02.01 18:14:00 - [346] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Forum Moderator ([email protected])
Kennyer Caldari Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.01 18:15:00 - [347] Was great fun being in ASCN m8 had a great time cheers :) i miss feyth :( Kennyer - ex eXceed Member ------------------------------------------------ god damn stupid alt tab!! snip - please don't use words that are masked by the profanity-filter in your signature. -Ivan K
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2007.02.01 19:10:00 - [348] CYVOK - You built an empire that will be remembered in the history of EvE, for this you should be proud. How long that memory lasts in the MMO Lore is up to the pilots that joined you, fought you and countless who jerred and cheered from the sidelines. Good luck in your new ventures. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Kunming Outcasts	Posted - 2007.02.01 19:57:00 - [349] Originally by: balrog The diffrence is that all BOB work towards commen goal and there ceo`s can kick members ass ASCN 70% only care about there own wallet and ceo`s only think of membercount quality beats quantity anyday Sounds like how 70% of EVE plays the game, thats why they keep losing while the rest 30% has fun Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
panman The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:03:00 - [350] Originally by: BlackSabbath the difference between bob and ascn is that ascn was mostly made of people who enjoy the game, bob on the other hand is made out of people that played eve for so long they are lossing intrest in it. so people simply join the winning side bringing their experience for that 1 minute of victory before going to bed. bob is made out same fools that in counter strike ***** and moan about how their team sucks and just switch over to the winning side. it takes more balls to join a losing side and see if it can be improved and thats not what bob is about, and once all those egos start rubbing off each other BOB will be forgoten and the 16 outpost in feyth will still be there until this game dies off gl cyvok I think u are out on your own here mate.. DESPITE all the crap about bob being this bob being that bob being evil haxploiters ect ect ect ect ect. You must know that this is simply not a possible theory... ASCN got Hammered by bob, and axe got whooped on by aAa. It is DONE and OVER WITH. No hax, no exploits, no lame tactics no anything.. Just poor focus by ascn and excellent work by band of brothers.. ASCN was such a joke not allowing people to post on the forums of the game they pay for was the biggest joke of all.... Freedom of speach and all that, but dont bother if your just gonna talk crap about people. -----------------------

Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:33:00 - [351] Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? I'll bite. What DID happen? Can I have one if it is Caldari or Gallente?:D
RogueWing GIT-R-DUN Southern Connection	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:34:00 - [352] Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? Well, they sure as heck weren't used to defend ASCN space..... [G-R-D].....we've buried 50 kittens up to their necks in the yard......join us or we get out the lawn mower.
Knubbins McGee Duck Farts	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:45:00 - [353] Originally by: RogueWing Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? Well, they sure as heck weren't used to defend ASCN space..... Ain't that the truth? Either its an outright lie or ASCN completely screwed up the biggest potential "OMGWTF?!" moment ever in EVE. I could just imagine the forum drama, speculation and misinformation opportunities if 2 or 3 nights after Steve was killed if ANOTHER ACSN Titan would have popped into local in a fight.. So either he's lying or just really incompetant as a leader. (I mean no disrespect to him personally, just calling into question his tactical decisions and/or need for disinformation after the war is over)
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:52:00 - [354] Edited by: Exelsior on 01/02/2007 20:50:21 Originally by: KSUDruid Edited by: KSUDruid on 31/01/2007 06:36:16 I had a nice long post I was gonna put here, but I really can't be asked to be honest dude. Take it for what it's worth. Bob didn't cheat, we didn't hack, we didn't do anything that isn't 100% within the game mechanics to beat ASCN. You know as well as I do Cyvok that we're regular dudes like ASCN were, we just play Eve better than you. It's just a game man... It's just a game... say it a few more times in case you can't get it through your head. The sun will still come up tomorrow, you'll still have a job, and your life and health. It's just a game... That should read "we play eve MORE than you" and not "better than you". BoB on average spend more time playing Eve than any other alliance out there. Does that earn my respect? Yes. However when a BoB member starts telling others who spends most of their time irl that Eve is "just a game", there's something wrong. You guys are some of the most dedicated eve players here, but saying "we're just better than you" is BS. You deserve no respect when you claim that your superiority has nothing to do with the fact that most of you play Eve as a real job and dedicate tons of time to it. So stop being so damned arrogant and tell YOURSELF that it's just a game. You guys have put POS warfare and forum whoring above all the other fun in Eve a while ago now, so you should be the LAST to talk about this being just a game. Give anyone with even a dose of intelligence the opportunity and time to play eve 8 hours a day and he will organise an amazing corp/alliance. Some people just don't have that time. In the end, you guys will end up with amazing achievements in Eve (virtual), while this guy will have honour and army service behind him irl. And everyone knows what really matters.
AvengeR ofBLooD Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:04:00 - [355] Originally by: BlackSabbath the difference between bob and ascn is that ascn was mostly made of people who enjoy the game, bob on the other hand is made out of people that played eve for so long they are lossing intrest in it. so people simply join the winning side bringing their experience for that 1 minute of victory before going to bed. bob is made out same fools that in counter strike ***** and moan about how their team sucks and just switch over to the winning side. it takes more balls to join a losing side and see if it can be improved and thats not what bob is about, and once all those egos start rubbing off each other BOB will be forgoten and the 16 outpost in feyth will still be there until this game dies off gl cyvok Comments like this show just how little people truly know about BoB. Many say BoB is Eve Easy Mode, or players join BoB to be on winning side all the time. I don't know the recruiting procedures for the other BoB Corps but it is EXTREMELY difficult to join BNC and I am sure the same can be said of BoB in general. The recruiters only accept THE BEST to join. But once one joins BoB, it is EXTREMELY eeeeasy to get kicked out since if you don't play at a continuosly high caliber, then your out. See ya! It's that simple. Why allow weak, lazy, smooching players to stay in your corp and drag you down. ASCN was full of them, and the elite players had to do all the work to cover for the other's faults. Now if someone is in a Corp like that and wants to work really hard to become BoB so they can see how it feels to be part of a well oiled war machine like us, then all the power to them. Heck, Congrats for being accepted. That goes for any Corp or Alliance that expect a high caliber of playing and dedication from their members, not just BoB. If you look at my character's Corp History, you will see I joined BoB as soon as I entered 0.0 space. I have been playing Eve for almost 2 years and 1.5 of that was in BoB. I joined because of RL friends of another game so I knew the dedication and resolve that BNC in particular had and I am excited to be a part of it. We are not losing interest in the game; our leaders make the game fun for our members which is what any Corp in Eve strives for. I didn't JOIN the winning side, I worked side by side with my Corp and Alliance mates to MAKE it the winning side. The fact that others will call this an easy mode really have NOOO idea what it takes to be part of a successful Alliance like BoB and are really just bitter. One day, if and when BoB falls (which will be a GLORIOUS battle) then Respect to the victors for the hard work that feat will require! FLAME ON: If any require further evidence of BoB greatness, please line up in an orderly fashion while I missile launch all of you out the nearest torpedoe tube! LOL! FLAME OFF: Here is to many more great battles to come for both friends and enemies I spend Isk I don't have, to buy things I don't need, to impress people I don't like!
iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:11:00 - [356] I know I really shouldn't reply to this whole thread, but some of the replies show how little the poster understands.... What does it take to be a Leader? It's all right there in the word isn't it? LEAD. The guy running the show should never be in the rear pushing everyone else, he should be in front showing the way. Blaming lack of time, lack of 'someone else' stepping up to the plate, etc, for poor leadership..... You know, I can understand real life issues. Been there, done that. But a leader doesn't 'hope' that things will turn out ok, they plan and prepare for those situations. Meh, I'm skirting around my point. The question is, Was Cyvok a good (alliance) leader? No. No disrespect to the person, and he certainly had some things right. But ASCN never came together as a group, and I don't think most in the alliance 'followed' Cyvok - quite a few openly disliked him. One day there'd be threats of kicking everyone who didn't meet x standard out of the alliance - typically a rather crazy unreasonable standard note - the next day it would be retracted as the alliance teetered on the brink of anarchy. Does anyone on the outside really understand how it was? ASCN didn't build 16 Outposts. The closest ASCN came to building anything together was the Titan. Individual corps built Outposts, because it was in their own best interests to build it. We did have a few 'alliance' outings - but frankly, the lockdown of EC-P isn't the one that comes to mind most. Maybe a better example would be the freighter runs, where most people had to be pressured to come help out, while a few got rich off the items that were transported down. ASCN was a good ideal. But, quite frankly, in the end it was a failure. Bob didn't cause the failure, so much as they applied the pressure that finally exposed it's failure. Promote all the 'achievements' of ASCN if you want. But if anyone wants to try to convince themselves that it wasn't a failure - well, where is it now?
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:17:00 - [357] "That should read "we play eve MORE than you" and not "better than you". BoB on average spend more time playing Eve than any other alliance out there." But is there some factual data to back this up, or it's more of case of reverse reasoning? ^^ i.e. "well they achieve more but they cannot be better than us (our ego doesn't allow this possibility) so they must be playing more than we do"..? I just don't remember any sort of breakdown by alliance for time spent playing so well, it's somewhat questionable statement -.o
Usagi Yojimbo Gallente FREELANCERS INC. Miners and Haulers	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:30:00 - [358] If ya cannot win a war ...ya can always surrender.... ASCN could have stepped down from their pedistal and have said to BoB ...congratz dudes ...you are better. But disbanding an entire alliance ....seems a bit harsh. As far as i know BoB is that they love a good fight...even a good laugh. But they are not without reason... Put your pride aside,admit defeat,lick your wounds and come back with a vengeance when you have recovered from the previous war! Its just a game,but also alot like real life If ya dont look out ,somebody will kick your teeth in for 2 isk. Dont worry ...after all its just a game
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:37:00 - [359] Originally by: j0sephine "That should read "we play eve MORE than you" and not "better than you". BoB on average spend more time playing Eve than any other alliance out there." But is there some factual data to back this up, or it's more of case of reverse reasoning? ^^ i.e. "well they achieve more but they cannot be better than us (our ego doesn't allow this possibility) so they must be playing more than we do"..? I just don't remember any sort of breakdown by alliance for time spent playing so well, it's somewhat questionable statement -.o If i didn't have anything better to do i'd go and find some facts, but i've been in very many alliances and most people play an average of one hour per day, some don't log on for long streaks at a time, etc. In BoB afaik you get kicked out for not being active on a daily basis unless you have a holiday/emergency etc.
Hydraxian Gallente Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:44:00 - [360] Well, i left before the war (although i would have stayed if i had known it was coming lol) but still i have to say my time in ASCN (and CLS) were probably the times i had the most fun. If you get away from all the political stuff/flaming, ASCN was a great alliance, i totally agree with the statement that "ASCN was Empire in 0.0" i think i returned to empire maybe 3 times in the 8 months i was involved.. and that was just to tell loot. The thing that defined ASCN to me were the individuals (mostly silent in this thread). It was the Jik's, Zoidbergs and Origim's of the alliance that imo defined it. People who were willing to do everything that was needed for the corp/alliance whether it was mining, defending or attacking. Sure ASCN may have died with a metaphorical and literal BOOM, but i think alot of people will remember ASCN with fond memories of friendships, teamwork and fun. In the end BOB were the better/luckier/more haxxor () players and tore that down, but i hope that such a empire will arise again in the future which will once again flourish. Good luck for whatever the future holds ASCN peeps & especially Cyvok, I for one will fondly remember the alliance whatever the Flamebaters come up with. But most of all... Remember this is a GAME... if your not having fun, take a step back and redefine the game for yourself. This is a Sandbox and you can make almost anything out of it... Long live the ASCN Sandcastle of Doom.... at least in memory..



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