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CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:46:00 - [1] ASCN has been officially disbanded, forums and website decommissioned. It was founded on 5 May 2004 by Celestial Horizon Corp and Dirty Deeds Corp. Some parting words from me. The Base Pay out on the Titan was 22B. The ISK was split between IXC, CLS, & 5618, indirectly. It was used to purchases POSÆs, Fuels and Modules to continue the war effort. The death of the Titan is not what made me decide to leave EvE. I had made that decision the Sunday before. The last 2 years of my Air Force duty were VERY taxing. I was working close to 100 hours a week. In the last 8 months I think I might have had 3 days off. Everyone in ASCN could see what was happening to me. I simply did not have the time to deal with everything in EvE that I needed to properly. To mitigate that I gave more operational control to individual Corps and CEOÆs. ASCN lost its central command structure at that point. I had hoped that I would be able to come back and get everything back on track when my RL calmed down, but that never happened. I had been trying for almost 6 months to get other players to step up to the leadership plate and take control in both ASCN and CLS to no avail. There is a HUGE shortage of players in EvE that have the time to effectively run large organizations like ASCN vs their real lives. The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. A great many individuals but a lot of work into Steve including myself, but a Titan is just a ship and can be replaced, bottom line. The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day?
CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:46:00 - [2] The failure of ASCN? ASCN was a massive SUCCESS for EvE. We were the first Alliance to build an outpost, we built 16 of them in total. We built the first Refinery, Factory and Research. We were the first alliance to try and corporate with our smaller neighbors instead of just crush them. We took an area of 0.0 space and built the first truly active market in 0.0. Their was not a single item in EvE that you could not find in abundance on the Feyth Regional Market. We had price controls so that all our prices were affordable to everyone in the Alliance and to our friends. We allowed non ASCN members to dock at our stations and use our facilities and markets. Minerals in Feyth were cheaper then Empire and most ships were 20% cheaper then in Empire. We did not charge our member Corps rent, we did not have docking fees, we did not have membership or joining fees, we shared our Complexes as best we could and allowed our member Corps to profit from Tax at the refineries they built. ASCN put a lot of work into creating a place in 0.0 where players would not just come to mine, they LIVED in the region. ASCN was around for almost 2 years and in that time most ASCN members never went back to empire to restock on ships, ammo, minerals, drones ect.. They could get it all in Feyth. That was the key. Everyone complains about why more players donÆt live in 0.0, its because its to much work. The key was to build a market in 0.0 so that players would not have to return to Empire when they got their ships destroyed, ran out of ammo or needed a skill. It worked. ASCN had almost 5,000 members (about 2200 mains) and they all thrived in 0.0 space. The truly sad thing is not the destruction of the Titan, the capture of our stations, or the Fall of ASCN. The sad thing is that now that BoB is in Control of our former Space, itÆs a ghost town once again. The markets are bare, no one flying around space, no activity. Its like the rest of 0.0 space. ûComplexes run by crews of Alts, a few marco miners and rat hunters and nothing else. Oh yeah, and about 3000 more players in Jita instead of 0.0. It should also be pointed out that ASCN did not suck at PvP. We were not as good at it as BoB is, but look at our record. In its history: -ASCN conquered Omist in less them 6 hours during the SE/SA conflict. Then we did it again during the MWA/SA conflict before handing the region to LV. -We defeated SE & SA in Esoteria. -We defeated about 50 pirate Corps in Catch & Providence. -We defeated Tribal Souls in 3 days despite the fact that Tribe said they could beat BoB 2 days before ASCN got involved. -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, culminating with the attack on the TRUST industrial complex in EC-P8R. 600 ASCN ships camped that system for 9 days while 40 BoB dreads destroyed the ship yards. ASCN undisputedly held that system for 9 days, NO ONE could do a thing about it. -We CRUSHED MASS & RA in UB5-Z -We survived 3 contracts from the MC and countless others from other merc corps. The simple fact is that ASCN beat the crap out of so many other organizations in EvE that ATTACKED ASCN, that when BoB attacked ASCN all the short sighted left-overs simply cheered. They only wanted to see BoB succeed where they had failed!! So ask yourselves this. The Above is a matter of record, if ASCN defeated all those organizations and BoB is the ONLY organization to ever defeat ASCNà What does that say about what BoB is going to do to the rest of you?
CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:47:00 - [3] Why did ASCN get defeated? The bottom line is very simple, BoB had more fighters that understood how to fight in the worst game mechanics I have seen since EvE was in Beta!! The fact still remains that ASCN killed more BoB then ANY one in EvE ever has and I am sure its going to remain that way for a LONG time. We fought the best we could under the circumstances for 3 months. NO other organization in EvE that BoB has attacked has lasted even 3 weeks. ASCN fought until the reason for fighting disappeared. Why did ASCN give up the fight? Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple. As for me, I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. If the players in BoB want to define their existence by how ôgreatö they are in EvE, that is their decision. But it does not make them better people them myself or those that built ASCN, that decision is made in RL, not in a game. As for those that call me a fool for not cashing out with as much as I could, youÆre the reason that so many great Online titles have failed. You donÆt care about the game or the community or the players, your only looking to gratify yourself interest. I am not like that. I have always believed that the community and the individual players are the most important part of any game. The games with the most interaction between players belonging to a community are the most successful. The games where the community is hostile to everyone eventually fail or are forgotten. The day the Community of EvE realizes that every player in the game deserves to be respected regardless of how good or bad they are is the day EvE will dominate the OLG market. When a 3 month old player ventures into low sec or 0.0 for the first time after getting bored with missions and empire, is then greeted with comments like: ôNooB!ö ôMoron!ö ôThis is MY space pew pew!ö hahahhahaha! Go back to Jita Ect all they do is cancel their account. There is nothing wrong with being respect to others. You can still kill them, but after doing so let them know what they did wrong and give them advice on how to move ahead in the game. Keep the in the game, because eventually all you jerks out there are going to chase everyone else out of the game and work will get around that the Eve player base sucks. Then we wont have any new players coming in. Fact is that griefers donÆt like to play games with other griefers because its to much of a challenge, then the game dies. As for me personally. I love EvE, I still think itÆs the greatest game currently available by a wide margin. I truly hope that its success grows and that CCP is able to get a handle on all the issues. Also last January 5th ASCN purchased me a nightmare for my birthday. It was the first faction ship I ever owned in EvE. That ship is located in VNGJ-U and one day I WILL be flying it freely through Feyth again. -CYVOK-
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:51:00 - [4] Edited by: God''s Army on 31/01/2007 04:47:55 gl cyvok ---- Long life the warrios of God R0ADKILL ALLIANCE Killboard
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:51:00 - [5] Hurts doesn't it You Will Cry My Name
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:52:00 - [6] Quite the write up. Sig removed. Please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) Listen to BoB Radio!! WELCOME BACK MGRL
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:52:00 - [7] Nicely Put. NEWEST MOVIE : VETO FOR HIRE
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it Hardly necessary. /Ben How to fix Eve
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:55:00 - [9] Sucks it had to it end like that for you guys. GG Click above for my killboard stats.
Elisca Black Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:56:00 - [10] Originally by: CYVOK As for me personally. I love EvE, I still think itÆs the greatest game currently available by a wide margin. I truly hope that its success grows and that CCP is able to get a handle on all the issues. Also last January 5th ASCN purchased me a nightmare for my birthday. It was the first faction ship I ever owned in EvE. That ship is located in VNGJ-U and one day I WILL be flying it freely through Feyth again. -CYVOK- I believe Dian has the going fee schedule for individuals....

ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:57:00 - [11] Originally by: CYVOK That ship is located in VNGJ-U and one day I WILL be flying it freely through Feyth again. -CYVOK- You could've just put it up for sale with the xetic mins fishy... [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:57:00 - [12] reserved for a post in a moment -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Xanenal Wolfenrecon	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:58:00 - [13] Quote: The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? Well...That is certainly news. Which corporations built them? And where are those corporations now?
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it Hardly necessary. /Ben Indeed it was. You Will Cry My Name
Menth Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:59:00 - [15] Can i have ASCN's stuff oh wait we do \o/
00tricky Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:02:00 - [16] you still just don't get it.
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it Hardly necessary. Indeed it was. disbelief /Ben How to fix Eve
Chronus26 Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:03:00 - [18] Goodbye ASCN. The alliance may be gone, but the hard work and determination of thousands of people will remain forever in Feythabolis, and more importantly in the memories of those who saw it rise and fall. Goodluck. -----
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:04:00 - [19] Nira, you're as cold as ice Nice write up from your point of view. - WeComeInPeace Video
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:04:00 - [20] --- Reserved for a message on the first page --- ----------

Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:04:00 - [21] Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? So what's the answer? _ Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Kam SingDu'k Singularity.	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:04:00 - [22] Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? 2 more titans Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames)
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Kyguard Nira, you're as cold as ice Nice write up from your point of view. I have no symapthy for someone who have failed 2 times in a row. You Will Cry My Name
Drakma Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Kyguard Nira, you're as cold as ice Nice write up from your point of view. I have no symapthy for someone who have failed 2 times in a row. Sorry, whenever I see your name, the Sarah Lee song goes through my head... ----------------- Gekidoku is recruiting
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:09:00 - [25] Quote: The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? Are you trying to foreshadow or hinting that someone stole them? Didn't the "alamo" ASCN corps give up a titan to get their stuff out safely? Just wanted this confirmed since a corpmate of mine was mentioning it and refused to provide links - WeComeInPeace Video
Rak'Kabal Kain Minmatar Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:09:00 - [26] -- Holder --
Gralatus Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:09:00 - [27] ASCN will forever be a part of the Eve landscape. The good, the bad and the ugly. I'd hope Bob could just let it go and not feel the need to rehash, but I somehow doubt it. BoB won, ASCN lost. Everything eventually comes to an end. RIP
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:10:00 - [28] o7 --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Nevenda'ar	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:10:00 - [30] Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? Looks to me like someone decided to give themselves a nice Cristmas present

Tassadar Beta Amarr Miner Protection Guild	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:10:00 - [31] Edited by: Tassadar Beta on 31/01/2007 05:07:25 It will be rehashed again and again the failures of ASCN and the blame will generally be put in one direction by either side. But it is always sad to see a major Alliance go as has been with the passing of the old alliance and the introduction of the new. But that is EvE you are only as good as your latest triumph. ASCN now join a long list of gone but not quite forgotten alliances.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:11:00 - [32] Edited by: Nira Li on 31/01/2007 05:08:42 Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. You eat what you sow. It's as simple as that. Oh and this is a game, don't forget that. You Will Cry My Name
Adelon Cypher Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:13:00 - [33] ASCN is dead, but CLS will carry on. 'twas fun.
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:14:00 - [34] Nice Outposts - we took them Nice Titan - we killed it Nice regions - we took them Bitter much?
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:15:00 - [35] Thanks for the writeup, I had been awaiting the ASCN opinion for some time now.
Orgs Amarr Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:19:00 - [36] Quote: In its history: In its history: -ASCN conquered Omist in less them 6 hours during the SE/SA conflict. Then we did it again during the MWA/SA conflict before handing the region to LV. -We defeated SE & SA in Esoteria. Well TBH you only took Omist AFTER ALL of SA had deployed to fight SE. As far as ASCN's illustrious history....well as they say 2 sides to every story. As I am quite sure many people can take each "History" from your list and explain..." The rest of The Story" anyway GL and godspeed. Now maybe a certain CEO may actually have to do something for a change. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames)
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:19:00 - [37] CYVOK, you fail to see the whole point of 0.0 and the concept of conquering it. What about all those alliances that you listed as the ones that your alliance has conquered? Now that the shoe is on the other foot all of a sudden bob are evil and are exploiters etc. So what if they are online "80%" of the time. What's wrong with dedication? Sure it's a game. So is football. So is poker. People don't just play to have fun. They play to win as well. Bob understands the reality of EVE game mechanics and goes full throttle with them. You think BoB or ASCN or anyone for that matter wants lag? You think that node crashes are what everyone wants? I bet you a fully fitted Titan that BoB and just about everyone else would LOVE to have fleet battles with ZERO lag and no node crashing. Remember, the lag or node crashes work agaisnt everyone. BoB just knew how to deal with it without *****ing and moaning about it all the time.
Bon Ali Bon's Ecological Recycling	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:19:00 - [38] Originally by: SirMolle Nice Outposts - we took them Nice Titan - we killed it Nice regions - we took them Bitter much? Jeeze, you really are a useless ****.
DinoC ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:19:00 - [39] Nice Words Cyvok and GL on your future ventures. The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:20:00 - [40] Originally by: Nira Li Edited by: Nira Li on 31/01/2007 05:08:42 Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. You eat what you sow. It's as simple as that. Oh and this is a game, don't forget that. So ironic considering that eventually someone is gonna be quoting this same exact thing to you and your uber-1337 buddies. Thanks for finally giving me my damn picture!

Ramireza Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:21:00 - [41] Edited by: Ramireza on 31/01/2007 05:20:26 We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, culminating with the attack on the TRUST industrial complex in EC-P8R. 600 ASCN ships camped that system for 9 days while 40 BoB dreads destroyed the ship yards. ASCN undisputedly held that system for 9 days, NO ONE could do a thing about it. Sorry, but... just LOL. You still believe that BS right?
Kingdoc Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it What a complete ass to say that. It shows a petty mindset, absolutely no class and worst of all a lack of respect. You are a disgrace to your corp and alliance. One of the reasons I play eve is for the mature and (mostly) respectful atmosphere. You, and players like you taint the air. The day players like you outnumber real people like me I will be canceling my account with CCP. Sadly, it seems the faster BoB grows the quicker that day arrives. ----------------------------------- Live in 0.0 - Mine in 0.0 - Rat in 0.0 - Be part of a winning team! Join channel pkkp to speak with a Phoenix Knights member today!
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:24:00 - [43] Hi, my name is CYVOK (all caps because I love aol) I am bitter because I lost my titan. Those dirty bob scoundrels also took my lunch money. Now listen up, ASCN was awesome at pvp. Just look at what we took without a fight (lol corp spys offline pos's for us!! HAHA!!) bob is horrible because they use spys to offline pos's and killed my titan. I'm not bitter about the titan btw. Oh ya, I split the money up by buying POS resources that were never actually used (LOL) because all the pos's were destroyed or taken offline by dirty bob spys. bob also killed my titan btw. Now, ASCN was awesome and you should all bow down and kiss our collective buttes because were so awesome WAY more than bob. Did I mention that bob killed my titan?? bob cheats, they have no honor, and I hate them for taking my birthday away. regards CYVOK (lol caps!!)
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:25:00 - [44] why are you talking about your personal struggles on an online game forum? Hardly necessary to garnish pity over a game. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Shinjuro The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:25:00 - [45] Originally by: SirMolle Nice Outposts - we took them Nice Titan - we killed it Nice regions - we took them Bitter much? Not anymore, b/c he's got a NIGHTMARE!!ZOMG11LeVEN!! oh and.. at the 2 missing titans...
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Kingdoc Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it What a complete ass to say that. It shows a petty mindset, absolutely no class and worst of all a lack of respect. You are a disgrace to your corp and alliance. One of the reasons I play eve is for the mature and (mostly) respectful atmosphere. You, and players like you taint the air. The day players like you outnumber real people like me I will be canceling my account with CCP. Sadly, it seems the faster BoB grows the quicker that day arrives. Well if you can't see why I responded like did you are a hypocrit. You Will Cry My Name
silverscope	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:26:00 - [47] Well it was fun to watch and its a shame the great history that ASCN has wont continue. /me salutes CYVOK and all he has done
MasterDecoy Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:26:00 - [48] Originally by: CYVOK -We defeated Tribal Souls in 3 days despite the fact that Tribe said they could beat BoB 2 days before ASCN got involved. first: lol second: a lot more than 3 days (at least a week). third: congratulation in blobing an marginal alliance that could only (at best) have a hundred members online. the only thing you were ever good at is throwing a lot of people at a target and cross your fingers it'd be enough. what goes around comes around i say, good riddance ascn!
Raivi Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:31:00 - [49] For those who think BoB's reaction here is out of line, read CYVOK's post again. He insulted BoB throughout the whole thing, essentially calling them honorless cowards who only won because they have no life. They have every right to respond harshly. I'm disappointed that this is how CYVOK chose to announce the disbanding of such a huge alliance.
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:34:00 - [50] GL Cyvok, after what you accomplished in-game, the rest of us are left in it's wake. You deserve the best, here's to flying that Nightmare in Feyth again one day

Dilsnik Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:36:00 - [51] Originally by: SirMolle Nice Outposts - we took them Nice Titan - we killed it Nice regions - we took them Bitter much? In other words : Nice Game - we griefed it Nice Game - we are ruining it Nice Game - we will eventually kill it Truth Much? http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/2945/dilssigfinalpd0.gif Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Dilsnik Originally by: SirMolle Nice Outposts - we took them Nice Titan - we killed it Nice regions - we took them Bitter much? In other words : Nice Game - we griefed it Nice Game - we are ruining it Nice Game - we will eventually kill it Truth Much? Got bitter?
Odecilice BlizzCom	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:40:00 - [53] Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. how about this boo hoo. Quote: Harpezza > they need to make a movie called eve online history x so i can curb stomp some caldari!
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Lunaticdie04 Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:48:00 - [55] Originally by: Svett Originally by: Dilsnik Originally by: SirMolle Nice Outposts - we took them Nice Titan - we killed it Nice regions - we took them Bitter much? In other words : Nice Game - we griefed it Nice Game - we are ruining it Nice Game - we will eventually kill it Truth Much? Got bitter? Got cake? <3 BuBbles
Colonel Ripper The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:49:00 - [56] Just sad sad replies, from BOTH sides. I had fun, enjoyed the fights, and ingame most people were pretty respectful of each other. Im just sorry it doesnt extend to the forums.
Horatio Nately Caldari Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:53:00 - [57] Edited by: Horatio Nately on 31/01/2007 05:50:00 I really have to say though. Regarding the Titan: If ASCN were put in the position BoB was, I'm sure you guys would have gone for it and would be touting it as a great victory against the horde. Try a little humility. --------------------------------------- My Posts Represent My Opinion, Not Those of my Corp or Alliance.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:56:00 - [58] BoB's day will come. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Phoenixgurl Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:56:00 - [59] I can't beleive Cyvok you still don't understand why ASCN lost the war. ASCN wasn't "good" at PvP, they were horrible and that's why you guys lost. That's it, that's all. And don't post things like "The titan didn't matter to me" ... it's like when you loose your GF after 3 years of communial life and say "bah, I don't care" ... yeah right dude! -------------------------- When the universe collapses and dies, there will be 3 survivors: Tyr Anasazi, the cocroaches ... and Dylan Hunt trying to save the cocroaches. --Tyr (Andromeda)
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:58:00 - [60] Originally by: Phoenixgurl I can't beleive Cyvok you still don't understand why ASCN lost the war. ASCN wasn't "good" at PvP, they were horrible and that's why you guys lost. That's it, that's all. And don't post things like "The titan didn't matter to me" ... it's like when you loose your GF after 3 years of communial life and say "bah, I don't care" ... yeah right dude! It's just a ship. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services


Karl Chroimcer Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:58:00 - [61] Just to remind everyone, criticizing what CYVOK wrote is not a problem, but open flaming is not and will be removed. The Aussie Mod

Phoenixgurl Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:04:00 - [62] Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Phoenixgurl I can't beleive Cyvok you still don't understand why ASCN lost the war. ASCN wasn't "good" at PvP, they were horrible and that's why you guys lost. That's it, that's all. And don't post things like "The titan didn't matter to me" ... it's like when you loose your GF after 3 years of communial life and say "bah, I don't care" ... yeah right dude! It's just a ship. Took him about a year to build & train, I'm sure it hurts somewhere... -------------------------- When the universe collapses and dies, there will be 3 survivors: Tyr Anasazi, the cocroaches ... and Dylan Hunt trying to save the cocroaches. --Tyr (Andromeda)
CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Buxaroo CYVOK, you fail to see the whole point of 0.0 and the concept of conquering it. What about all those alliances that you listed as the ones that your alliance has conquered? Now that the shoe is on the other foot all of a sudden bob are evil and are exploiters etc. So what if they are online "80%" of the time. What's wrong with dedication? Sure it's a game. So is football. So is poker. People don't just play to have fun. They play to win as well. The differances is ASCN was not the attacker in any war we fought, with the exception of Tribe. We were under attack from day 1 of our existance and we survived for 2 years. Thats a good run for a misguided, week alliance full of carebears. The problem with BoB is they are the cause of 90% of the issues they complain about by virtue of the way the approach EvE. The other problem with BoB is that it is full of sheep that have no creativity or drive to succede on their own. Players join BoB because it is easier to become part of the #1 mob in EvE rather then try to build their own empire. ASCN tried to build its own instead of taking the easy path. I am very proud of what ASCN achieved, we built something amazing from nothing. BoB just destroys and assimilates. -CYVOK-
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:06:00 - [64] I believe ASCN failed because: 1)You believed because you built such a wonderful 0.0. model(which I admire btw) that you could not fail. 2)You believed that most of ASCN cared about it just as much as you did. 3)You believed BoB would never truly try and destroy you. 4)You underestimated how feeding utterly mindless amounts of kills to a pvp alliance not only weakens your fighting force but strengthens the other side. 5)You actually believed this quote, Originally by: CYVOK -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly,
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:06:00 - [65] I think that CYVOK is really a good manager type person who can make the alliance into a great industrial power. But at same time, CYVOK totally sucks in PvP, he doesn't understand the nature of EVE PvP, yet he tries to be the top general of all fleets. The combination of these factors inevitably results in tragedy. On one side, people respect him for what he built. On the other hand, there's the justified hate of people whose life is all about pvp, as they see the horrible flaws in CYVOK's approach to all aspects of pvp. ASCN could have been a truely successful alliance if CYVOK only controlled the industrial and diplomatic aspects of it, while someone else was in charge of all PvP related activity - someone with real talent in that area.
Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:08:00 - [66] da, the post started off ok them omgzBob are lame gankzors...and then it went down hill from there... Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:08:00 - [67] Originally by: CYVOK Originally by: Buxaroo CYVOK, you fail to see the whole point of 0.0 and the concept of conquering it. What about all those alliances that you listed as the ones that your alliance has conquered? Now that the shoe is on the other foot all of a sudden bob are evil and are exploiters etc. So what if they are online "80%" of the time. What's wrong with dedication? Sure it's a game. So is football. So is poker. People don't just play to have fun. They play to win as well. The differances is ASCN was not the attacker in any war we fought, with the exception of Tribe. We were under attack from day 1 of our existance and we survived for 2 years. Thats a good run for a misguided, week alliance full of carebears. The problem with BoB is they are the cause of 90% of the issues they complain about by virtue of the way the approach EvE. The other problem with BoB is that it is full of sheep that have no creativity or drive to succede on their own. Players join BoB because it is easier to become part of the #1 mob in EvE rather then try to build their own empire. ASCN tried to build its own instead of taking the easy path. I am very proud of what ASCN achieved, we built something amazing from nothing. BoB just destroys and assimilates. -CYVOK- So what about us that were part of BoB form the begining are we just sheeps as well? We built a war machine unlike anything else in eve and we will keep on showing that destruction is something beautiful. Tbh you should be happy we let you build your empire after you lost Xetic. You Will Cry My Name
Traffic Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:09:00 - [68] So CYVOK, in other words you are bitter: NOT because we killed your titan after you logged off with aggro timer in a DEEP safe spot, NOT because we killed your 0.0 market NOT because we killed your alliance NOT because we kicked your sorry ass back to empire to run missions (yeah I remember your last "boo hoo" post, it was almost more pathetic than this one) and even now, that YOU ARE NOT THE OFFICIAL LEADER of ASCN anymore, you're the one that comes to the EVE-O forums posting a ASCN official statement that you chose to do so in such a childish way like before, you accused BOB of hacking, exploiting, cheating, RL harassment, honorless, well... I could go on with the list but I think you got the point and all that to cover up the MASS failure you are as a leader. You are such a hypocrit CYVOK, that even now in the "official" end you choose to insult BOB because you fail and in your statement you talk about "There is nothing wrong with being respect to others." I really hope you get back to 0.0 cause one Xirtan is not enough.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:11:00 - [69] Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it Hardly necessary. /Ben Neither was those 3 posts ___________________________________________________________________
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:17:00 - [70] Flames incoming... Activate thermic hardeners.

CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:18:00 - [71] Originally by: Ephemeron I think that CYVOK is really a good manager type person who can make the alliance into a great industrial power. But at same time, CYVOK totally sucks in PvP, he doesn't understand the nature of EVE PvP, yet he tries to be the top general of all fleets. While I agree that I am not a good PvP general I need to correct your error. I almost never commanded any PvP fleet. I attempted to set overall objectives, like "establish a base in TPAR, but I left the actually planning and execution to those that were better than I at combat in EvE. I know my strengths and limitations, I am not a good general, I am a good leader and organizer. I have always known when to step out of the way of those that know what they are doing. ASCN simply did not have enough good Generals. We had Drakma & Crohnx and that was about it. The rest of our generals had joined BoB and the MC many months before the conflict between us started. The reason I include some details of my person life is for background. I am not looking for sympathy, I am looking for understanding. The fall of ASCN was a combination of a great many things including the real life circumstances of those involved, that is why it is relevant to the topic. As for those saying I am flaming, I am sorry you feel that way. With rare exception I have never openly flamed or insulted any individual in EvE. I may seriously dislike the way some players choose to act but I have always respected the right of each player to act as they see fit. We all pay for that right, its unfortunate that some choose to "Roll Play" the jerk instead of the honorable adversary. -CYVOK-
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:18:00 - [72] I respect BoB as pvpers, I know they are one of the best pvp oriented alliances. But damn, they got so many self righteous *****s, stroking their egoes, makes me want to puke I will always fight on opposite side of BoB, for a chance to wipe those smirks off their faces
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MACTEP Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:34:00 - [74] Respect
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:35:00 - [75] Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/01/2007 06:33:15 Probably my last post on the eve-O forums before my subscription runs out.... Leading an alliance like Cyvok did is probably the biggest time sink known to man. Hats off to Cyvok for putting in the time that he did even with a very demanding RL career. EVE in general is a massive time sink and trying to create a 0.0 existance is very time consuming, this is true for BoB as it was for ASCN as it is for any 0.0 alliance. The problem is what do you do with the time you have online? .... well this is the key. BoB use their online time to pursue military excellence, backed up by powerful industry... but nevertheless all their efforts are geared towards being the best at pvp that they possibly can be (the industry included), able to adapt to server conditions as and when and still execute fleet warfare. ASCN used their online time... in the words of Cyvok to "build a market in 0.0 so that players would not have to return to Empire when they got their ships destroyed, ran out of ammo or needed a skill", effectively Empire space in 0.0 And whilst this is a commendable goal it becomes irrelevant when pitched against a dedicated entitiy that lives to pvp. Yes ASCN had impressive fleets of capital ships and support... but it was not in regular use.... PVP was not ASCN's primary function. So... two alliances went head to head. They had similar stature and the theoretical manpower to fight a long bloody drawn out war... well this was on paper. In reality BoB found themselves in their element and ASCN was like a fish out of water. The truth is ASCN was woefully unprepared to face the challenge that BoB threw at it..... now whose fault is this? Is it Cyvok's? or is it the fault of the ASCN pilots that flew under the ASCN banner under ideals that were unsuitable for the cut-throat environment that is EVE 0.0? The best thing that can happen from the ASCN war is to basically put it down to experience and call it a learning experience for the ASCN pilots involved. And the lesson learnt.... if you are not pursuing pvp excellence as a 0.0 entity you are wasting your time. Its a simple but hard lesson that EVE has been teaching 0.0 inhabitants since the servers went live.... it is symptomatic of the human condition that it hasn't been learnt yet... maybe now it will.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:37:00 - [76] You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis
balrog Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:38:00 - [77] Edited by: balrog on 31/01/2007 06:39:59
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:42:00 - [78] Originally by: CYVOK While I agree that I am not a good PvP general I need to correct your error. I almost never commanded any PvP fleet. I attempted to set overall objectives, like "establish a base in TPAR, but I left the actually planning and execution to those that were better than I at combat in EvE. I know my strengths and limitations, I am not a good general, I am a good leader and organizer. A good organizer isn't necessarily a good military strategist. With a carebear having final say over all military decisions you never stood a chance. You were very good at many aspects of the game, you just bit off more than you can chew.
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:43:00 - [79] Originally by: CYVOK In its history: -ASCN conquered Omist in less them 6 hours during the SE/SA conflict. Then we did it again during the MWA/SA conflict before handing the region to LV. -We defeated SE & SA in Esoteria. -We defeated about 50 pirate Corps in Catch & Providence. -We defeated Tribal Souls in 3 days despite the fact that Tribe said they could beat BoB 2 days before ASCN got involved. -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, culminating with the attack on the TRUST industrial complex in EC-P8R. 600 ASCN ships camped that system for 9 days while 40 BoB dreads destroyed the ship yards. ASCN undisputedly held that system for 9 days, NO ONE could do a thing about it. -We CRUSHED MASS & RA in UB5-Z -We survived 3 contracts from the MC and countless others from other merc corps. Burns his diplomacy certificate Omist was empty, except for my gang - And we shot our way out to get at SE in Esoteria UB5 station changed hands so many times we stopped counting and practically made your other station in the area unusable with a handfull of SWC members(I was there) I have yet to lose a war/conflict to you, your corp or any of your alliances CYVOK The only thing your alliance succeeded in was **ing off everyone and theyr mother as well as builind lots of stuff only to lose it. Only thing that I'm **ed off about is BoB took you out and not me.
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:45:00 - [80] who here signed up for warhammer online? u guys taking this game dam too serious yeah eve sometimes pops in RL and i say stupid dam eve stuff to people and they be like HUH? the game is addictive its the dam best game i ever played online and u all agree on that. Sir Molle meets Cyvok in RL how will you both treat each other? will you lose a friend for a game? will you not make a friend in rl cause of a game? Gl in the future Cyvok and old ASCN and GL for BoB on their future campigns just have fun guys and smile dammit respect for both and cyas in space The Master Of Chaos Celes Celes KB

Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:46:00 - [81] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis In order to avoid flames, you have to stop posting crap.
Iroku Mata	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:48:00 - [82] Originally by: CYVOK We allowed non ASCN members to dock at our stations and use our facilities and markets. NoLu asked few months before the South War, if that would be possible to come to the ASCN regions. You know what you have answerd CYBOK? Hopefull you can remember me, if not, not important. You are lying about this specific situation, probably you have dreamed about that utopia in the south. This is a game, take it easy. Cya
Cartiff Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:56:00 - [83] As can be seen by uor post cyvok, your abit bitter about the titan, but lets face it, if the bob titan had crashed/logged in the same situation you would have sold your own parents to get that killmail. Anyone would, to diable a large tactical asset such as a titan with mimimal risk is just plain good tactics. BOB were there with the assets nearby to get the job done. During NBSI/EU days we engaged ASCN for around 90% of our pvp time, and i can attend to the posts here, ascn pvp was shocking, they lacked fleet and skirmish experience. Weither this was through lack of FC's or just stupid gang members i won't know, but as everyone in eve knows, might is right and if you live in 0.0, be prepared to back the claim up with pvp ability. Its a shame ASCN died to BOB, as I'd have liked to ride through feyth flying the flag of destruction myself, but saying that, i would have moved EU to help ASCN against BOB if we weren't already busy with Geminate POSwars. You had a good run fella, take it easy. ----------------------------------- "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys" Originally by: Milivikal DeWrar GoonSwarm: powered by static electricty from polysci and law nerds rubbing stubble in thought.
TrippyX Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:00:00 - [84] Originally by: Ephemeron I respect BoB as pvpers, I know they are one of the best pvp oriented alliances. But damn, they got so many self righteous *****s, stroking their egoes, makes me want to puke I will always fight on opposite side of BoB, for a chance to wipe those smirks off their faces glad you're with us Eph As for CYVOK, yes, you didn't lead the fleets.. but John McCreedy sure as hell ain't any better at it. ____________________ I ♥ [TSYND]
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:02:00 - [85] Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Shamis Orzoz You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis In order to avoid flames, you have to stop posting crap. ???
jernej Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:18:00 - [86] For the ones who dont want to read the whole post. Here's the short version: The dog ate my homework and Bob sux. -- Plz sign my thread
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:25:00 - [87] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Shamis Orzoz You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis In order to avoid flames, you have to stop posting crap. ??? If you can't see how sad, bitter and insulting cyvok's post is you probably have the same things wrong with you as cyvok himself.
Luna Liandri PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:26:00 - [88] that ... Originally by: CYVOK ... They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. ... and that ... Originally by: CYVOK 600 ASCN ships camped that system for 9 days while 40 BoB dreads destroyed the ship yards. ASCN undisputedly held that system for 9 days, NO ONE could do a thing about it. ... made me laugh, hypocrisis ftw ... ET is just right, all that talk about respect, honour and such stuff is BS everyone and his dog uses to boast at times and whine at others ... anyway, gl to your future.
Drokar Gazer Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:26:00 - [89] Originally by: CYVOK Originally by: Ephemeron I think that CYVOK is really a good manager type person who can make the alliance into a great industrial power. But at same time, CYVOK totally sucks in PvP, he doesn't understand the nature of EVE PvP, yet he tries to be the top general of all fleets. While I agree that I am not a good PvP general I need to correct your error. I almost never commanded any PvP fleet. I attempted to set overall objectives, like "establish a base in TPAR, but I left the actually planning and execution to those that were better than I at combat in EvE. I know my strengths and limitations, I am not a good general, I am a good leader and organizer. I have always known when to step out of the way of those that know what they are doing. ASCN simply did not have enough good Generals. We had Drakma & Crohnx and that was about it. The rest of our generals had joined BoB and the MC many months before the conflict between us started. The reason I include some details of my person life is for background. I am not looking for sympathy, I am looking for understanding. The fall of ASCN was a combination of a great many things including the real life circumstances of those involved, that is why it is relevant to the topic. As for those saying I am flaming, I am sorry you feel that way. With rare exception I have never openly flamed or insulted any individual in EvE. I may seriously dislike the way some players choose to act but I have always respected the right of each player to act as they see fit. We all pay for that right, its unfortunate that some choose to "Roll Play" the jerk instead of the honorable adversary. -CYVOK- There were more good FC's than just Drakma and Crohnx. Krapz was one of the best assets in ASCN (when he was playing) The problem was that your original objective with ASCN was to become a strong alliance as opposed to Xetic which couldn't make a decision without 10 hour long meetings. The only difference was that ASCN didnt have the meetings. You broke every rule you set out for ASCN to become. Corps that joined sat on their butts filling their belly's and didnt give a crap about what ASCN was philosophically. They were there to make isk. You as the leader set that tone. You drove out your pvp'ers because you were too afraid to set anyone negative and when BoB flew small fleets/gangs into ASCN territory you prohibited ASCN pilots from entering BoB space out of fear they would attack. Well that was your mistake. You dont fend off Piranhas by NAP'ing them.. you fight them and earn their respect. Pvp'ers need targets and you avoided every confrontation you could so you could continue to build your dream industrial alliance. But you forgot the purpose of ASCN. You forgot why we created the alliance. And you made Xetic's mistake all over again. I have respect for you cyvok in that since day one that you became CEO of Celestial Horizon you had a goal and you shared that vision with your corp and you led a great band of ex - Earth & Beyond players to the top of EVE, even if only for a while. But every dream has to end, and one day even BoB's dream will end. Their members will realize that at some point, joining the winning team just to win doesnt mean anything. 90% of the fun of any objective is the path to achieving your goals, not joining in when their is only 10% left to achieve and saying you won. But neither is giving it 90% effort, and hoping the last 10% will fall into line. Your alliance failed because it could not defend itself. It lasted 3 months because it was a beast. It takes time to kill hundreds of POS. It didnt take 3 months because BoB was challenged by your pvp abilities. I say good luck Cyvok.. you achieved a lot. Respect for that, but in the end, all things change, all things die off, nothing lasts forever. Peace. ________________________________________ Drokar Gazer Not the sig your looking for. Move along.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:31:00 - [90] This only proves that human nature is more keen to destroy than build. Pretty much sums up whole ideology and motive behind 90% of EVE-Online community. I'm part of alliance that wants to destroy rather than build .. fine most people are cool with that but if I have alt that does more building game than destroying - I get accused of being carebear and whatnot. Until people realise this basic stuff, there will be events like this. It's just way too much hassle to build than to destroy. BoB conquers and crushes but they won't repair or build up those wrecks they left behind. They will instead setup vassal program and leave work to others. I think there has been only 2 alliances in EVE that I truly respect: FA and ASCN. They tried building but both got crushed by warmongers known as a B(l)oB. Let the flames begin, BOBBY! Playing Caldari-Online as a Amarr specced is PURE Hardcore

Specops Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:33:00 - [91] First off, ASCN was a fantastic alliance and I will miss being part of it. I have to say throughout all of this hardly anyone seems to give CYVOK the credit he deserves. ASCN became what it became soley because of him. Sure there were thousands of people in the alliance who helped mine for the minerals and helped defend, but it was CYVOK who organized all of it. CYVOK planned for all of it. Two and a half years ago, when XETIC was falling apart, CYVOK was already planning and discussing in the CLS board forum what he wanted to do with Feythabolis. I think the alliance met all of his expectations. We set many firsts in our time with the outposts and the Titan. I don't want to name any other alliances, but the reality is that it is because of CYVOK and only CYVOK that ASCN didn't wind up like most other alliances that are reasonably succesful but nothing special. Assuming of course an alliance could have been founded at all in Feythabolis in the aftermath of XETIC without CYVOK . Unfortunately I have been out of game longer than I have been in game in these last two years. I missed a lot of the wars in ASCN's history. I do recall, however, we have always had enemies and IMHO I don't think weve ever give anyone real reason to start shooting us. When ASCN was first born, Euphoria Released and friends immedietatly declared how we were traitors to XETIC and what not and thus by attacking us we had our first enemies. Since that time we have endured all sorts of enemies. Most of these wars have been started because we have been perceieved as an easy picking (Ex. What did we ever do to IRON/G?). My point is if you ever had a problem with ASCN and you came to us about it, and you were serious about solving it, we would resolve it diplomatically. Other alliances may jump at the chance to start a war, but us being the pacifist carebears that we were, would never start a war. I believe in ASCN's history we were the ones to start the shooting first only once and that was because (It was Tribal Souls) kept repeatedly BSing us. So contrary to popular belief, no, ASCN was not a giant bully that prayed on the weak every chance it got. To BoB and specfically Sir Molle: I don't know what your true reasons were for attacking us. If what you said publically is true, and you were just looking for the best fight you could get, than I suggest you sack whoever gave you that intel because ASCN never was or had been a PvP powerhouse. I hope gaining Feythabolis was worth it to you as in the process you lost one of the few allies you have that is not in your immediate sphere of influence. I don't know what the official standings toward BoB were in the 2 year history of ASCN, but I do know that unofficially, up until the start of the war, ASCN had always counted BoB as a friend. As far as CLS is concerned this is not the last Eve has seen of us. Sure, what happened to ASCN is a setback, but it is by no means a killing blow. This day was anticipated even before we formally broke off from XETIC. In the same way CLS rose up from the remains of XETIC to create a better and stronger alliance, we will once again do the same again. It is only a matter of time before XETIC 3.0 is awing you all with our sheer indutrial might and equally stupefying everyone with our faulty PvP skills. ~Specops~
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:38:00 - [92] Jesus, you are still clueless as to why things fell apart. Even one of the main a$$hats himself makes an appearance in the thread and you fail to rise up and call him on the crap him and his ilk stained ASCN with. And it's oh so ironic that he comes here with this "it's a game" crap that never stopped him(tbh I dont think he knows what that phrase means) or his sidekicks from DDC\syncore from alienating so many. And you never, to this day, called them on any of that crap. You still probably "fondly" recall the "Things they did for ASCN." Well, here's another lesson about MMO's that I'll share with you as someone whose been in them for a good 10 years now and seen pretty much everything: There are always those and will always be those flaming antisocials who see a need to do good deeds to "offset" their rude and deviant antisocial natures. For them, it's like "making a deposit" in the bank on the good side in order to gain the favor of those in power when they their true antisocial streak comes to the forefront later. You know, so that when they go off on someone in a completely inappropriate way on TS or when they pod someone from another corp in their own alliance.....that they have no worries because they've done their "good for the alliance." And there are some ****poor leaders that fall for that. Mostly because said leaders don't have a moral compass worth a damn. You just do what's expedient for the moment and brush off what the antisocial did because of "all they did on the good side" for you. Everyone that quit your alliance and probably more than a few that turned into spys for BoB were just people your select flaming ASCN antisocials had their way with and finally decided enough is enough. All this garbage about "industrial alliance" or "pvp alliance" or "not being ready for an invasion of an immense scale" is pure diversion. ASCN rotted from the inside and that was that.
Meleira Luan Tiger Trading	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:44:00 - [93] Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 31/01/2007 05:52:55 While criticism is allowed, we ask that you be respectful to other players of the game. This post is also flamebait and has such been removed. -Karl Woho! Karl Chroimcer for President! Finally a forum moderator that dares smack BoB on the head for their constant forum trolling, whining and flaimbaiting. Even SirMolle got the stick, I love it! To the OP I must say I found it a great post and I'm happy you finally posted something with your own words. I think ASCN did a great job against BoB, they are hard to beat and they are not terribly fun to fight either. RL is greater than Eve, I think you made the right choices and with this post you have reassured me that if there are "good guys" in Eve you were it, and that BoB remains the impolite bullies that nobody really will like. No matter how blue the map will get.
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:51:00 - [94] I'd throw in my two isk, but the previous posts pretty much covered it. Good luck CYVOK, I missed your typos
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:53:00 - [95] Originally by: CYVOK Fact is BoB hate PvP Originally by: CYVOK NO other organization in EvE that BoB has attacked has lasted even 3 weeks. Originally by: CYVOK Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple. Originally by: CYVOK That ship is located in VNGJ-U and one day I WILL be flying it freely through Feyth again. More facts Cyvok? I don't think I've taking any greater pleasure in saying "I told you so" to the eve community. Bye now, fly safe, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Evelgrivion Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:54:00 - [96] Ascendant Frontier didn't lose just because their fighters weren't as capable as Band of Brothers. Band of Brothers didn't win because they fought better. The reason Ascendant Frontier lost is because you weren't there to fill the power vacuum, provide direction and moral support. Ive seen it happen before. Organizations rally themselves around you. If SirMolle were to disappear in the heat of crisis, Evolution would be significantly influenced for the worse in regards to direction unless someone from one of the other mega-corps filled the void. If theres any lesson to be learned, it isn't that one side fought better than the other. Ascendant Frontier's numbers would be enough without superior equipment or skills because it all does not mean one damn thing without strong leadership and organization. This has been proven time and time again, yet so precious few recognize this fact. Discipline, leadership, presence, and unity are the keys to victory. Band of Brothers knows this. The Red Swarm knows this. Wake up and smell the roses guys; the leadership of such a terrific organization is 100% in the hands of the guys on top. A failure of the alliance will trace back, in some way shape and form, to a failure in you. Unfortunately, Real Life is one that cannot be avoided and takes priority over all else. In my humble opinion, BoB should stay out of this. Its not your issue until CYVOK or his friends make the effort to reclaim what was lost. To you CYVOK, I cut you some slack. An alliance is your baby. It means a lot to you. It means literally thousands of man hours of effort. Its akin to being incapable of tending to your decade old garden because of extenuating circumstances in a bitter and harsh winter. CYVOK was unable to provide the garden the attention it needed and the Garden died. But the ground can be tilled and new seeds can be sewn. If CYVOK can find the time, Ascendant Frontier can be reborn. If you can build an Empire once in this game, it is quite possible to build one again. If CYVOK has the time to make EVE his full-time effort, things can, and I expect will, become very interesting in a few months. In the mean time, fly safe, and cut each other some slack. After all, it is a game that is meant to be enjoyed ---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|--- This isn't the signature you're looking for.
Xordus Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:10:00 - [97] ASCN's accomplishments are many. In the end they fell to the ****'s of EVE. It's a sad thing...
Haks'he Lirky Durgar og Illmenni	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:10:00 - [98] Originally by: CYVOK The last 2 years of my Air Force duty were VERY taxing. And... Originally by: CYVOK The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. I know that most people that play EVE tend to take their real life experiences and superimpose them onto the way that they play EVE. With your background I would think that you would understand that the best way to operate is to move on your enemy when he doesnt stand a chance with methods that ensure success as well as exploiting the weakness of your enemy when they present them selves. Perhaps your work has left you jaded and you want to escape reality inside EVE where you create a sense of combat Honor that doesnt exist in the real world and I guess thats fine, just funny that you expect the rest of EVE to confirm to your gaming reality. Besides, I dont think ASCN would have left a BOB Titan alone in similar circumstances, in fact I seriously doubt it and that makes me look at your comments like some schoolyard chest beating, you think your more honoroable than BOB and since thats the only thing that you can realisticly, in your reality, claim to have more of you seem to beat it into your comments like nothing else matters.
Dufas Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:12:00 - [99] boohoo cry me a river...your so full of your ego it impossible to keep in one head " We were the first alliance to try and corporate with our smaller neighbors instead of just crush them" then brag you defeated tribal souls in 3 days...you sir are a hipocrite and I've been waiting ever since the TS v ASCN war for u to get your arse handed to u and be crying about it while your in empire...well today is that day HA! some ppl get exactly what they deserve..and you sir have gotten it GO BoB GO ! ! __________
Hell's Gate	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:15:00 - [100] /respect Hope to see you ingame. Kick back, relax, and enjoy the forums (lag-free EVE)

Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:18:00 - [101] cyvok I'm abit upset with your post. I'm a current enemy of BoB (yarr!) so noone can say I am biased towards them, should be the other way around. To the point. I was in BoB for a long 6 months, probably the best alliance months of my eve life. Why? Because BoB dedicate themselfs to the bigger picture. You say they sit 16 hours a day, that's just bull****. I never sat up that long, maybe 4-5 hours on fridays or so but your taking it too far there. The reason why BoB don't stop and "leave" is because ever single BoB pilot knows that their fellow corp and alliance mates will never stop fighting. They will never stop getting new ships. They will never stop helping out the alliance. Most people like those in ASCN were like "omg I don't wanna fight nomore, I could loose alot of isk". In BoB if you loose a ship you immediatly go get a new one, if you can't afford one lend one and the modules (I did this a few times). You cannot say they did anything wrong, they want to blow stuff up. It's a apart of the game, if you can't deal with it leave. I can tell you there are people that are "worse" than BoB (this is from your point of view now CYVOK, that ppl "steep so low"). Yes maybe joining BoB is on easy mode. Do you know why? Because all of their pilots are experienced and know what they are doing and most importantly: won't GIVE UP until they are forced too. EVE are full of chickens, pity ASCN had to have alot of them(if they didn't why did they give up?)? About your titan loss, that made me angry how you could say BoB has no honor. You logged out with tthe AGGRESSOR timer, how dumb can you be, that was a reaaaal dumbass job. You also say you couldn't defend yourself, who in gods name would like to sit and shoot at your while you blow off your doomsday weapon. Your thinking like; if they don't let me blow them up they are all a bunch of losers that have no honor. I mean etf, yes they could of drained your cap so you couldn't fire it but still logging out with an aggro timer... I'm disapointed CYVOK, you turned ASCN from muscle into fatover the years. When you left Xetic you said things would be diffrent (I'm talking from carebear willing to fight point of view). You failed a SECOND time. If you were to start up another alliance, I would not fly under it if you were leader. Pity you had to leave for RL, things might be diffrent yes. But they aren't. In the end of the day, it's just a game. Your post is insulting and you should be ashamed. It's just a game... Pwnage PvP Recruitment
Rslorien Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:19:00 - [102] Edited by: Rslorien on 31/01/2007 08:16:04 i really dont understand the point of you posting this... are you back as former ASCN CEO ?? if not why did you spend time getting all this on the forum, all eve know what you thing.. bob used exploits, hacs we even shutdown you computer to kill the titan. ASCN screw up in the war, you lost, CEO post we surrender. Do you need to come with a lot of lies again to the forum? Like someone in your ex alliance told one day: "Screeny or STFU" have fun in eve its just a game, you lost this war get rdy for the next one win the next one and stop crying.
Colje Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:33:00 - [103] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You proved his point, go hide under a rock Nira.
Gradinger Todmacher	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:40:00 - [104] Originally by: Luna Liandri that ... Originally by: CYVOK ... They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. ... and that ... Originally by: CYVOK 600 ASCN ships camped that system for 9 days while 40 BoB dreads destroyed the ship yards. ASCN undisputedly held that system for 9 days, NO ONE could do a thing about it. ... made me laugh, hypocrisis ftw ... ET is just right, all that talk about respect, honour and such stuff is BS everyone and his dog uses to boast at times and whine at others ... anyway, gl to your future. hehe.. that did catch my attention too - cyvok, you gotta admit something¦s wrong with that logic ;) and about you saying the ole all bob members joined to play on easy-mode - you¦ve created a huge alliance were alts just join to do some ratting and all thought they are save just cuz of the amount of ppl - some would say its easy mode. anyways - you¦ve earned your respect for building up the mentioned 0.0 infrastructure - but not for any of your illusional pvp-victories. (and btw - im not a fan of bob - maybe cuz i prefer the underdog - maybe cuz i wanna do my own stuff) now gl with whateva you do.
sorilin Amarr Who CareZ	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:45:00 - [105] Edited by: sorilin on 31/01/2007 08:43:47 Regardless of how i like cyvok or not, i wish him GL. so should all of u. as some said its just a game, and then u flame ?? LOL... just say gl and stop.. so ummm GL -CYVOK- ps: ye u took tribal. dosent matter much. we will get it back some day. mwuahahahaha I am the borg!
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:46:00 - [106] CYVOK is stealing our supplies of Serpentis drugs!!! OMGGHAXXOR No but seriously, u cyvok say BoB hates pvp and loves gankage, I'm sorry but I fail to see your point here. Isn't gankage sort of a pvp? You outnumber your opponent in order to acieve your goals at minimum loses. Isn't that what ASCN used to do as well? Try answering this honestly, how many times have you rolled out your 150+ man fleet against BoBs 80-ish fleet? Seriously I'd like you to answer this to me. I'm not saying BoB hasn't done the same, OMG how many times did we outnumber our NMEs and still got a fight (kudos goes to everyone that ever puts up a fight agains us), but that is just the way of how Fleet combat works at this point of time. As for the titan loss... Noone to blame but yourself m8, ASCN, D2 Ragoon... EVERYONE would take a chance like that if they had it, mark my words EVERYONE including you. And you're talking about honor!? What is honor, please define to me your point of view on honor? If you consider even number fleet fightsas only honorable way to fight than very few in eve are honorable, including former ASCN. If you consider smacking in local, taunting on eve-o forums as less honorable than yet again, very few are honorable. What is honor to you in a online game? Being true to your corp/alliance members? If so is the case than alot of ppl indeed are honorable, including most of the former ASCN. But for you to come here and accuse BoB to have no honor and no skill or whatever is just load of crap. Take a look around man, EvE is evolving and it is up to you if you choose to adapt or not. If you adapt you will have bigger chance of ahcieving you goals, thats the way it works. Deep down you know i'm right, so does everyone else its just that for some ppl its much harder to admit that someone else was right and you were wrong, i myself tend to be stubborn sometimes. Don't take me wrong i recognize what you tried to accomplish and i respect that and i'm most definatley not trying to flame or degrade you in any manner. Despite what you think, if you and me were ever to meet in RL i wouldn't try to slit your throat or anything, screw that, i'd buy u a beer, sat down and talked to u, maybe teased u a bit about loosing Steve and generally talked about EvE. As for other "BoB haters" who are all about i'll fight BoB untill my final breath.. GREAT you do that, as a matter of fact, get more of your friends to do so as well it would give both sides a challange. What we all need is a Group Shower. Swedish Gimpsquad is your firend! _______________________________________
jernej Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:47:00 - [107] Edited by: jernej on 31/01/2007 08:44:41 Originally by: Colje Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You proved his point, go hide under a rock Nira. Not all BoBits are like Nira. I wish Cyvok all the best, and want to give him this Link. I think he will appreciate it. -- Plz sign my thread
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:51:00 - [108] Look Ma', another BoB thread!
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:02:00 - [109] Havent changed a bit uself huh CYVOK all u can is post excuses. this aint saving u face.
Grimma Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:09:00 - [110] grats for w(h)ining the thread with most crap in it. dude go recycle your char and find yourself another game ascn maybe do something in eve but there are lots of things you are claiming and you wasnt even close.

Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:12:00 - [111] Originally by: Grimma dude go recycle your char and find yourself another game Dude... seriously... uncalled for... leave RL at the login screen
Laboratus Gallente BGG	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:14:00 - [112] Very good post Cyvok. Best of luck in the future. With respect, we come. You built something of marvel. To honor, the lost. Ignore the smack. Bringing down something is always easier than building it. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:26:00 - [113] Originally by: Kuolematon This only proves that human nature is more keen to destroy than build. Pretty much sums up whole ideology and motive behind 90% of EVE-Online community. I'm part of alliance that wants to destroy rather than build .. fine most people are cool with that but if I have alt that does more building game than destroying - I get accused of being carebear and whatnot. Until people realise this basic stuff, there will be events like this. It's just way too much hassle to build than to destroy. BoB conquers and crushes but they won't repair or build up those wrecks they left behind. They will instead setup vassal program and leave work to others. I think there has been only 2 alliances in EVE that I truly respect: FA and ASCN. They tried building but both got crushed by warmongers known as a B(l)oB. Let the flames begin, BOBBY! Now you just make yourself look dumb. During the ascn war, are you trying to say that WE blobbed ? Or we are blobbing up north atm ? People like you make me laugh, they hear something on the intraweb so it must be true
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:27:00 - [114] I dunno, every time I hear someone lose a fight, and then come back to try and convince people that it "was lag", or "they cheated", or "I was AFK". I get this looming feelin that they are just trying to blame anything or everyone except themselves for failing. You speak of honour, how about SOMEWHERE in your post saying; "Good fight guys! See you in space!"? The closest you get is: "I can't blame them", well WOW! War never changes, and BOB won, far too easily from where I stand. If you feel they cheated, send a petition. ^^ [OMG! SMASH!]
WiZZyWiGG Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:29:00 - [115] Was going to quite happily say goodbye and good luck, however after the rubbish about how BoB don't like to PvP and only fight when the odds are in our favour I changed my mind. I guess if you had spent more time online during the war you would of noticed the numerous times we had to jump into fleets twice our size because ASCN were always too scared to jump in. Im sorry to say that with leadership like this you can see why ASCN fell as hard as it did. ___________
Kriger Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:44:00 - [116] As always alot of low blow responses from B00Bs.. ignore them like u would any CS kiddy.. nice work CYVOK, respect. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:44:00 - [117] "Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor." Hate PVP ? Dude I love pvp, have you seen how many kills I have got ? If I hated pvp, why would I take EVERY opportunity to kill ppl who are red on my overview whenever possible.... Even if we got less people we will still "have a go" cos its fun and we "Enjoy" the challenge that PVP combat brings.... 0.0 is not meant to be a safe haven far, from it, you know it, I know it, you lost, you lost hard....GET OVER IT... Also this honor you speak of, it was a WAR <- We are there to destroy you, not pat you on the back and say "oops he seems to have logged, lets wait until he logs in again...." <-- I hardly think so, and you yourself would have sold your soul to do the same to us I'm quite sure, had you gotten the opportunity, but it was your own damn fault, you KNEW what the aggro timer was about, yet you say "lame and no honor" <-- I lol'ed..... As nira li so eloquently put it, "hurts doesnt it". I would have liked to have wished you well, but insulting me and my alliance EVEN NOW, calling us cheats and god knows what else, I would rather say instead, Good riddance.... -
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:46:00 - [118] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin War never changes, and BOB won, far too easily from where I stand. If you feel they cheated, send a petition. ^^ We did. The GM deleted it and is now unemployed afaik but the petition was not resolved still ;) Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:46:00 - [119] Originally by: Kriger As always alot of low blow responses from B00Bs.. ignore them like u would any CS kiddy.. nice work CYVOK, respect. Read his post again, read between the lines this time and see what its really saying Bitter till the end much? -
Why'dyou HitMe Minmatar The Reckoning	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:47:00 - [120] Originally by: Meleira Luan Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 31/01/2007 05:52:55 While criticism is allowed, we ask that you be respectful to other players of the game. This post is also flamebait and has such been removed. -Karl Woho! Karl Chroimcer for President! Finally a forum moderator that dares smack BoB on the head for their constant forum trolling, whining and flaimbaiting. Even SirMolle got the stick, I love it! /signed

Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:48:00 - [121] Originally by: vipeer Originally by: Tobias Sjodin War never changes, and BOB won, far too easily from where I stand. If you feel they cheated, send a petition. ^^ We did. The GM deleted it and is now unemployed afaik but the petition was not resolved still ;) lol, you're so sad
Ordo Abchao Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:51:00 - [122] Originally by: DinoC Does anyone else notice that this thread is gettin way too stupid/childish to be allowed to carry on? Any mods out there? Honestly, the post should have been edited down to cyvok, and ascn only points. All the points about the titan, bob, and the war are just flamebait and frankly completely untrue (except for killing cyvok while he was offline of course). Order out of Chaos
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:53:00 - [123] Originally by: Why'dyou HitMe Originally by: Meleira Luan Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 31/01/2007 05:52:55 While criticism is allowed, we ask that you be respectful to other players of the game. This post is also flamebait and has such been removed. -Karl Woho! Karl Chroimcer for President! Finally a forum moderator that dares smack BoB on the head for their constant forum trolling, whining and flaimbaiting. Even SirMolle got the stick, I love it! /signed Tripled signed . To CYVOK man life doenst end here make ascn again but now only recruit PVPers and try to claim feyth back :). Until then HF .
Scarlet Pimpernel Clan Eshin	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:55:00 - [124] Originally by: Svett Edited by: Svett on 31/01/2007 08:40:32 OH!! I get it, you're one of the (ex)ascn guys that has an ISD account. Got it! Am I the only one seeing the irony of that statement..... (or do you need to be reminded about the 'posting-of-cyvoks-leaving-post-by-BOBTV' incident)
Relifan Ratatil Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:56:00 - [125] thx cyvok for the morning start, now i have a smile over my mouth to my ears and 2. you NEVER saved my ass in RL (remember it)
Ben Sterlinger Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:02:00 - [126] Originally by: Death Merchant 2)You believed that most of ASCN cared about it just as much as you did. Could be some truth in that, however many of ASCN members actually did. They Mined all weekends, they build all day, they hunted rats, and they helped each other. Originally by: Death Merchant I believe ASCN failed because: 3)You believed BoB would never truly try and destroy you. We did believe. We actually got several warnings from CYVOK/HC telling us to stock up and prepare. He actually told us that BOBs goal, (and that he told us from day 1!) were to destroy, cheat, use greyzone game mechanics, and stuff. And they did. But one also have to admit that BOB is good at PVP. I admit that. having your ship shoot while sitting inside a POS thats... thats ... cheating to me. And it does not prove your PVP abilitys. ASCN was a blast. I truly appriciate that CLS still lives, otherwise i would have left EVE. "Honor and Server" still goes for me. Looking forward to next fight. Agent Runners Department
Heintron Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:03:00 - [127] Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 31/01/2007 05:52:55 While criticism is allowed, we ask that you be respectful to other players of the game. This post is also flamebait and has such been removed. -Karl Do not discuss moderation - email [email protected] - thanks hutch This actually says it all about BOB as far as I'm concerned
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:05:00 - [128] Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel Originally by: Svett Edited by: Svett on 31/01/2007 08:40:32 OH!! I get it, you're one of the (ex)ascn guys that has an ISD account. Got it! Am I the only one seeing the irony of that statement..... (or do you need to be reminded about the 'posting-of-cyvoks-leaving-post-by-BOBTV' incident) I've heard of BOB Radio but whats this BOB-TV you speak of ? Please do elaborate, I need a chuckle -
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:09:00 - [129] Originally by: Heintron Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 31/01/2007 05:52:55 While criticism is allowed, we ask that you be respectful to other players of the game. This post is also flamebait and has such been removed. -Karl Do not discuss moderation - email [email protected] - thanks hutch This actually says it all about BOB as far as I'm concerned Says what about us ? That EVEN BOB get moderated and wrist slapped and told off just like every other eve player ? If so, then yes im inclined to agree....We give as good as we get (Only we do it better) -
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:09:00 - [130] The Hypocricem of the Former ASCN members still is insane.. Get down of u BOB cheated chair. Claiming a GM remmoved u Pettion and got sacked Come on how low can u guys get.. never thought ppl could be this retarded and yes its all of u who claim this and that?? if all u guys where talking the truth CCP would have ti fire 90% of there staff becasue they clearly all i BOB and use there GM/DEV power for us to win ******* hell get over it u suck theres not more to it

Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:12:00 - [131] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/01/2007 10:11:37 I am most disappointed by your post CYVOK. If you were to obey the princibles of "sportsmanship", you would have said "Well done, the better man won" etc. However, you have resorted to attempts at insulting bob. "Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move" When I was in ASCN, on the front line as usual, It was ASCN that would outnumber BoB on the majority of occasions. And before you say "turncoat", myself and many others were there till the last. We did not hate BoB, they had their orders and we had ours. We said we would fight to the last noobship and thats what we did. You, on the other hand, said one thing and did another. When you lost a Titan, thats when you should have stood up and take charge. You, on the other hand, said you were quitting eve and off to run missions. Now I find that, like jumping on a bus, you are running the show again. I understand your fustrations. It takes months to build up a statue, and one a minute with a hammer to smash it down. However that statue was going to topple over anyway had BoB not used the hammer. The blaitent lies and other stuff in the blogs is what killed ASCN more than any BoB fleet could. But lets sum it up quickly. Everone makes mistakes - If you dont make mistakes, you learn nothing. Insted of saying that its all someone elses fault, can you tell me what you have learned from your mistakes? --
Dr Smythe Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:18:00 - [132] Originally by: CYVOK A great many individuals but a lot of work into Steve including myself, but a Titan is just a ship and can be replaced, bottom line. The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? If this is true and not just flamebait then this another reason why ASCN failed so miserably as did Xetic. You failed to see that the FAT CATS got fatter and the rest of the alliance followed them blindly to their doom. While the FATCATS got their fat wallets out of Feythabolis. Originally by: CYVOK Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. Please explain to me this quote above as I don't understand it. Does it mean that BoB plan so tactically well, that when they engage they have the advantage 80% of the time? If so doesn't that prove that they are not gankers and are EXCELLENT tactical planners. Originally by: CYVOK The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Can you tell me any war that has taken place in the past 5000 years which has not seen 1 side take advantage of something that has been presented to them on a plate by the oposing side? You see Cyvok I once thought you a great leader who achieved so much in this game. But you left us when we needed leadership the most. You left us when you KNEW that the people in place would and could not lead us. Yes ASCN achieved alot but I don't put it down to you, I put it down to people like me who grafted and worked our asses off. You had the vision and we were your tools. It's a pity you just descarded your tools on the plot after you finished using us. ----------------------------------- Help Dr Smythe get a Corvus

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:24:00 - [133] Deleted alot of off topic posting, can i remind you that discussion of moderation actions or that of a GM is not allowed on the eve-o forums and is off topic in this section anyway. I know this is a heated thread but can i remind you that personal insults, and open flaming is not allowed. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long

Ku'Gras Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:29:00 - [134] Originally by: Kriger As always alot of low blow responses from B00Bs.. ignore them like u would any CS kiddy.. nice work CYVOK, respect. And no low blow at all from the OP himself? No derogatory statements, accusations or flaming being done from his side? You should have re-read what he wrote before replying.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:29:00 - [135] I wish you good luck on your faction nightmate. I think CLS were nice to give you a good birthday present. I wonder if you will also be buying them a birthday present with your 12 Digit Wallet? It appears that you made that post on the same day. --
Meleira Luan Tiger Trading	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:30:00 - [136] Originally by: Lord WarATron I am most disappointed by your post CYVOK. If you were to obey the princibles of "sportsmanship", you would have said "Well done, the better man won" etc. However, you have resorted to attempts at insulting bob. In a way it is sad to watch some BoB's longing for respect and being liked by the community. I'm not saying they all want that, but some sure do. In reality nobody likes BoB. Even those who say they do (like Xelas) would stab you in the back and leave you to bleed if they could. Nobody likes you. Nobody ever will. This whole thread is the proof as to why. I'm sure you can't see it yourself but if you act like a dishonest bully that nobody can trust and only fear in a game you can't expect to be loved. And maybe you don't want to be loved, respected, admired or liked - only feared well good for you then becuse that's what you are: hated by all, feared by some and despised by most. You won Eve? You lost it mates, and someday you will understand it.
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:32:00 - [137] Gl cyvok, hopefully you will rebuild one day and have the opportunity to learn from your mistakes and get some revenge
Cipher7 Net 7	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:34:00 - [138] Originally by: Rak'Kabal Kain The people who put in the most time should by every right be at the top of the food chain plain and simple. Might makes right. So Eve is ruled by slackers and people on welfare right?
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:37:00 - [139] Whatever you choose to do I wish you the very best in RL or ingame. With respect CEO Plan Neun "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:38:00 - [140] If only we could run an ENN poll of ex ASCN members. Why did ASCN fail to keep their regions: 1. BoB 2. ASCN ---

Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:45:00 - [141] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/01/2007 10:41:52 Originally by: Meleira Luan Originally by: Lord WarATron I am most disappointed by your post CYVOK. If you were to obey the princibles of "sportsmanship", you would have said "Well done, the better man won" etc. However, you have resorted to attempts at insulting bob. In a way it is sad to watch some BoB's longing for respect and being liked by the community. I'm not saying they all want that, but some sure do. You have quoted a post out of contex that was removed. If you read in contex, the point being made was that insted of blaming bob for world hunger, try to work out what when wrong. If you dont make mistakes you dont learn anything. Exactly what lessons have been learned? I guess the only lesson that appears to be learned is that if you have a 12 Digit Wallet, then somehow that means what you say is automatically correct --
PeveS The Edge Foundation	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:49:00 - [142] Respect and good luck to you CYVOK. I do not agree with all you said but i still repect you for building up ASCN. Impressive and many players liked it. This post gives however a nice impression of most BoB players. None of them gave any respect on your official post. DB Preacher said: "its a game...its a game". But why does every BoB member flame? At least a bit of respect should be in place. Even if they are disagree with CYVOKS post some respect should be in place. It seems for BoB, EVE is not a game anymore but a living. But does BoB understand they are killing the game both ingame and on forums? Funny thing is that more and more proof is there that BoB has CCP employees as members. It actual means that they are killing their own job. If BoB players had balls, they joine some weaker alliance or corp and fight them. Again, respect and good luck to you CYVOK. This post is on disbanding a great alliance and i hope to see you flying around in that nightmare some time!
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:52:00 - [143] ASCN vs BOB was a clash of 2 different playstyles. ASCN had a dream of creating an empire with a good market where people actually live. BOB lives for PVP. They pew pew, install some random pet/slave corp so the newly conquered space isn't empty, and move on for some more pew pew. It's as if you'd set up a fight between some random fat dude and Mike Tyson. Sure, the fat dude's heavy and tall, but eventually, Mike will bring him down. Why? Because the fat dude normally lives a relaxed life with Twinkies infront of the TV instead of sparring 23/7. Two different lifestyles! I was actually looking forward to this war at the beginning. But a few things just made me wanna puke: #1: The forum smack. It got out of hand pretty quickly. I know propaganda is part of the game, but posting stuff from private boards on EVE-O is lame. Same goes for what's happening to BoB now with the Kung (complicated name, starts with a "K") dude. How does it feel to see private information made openly available? BoB might state that it's not the same, however, in the end YOU started lowering the bar, and it was just a matter of time till someone took the next step. You ridiculed every single allegation against you, and now, suddenly, some of the things like Dev involvement come up...interesting. Both parties should have concentrated on fighting in game more than on the forums. #2: Unfair tactics. Remember when some of us got shot within POS shields, and BoB screamed their usual "Proof or STFU" when people complained about that? Well, turns out you could infact target stuff inside POS shields!! All it required was passive targeters as has been proven by another alliance that got caught doing it. Ofc BoB never used those and didn't know about the bug It's all about winning, no matter what! #3: The personal attacks! Guys, it's a game. I know there's a certain roleplay element, so if Hardin calles some random UK guy a "pig dog", that's fine (not that I have any preference regarding UK or CVA). But some of the comments made were bellow the belt There's more, but I really stopped caring. All in all I have the feeling that there's some people in this game that take it WAAAAAAAAYYYYY to seriously. If you have to resort to personal attacks and extensive smack on a game forum, I think it's a reflection of your RL (to a certain extent). Anyway, c ya all in space...pew pew 'n all! _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp.
Ami Nizuo	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:53:00 - [144] Edited by: Ami Nizuo on 31/01/2007 10:50:22 alt post ftl :S
MellaRinn Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:55:00 - [145] all the best to you CYVOK. GG ASCN. EDIT: above is my alt, :S Click
Reifahal Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:55:00 - [146] Jesus christ cyvok wake up - it's a game. And yes many peeps plays this game many hours and uses a lot of resources on it. But it's still a ******* game. Play by the rules and enjoy it. Else go play your lvl 3 char on wow.
Meleira Luan Tiger Trading	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:57:00 - [147] Originally by: PeveS Edited by: PeveS on 31/01/2007 10:47:49 Respect and good luck to you CYVOK. I do not agree with all you said but i still repect you for building up ASCN. Impressive and many players liked it. This post gives however a nice impression of most BoB players. None of them gave any respect on your official post. DB Preacher said: "its a game...its a game". But why does every BoB member flame? At least a bit of respect should be in place. Even if they are disagree with CYVOKS post some respect should be in place. It seems for BoB, EVE is not a game anymore but a living. But does BoB understand they are killing the game both ingame and on forums? Funny thing is that more and more proof is there that BoB has CCP employees as members. It actual means that they are killing their own job. If BoB players had balls, they join some weaker alliance or corp and fight them. Again, respect and good luck to you CYVOK. This post is on disbanding a great alliance and i hope to see you flying around in that nightmare some time! This was by far the best post in this thread so far, I'll get out of it now - feels like all has been said. The best thing you said that i think should be stated again is: If BoB players had balls, they join some weaker alliance or corp and fight them.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:59:00 - [148] bah mods FTL. ill say it in short this time. ASCN or Former get down from u BOB cheated stick and get over it.. it all comes donw to one thing. U alliance was crap plain simple.
konkord eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:10:00 - [149] You know what i find funny? The fact that every BoB post in here, stating the truth or lies, spinning yarns, ripping into CYVOK and ASCN and some of the facts posted by CYVOK - ALL OF THEM, they're just edging the public to hate you that little bit more. Your PR spin is starting to work against you. BoB's rule of terror and might is great, hell its good im impressed and always have been when you've whooped our asses bad. But all this 'no place for honour' standpoint will be your undoing, seriously. All of you who think that your cool and funny for slating someone who posts on here from his viewpoint, well thats fine carry on.... Infact I encourage it! You had being likened to script kiddies, haxx0rs, basement dwelling eejits - yet you continue to act like them on these forums, day in, day out. Its side splitting to be honest, looking through these forums and reading all the BoB posts (and when i say all i mean 99% bcos some of you out there have respect and its worth alot) because BoB as a whole, ie the face of BoB is that of a crazy steroid pumped school bully, who is indeed the hardest kid in school, and likes demoralising and emotional beasting his 'lesser mates'. Im sure you like being the hardest kid in school, or the wildest kid. I remember being at school and setting fire to someones hedge in a village. I thought I was cool, but now when I drive past stuff like that i just feel bad. Feel bad for the guy with the hedge who has to build it back up, sad for how crap it looks, and feel sorry for the people who own it. It wasnt big, it wasn't clever, and this little story is so much like BoB's style of play its unfunny. Pick on the biggest thing you can see then destroy it for a good laugh, thats fine! its your style of play!!! But it will be your undoing, promise! (cross my heart and everything). Now all in all its a game and you can play it how you like - and you will, and i have no doubt that whatever i say will be forgotten in double quick time (and probably not read), but your efforts to be bad ass, the 'rebel forum posts' and general lack of respect is turning popular opinion and views against you. And it continues with your posts to this thread, which was made from a has been CEO, of a crushed alliance you destroyed. The one time a man is saying goodbye to an alliance and your there with another cup of salt to through in the wounds. Whats the point!? Good luck in the future BoBBits. All you've managed is to split 2200 players into alot of smaller components that have joined other corps and alliances. And these posts continue to stoke the hate they have for you. So now ASCN members covers 20 alliances instead of just one. And none of them like you. Look forward to the post being ripped shredding torn and spun for your use :o) Goodluck in the future CVYVOK, goodluck to you as well, BoBbins. ---------------------- Nubtard
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:11:00 - [150] Cyvok does that mean bob is allowed to keep fountain ? To the point: Cyvok you always demanded respect just because of the size Ascn /Xetic had. That never changed. Sadly size isnt power a lesson you never learned. Ascn failed on so many levels and you were quick to blame every single point on someone else. The sad truth is every alliance folds or grows through its leadership. In short, you failed the alliance and in the end many "what ifs" are open for wild speculations but in the end you should have manned up and swalloed you pride. After reading your initial post im glad that you finally stopped beeing in power. If it hadnt been done already your alliance should have burned just on the basis of this single post of yours. However were done with that now since ure hunting npcs in empire which dont require huge forum posts. Get over with it and let it die already.

Won Swunglow Dead By Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:12:00 - [151] Good post from a good leader!!! As for SOME of the rest of the posts in this thread!!! WTF are you people on!!! ****ing, Backstabing, Whining, snip* waving, and the down right abusive nature of some of the replies made me feel ashamed of this comunity... Is this game now just about winning at any cost, is it about being as abusive and nasty as possible, ingame and on the forums, to make sure your enemy fails? if it is then i'll get my hat... Because if i'm called a nOOb or an empire hugging carebear, or weak just because i like to help people, and be honest and trust worthy, then EVE has gone to the dogs!!! Good luck CYVOK, you made mistakes, and you made an Alliance that will be remembered for many things. I for one would be glad to be in another Alliance with you as its leader. Regards. Please do not try to bypass the profanity filter. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:15:00 - [152] Edited by: ALPHA12125 on 31/01/2007 11:12:04 Originally by: CYVOK There is nothing wrong with being respect to others. You can still kill them, but after doing so let them know what they did wrong and give them advice on how to move ahead in the game. Keep the in the game, because eventually all you jerks out there are going to chase everyone else out of the game and work will get around that the Eve player base sucks. Then we wont have any new players coming in. Fact is that griefers donÆt like to play games with other griefers because its to much of a challenge, then the game dies. everyone is entitled to have his own vision. but dont force rl ethical standards on eve. I know alot of people play games like they would do in rl, others play this game to exactly be someone else, may it be a powermonger, a pirate or maybe a griefer. Also u fail to see that the majority of bob members, especially avon springs to my mind here, are in other parts of the forums perfectly nice to new players and their questions. Just because someone is an arse in CAOD doesnt mean he like that everywhere. Especially the RL analogies like bob play 16h a day show that you really need to get some distance to a computer game. I dont like cyvok the character but does that mean i dont like person behind it ? No it does not. Until people realize this this whole discussion about respect and soforth is kind of moot. edit spelling
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:21:00 - [153] Originally by: Meleira Luan Originally by: PeveS Edited by: PeveS on 31/01/2007 10:47:49 Respect and good luck to you CYVOK. I do not agree with all you said but i still repect you for building up ASCN. Impressive and many players liked it. This post gives however a nice impression of most BoB players. None of them gave any respect on your official post. DB Preacher said: "its a game...its a game". But why does every BoB member flame? At least a bit of respect should be in place. Even if they are disagree with CYVOKS post some respect should be in place. It seems for BoB, EVE is not a game anymore but a living. But does BoB understand they are killing the game both ingame and on forums? Funny thing is that more and more proof is there that BoB has CCP employees as members. It actual means that they are killing their own job. If BoB players had balls, they join some weaker alliance or corp and fight them. Again, respect and good luck to you CYVOK. This post is on disbanding a great alliance and i hope to see you flying around in that nightmare some time! This was by far the best post in this thread so far, I'll get out of it now - feels like all has been said. The best thing you said that i think should be stated again is: If BoB players had balls, they join some weaker alliance or corp and fight them. How completely dumb that is. Work hard to make your corp/ allaince strong and be productive member of team, Conquer space and populate it and fuel tower's etc. Befiend all in corp, helping new guy's and having great fun with friends who share a vision with you. Or turn on them and fight against them. How utterly dumb and retarded. Someone's bio said it all, i would rather fight beside 10 lion's than a 1000 sheep. You forum jockey's up in the peanut gallery like to think you know it all but you haven't got a clue tbfh.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:25:00 - [154] Can we get some elaboration about "the other 2 Titans that were built" please ? Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:27:00 - [155] Originally by: Ashen Brarn If only we could run an ENN poll of ex ASCN members. Why did ASCN fail to keep their regions: 1. BoB 2. ASCN 2. ASCN Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
olyyy Gallente V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:28:00 - [156] Originally by: CYVOK I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. honor? Please... ("how dare you?" if you prefer) If you forget about Dice which is full of nublars such as cmdr sp0ck and Masieee and their french forum fighting team (which managed in a joint effort with TCF to more or less make a forum board disappear, they see what i'm talking about ;p), you can find some very honorable opponents in BoB. Men never lie more than before elections, during war and after hunting.
Danny Hawk Black Lance	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:30:00 - [157] Edited by: Danny Hawk on 31/01/2007 11:28:35 never flown with ya, always against ya cyvokk, good luck in what u do now. to bob guys i kinda understand why the hostility is in here but really not much need for the flaming, although the post asked for it really. just let this one die ps dude dice aint full of nubblars most are ex five,look up what five did during their time. and tholarim is one of the great fc's of this game
Rak'Kabal Kain Minmatar Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:31:00 - [158] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Rak'Kabal Kain The people who put in the most time should by every right be at the top of the food chain plain and simple. Might makes right. So Eve is ruled by slackers and people on welfare right? There was a quote in here along the lines of "leave RL at the login screen" but some people fail. When the war started we all knew what the out come would be, the ones with the will to fight at the end will be the winners, ASCN lack the mind set to keep on fighting as they are not a PvP allaince.
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:32:00 - [159] I share many of the views about bob's forum warrior behavior but your post was a bit over the top Cyvok, you can tell youÆre rather bitter about it. I do agree that bob must have some of the worst intel if they found ASCN to be the strongest alliance. Truth be told they chose the alliance that had separated itself from just about everyone, considerring ASCN had just been your ally. Not a big deal I guess, you should just be honest about it. I would like to know how you came to this decision perhaps I missed it. The Titan... it was a fair kill, all of us would do the same to someone who's logged off but the way u bob guys went on about like it was a huge accomplishment to scan down one of the largest sigs in the game. Sad realy. ah well, GL Cyvok, GL bob... p.s. please have more xelas post... cheerleaders are hot
Taliac Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:32:00 - [160] Originally by: Reifahal Jesus christ cyvok wake up - it's a game. And yes many peeps plays this game many hours and uses a lot of resources on it. But it's still a ******* game. Play by the rules and enjoy it. Else go play your lvl 3 char on wow. snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Conuion Meow([email protected]) I do feel a bit sorry for them. Reminds me a bit of the goons and the privateeers.

Tarantella Serpantine Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:45:00 - [161] ASCN could have been great, if it wasn't for the people in it. gl in whatever you choose to do from here on Cyvok. regardless of whether you and your management team didn't deal with the war particularly well, constructing both the first outpost and titan are things that ascn did which will go down in eve history. -- Love is the Law, Love under Will
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:48:00 - [162] Originally by: Tarantella Serpantine ASCN could have been great, if it wasn't for the people in it. gl in whatever you choose to do from here on Cyvok. regardless of whether you and your management team didn't deal with the war particularly well, constructing both the first outpost and titan are things that ascn did which will go down in eve history. And losing the first Titan (Sorry this post warranted it) -
Tarantella Serpantine Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:50:00 - [163] Originally by: Dracorimus Originally by: Tarantella Serpantine ASCN could have been great, if it wasn't for the people in it. gl in whatever you choose to do from here on Cyvok. regardless of whether you and your management team didn't deal with the war particularly well, constructing both the first outpost and titan are things that ascn did which will go down in eve history. And losing the first Titan (Sorry this post warranted it) hehe, thats true. any history is good history tho imo :P -- Love is the Law, Love under Will
Quaren Gallente Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:51:00 - [164] The idiotic and disrespectful remarks from BOB in this thread(and most threads) says it all imo. GL in the future CYVOK.
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:53:00 - [165] Edited by: Naqq on 31/01/2007 11:56:53 Edited by: Naqq on 31/01/2007 11:55:44 Originally by: Kingdoc Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it What a complete ass to say that. It shows a petty mindset, absolutely no class and worst of all a lack of respect. You are a disgrace to your corp and alliance. One of the reasons I play eve is for the mature and (mostly) respectful atmosphere. You, and players like you taint the air. The day players like you outnumber real people like me I will be canceling my account with CCP. Sadly, it seems the faster BoB grows the quicker that day arrives. Agreed, tho I find comfort in believing that Nira Li is trying to make up for failing elsewhere.. I'll make it short: "grow up kid". My deepest respect to CYVOK for what he built, and respect to all the other ASCN who fought to the end. As for those who gave up and left or figured apathy was the way forward.. You'll go down in history as the biggest cowards in EVE history so far, congratulations.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:56:00 - [166] Edited by: fire 59 on 31/01/2007 11:54:57 Originally by: Quaren The idiotic and disrespectful remarks from BOB in this thread(and most threads) says it all imo. GL in the future CYVOK. Of course, if you were in a fairly long war with an enmey which lied about you all the time, was disrespectful themselves and then put a departing post on forum's with even more snipe's about you, you would just ignore it wouldn't you. If you were in the war, maybe you could understand that there was alot of passion involved, which had sod all to do with you so if you weren't involved, who the hell are you to judge if you didn't see or know what was happening, hmmm ? @ Naqq, see above comment about those involved and passion. Ascn talked alot of smack about us and we gave it back. By your own theory then, you calling nira li a kid, you must be making up for your own deficiency of being a 12 yr old?
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:02:00 - [167] Originally by: Meleira Luan In a way it is sad to watch some BoB's longing for respect and being liked by the community. I'm not saying they all want that, but some sure do. In reality nobody likes BoB. Nobody likes you. Nobody ever will. This whole thread is the proof as to why. I'm sure you can't see it yourself but if you act like a dishonest bully that nobody can trust and only fear in a game you can't expect to be loved. And maybe you don't want to be loved, respected, admired or liked - only feared well good for you then becuse that's what you are: hated by all, feared by some and despised by most. You won Eve? You lost it mates, and someday you will understand it. You know what they say: "Loved by some, hated by many feared by all." What makes you think any BoB member needs your RESPECT or anyone elses for that matter? What is respect, please explain that to me because i think you're confusing respect with being polite. There is a differance you know. Originally by: R'adeh It's as if you'd set up a fight between some random fat dude and Mike Tyson. Sure, the fat dude's heavy and tall, but eventually, Mike will bring him down. Why? Because the fat dude normally lives a relaxed life with Twinkies infront of the TV instead of sparring 23/7. I was actually looking forward to this war at the beginning. But a few things just made me wanna puke: #1: The forum smack. It got out of hand pretty quickly. I know propaganda is part of the game, but posting stuff from private boards on EVE-O is lame. Same goes for what's happening to BoB now with the Kung (complicated name, starts with a "K") dude. How does it feel to see private information made openly available? BoB might state that it's not the same, however, in the end YOU started lowering the bar, and it was just a matter of time till someone took the next step. #2: Unfair tactics. Remember when some of us got shot within POS shields, and BoB screamed their usual "Proof or STFU" when people complained about that? Well, turns out you could infact target stuff inside POS shields!! All it required was passive targeters as has been proven by another alliance that got caught doing it. Ofc BoB never used those and didn't know about the bug It's all about winning, no matter what! So you're comparing ASCN to "some random fat dude"? Just because YOU enjoy plaing "some random fat dude" style doesn't mean everyone else does. The beauty of EvE is that you can do whatever you like and be whatever you like, if that means you want to be "some random fat dude " than its you full right to do so but it doesn't give you the right to pass judgement on those who choose a different path. And what is so wrong in striving to be the best? Should we all settle for being average, i think alot of ppl will disagree on that one. Forum smack IS and laways WILL be part of this game, to me forum smacking is just having some fun before actuall fight in game, but that is just my opinoion, some ppl tend to take what is being said on forums far seriously than the game itself. And why is it so discusting to spy on NME forums? I personally had an alt in ASCN and i was GIVEN the access to their forums, i did not hack or use any illegal or questioning methods, i was simply given the access. Gathering all intelligence possible about your opponent is part of the war, its just the way it is. And you speak of "unfair tactics". Wasn't it CYVOK himself that announced openly on eve-o forums that ASCN would do anything in its power to defeat BoB, including copying BMs in their cargo? I'm not saying BoB are perfect, we don't win every battle, we do smack, we do insult and disrespect ppl on occasion and we do come across as arrogant.Considering our success i think we're entitled to that. But can you honestly say to me that you have never been any of thoose things? Group Shower for everyone Swedish Gimpsquad is your friend. _______________________________________
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:03:00 - [168] Originally by: fire 59 Edited by: fire 59 on 31/01/2007 11:54:57 Originally by: Quaren The idiotic and disrespectful remarks from BOB in this thread(and most threads) says it all imo. GL in the future CYVOK. Of course, if you were in a fairly long war with an enmey which lied about you all the time, was disrespectful themselves and then put a departing post on forum's with even more snipe's about you, you would just ignore it wouldn't you. If you were in the war, maybe you could understand that there was alot of passion involved, which had sod all to do with you so if you weren't involved, who the hell are you to judge if you didn't see or know what was happening, hmmm ? @ Naqq, see above comment about those involved and passion. Ascn talked alot of smack about us and we gave it back. By your own theory then, you calling nira li a kid, you must be making up for your own deficiency of being a 12 yr old? Yes I'm 12
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:04:00 - [169] Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN get defeated? The bottom line is very simple, BoB had more fighters that understood how to fight in the worst game mechanics I have seen since EvE was in Beta!! [...] Why did ASCN give up the fight? Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple. [...] Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. -CYVOK- Right enough with the bollox. 1. ASCN got stomped because you deliberately choose to avoid any war so we could be ready for Kali, even at the cost of losing more and more pvpers (by your own admirssion) and the result was a player base that hasnt had a single fleet fight in the last 6 months. 2. When choosing who should have filled your power vacuum when you were busy in RL you choose the two people with the biggest egoes in ascn: McCreedy and Drakma, resulting in long painfull hours just trying to deal with command. 3. For month the few pvpers of ascn have been asking to use our wealth (the 3x 10/10 plexes, the large set of t2 bpos, the refinery taxes) to make the alliance more attractive for other pvpers to join. At no point there was a program to get cheaper stuff to pvpers than to random dudes of the alliance except for the very end when Prometheus (respect to the man) apparently started cashing out of his own pockets to provide cheap t2 ships. 4. The CEOs. In the end, with no big wars for so many months keeping the corps stuck together, it was clear the CEOs were not ready to trust and work with each other - and that is what really put the last nail in the coffin in the war because all of a sudden there was 10 people in gang defending paragon soul, even when the regular pvpers where online. And when you asked those pvpers why they wer roaming on their own instead of joining the defence gangs you'd be told they were sick of the general noobishness of the mixed ascn gangs and that they wud be more efficient in their corp only gangs roaming around. CYVOK: I think you are one of the best leaders of eve, but you made a few mistakes and should accept them imho. Nira Li: LOL you tool your own smack bite you back in the arse - Gob
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:05:00 - [170] Edited by: Gibmundur on 31/01/2007 12:01:33 Why did bob cross the street? ... cause they had 2 to 1 odds! The truth will set you free!

H3ndrix Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:07:00 - [171] Edited by: H3ndrix on 31/01/2007 12:05:53 Edited by: H3ndrix on 31/01/2007 12:05:07 [quote origianlly by cyvok]-We defeated Tribal Souls in 3 days 3 days try just under 2 weeks, and b4 i finish what was it u said to us ? let me remind you "if you cant defend your space you deserved to lose it, if you could defend it you'd still be there" well reap it cyvok ASCN lost there space because they couldnt defend it, after all if you had defended it you would still be in feyth
Crucifier BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:12:00 - [172] snip Be nice. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) ------
Lyer THE BLUE FLAG	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:12:00 - [173] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it Hmmm, now where did that Quake Kiddie reputation come from again? Originally by: bulabuba -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Nira Li -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hurts doesn't it -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great post. We keep getting " its just a game, deal with it!!" thrown around time after time by BoB, What they dont get is its how you play the game that counts. You might be so caught up in your narrow win win win world that you cant see this, History will show that whilst being sucessful in the short term, your reputation and acheivements will mean nothing due to the manner in which you carried them out.
iceyreloaded Amarr ShaK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:13:00 - [174] Hi CYVOK, nice to hear your side of the story. Gl to you in the future, in and out of game mate. o7
Lungorthin Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:13:00 - [175] This sounds to me as a very serious case of very sour grapes to me. I respectfully suggest you take your defeat with dignity.
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:13:00 - [176] I respected ASCN as what it was - an attempt to create a 0.0 empire on a basis of relatively low level access, massive memberbase, strong industry and an alliance-wide market & supply created by the industry. They worked their way towards creating a 'brand' of a static cornerstone alliance which had a lot of fixed infrastructure, which they hoped, would serve as some kind of backbone for the alliance. This failed because you can't lay the basis of an alliance on 'stuff you built and own'. As the fighting went on, every victory we achieved on the battlefield either served as a testament to the fact - or revealed more of the truth - that the basic fundamentals of ASCN were flawed. Simply put we just applied the pressure, and ASCN crumbled in front of us. No healthy alliance which has it's basis built right goes down like that. Some people here cry out that ASCN was aiming to construct, create and serve as an ultimate example of player-created content for the good of all players - a pinnacle of positive morale superiority equipped with a shining armor of righteousness, if you will. And we, evil, e-peen waving arrogant CS kiddies with malicious intents wanted to destroy that because we were jealous and not capable of constructing anything on our own... Give me a goddamn break. ASCN was an attempt to create an empire. It ended up being nothing more than a normal regional alliance which based itself on powerplay, egos, personal gain, greed and most notably 'stuff'. When the proper fighting started, the completely ridiculous accusations of cheating, outright lies and demonizing got totally out of hand - and by the looks of it, now we can add bitterness into the equation too, since the bullsht campaign obviously still hasn't stopped. In closing, We don't cheat, hack or play 16 hours per day. We simply just play better on the field which is critical to success as a 0.0 entity. Our biggest resource isn't the SP amount, the fleets we field, the POS networks we have or the tech 2 industry we run. Our biggest resource are the players themselves - the people behind the characters, their knowhow, friendship and dedication to the cause. When* they play, they play to the max - and they play to win. All the stuff our guys have achieved, conquered, created, built and constructed come as a result of this. In my opinion, trying to find fundamental reasons to the downfall of ASCN from anywhere else is an effort in vain. People > Stuff BoB > ASCN Anyways, good luck in your future CYVOK. Please let the hate go. ------------------- -
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:16:00 - [177] Cyvok, I wish you the best that you get your rl sorted and you can come back to the game. But your post is a worse disaster than all the BoB flames which it has started. You had built something that you cared about and have now seen it die, that does hurt game or no game. You have and always will take the recognition for building the giant that ASCN was for as long as Eve lasts. But you have not been true to yourself or your comrades. The clearest statement is than in 6 months you could not find someone in your alliance to take over your duties. That statement alone is your biggest failure. Thus it was clear that ASCN was dying and BoB took clear and distinct military advantage of that. In any battle it is the always to the leader that the troops rally. You failed to rally your troops. If you did not care about losing "Steve" as there were 2 titans completing before Xmas (less than 2 weeks after your titan loss) why did you not tell your alliance this to keep up their fighting spirits. Remember SirMolle sat in a POS for 7 hours with your corpse because as a trophy it rallies the fighting spirit of his troops. He didn't want to lose it. His troops fought on to victory. You cry about honour and use of game mechanics... please give specific details.... talk also about your lack of understanding of game mechanics... You criticise and boast about blobs in the same rant.... I hope SirMolle will repost to this thread... The loser (Cyvok) was not dignified in this epic defeat. TBH I think SirMolle has been magnanomous in victory with his postings (until today ). For all the BoB haters... BoB fought, BoB won by superior tactics, training and logistics. SirMolle has stated that they planned and prepared for a year long conflict. The victors always get the spoils. You want to beat BoB then plan, train and prepare as they do. And they will thank you for it. Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Viashivan Amarr The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:19:00 - [178] Respect to ASCN and Cyvok for what they have built in 0.0. It is and was always easier to destroy something opposed to built or create something. Building something requires not only creativity but also an amount of love(as strange as is sounds I truly believe that). To destroy something is always easier as it requiers just consequence, dedication and force. Undoubtly are BoB the most consequent and deticated force in EvE when it comes down to PvP. I think of them as a titan walking from conflict to conflict to best the best alliances in Eve, leaving behind him a path of pillage and destuction. This is not meant as a disrespect towards BoB but I think it is a diffierent and valid style of playing the game. But so is ASCN's and Cyvok's style of playing the game and I think that should be respected as well. Via
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:29:00 - [179] Originally by: Lag Fest lots of stuff...don't wanna stretch boards I didn't say the reason ASCN was the fat dude and BoB the ebil shark should have stopped you from attacking ASCN. All I said was that the outcome of the war is not really a surprise because of those 2 ways to play a game. Everyone's entitled to their playstyle, and some are better suited for certain situations than others...nothign wrong with that. I agree that hacking a board is worse than just normal spying. However, there's always someone going one step further than the other. You started one of the smackiest (hell, you even admit it was smack) forum campaigns ever, posts (from both sides) were filled with hate. Posting of "private", alliance internal information on the scale you did it has never really been done as much before. Sure, there's been spies, everyone uses spies. But going public with all this info wasn't the coolest move ever. Not because it's not a particularly mean move, no, because some dude will go a step further. And the next dude will go another step further... Right now we have ppl hacking boards, using DOS attacks, comparing IP addresses...and why do you think all this started? It's a frickin' game for f*** sake! It's not RL, we aren't North/South Korea, the US, China, or the UK...we are a bunch of people playing a game. About the whole cheating thing, I never CTRL+Q'ed, EVER. I never used a single exploit or cheat in this game. I can't speak for a whole alliance, but I have never whitnessed anyone flying in my gang cheat. You can probably say the same thing. However, that doesn't mean it hasn't happened in Bob/ASCN. I personally only whitnessed only 1 exploit during the whole course of the war. And that was when my Myrmidon got shot while being inside the POS shields. I never left that POS shield when it happened (was cooking dinner and not actively participating in the gang when it happened), and I got locked by several snipers. Take it as you want, but after hearing some alliance got busted using a passive targeter exploit to do exactly that, I am pretty convince that's what happened. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying ALL of BoB are cheaters, or that none of the ASCN dudes cheated, but exploits WERE used during this war. _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:35:00 - [180] Edited by: fire 59 on 31/01/2007 12:35:30 Originally by: Gibmundur Edited by: Gibmundur on 31/01/2007 12:01:33 Why did bob cross the street? ... cause they had 2 to 1 odds! Coz we outnumbered ascn 2-1 ? Me points to afterschool math's class

Raneru eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:40:00 - [181] good write up CYVOK. ASCN was a great alliance to be in during its peak. I especially liked the section on ascn's markets and community. I personally found empire a strange alien place to go to after spending months in alliance space without the need to visit empire. Don't worry, the spirit of ASCN lives on in its most dedicated corps. Are you famous? Check Here!
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:45:00 - [182] After reading through 9 pages which have lots of drivel and BOB hating and fanboisim I will add my 2 cents coz this really has gone too far. In any sport or game that is played a display of taunting or victory is always present since the whole event is usually based on win or lose and maybe a tie but in our case tie is very rare. For example first person shooter games include a taunt graphic presentation like a flip off or a dance or what ever the game developers decide, in sports you have victory parades or the usual ôIn your face danceö. All of this is allowed and is accepted by both playing entities coz who ever wins has every right to display it. I read what Cyvok posted and there is not a mention of his mistakes or ASCN mistakes, its always BOB this and BOB that and had it have been any other entity he would have said the same thing since this is not the first time he fails his alliance by deploying the same strategy that is just NOT GONNA WORK in 0.0. An interesting fact about this EX alliance leader is that he claims we are honor less to kill his ship while he was logged off with agro which is allowed by game mechanics to punish cowards!! I am willing to bet that there is not a single entity, corp or alliance in EVE who gets the same chance as we did to have an alliance leader logging off with agro with 150 billion of isk worth of alliance resources and not to mention the huge morale boost and killer to their side and the other side would have DONE EXACTLY the same thing! In EVE you can either taunt your opponent in local or on forums and as long as it kept in game there is no problems with it but when some sore losers take it to the extent to insult others with RL insults and I mean RL insults coz calling a person a noob isnÆt coz the term doesnÆt exist in RL commentary. We as an alliance have proved it several times that we play to PVP and we are dedicated to our game play and we JUST LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS so neither Cyvok or any other entity has any right what so ever to tell us how to play just so that we can please them! If Cyvok wanted to make a farewell post and his intent was a good one he wouldnÆt have posted all this crap about us and at least he would have admitted his OWN fault according to several of his own alliance members who are now either in BOB or in other alliances. This just shows what this post is really all about which is flame bait and trolling coz of a sore person who couldnÆt accept defeat in a sportsmanship fashion or team spirit in other words a loser! He has insulted people in both RL and in game and also insulted the DEVS and GMS due to the accusation of us cheating and since CCP allows us to cheat and hax then GMs and DEVS have no integrity what so ever coz they allow us to get away with it and that we are some what above the EULA which is total slander. TBH if this happens in any RL sport or news paper a person like Cyvok would have been lynched by the public until he never posts again. As a summary of why we won, our leadership is better than yours and they never abandoned us. Our members are good players and they know what they doing we had a good game plan and we used it and we won so take your insults and bitterness else where. "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Skyren Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:45:00 - [183] I respect BoB as a very powerful alliance but that doesn't mean i'll never go to war with them if thats whats asked of me. I respected what ASCN does and if you post something like this on the forums expect to be flamed. Congratulations for BoB for taking down the titan. Yes it would have been better to have a giant, node ending battle over it but it wasn't so we just have to hope the next one is.
Pyrotesea Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:46:00 - [184] Originally by: CYVOK The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. and is there anyone in eve that would not try and blow up a titan that was sitting in space with aggro timer? if the answer is no, then your lieing to yourself and that is just sad. --------------------------------- What doesn't kill you makes you injured.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:50:00 - [185] Somehow, this thread makes me sad. On another hand, it also illustrates perfectly well one of the reaosns why I still play this game and have this weird love/hate relationship with it. Eve invokes emotions wih a greater impact then other MMO's. This has to do with your freedom to dream and build your dreams as well as with the possibility to lose it all in no time at all. So yes Cyvok, respect for dreaming, and giving leadership to the group of people that chose to build your common dream. Just like SirMolle, Blacklight and the others within BoB are leading us in creating our common vision. However, any respect earnt there was lost the moment you started losing it all and couldn't handle it. You took it all personally, fired the excuse-o-thron up to bursting pressure and ended up whining, screaming and begrudging everyone his toys like a small child. So, wanna try again ? You'd be welcome to, because other then what seems to be a good part fo the vocal altbase in these forums we might be taking this game seriously enough to want to excell at it, but we at least understand that it's a game. If ever there was sportmanship in Eve that I saw, then it has been in BoB. That might sound strange, but while playing this game in the way we choose to we also adhere closely to standards we choose for ourselves. And throwing toys out of the pram whining about CCP employees, cheatings and h4xors is not in my book of good sportsmanship Cyvok. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:50:00 - [186] Buhu CRYVOK, haven't you quit yet? much kudos to the ASCN members that fought everyday, hook and nail; they bought more to ASCN than you ever did. For you, no kudos. You whinged, smeared, cried foul, hax, cheats, sploits, lag. Good riddence. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:51:00 - [187] Is this the First SelfNecro ever?
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:54:00 - [188] Originally by: CYVOK So ask yourselves this. The Above is a matter of record, if ASCN defeated all those organizations and BoB is the ONLY organization to ever defeat ASCN… What does that say about what BoB is going to do to the rest of you? Oh noes, we are DOOMED! /me is deleting all his account and characters, BYE WORLD! - BH
Everbane Underworld Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:56:00 - [189] In nearly every online game you will come across another BoB, theyÆre nothing special just a group of motor-mouth sheep that gang together and smash the place up in easy mode. They wallow in theyÆre own self-righteous ôskillsö and bad mouth everyone else. Eventually their egos implode or the game dies and their ôfameö is long forgotten. Love them or hate them the leaders of Xetic / ASCN and some others were inspired to create something quite different in an online game with the available tools. For that they will always be remembered. With hind sight this model is doomed to failure. The masses just want to trash everything you worked for whilst playing Quake in space with bills and kill boards in wimp mode.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:01:00 - [190] Originally by: Fedaykinn Tbh BoB sure you won the war but ASCN succeeded in something BoB never has or will. A thriving peacefull 0.0 sector of space. BoB never will succeed in this because all they care about is conquering and flaming. They conquer space and do nothing with that space once it is conquered. They just let it rot Been in Period Basis or Delve recently ? Pretty damn peacefull and thriving there tbh. You seem to lack knowledge about thsi subject tbh, go ask someone that knows a bit. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist

sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:02:00 - [191] not that i'm BoB's biggest fan, as their currently hanging around my home like a bad smell, but i still think you cant complain about the fact that their members are active or use this to take a dig at their RL. theres no way of us knowing what the majority of eve players are like in RL, because this is just a game, and therefore can't be used to form an acurate impression of that person in RL...maybe Gandhi's reincarnation is in BoB ------------
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:04:00 - [192] ASCN achieved and accomplished greatness. Whatever came after, that's an achievement I don't think any would deny. In no small part that's due to Cyvok's efforts, but ... well keeping together an alliance that size really is a hell of a job. Well done guys, and all the best. I'm sure whatever you turn to, be it in EVE or otherwise, will prosper.
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:12:00 - [193] Originally by: Ephemeron I respect BoB as pvpers, I know they are one of the best pvp oriented alliances. But damn, they got so many self righteous *****s, stroking their egoes, makes me want to puke I will always fight on opposite side of BoB, for a chance to wipe those smirks off their faces Amen.
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:15:00 - [194] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Fedaykinn Tbh BoB sure you won the war but ASCN succeeded in something BoB never has or will. A thriving peacefull 0.0 sector of space. BoB never will succeed in this because all they care about is conquering and flaming. They conquer space and do nothing with that space once it is conquered. They just let it rot Been in Period Basis or Delve recently ? Pretty damn peacefull and thriving there tbh. You seem to lack knowledge about thsi subject tbh, go ask someone that knows a bit. I think hes prolly camped in, somewhere in fountain by BoB forces now we are back home (sorta).... Let him simmer a bit :P -
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:30:00 - [195] Since i was in ASCN for a very long time here's my take on why it failed: The alliance never had any real wars. The good FC's wandered over to BOB or somewhere else a long time before this conflict started. Slowly but steady ASCN got more and more unattractive to the PVPer and soaked up more and more carebears that didn't care about the alliance. These guys showed up in tech 1 frigates to fights so they couldn't loose much. The Tribal souls takeover was impressive to some but it was just running over a few poor sobs with a huge blob. You don't need skill to do that especially when the few you attack aren't the greatest PVP pilots seither (with exceptions of course). This whole thing went on and on for ages wich lead to a situation where flying under Crohnx was the only way to get a decent fight. Sure there was other FC's but they just suicided fleets in to BOB for a giggle. Being a FC in ASCN must've been horrible though so blaming them is not the right thing to do. Peeps simply did not listen. Bad TS discipline, people going afk in space during ops - the list is long. If an FC gives an order to allign to a gate and only a couple ships actually follow that order that gang is doomed. My decicion to leave came after 4 days in a row of constant sitting at a POS. Since throwing BS into the enemy didn't work the new orders were to sit there and wait it out at the POS. In the meantime HC gave out more and more orders that made no sense. Whole corps were sent to delve. Sounds good you may think. Delve was devastated because every bob member was in ASCN space. Sending your force to Delve to avoid BOB - not the best tactical decicion. The fact that the only FC i ever saw crush BOB fleets effectively within ASCN is in BOB now shows why BOB is so strong. They constantly fight more or less worthy enemies and assimilate the best if they are willing. The guys are happy since there is allways something to do/shoot. My conlcusion is that ASCN made a lot things wrong but it was an extremely well organized Alliance earlier on when CYVOk was about more often and he deserves our respect for that. Too many greedy carebears inside the alliance had a strong part in it's downfall. Prometheus should be named for being extremely dedicated and generous. He did his best to make the PVPers happy and the amount of time invested must've been insane. To all those aliances out there that did sit there and watch how ASCN gets obliterated while saying "we can take BOB on alone". I've fought many of you and so far i haven't met an entity where i could say it has even a slight chance. Time for a reality check guys. Good luck in eve CYVOK. Congrats to BOB for winning. A shame you need to smack so much. IMO your actions speak for themselves. No need to let everyone know in every 2nd post.
Saleia AFK Mining	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:35:00 - [196] I still smell a sore loser. If ASCN had worked together as a whole. They may have been able to last a little bit longer. And still sobbing about losing your Titan to game mechanics still makes me laugh. These mechanics are put into place on purpose. Drrr... btw CYVOK, ANY great leader will be on the front lines. not hiding behind alts within your own alliance.
Twoside Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:51:00 - [197] Blackrain, stop making sensible posts, you're wrecking your image! Seriously, Cyvok, imho just take the credits you've earned and been given by those you should care about and let ASCN die with dignity. Better to remember the good things out of it, then be bitter by the flames of it's demise.
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:08:00 - [198] Even in a disbanding/goodbye post you cannot stop the stream of bull**** that comes from your mouth? Im ashamed to say I was once a part of an alliance with you in charge CYVOK. Good riddance. ----- [RKK] Foxor : targets are lewt, just not yet in can form
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:09:00 - [199] To the OP. Sure ASCN did some great things but it was fundamentally flawed on several levels. It's right for you to mention the positive things in a final outgoing post and it's right that both those achievements and your part in them be recognised. You did some great things in building infrastructure in 0.0 on a scale that was groundbreaking at the time. However, not admitting that there were fundamental errors made by yourself and your appointed deputies at the same time devalues the whole purpose of your post. Hell, all you had to say was "in retrospect we did x, y and z wrong, BoB used those weaknesses against us, good game to them for doing so, next time I'll do things a little differently". There's enough ASCN both in this thread and in others that have freely admitted what went wrong, why and who had the greater part in being the cause of those mistakes. There's no need to go into detail about them but command structure, individuals put into positions beyond their abilities, recruitment standards, lack of PvP focus, inability to retain quality players all spring to mind and yet are not acknowledged. Why not, rather than just accuse your opponents of a miriad of personal and frankly untrue faults, acknowledge some of your own? I know it's difficult to accept you made mistakes and so you fall back on the same old nonsense that was spouted all throughout the war with us. To be honest it's all way too personal from the inclusion of what was going on in RL for you at the time (which any of us with any sense of perspective or empathy would sympathise with you about but has no place here) to the following paragraph which beyond all others indicates that you've a long way to go in coming to terms with what happened and take it all way too seriously.. Quote: As for me, I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. If the players in BoB want to define their existence by how ôgreatö they are in EvE, that is their decision. But it does not make them better people them myself or those that built ASCN, that decision is made in RL, not in a game. As for the peanut gallery throwing stones at BoB and being self righteously indignant because a lot of the BoB guys are flaming the OP, why are you really surprised and are you all such saints that you can turn the other cheek? Read the post again and to put it into the context of all the accusations made against BoB during the war everything from the sad state of our RL lifestyles to accusations of cheating and worse. There is no wonder some of the guys feel aggrieved enough to flame and not just turn the other cheek. Returning to the OP, it's a great shame that the you missed an opportunity to give a final word and regain some dignity by showing you'd recovered some perspective. I sincerely hope that you learn to enjoy Eve again and some day get your head around what really happened and why, rather than spending the rest of your gaming career feeling bitter about it. I sincerely hope that I get to bump into you at another fanfest so I can buy you a beer and have a chat, I think it would be enlightening to both of us and I know I'd be very happy to do it. In all seriousness good luck, best wishes and bury the hatchet for goodness sake. Blog
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:13:00 - [200] Xetic died Cyvok....you never learned from History, and ASCN died. I hope you lerned the lessons this time, if you ever wanna create something again. You lost fair and square. I once had a sig...it deleted

Galimiy Portret R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:24:00 - [201] No matter what Cyvok's failures or mistakes were, I completely detest how BoB is acting, it's simply unbearable to see their hypocrisy. I also detest the witch hunt which was mounted at Cyvok, it's just simply disgusting. BoB might put a lot of work into EVE, but you are also dirty players by a wide margin. ...now in RED
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:36:00 - [202] Dude, if u want to make peace, make it with you and with your friends/corpmates/allies and not with your enemies by inciting them to further aggression. U'll never get understanding from them. It seems u did some great things once, but now u just lost. Get passed it.
GBoS Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:38:00 - [203] really nice post, but the sourness towards BoB ruined it.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:49:00 - [204] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Shamis Orzoz You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis In order to avoid flames, you have to stop posting crap. ??? If you can't see how sad, bitter and insulting cyvok's post is you probably have the same things wrong with you as cyvok himself. I thought he was saying "you" as in "me" not CYVOK. And to be honest, I never read CYVOK's post. I skimmed it. It looks like the usual stuff. I'm sure some of it is false, and he clearly seems to be deceiving himself here and there, but I can understand the state of mind he's probably in. That's why I said, its time to just let it go, he did accomplish a lot, and there really is no reason to try to justify their downfall now, especially with the agony of defeat clouding his perception. Shamis
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:50:00 - [205] Even after reality has sunk in, you're still delusional. You had a good run and accomplished a great deal, but boasting about things that just didn't happen only detracts from your true achievements. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:52:00 - [206] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Shamis Orzoz You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis In order to avoid flames, you have to stop posting crap. ??? If you can't see how sad, bitter and insulting cyvok's post is you probably have the same things wrong with you as cyvok himself. I thought he was saying "you" as in "me" not CYVOK. And to be honest, I never read CYVOK's post. I skimmed it. It looks like the usual stuff. I'm sure some of it is false, and he clearly seems to be deceiving himself here and there, but I can understand the state of mind he's probably in. That's why I said, its time to just let it go, he did accomplish a lot, and there really is no reason to try to justify their downfall now, especially with the agony of defeat clouding his perception. Shamis You're right. :)
MECHcore Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:57:00 - [207] BoB loves gankage indeed instead of a fight with even numbers , back in fountain they used a titan and 2 motherships vs our small corp , that shows how much balls they got
Gralgathor Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:00:00 - [208] Originally by: Ephemeron I respect BoB as pvpers, I know they are one of the best pvp oriented alliances. But damn, they got so many self righteous *****s, stroking their egoes, makes me want to puke I will always fight on opposite side of BoB, for a chance to wipe those smirks off their faces QFT. -------
Electric Cucumber Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:05:00 - [209] Edited by: Electric Cucumber on 31/01/2007 15:04:02 Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it pathetic... Originally by: Rod Blaine Been in Period Basis or Delve recently ? Pretty damn peacefull and thriving there tbh. dead regions
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:08:00 - [210] Originally by: MECHcore BoB loves gankage indeed instead of a fight with even numbers , back in fountain they used a titan and 2 motherships vs our small corp , that shows how much balls they got awwww drop your pacifier? Let me get you a tissue. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.

Luna Liandri PPN United	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:10:00 - [211] Originally by: Blacklight ... As for the peanut gallery throwing stones at BoB and being self righteously indignant because a lot of the BoB guys are flaming the OP, why are you really surprised and are you all such saints that you can turn the other cheek? Read the post again and to put it into the context of all the accusations made against BoB during the war everything from the sad state of our RL lifestyles to accusations of cheating and worse. There is no wonder some of the guys feel aggrieved enough to flame and not just turn the other cheek. ... all in all a nice post you made here BL, and i think most people can agree with most of it. if you would only have - or execute - a better grip on your more immature alliance-mates nobody sane would have to criticise your alliance. but it smells to much of good-cop/bad-cop ...
Kala Veijo Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:12:00 - [212] So ASCN is now offically disbanded. Shame. Warp Wind, CSM Chapter blog.
Angeles Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:15:00 - [213] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: MECHcore BoB loves gankage indeed instead of a fight with even numbers , back in fountain they used a titan and 2 motherships vs our small corp , that shows how much balls they got awwww drop your pacifier? Let me get you a tissue. can you post your dread loss on your killboard please
Fedaykinn Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:15:00 - [214] Edited by: Fedaykinn on 31/01/2007 15:14:08 Originally by: Dracorimus Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Fedaykinn Tbh BoB sure you won the war but ASCN succeeded in something BoB never has or will. A thriving peacefull 0.0 sector of space. BoB never will succeed in this because all they care about is conquering and flaming. They conquer space and do nothing with that space once it is conquered. They just let it rot Been in Period Basis or Delve recently ? Pretty damn peacefull and thriving there tbh. You seem to lack knowledge about thsi subject tbh, go ask someone that knows a bit. I think hes prolly camped in, somewhere in fountain by BoB forces now we are back home (sorta).... Let him simmer a bit :P Omg can you BoB's stop flamin? I said nothing after that post thus I did not say anythin to provoke another Flame statament from another BoB. You just cant seem to stop the flammage its ridiculous. This topic is about ASCN, stop going off topic with your flame tactics and thsoe regions are all dead
CelticKnight Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:28:00 - [215] Well my home just got torn down (after being captured) My life in eve got destroyed.. time to move on i suppose.. I will forever have happy memories of my life in feythabolis and hundreds of friends in Ascendant Frontier. RIP Ascendant Frontier. Well, im done. maybe one day i will return most likely not.. Blizzard has been cuttin me a nice fun time with many more friends.. Oh well. Goodbye my friends! CelticKnight Quotes: Originally by: Backdoor Bandit I just consulted my Magic 8-Ball, it told me to prepare for flamage.
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:39:00 - [216] I read the first two pages of this and got irritated. The replies by BoB members sum up BoB perfectly. That they're too immature to even acknowledge that ASCN were successful at, or at least had a damned good attempt at, being very influential, and very good players. When I heard that the Titan had gone down, I immediately went to watch the video. I lost all respect for BoB at this moment. Not only did they all sound so unenthused, as if they had been sitting around for days without moving, but they sounded like a group of 14 year old kids. BoB don't seem to be able to have ANY interaction with other players that doesn't involve smacktalk. Now that I've got that out of the way.. Good luck in the future CYV0K, you did your best, and did a damned good job of running ASCN, ignore all these BoB idiots who are in the thread to insult everyone in the game, you were right when you said that it's necessary for people to act decently, or we lose players. Hope you get on your feet again in game, and I hope all goes well for you in the Air Force. Dark Flare.
Lyer THE BLUE FLAG	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:41:00 - [217] Originally by: Angeles Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: MECHcore BoB loves gankage indeed instead of a fight with even numbers , back in fountain they used a titan and 2 motherships vs our small corp , that shows how much balls they got awwww drop your pacifier? Let me get you a tissue. can you post your dread loss on your killboard please I think it only shows Battleships to keep the ratio's up, oh you would have to wait a few days also so it doesnt spoil the kill ratio on the day, then again it will have been 'adjusted' so as to not show fittings..but seeing how all BoB losses get posted I'm sure it will get there in the end
Ivo D Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:43:00 - [218] rest in peace Member of the Sigzor ThieVzoRZ !!!!1oneeleven!one
Zephirz Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:45:00 - [219] ASCN Have my respect. A truly admired the empire you guys build and im truly sad that it is lost. Wish you guys the best and I hope that maybe someday you'll be able to take feyth back. zephirz
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:49:00 - [220] GLHF IRL Cyvok. That was a very blunt description. I never really knew that much about ASCN. Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw!

Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:49:00 - [221] Quote: Players join BoB because it is easier to become part of the #1 mob in EvE rather then try to build their own empire. ASCN tried to build its own instead of taking the easy path. I am very proud of what ASCN achieved, we built something amazing from nothing. BoB just destroys and assimilates. Just to add on, you got to give credit to the original BoB, they are awesome at this game. Everything else is true about them though. Anyone who joins BoB now that they are at the top is a mindless sheep. That's why I enjoy being allied against them. But at least BoB gives something everyone in Eve can hate, and that is a very important thing to have in a game like this.
Aero089 Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:50:00 - [222] I have all respect for you CYVOK, no matter what others say about you. It takes a lot of hard work to build an alliance up to the size ASCN had, not to mention the constant drag of politics, logistics, co÷rdination, and the dealing with critiscism from all over the universe. No matter what others say about you, just see through it. Nobody is perfect and people will always fall back on things you've done wrong in their perspective. Just stand above them and know yourself. I wish you all the best in whatever you decide to do, and I'm sure that you'll succeed in whatever you want to get done. Take care!
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:57:00 - [223] Originally by: CYVOK -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, culminating with the attack on the TRUST industrial complex in EC-P8R. LMAO xD You are either a direct liar or you are even believing your own stuff. Incredible... Thats why i never respected you as an alliance leader. And thats why ASCN died. --------------------------------
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:00:00 - [224] CYVOCK, I greatly admire your passion and I imagine it's not limited just to EVE. While sad to see your alliance fail and your ideals shattered, that is the essence of EVE. That's what makes EVE fun. If individuals could simply have 0.0 empires, than what's the difference between Feyth and Jita aside from a red or green dot? Your dream isn't dead, just your attempt at it. While that might sound harsh, you've given a vision to some but you've also given them something to fear. They'll have to work for their empire. They'll have to be on the top of their game. It will not come easy. This is true of life and it is true of EVE (thankfully). Empires are not forged by theology. They are forged in the sweat and tears of their executors. ___________
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:01:00 - [225] Edited by: Dracorimus on 31/01/2007 15:58:59 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: CYVOK -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, culminating with the attack on the TRUST industrial complex in EC-P8R. LMAO xD You are either a direct liar or you are even believing your own stuff. Incredible... Thats why i never respected you as an alliance leader. And thats why ASCN died. The louse hath spoken !!! I didnt see or hear much of you for a little while, had me worried there woody ! -
Galldar Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:04:00 - [226] Originally by: Electric Cucumber Edited by: Electric Cucumber on 31/01/2007 15:04:02 Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it pathetic... Originally by: Rod Blaine Been in Period Basis or Delve recently ? Pretty damn peacefull and thriving there tbh. dead regions /me looks aroung PB...deadMan I must get out more...
Zyta Eke Bombshell Cartel Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:04:00 - [227] You should be proud of what you created, CYVOK. Fly safe.
Sir Kad Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:06:00 - [228] Without all the misspellings, I have a hard time believing CYVOK wrote this post. I think MOS DEF said it all... /me Salutes ASCN
Geeknik eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:09:00 - [229] While I do not agree with everything CYVOK said, I have the utmost respect for what he accomplished with ASCN and look back with fond memories on my time in Feyth.
laotse shangdi	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:15:00 - [230] fly safe cyvok ascn was a blast it is a shame to see 80 % of eve that,s bob space is empty building a empire in 00 will never happen sad 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes

Mr Mozzie Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:21:00 - [231] Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 31/01/2007 16:18:48 Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 31/01/2007 16:17:51 Originally by: Meleira Luan Originally by: PeveS Edited by: PeveS on 31/01/2007 10:47:49 ... If BoB players had balls, they join some weaker alliance or corp and fight them. ... This was by far the best post in this thread so far, I'll get out of it now - feels like all has been said. The best thing you said that i think should be stated again is: If BoB players had balls, they join some weaker alliance or corp and fight them. That is plain wrong. It is like saying if Bill Gates were a good businessman he would dissolve Microsoft and start again with $5000 to prove that he was good enough. It is not incumbent upon BoB to come and play on the terms of others. Abandoning the things that made them successful would not only prove nothing, it would be pointless.
Ambre Blanche Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:24:00 - [232] Originally by: Kingdoc Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it What a complete ass to say that. It shows a petty mindset, absolutely no class and worst of all a lack of respect. You are a disgrace to your corp and alliance. One of the reasons I play eve is for the mature and (mostly) respectful atmosphere. You, and players like you taint the air. The day players like you outnumber real people like me I will be canceling my account with CCP. Sadly, it seems the faster BoB grows the quicker that day arrives. I totally agree with you Kindoc. However, I don't see what in EVE could make people believe this game should attract less retards than any of the others PvP games around? BoB players are the exact same nuisance you will find "en masse" on WoW PvP servers. You have to walk around them and ignore them, that's all ...
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:41:00 - [233] Did somebody lose a titan?
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:42:00 - [234] Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Just to remind everyone, criticizing what CYVOK wrote is not a problem, but open flaming is and will be removed. is there really much of a difference between saying " you suck" and "Your post sucks" ;p knowledge is power.... guard it well
The Anointed Caldari StarBug Industries	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:46:00 - [235] To twist the recruitment slogan of the Royal Marines "99.9% Need not Reply" Write that down. Before posting next time, think about it.
Meleira Luan Tiger Trading	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:49:00 - [236] Originally by: Mr Mozzie Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 31/01/2007 16:18:48 Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 31/01/2007 16:17:51 Originally by: Meleira Luan Originally by: PeveS Edited by: PeveS on 31/01/2007 10:47:49 ... If BoB players had balls, they join some weaker alliance or corp and fight them. ... This was by far the best post in this thread so far, I'll get out of it now - feels like all has been said. The best thing you said that i think should be stated again is: If BoB players had balls, they join some weaker alliance or corp and fight them. That is plain wrong. It is like saying if Bill Gates were a good businessman he would dissolve Microsoft and start again with $5000 to prove that he was good enough. It is not incumbent upon BoB to come and play on the terms of others. Abandoning the things that made them successful would not only prove nothing, it would be pointless. Well you forget the constant mantra here "It's a game". Bill Gates does not play monopoly so he doesnt have to start over to be challenged. And we are talking individual BoB players here, I wasn't suggesting the whole Alliance should declare war on themselves. I was saying that those players in BoB who beat their chests so strongly on the forum should raise to the challenge and go lead some minor alliance, help them build up their PvP division, fight the evil empire that is BoB against all odds and be challenged. I have met one such player ever, he left Black Nova Corp and fought against them to be challenged and because he wanted to be on the little guys side. He is one of the most honorable and nice persons I've met. And he left BoB. Go figure.
panman The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:51:00 - [237] Its been over for a while.. Lets let this be the last ASCN thread ever. Cause im bored of it. Good luck to the corps that stayed and fought.. You know who you were without me slinging mud. To corps that didnt. May your eve gameplay be full of losing ships to npcs -----------------------
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:54:00 - [238] Originally by: KSUDruid It's just a game man... It's just a game... say it a few more times in case you can't get it through your head. The sun will still come up tomorrow, you'll still have a job, and your life and health. It's just a game... QFT Don't be a great man just be a man
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:59:00 - [239] good to see that lying to yourself still seems to work cryvok ________ been there, done that, got the t-shirt speak english ? F5, F5, F5...
superboms	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:00:00 - [240] Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. Welcome to the real world

Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:02:00 - [241] Originally by: CYVOK -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, revisionist history? You're a freaking tool. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Oridonos Miles-Thanatou The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:05:00 - [242] good luck cyvok. good job man
Elad Dranoel Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:33:00 - [243] A little more condensed version would of sufficed... Originally by: CYVOK .. The fact still remains that ASCN killed more BoB then ANY one in EvE ever has and I am sure its going to remain that way for a LONG time. Except for the fighting done during the actual war; cause no one cares about beforehand. Originally by: CYVOK ASCN fought until the reason for fighting disappeared. Which could of been: money, confidence in one's leadership, organized fleet ops. Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN give up the fight? I love to blame everyone but myself. Originally by: CYVOK ...I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. I tried to ctrl+q and CCP denied my Titan loss petition. Again I blame everyone else by myself. Originally by: CYVOK Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. I'm **ed at bob because they showed no mercy to us helpless beings and all the other carebears in this online world. Originally by:** CYVOK ...More wine and cheese here... Intermission... Originally by: CYVOK The day the Community of EvE realizes that every player in the game deserves to be respected regardless of how good or bad they are is the day EvE will dominate the OLG market. Why can't this game be like the Sims, where we could all get along in peace and harmony? Originally by: CYVOK There is nothing wrong with being respect to others. You can still kill them, but after doing so let them know what they did wrong and give them advice on how to move ahead in the game. Stupid BoB!! You're were supposed to School us after you killed us, now how are we ever going to fight back if no one teaches us how to pvp?! Originally by: CYVOK As for me personally. I love EvE, I still think itÆs the greatest game .... Except for everyone in it who doesn't obey my omnipotent commands and ingenious war strategies; or who didn't donate isk for my titan.
Ulesi Red Light Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:38:00 - [244] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it What a pirck
Echo147 E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:50:00 - [245] Edited by: Echo147 on 31/01/2007 17:47:14 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: CYVOK -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, culminating with the attack on the TRUST industrial complex in EC-P8R. LMAO xD You are either a direct liar or you are even believing your own stuff. Incredible... Thats why i never respected you as an alliance leader. And thats why ASCN died. I LOLed too Tick tock, Shepherd Molle lost his flock
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:51:00 - [246] Originally by: CYVOK -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, And you are still wondering why you don't get any sympathy from the north? At least be honest for once and admit that without BoB ASCN would have fallen a lot earlier to GIRON forces.
DR L337 Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:53:00 - [247] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it zero class... show some respect, cause even though ASCN lost against you they put up a fight. you fail. -10 man points. ___________________________________ I ART IN THINE ABODE BANGING THINE MUM
Julius Arcanum	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:57:00 - [248] Originally by: Ulesi Edited by: Ulesi on 31/01/2007 17:36:04 Edited by: Ulesi on 31/01/2007 17:35:59 Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it What a ***** qft, no need for that. die in a fire.
Igorian Minmatar Privateers	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:04:00 - [249] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN get defeated? The bottom line is very simple, BoB had more fighters that understood how to fight in the worst game mechanics I have seen since EvE was in Beta!! [...] Why did ASCN give up the fight? Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple. [...] Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. -CYVOK- Right enough with the bollox. 1. ASCN got stomped because you deliberately choose to avoid any war so we could be ready for Kali, even at the cost of losing more and more pvpers (by your own admirssion) and the result was a player base that hasnt had a single fleet fight in the last 6 months. 2. When choosing who should have filled your power vacuum when you were busy in RL you choose the two people with the biggest egoes in ascn: McCreedy and Drakma, resulting in long painfull hours just trying to deal with command. 3. For month the few pvpers of ascn have been asking to use our wealth (the 3x 10/10 plexes, the large set of t2 bpos, the refinery taxes) to make the alliance more attractive for other pvpers to join. At no point there was a program to get cheaper stuff to pvpers than to random dudes of the alliance except for the very end when Prometheus (respect to the man) apparently started cashing out of his own pockets to provide cheap t2 ships. 4. The CEOs. In the end, with no big wars for so many months keeping the corps stuck together, it was clear the CEOs were not ready to trust and work with each other - and that is what really put the last nail in the coffin in the war because all of a sudden there was 10 people in gang defending paragon soul, even when the regular pvpers where online. And when you asked those pvpers why they wer roaming on their own instead of joining the defence gangs you'd be told they were sick of the general noobishness of the mixed ascn gangs and that they wud be more efficient in their corp only gangs roaming around. CYVOK: I think you are one of the best leaders of eve, but you made a few mistakes and should accept them imho. - Gob QFT Cyvok - You had a very good talent for building an industrial giant in 0.0 and you are admired for that by all...however, unfortunately you are sounding more and more like McCreedy...you gain no respect by blaming others and honour comes from being honest - with yourself and others. ASCN was doomed as soon as you gave it to McCreedy to run into the ground. I know you gave it to him because he was willing to put in the time, but unfortunately you didn't realize what a disasterous impact he would have as a leader (in management, military, morale and simply dealing civily with people)...and that is your fault...and ultimately your worst mistake. R. lighten up and have fun again...its a game remember!
Nitroviper The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:05:00 - [250] Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN get defeated? We fought the best we could under the circumstances for 3 months. NO other organization in EvE that BoB has attacked has lasted even 3 weeks. ASCN fought until the reason for fighting disappeared. -CYVOK- CYVOK WRONG! PA fought BoB for 10 months solid in the great northern war get the facts right. Todays alliance its true dont last more than a few months and you have fallen victim to the BoB machine GL

konkord eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:44:00 - [251] Originally by: Blacklight To the OP. Sure ASCN did some great things but it was fundamentally flawed on several levels. It's right for you to mention the positive things in a final outgoing post and it's right that both those achievements and your part in them be recognised. You did some great things in building infrastructure in 0.0 on a scale that was groundbreaking at the time. However, not admitting that there were fundamental errors made by yourself and your appointed deputies at the same time devalues the whole purpose of your post. Hell, all you had to say was "in retrospect we did x, y and z wrong, BoB used those weaknesses against us, good game to them for doing so, next time I'll do things a little differently". There's enough ASCN both in this thread and in others that have freely admitted what went wrong, why and who had the greater part in being the cause of those mistakes. There's no need to go into detail about them but command structure, individuals put into positions beyond their abilities, recruitment standards, lack of PvP focus, inability to retain quality players all spring to mind and yet are not acknowledged. Why not, rather than just accuse your opponents of a miriad of personal and frankly untrue faults, acknowledge some of your own? I know it's difficult to accept you made mistakes and so you fall back on the same old nonsense that was spouted all throughout the war with us. To be honest it's all way too personal from the inclusion of what was going on in RL for you at the time (which any of us with any sense of perspective or empathy would sympathise with you about but has no place here) to the following paragraph which beyond all others indicates that you've a long way to go in coming to terms with what happened and take it all way too seriously.. Quote: As for me, I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. If the players in BoB want to define their existence by how ôgreatö they are in EvE, that is their decision. But it does not make them better people them myself or those that built ASCN, that decision is made in RL, not in a game. As for the peanut gallery throwing stones at BoB and being self righteously indignant because a lot of the BoB guys are flaming the OP, why are you really surprised and are you all such saints that you can turn the other cheek? Read the post again and to put it into the context of all the accusations made against BoB during the war everything from the sad state of our RL lifestyles to accusations of cheating and worse. There is no wonder some of the guys feel aggrieved enough to flame and not just turn the other cheek. Returning to the OP, it's a great shame that the you missed an opportunity to give a final word and regain some dignity by showing you'd recovered some perspective. I sincerely hope that you learn to enjoy Eve again and some day get your head around what really happened and why, rather than spending the rest of your gaming career feeling bitter about it. I sincerely hope that I get to bump into you at another fanfest so I can buy you a beer and have a chat, I think it would be enlightening to both of us and I know I'd be very happy to do it. In all seriousness good luck, best wishes and bury the hatchet for goodness sake. This post makes me respect BoB that little bit more. ---------------------- Nubtard
Eutectic Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:45:00 - [252] Wow mind blowing OP. I guess delusions soften the blow or something for you Cyvok. For those wondering why ASCN got little or no outside help, I think the content of the OP sums it up quite well. Who the heck would ever want to help someone with an attitude like that. The ideal of ASCN was grand and to be admired and what they accomplished is not to be dismissed, it's truly a shame it's sullied by the drivel and outright lies in the OP. ASCN has plenty to be proud of, why claim things that are simply not true?
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:46:00 - [253] Originally by: Nira Li Edited by: Nira Li on 31/01/2007 05:08:42 Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. You eat what you sow. It's as simple as that. Oh and this is a game, don't forget that. Yeah, I think the bit about it being a game, and sportsmanship was the point he was making, and that you didn't get, or your parents never taught you. Bulabuba made the only useful post in this entire thread. And he's dead on. Everything else in this thread is either Cyvok digging up the rotting bones of the dead horse for one last kick, or the internet special olympians and their friends taking their last shots. For god's sake, just give it up already. You're making this forum even more tedious than usual.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:56:00 - [254] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Yeah, I think the bit about it being a game, and sportsmanship was the point he was making, and that you didn't get, or your parents never taught you. Bulabuba made the only useful post in this entire thread. And he's dead on. Everything else in this thread is either Cyvok digging up the rotting bones of the dead horse for one last kick, or the internet special olympians and their friends taking their last shots. For god's sake, just give it up already. You're making this forum even more tedious than usual. QFT+LOL=GG __________________________________________________
Anderson Wes Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:03:00 - [255] This will get lost in the clutter, boss, but thanks for serving our country, and thanks for the time in ASCN. May there be another like it. :P
phoenix fighter	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:05:00 - [256] ok nice long post and ASCN have been an image of eve from the get go but to say one thing as a long time player since beta myself (this is my alt, cant be arsed to change login) i have seen ASCN rise and fall as many other alliances and first of to say all them things of ASCN owning everyone and pushing d2/iron and such north and ur the only alliance to hold BOB of so long is crap, i will always standby the fact that Phoenix alliance was the biggest fight ever in eve, they held out till the last breath of everyone and fought with everything they had, the 9 months i was in ASCN compared to the few month's in PA i know from the inside that ASCN has never been strong ever since DDC split and formed AXE ever since then ASCN would never be strong again and it was inevitable that u were gonna be taken over, BOB are an amazing force and formidable at that but they are not all mighty and they have real lives to just like me, i play about 5 hours a week but thats still enough time to join an op and kill BOB RISE or whoever so RL aint no excuse nearly all that play eve have jobs and demanding schedules but them couple of hours we get to play matter so saying RL is the reason is just an excuse. PA are the #1 alliance i have seen that fell to overwhelming odds but stayed till the end and now D2 and IRON are facing off against large odds also against MC, FIX and BOB up north but u don't see them complaining and on about RL because its just a game to have fun with and them said alliances fight with whatever they have and are doing a better job than ASCN ever could after DDC left, and most of them don't play much also. pure and simple.
Zubenelgenubi Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:00:00 - [257] Edited by: Zubenelgenubi on 31/01/2007 19:57:34 Whenever any alliance I was in had relations with ascn they always showed themselves to be a bit iffy. Glad to say i helped kill some of ya when I was in IEEX flying with collective :P nice post eutectic... Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Zubenelgenubi Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:00:00 - [258] Edited by: Zubenelgenubi on 31/01/2007 19:57:34 Whenever any alliance I was in had relations with ascn they always showed themselves to be a bit iffy. Glad to say i helped kill some of ya when I was in IEEX flying with collective :P nice post eutectic... Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:10:00 - [259] EvE Rocks!!! ASCN was a great ride!!, we built something special, we kicked alot of ass and we got our asses kicked in the end. Both sides fought hard, some more than others. Some got respect, some lost even more. Many learned valuable lessons, many did not... CYVOK: Was an awesome run, ASCN did ALOT, You did alot, but its over... Time to move on and look back to see what went wrong. Nira Li: You won, show some freakin class in this "game" It may be a game, but its real people... BL: One of your best posts.
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:10:00 - [260] EvE Rocks!!! ASCN was a great ride!!, we built something special, we kicked alot of ass and we got our asses kicked in the end. Both sides fought hard, some more than others. Some got respect, some lost even more. Many learned valuable lessons, many did not... CYVOK: Was an awesome run, ASCN did ALOT, You did alot, but its over... Time to move on and look back to see what went wrong. Nira Li: You won, show some freakin class in this "game" It may be a game, but its real people... BL: One of your best posts.

welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:18:00 - [261] Edited by: welsh wizard on 31/01/2007 20:19:12 Fantastic post BL. Why aren't you so polite and courtious to your opponents on your radio show though? I couldn't believe some of the viperous crap coming from your mouth about my former corp and her members. In fact I don't even believe it was you speaking! Maybe it was the beer?
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:18:00 - [262] Edited by: welsh wizard on 31/01/2007 20:19:12 Fantastic post BL. Why aren't you so polite and courtious to your opponents on your radio show though? I couldn't believe some of the viperous crap coming from your mouth about my former corp and her members. In fact I don't even believe it was you speaking! Maybe it was the beer?
The Hardman Amarr Sausage Commandos The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:21:00 - [263] Originally by: KSUDruid Edited by: KSUDruid on 31/01/2007 06:36:16 Take it for what it's worth. Bob didn't cheat, we didn't hack, we didn't do anything that isn't 100% within the game mechanics to beat ASCN. Where, in the OP, did he accuse you of that?
The Hardman Amarr Sausage Commandos The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:21:00 - [264] Originally by: KSUDruid Edited by: KSUDruid on 31/01/2007 06:36:16 Take it for what it's worth. Bob didn't cheat, we didn't hack, we didn't do anything that isn't 100% within the game mechanics to beat ASCN. Where, in the OP, did he accuse you of that?
Ekon Bor ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:44:00 - [265] Edited by: Ekon Bor on 31/01/2007 20:51:59 Originally by: Elad Dranoel A little more condensed version would of sufficed... Originally by: CYVOK .. The fact still remains that ASCN killed more BoB then ANY one in EvE ever has and I am sure its going to remain that way for a LONG time. Except for the fighting done during the actual war; cause no one cares about beforehand. Originally by: CYVOK ASCN fought until the reason for fighting disappeared. Which could of been: money, confidence in one's leadership, organized fleet ops. Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN give up the fight? I love to blame everyone but myself. Originally by: CYVOK ...I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. I tried to ctrl+q and CCP denied my Titan loss petition. Again I blame everyone else by myself. Originally by: CYVOK Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. I'm **ed at bob because they showed no mercy to us helpless beings and all the other carebears in this online world. Originally by:** CYVOK ...More wine and cheese here... Intermission... Originally by: CYVOK The day the Community of EvE realizes that every player in the game deserves to be respected regardless of how good or bad they are is the day EvE will dominate the OLG market. Why can't this game be like the Sims, where we could all get along in peace and harmony? Originally by: CYVOK There is nothing wrong with being respect to others. You can still kill them, but after doing so let them know what they did wrong and give them advice on how to move ahead in the game. Stupid BoB!! You're were supposed to School us after you killed us, now how are we ever going to fight back if no one teaches us how to pvp?! Originally by: CYVOK As for me personally. I love EvE, I still think itÆs the greatest game .... Except for everyone in it who doesn't obey my omnipotent commands and ingenious war strategies; or who didn't donate isk for my titan. Thx for that as I cnbf reading the whole thing. Begone CRYVOCK and may you fill by head with bull** nevermore! /me purges remaining morale blogs from memory.........................................................done Originally by:** CYVOK ASCN tried to build its own instead of taking the easy path. I am very proud of what ASCN achieved, we built something amazing from nothing. BoB just destroys and assimilates. You won't be using ur borg sig any more then?
Taedrin Gallente The Last Ravens	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:48:00 - [266] Edited by: Taedrin on 31/01/2007 20:45:20 long story short, CYV0K is bitter not because the Titan was lost, but because the war was lost. Makes sense, really. I'd be pretty ticked if a pirate destroyed virtually all of my corp's worldly possessions, and most of mine too... EDIT: And the BoB bashing is probably frustration
Riddlock Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:57:00 - [267] I'm so tired to hear all the crap about how bob used hacks and how bob members don't have real life and they are geeks. The war who was suppose to be fun turned in a boring crap becouse of people like you CYVOK , the HC guys who where such full of themselfs that they didnt realise that we have to do more then stay at a pos 12 hrs per day . Anyway i hope you will stop posting crap on forums , your a good guy who knows how to handle big masses but thats all, no more conspiracy theory please :)
Incinate 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:00:00 - [268] Edited by: Incinate on 31/01/2007 21:56:27 Fantastic post there BL, was that you or the beer talking....
TRIGGER Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:14:00 - [269] Edited by: TRIGGER on 31/01/2007 22:11:13 "We CRUSHED MASS & RA in UB5-Z" dear cyvok... roffel. u remember literally begging me to let you live prior to xetic collapsing? I do wish you the best in the future though and I think ASCN certianly did accomplish a great deal . ttfn
Gareth Angel Blue Star Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:26:00 - [270] Originally by: Riddlock ...Anyway i hope you will stop posting crap on forums... Lol. Reading through this post makes me think the same about many others, and I really feel the urge to say that a LOT of those others are from your alliance. Honestly, if someone like Nira Li is a rolemodel for you guys, I fear for the future of Eve. I am not saying I agree with what Cyvok wrote - flamebait mostly; no-one should really disagree with that, but omg - lots of people are showing their true faces here. Not something to be proud of, tbh. Let me be a nobody in Eve, if it saves me from becoming like so many others here. Frustrated much? Need to prove something to someone? Show the community how big your e-peen is? Grow up, please. And to Cyvok, since he wrote the original post - respect for what you tried to make of ASCN. I think your alliance achieved more than others can only dream of. For that part, I salute you.

Gareth Angel Blue Star Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:26:00 - [271] Originally by: Riddlock ...Anyway i hope you will stop posting crap on forums... Lol. Reading through this post makes me think the same about many others, and I really feel the urge to say that a LOT of those others are from your alliance. Honestly, if someone like Nira Li is a rolemodel for you guys, I fear for the future of Eve. I am not saying I agree with what Cyvok wrote - flamebait mostly; no-one should really disagree with that, but omg - lots of people are showing their true faces here. Not something to be proud of, tbh. Let me be a nobody in Eve, if it saves me from becoming like so many others here. Frustrated much? Need to prove something to someone? Show the community how big your e-peen is? Grow up, please. And to Cyvok, since he wrote the original post - respect for what you tried to make of ASCN. I think your alliance achieved more than others can only dream of. For that part, I salute you.
Gareth Angel Blue Star Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:26:00 - [272] Originally by: Riddlock ...Anyway i hope you will stop posting crap on forums... Lol. Reading through this post makes me think the same about many others, and I really feel the urge to say that a LOT of those others are from your alliance. Honestly, if someone like Nira Li is a rolemodel for you guys, I fear for the future of Eve. I am not saying I agree with what Cyvok wrote - flamebait mostly; no-one should really disagree with that, but omg - lots of people are showing their true faces here. Not something to be proud of, tbh. Let me be a nobody in Eve, if it saves me from becoming like so many others here. Frustrated much? Need to prove something to someone? Show the community how big your e-peen is? Grow up, please. And to Cyvok, since he wrote the original post - respect for what you tried to make of ASCN. I think your alliance achieved more than others can only dream of. For that part, I salute you.
Gareth Angel Blue Star Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:26:00 - [273] Originally by: Riddlock ...Anyway i hope you will stop posting crap on forums... Lol. Reading through this post makes me think the same about many others, and I really feel the urge to say that a LOT of those others are from your alliance. Honestly, if someone like Nira Li is a rolemodel for you guys, I fear for the future of Eve. I am not saying I agree with what Cyvok wrote - flamebait mostly; no-one should really disagree with that, but omg - lots of people are showing their true faces here. Not something to be proud of, tbh. Let me be a nobody in Eve, if it saves me from becoming like so many others here. Frustrated much? Need to prove something to someone? Show the community how big your e-peen is? Grow up, please. And to Cyvok, since he wrote the original post - respect for what you tried to make of ASCN. I think your alliance achieved more than others can only dream of. For that part, I salute you.
BlackMoon Thrawn the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:40:00 - [274] Originally by: CYVOK ASCN has been officially disbanded, forums and website decommissioned. It was founded on 5 May 2004 by Celestial Horizon Corp and Dirty Deeds Corp. Some parting words from me. The Base Pay out on the Titan was 22B. The ISK was split between IXC, CLS, & 5618, indirectly. It was used to purchases POSÆs, Fuels and Modules to continue the war effort. The death of the Titan is not what made me decide to leave EvE. I had made that decision the Sunday before. The last 2 years of my Air Force duty were VERY taxing. I was working close to 100 hours a week. In the last 8 months I think I might have had 3 days off. Everyone in ASCN could see what was happening to me. I simply did not have the time to deal with everything in EvE that I needed to properly. To mitigate that I gave more operational control to individual Corps and CEOÆs. ASCN lost its central command structure at that point. I had hoped that I would be able to come back and get everything back on track when my RL calmed down, but that never happened. I had been trying for almost 6 months to get other players to step up to the leadership plate and take control in both ASCN and CLS to no avail. There is a HUGE shortage of players in EvE that have the time to effectively run large organizations like ASCN vs their real lives. Could've stopped there tbh. At any rate good luck with whatever you decide to do CYVOK. Good or bad you gave alot to the allaince and most of us appreciated it. The blame game doesn't suit you, whatever happened right or wrong take it like a man. To all the other posters intent on laying the blame of a fallen allaince on CYVOK there were others at the top and plenty of blame to go around.
BlackMoon Thrawn the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:40:00 - [275] Originally by: CYVOK ASCN has been officially disbanded, forums and website decommissioned. It was founded on 5 May 2004 by Celestial Horizon Corp and Dirty Deeds Corp. Some parting words from me. The Base Pay out on the Titan was 22B. The ISK was split between IXC, CLS, & 5618, indirectly. It was used to purchases POSÆs, Fuels and Modules to continue the war effort. The death of the Titan is not what made me decide to leave EvE. I had made that decision the Sunday before. The last 2 years of my Air Force duty were VERY taxing. I was working close to 100 hours a week. In the last 8 months I think I might have had 3 days off. Everyone in ASCN could see what was happening to me. I simply did not have the time to deal with everything in EvE that I needed to properly. To mitigate that I gave more operational control to individual Corps and CEOÆs. ASCN lost its central command structure at that point. I had hoped that I would be able to come back and get everything back on track when my RL calmed down, but that never happened. I had been trying for almost 6 months to get other players to step up to the leadership plate and take control in both ASCN and CLS to no avail. There is a HUGE shortage of players in EvE that have the time to effectively run large organizations like ASCN vs their real lives. Could've stopped there tbh. At any rate good luck with whatever you decide to do CYVOK. Good or bad you gave alot to the allaince and most of us appreciated it. The blame game doesn't suit you, whatever happened right or wrong take it like a man. To all the other posters intent on laying the blame of a fallen allaince on CYVOK there were others at the top and plenty of blame to go around.
BlackMoon Thrawn the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:40:00 - [276] Originally by: CYVOK ASCN has been officially disbanded, forums and website decommissioned. It was founded on 5 May 2004 by Celestial Horizon Corp and Dirty Deeds Corp. Some parting words from me. The Base Pay out on the Titan was 22B. The ISK was split between IXC, CLS, & 5618, indirectly. It was used to purchases POSÆs, Fuels and Modules to continue the war effort. The death of the Titan is not what made me decide to leave EvE. I had made that decision the Sunday before. The last 2 years of my Air Force duty were VERY taxing. I was working close to 100 hours a week. In the last 8 months I think I might have had 3 days off. Everyone in ASCN could see what was happening to me. I simply did not have the time to deal with everything in EvE that I needed to properly. To mitigate that I gave more operational control to individual Corps and CEOÆs. ASCN lost its central command structure at that point. I had hoped that I would be able to come back and get everything back on track when my RL calmed down, but that never happened. I had been trying for almost 6 months to get other players to step up to the leadership plate and take control in both ASCN and CLS to no avail. There is a HUGE shortage of players in EvE that have the time to effectively run large organizations like ASCN vs their real lives. Could've stopped there tbh. At any rate good luck with whatever you decide to do CYVOK. Good or bad you gave alot to the allaince and most of us appreciated it. The blame game doesn't suit you, whatever happened right or wrong take it like a man. To all the other posters intent on laying the blame of a fallen allaince on CYVOK there were others at the top and plenty of blame to go around.
BlackMoon Thrawn the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:40:00 - [277] Originally by: CYVOK ASCN has been officially disbanded, forums and website decommissioned. It was founded on 5 May 2004 by Celestial Horizon Corp and Dirty Deeds Corp. Some parting words from me. The Base Pay out on the Titan was 22B. The ISK was split between IXC, CLS, & 5618, indirectly. It was used to purchases POSÆs, Fuels and Modules to continue the war effort. The death of the Titan is not what made me decide to leave EvE. I had made that decision the Sunday before. The last 2 years of my Air Force duty were VERY taxing. I was working close to 100 hours a week. In the last 8 months I think I might have had 3 days off. Everyone in ASCN could see what was happening to me. I simply did not have the time to deal with everything in EvE that I needed to properly. To mitigate that I gave more operational control to individual Corps and CEOÆs. ASCN lost its central command structure at that point. I had hoped that I would be able to come back and get everything back on track when my RL calmed down, but that never happened. I had been trying for almost 6 months to get other players to step up to the leadership plate and take control in both ASCN and CLS to no avail. There is a HUGE shortage of players in EvE that have the time to effectively run large organizations like ASCN vs their real lives. Could've stopped there tbh. At any rate good luck with whatever you decide to do CYVOK. Good or bad you gave alot to the allaince and most of us appreciated it. The blame game doesn't suit you, whatever happened right or wrong take it like a man. To all the other posters intent on laying the blame of a fallen allaince on CYVOK there were others at the top and plenty of blame to go around.
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:43:00 - [278] Before this post get locked becouse of stupid flaming: CYVOK is right about a few things: Yes. He is a very good alliance-leader. Yes. He has no idea about pvp (one aspect of the downfall of ASCN) ASCN was falling becouse of mis-management of recources, manpower and Isk (and the lack of pvp-command aka good FCs). Btw @ celes: What u are doing now with thouse 2 titans? (intel 4tw) Good luck Cyvok in your future (and hopefuly back in EvE soon). Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:43:00 - [279] Before this post get locked becouse of stupid flaming: CYVOK is right about a few things: Yes. He is a very good alliance-leader. Yes. He has no idea about pvp (one aspect of the downfall of ASCN) ASCN was falling becouse of mis-management of recources, manpower and Isk (and the lack of pvp-command aka good FCs). Btw @ celes: What u are doing now with thouse 2 titans? (intel 4tw) Good luck Cyvok in your future (and hopefuly back in EvE soon). Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:43:00 - [280] Before this post get locked becouse of stupid flaming: CYVOK is right about a few things: Yes. He is a very good alliance-leader. Yes. He has no idea about pvp (one aspect of the downfall of ASCN) ASCN was falling becouse of mis-management of recources, manpower and Isk (and the lack of pvp-command aka good FCs). Btw @ celes: What u are doing now with thouse 2 titans? (intel 4tw) Good luck Cyvok in your future (and hopefuly back in EvE soon). Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb

ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:43:00 - [281] Before this post get locked becouse of stupid flaming: CYVOK is right about a few things: Yes. He is a very good alliance-leader. Yes. He has no idea about pvp (one aspect of the downfall of ASCN) ASCN was falling becouse of mis-management of recources, manpower and Isk (and the lack of pvp-command aka good FCs). Btw @ celes: What u are doing now with thouse 2 titans? (intel 4tw) Good luck Cyvok in your future (and hopefuly back in EvE soon). Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:46:00 - [282] Originally by: Colje Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You proved his point, go hide under a rock Nira. Sorry, but if you had to put up with his unending line of personal insults and out right lies he told about us your reaction would be the same. Fact is from day one of our war he (cyvok) set out to demonise us. I mean, he coudn't even go out with a shred of dignity with this post. It is full of the same old same old lies and insults. It also shows that to this day he doesnt know why he lost so badly to us. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:46:00 - [283] Originally by: Colje Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You proved his point, go hide under a rock Nira. Sorry, but if you had to put up with his unending line of personal insults and out right lies he told about us your reaction would be the same. Fact is from day one of our war he (cyvok) set out to demonise us. I mean, he coudn't even go out with a shred of dignity with this post. It is full of the same old same old lies and insults. It also shows that to this day he doesnt know why he lost so badly to us. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:46:00 - [284] Originally by: Colje Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You proved his point, go hide under a rock Nira. Sorry, but if you had to put up with his unending line of personal insults and out right lies he told about us your reaction would be the same. Fact is from day one of our war he (cyvok) set out to demonise us. I mean, he coudn't even go out with a shred of dignity with this post. It is full of the same old same old lies and insults. It also shows that to this day he doesnt know why he lost so badly to us. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:46:00 - [285] Originally by: Colje Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You proved his point, go hide under a rock Nira. Sorry, but if you had to put up with his unending line of personal insults and out right lies he told about us your reaction would be the same. Fact is from day one of our war he (cyvok) set out to demonise us. I mean, he coudn't even go out with a shred of dignity with this post. It is full of the same old same old lies and insults. It also shows that to this day he doesnt know why he lost so badly to us. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
CrewSandwich Caldari Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:51:00 - [286] Quote: The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Cry me a river pal. You were in 0.0 you should know better. The pvp timer was still active and you logged off. Poor Cyvok. Bottom Line: you were in 0.0 it's not empire act accordingly.
CrewSandwich Caldari Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:51:00 - [287] Quote: The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Cry me a river pal. You were in 0.0 you should know better. The pvp timer was still active and you logged off. Poor Cyvok. Bottom Line: you were in 0.0 it's not empire act accordingly.
CrewSandwich Caldari Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:51:00 - [288] Quote: The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Cry me a river pal. You were in 0.0 you should know better. The pvp timer was still active and you logged off. Poor Cyvok. Bottom Line: you were in 0.0 it's not empire act accordingly.
Cuisinart Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:19:00 - [289] Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. Bulabuba, you hit that nail SO right on the head that I had to quote it for truth. With every subject that bob replies to they just show off the fact that they are nothing more than arrogant pr1cks with less sportsmanship than a pack of 4 year olds. Frankly, I don't understand why anyone would choose to associate themselves with such. Cyvok, you made many good points and I wish you good luck in your future endeavors.
Cuisinart Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:19:00 - [290] Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. Bulabuba, you hit that nail SO right on the head that I had to quote it for truth. With every subject that bob replies to they just show off the fact that they are nothing more than arrogant pr1cks with less sportsmanship than a pack of 4 year olds. Frankly, I don't understand why anyone would choose to associate themselves with such. Cyvok, you made many good points and I wish you good luck in your future endeavors.

ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:27:00 - [291] Edited by: ArcticFox on 31/01/2007 23:25:53 Originally by: KSUDruid Take it for what it's worth. Bob didn't cheat, we didn't hack, we didn't do anything that isn't 100% within the game mechanics to beat ASCN. You know as well as I do Cyvok that we're regular dudes like ASCN were, we just play Eve better than you. It's just a game man... It's just a game... say it a few more times in case you can't get it through your head. The sun will still come up tomorrow, you'll still have a job, and your life and health. It's just a game... Druid, I like you, you're a good guy, and I wouldn't hesitate to say you're among the top fleet commanders I've flown with, but, back when you were DDC at least, you also played Eve more than almost any human being I know (except maybe Kezz). You said yourself you're a perfectionist, a power gamer, you don't play games half-assed. I imagine at least part of the reason you joined BoB was to fly with a lot of people who shared this mentality. I'm not saying "skill level" was equal in the aforementioned conflict, but if you're going to deny this commitment in time and effort (which is what I beleive Cyvok was referencing) was a factor, and say you're just uberer, then you're spinning at least as much as Cyvok is. Does Cyvok's post contain the whole and complete reason ASCN was downed? I don't know, though I'm inclined to say no. To point to any one factor as the sole cause is pointless, because anyone with half the info and half a brain should be able to see it's way more complicated than the descriptions in sensational Eve-O posts generally allow. Do I completely agree with Cyvok and everything he has ever said? Of course not, but I still don't beleive he deserves to be flamed and insulted for making a post aimed mostly at dispelling some of the speculation directly related to his life, a post which is at the least no more vicious of an attack than many made by other BoB and ASCN members over the course of the war. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it.
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:27:00 - [292] Edited by: ArcticFox on 31/01/2007 23:25:53 Originally by: KSUDruid Take it for what it's worth. Bob didn't cheat, we didn't hack, we didn't do anything that isn't 100% within the game mechanics to beat ASCN. You know as well as I do Cyvok that we're regular dudes like ASCN were, we just play Eve better than you. It's just a game man... It's just a game... say it a few more times in case you can't get it through your head. The sun will still come up tomorrow, you'll still have a job, and your life and health. It's just a game... Druid, I like you, you're a good guy, and I wouldn't hesitate to say you're among the top fleet commanders I've flown with, but, back when you were DDC at least, you also played Eve more than almost any human being I know (except maybe Kezz). You said yourself you're a perfectionist, a power gamer, you don't play games half-assed. I imagine at least part of the reason you joined BoB was to fly with a lot of people who shared this mentality. I'm not saying "skill level" was equal in the aforementioned conflict, but if you're going to deny this commitment in time and effort (which is what I beleive Cyvok was referencing) was a factor, and say you're just uberer, then you're spinning at least as much as Cyvok is. Does Cyvok's post contain the whole and complete reason ASCN was downed? I don't know, though I'm inclined to say no. To point to any one factor as the sole cause is pointless, because anyone with half the info and half a brain should be able to see it's way more complicated than the descriptions in sensational Eve-O posts generally allow. Do I completely agree with Cyvok and everything he has ever said? Of course not, but I still don't beleive he deserves to be flamed and insulted for making a post aimed mostly at dispelling some of the speculation directly related to his life, a post which is at the least no more vicious of an attack than many made by other BoB and ASCN members over the course of the war. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it.
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:28:00 - [293] Originally by: Ewa Quillam Dude, if u want to make peace, make it with you and with your friends/corpmates/allies and not with your enemies by inciting them to further aggression. U'll never get understanding from them. It seems u did some great things once, but now u just lost. Get passed it. go hug ur veldspar ---- Long life the warrios of God R0ADKILL ALLIANCE Killboard
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:28:00 - [294] Originally by: Ewa Quillam Dude, if u want to make peace, make it with you and with your friends/corpmates/allies and not with your enemies by inciting them to further aggression. U'll never get understanding from them. It seems u did some great things once, but now u just lost. Get passed it. go hug ur veldspar ---- Long life the warrios of God R0ADKILL ALLIANCE Killboard
Cinnander Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:39:00 - [295] Buh bye ASCN, see you guys around, on one end of my guns or another >:p -x- Faction gang mods, you say?
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:49:00 - [296] Yes, the need for smacking BoB a bit may have been a little hot headed.. but the BoB recourse in only the first page is way beyond the means of a community. Whether you hate Cyvok, or love cyvok, you can NOT deny his input to EvE. Yes, BoB is now controling fyeth, but would you have such nice space if it wasnt for Cyvok and ASCN? Would you have had the fun blowing ASCN ships up so much if it wasnt for the war? BoB's smacking is a little harsh in my eyes. At the very least respect for your enemy, who put up such a nice fight, is truly deserved. It was great flying with you ASCN, and was great fighting you BoB. See you on the battlefield. -Bryg http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618
thebold Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:49:00 - [297] Originally by: CYVOK -We CRUSHED MASS & RA in UB5-Z Cyvok, your true side has finaly shown, O well Ego ftw... In all honesty mate you did'nt leave your home system, it wasnt untill we conquered Feythabolis that we finaly found you!
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:55:00 - [298] I just don't have the heart to read past the second page of this thread: some BoB posts are truly disgusting and unfortunately show once more that PvP games bring the best... as the worst. SirMolle even getting warned, where will it stop? Even if I don't agree with all what CYVOK wrote, most of the posters on this thread should just keep their dirty mouth shut because they never, and never will, achieve 1/100 of what Cyvok achieved. Respect Cyvok, fly safe wherever you go, you're a great guy. I mean it. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:58:00 - [299] I'm writing this several days before my Eve subscription runs out. This war was a blast. I was on the losing side and nevertheless, this war was mostly fun. I want to thank all those involved on both sides for many fun battles. I won't go into the reasons why ASCN had failed. I wasn't long enough in ASCN to have a clear view of how the alliance functioned. I only will say this to whoever will try to build another 0.0 empire: Never think of Eve as Sim City. Eve is Total War. You want the best troops with the best gear available to you. 200 peasants won't defeat 30 knights. Endless riches won't help you if you don't have the army to field and if they aren't used to provide that army with the best gear possible. Eve is war. And I'll finish with a very nice quote from someone (unfortunately I don't remember his name): don't accept into your alliance industrialists with PvP alts; if you want an alliance that is a killing machine, accept PvPers with industrial alts.
Xianthar ShaK Scientific	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:00:00 - [300] everything about this post describes exactly why ascn lost. -xian

hybridundertaker Amarr RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:11:00 - [301] ashes to ashes, dust to dust
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:40:00 - [302] Edited by: Galk on 01/02/2007 00:38:54 Edited by: Galk on 01/02/2007 00:37:02 Scaning the op, admit i didn't read all of it. But as much as you care to trump your accomplishment in victory, you show dismay at those that would care to knock those down on equal term. Iv'e allways admired those that work the common goal (yourselfs are a shining example of what everything this game should be about) But if you show agression toward others, you should allways expect it back. Iv'e totaly neutrality in conflicts, but i recognize that as being standard set in my line of thinking. Personaly, thanks for what you did for the game though, can't be knocked. Gl in whatever you decided to channel your efforts in next.. im fairly sure there will be something, kickbacks only make you come back stronger. ______
Nick Curso Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:50:00 - [303] Edited by: Nick Curso on 01/02/2007 00:52:23 Quote: We CRUSHED MASS & RA in UB5-Z Really? heh jusr=t noticed bolds post he said all that needs to be said tbh
Mr Mozzie Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:55:00 - [304] Originally by: Meleira Luan Originally by: Mr Mozzie That is plain wrong. It is like saying if Bill Gates were a good businessman he would dissolve Microsoft and start again with $5000 to prove that he was good enough. It is not incumbent upon BoB to come and play on the terms of others. Abandoning the things that made them successful would not only prove nothing, it would be pointless. Well you forget the constant mantra here "It's a game". Bill Gates does not play monopoly so he doesnt have to start over to be challenged. And we are talking individual BoB players here, I wasn't suggesting the whole Alliance should declare war on themselves. I was saying that those players in BoB who beat their chests so strongly on the forum should raise to the challenge and go lead some minor alliance, help them build up their PvP division, fight the evil empire that is BoB against all odds and be challenged. I have met one such player ever, he left Black Nova Corp and fought against them to be challenged and because he wanted to be on the little guys side. He is one of the most honorable and nice persons I've met. And he left BoB. Go figure. I can see what you are saying, but it has nothing to do with balls. Also, it has nothing to do with being evil. To suggest that people in bob should raise to the chalenge and turn on each other shows a deep misunderstanding of BoB. Not that I understand them that well.
Geeknik eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.01 01:01:00 - [305] Originally by: Ekon Bor You forgot Gobbins At least Gobs said goodbye. Damn you Ekon.
Ekon Bor ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 01:16:00 - [306] Edited by: Ekon Bor on 01/02/2007 01:19:08 Originally by: Geeknik Originally by: Ekon Bor You forgot Gobbins At least Gobs said goodbye. Damn you Ekon. Didn't think anyone would care tbh, and LH did say if anyones leaving , just leave so IXC can get on with it. That and the general opinion of ANZA after leaving ASCN would probably have drawn more h8red by the likes of which you have just displayed. Thanks so much for brining it here <3 ......Im so bad @ goodbyes
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 01:21:00 - [307] "As for me personally. I love EvE, I still think itÆs the greatest game currently available by a wide margin. I truly hope that its success grows and that CCP is able to get a handle on all the issues. Also last January 5th ASCN purchased me a nightmare for my birthday. It was the first faction ship I ever owned in EvE. That ship is located in VNGJ-U and one day I WILL be flying it freely through Feyth again." Tbh, am quite happy to hear you decided to stick around in the game and plan to keep on playing. Suspect for quite a few people similar happiness stems from the hope they'll get to shoot you again for the things you wrote in this farewell, but then can't win them all -.^ gl in the future, things may be interesting if you give it another attempt at some point down the road.
Raznarok Fate.	Posted - 2007.02.01 02:31:00 - [308] Originally by: Blacklight To the OP. Sure ASCN did some great things but it was fundamentally flawed on several levels. It's right for you to mention the positive things in a final outgoing post and it's right that both those achievements and your part in them be recognised. You did some great things in building infrastructure in 0.0 on a scale that was groundbreaking at the time. However, not admitting that there were fundamental errors made by yourself and your appointed deputies at the same time devalues the whole purpose of your post. Hell, all you had to say was "in retrospect we did x, y and z wrong, BoB used those weaknesses against us, good game to them for doing so, next time I'll do things a little differently". There's enough ASCN both in this thread and in others that have freely admitted what went wrong, why and who had the greater part in being the cause of those mistakes. There's no need to go into detail about them but command structure, individuals put into positions beyond their abilities, recruitment standards, lack of PvP focus, inability to retain quality players all spring to mind and yet are not acknowledged. Why not, rather than just accuse your opponents of a miriad of personal and frankly untrue faults, acknowledge some of your own? I know it's difficult to accept you made mistakes and so you fall back on the same old nonsense that was spouted all throughout the war with us. To be honest it's all way too personal from the inclusion of what was going on in RL for you at the time (which any of us with any sense of perspective or empathy would sympathise with you about but has no place here) to the following paragraph which beyond all others indicates that you've a long way to go in coming to terms with what happened and take it all way too seriously.. Quote: As for me, I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. If the players in BoB want to define their existence by how ôgreatö they are in EvE, that is their decision. But it does not make them better people them myself or those that built ASCN, that decision is made in RL, not in a game. As for the peanut gallery throwing stones at BoB and being self righteously indignant because a lot of the BoB guys are flaming the OP, why are you really surprised and are you all such saints that you can turn the other cheek? Read the post again and to put it into the context of all the accusations made against BoB during the war everything from the sad state of our RL lifestyles to accusations of cheating and worse. There is no wonder some of the guys feel aggrieved enough to flame and not just turn the other cheek. Returning to the OP, it's a great shame that the you missed an opportunity to give a final word and regain some dignity by showing you'd recovered some perspective. I sincerely hope that you learn to enjoy Eve again and some day get your head around what really happened and why, rather than spending the rest of your gaming career feeling bitter about it. I sincerely hope that I get to bump into you at another fanfest so I can buy you a beer and have a chat, I think it would be enlightening to both of us and I know I'd be very happy to do it. In all seriousness good luck, best wishes and bury the hatchet for goodness sake. Nice reply BL.
B0rn2KiLL MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.02.01 02:38:00 - [309] an interesting read n nicely put, wish you gluck matey. every begining as an end. --- new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u. *Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11
Father Calistas Antipodean inc. Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:26:00 - [310] While I found the war frustrating, I was in a couple of great battles and saw myself on some kill mails too. Good luck to all invovled. As always, the past is gone, and the future offers us much new excitement!

Orc A Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:32:00 - [311] Edited by: Orc A on 01/02/2007 04:29:31 Well, all i've ever asked myself about ASCN is "why?" You saw how well it worked out as Xetic... why oh why cyvok, did you repeat the same exact mistakes? P.S - Defeated SA & SE? LoL! each one of us individually tore you a new one while shooting at eachother... If you decide tot ake it like a man and admit you lost, don't try to grab as much glory as you can and enlarge the already silly portrait you painted of yourself on these forums. Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.02.01 05:03:00 - [312] ASCN will always be remembered for its achievements, and there were many of them. B0rn2KILL said, "every beginning has an end" I would like to say "every end is a beginning" To CYVOK all the best in the future. In my business there is no black, nor white. Just a million different shades of grey.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.01 05:10:00 - [313] A bit late in a fast moving thread, but just wanted to say to BL, very nice reply, much respect. Blog
Kozak Caldari The Collective	Posted - 2007.02.01 06:22:00 - [314] I just wanted to mention that even though this is a game, the way you play this game has a reflection on who you are in RL. That being said, the slave corps that now live in Feyth and Esoteria answer to a "Pet Master" as Sir Molle calls him and pay 3 billion a month to live there per station plus a surcharge per complex (I believe 2 billion a month is what Sir Molle said). The station that Species 5618 built is now under a bob "Pet" alliance called Executive Outcomes and is called "Pet Shop". I know this because this was the offer made to us, we chose to leave. So, even though this is a game, even through the virtual world, you can be belittled on a grand scale. If you choose to accept that, some of it has to reflect on you as a person in RL. Take that for what it's worth. BTW, Many games have failed when the ballance of the game was thrown off by a single entity. I hope that EvE is not going in the same direction, but it does seem that way.
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.02.01 06:27:00 - [315] Whilst I have quite a bit of respect for BL, anybody can sit down with a keyboard and tap out a reasonable, coherent post if they really choose to. ASCN is over. Why it died is irrelevant. There are only two things that matter now. One, is where the people whom ASCN represented go from here. Everyone from ASCN can either harbor nastiness until Eve ends, or move on. I'd reccomend you link up with BoB's next target and get yourselves a little payback, then move on with your lives. Next, I'm not sure if this will be recieved as some sort of smack, but that really isn't my intention. BoB really needs to go back to their heyday, which was the days of the force that everyone was afraid of because of what they could do ingame. Stop with the forum sillyness and all the other associated tripe. I remember when if you smacked in local you got shot at. I've no idea who you people are anymore. It seems to me that speaking in generalities BoB went from the elite, premier combat force in the universe to the rioting soccer fans with no concept of self control or common courtesy. ASCN was very, very far from perfect, and some of the things that were said about BoB that they vehemently denied are starting to look not so implausible. ASCN had a forum ban in place, and while it wasn't perfect it kept quite a bit of idiocy off the forums. I know that ASCN had a very distinct leadership void for long periods, but BoB apparently doesn't have that problem. So use it already. A recent series of events left your butts hanging out for the world to see, and when the dust settles you can either be the mob of soccer thugs that everyone thinks you are, or remind everyone how you got to be BoB in the first place. Or don't. You can keep that "Make us" attitude, I guess. I'm sure everyone will forget about ASCN in time, and I'm sure nobody will care or remember anything I've said. Be remembered however you want when the sun goes down.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.02.01 06:55:00 - [316] Edited by: Shardrael on 01/02/2007 06:52:15 Originally by: CYVOK As for those that call me a fool for not cashing out with as much as I could, youÆre the reason that so many great Online titles have failed. You donÆt care about the game or the community or the players, your only looking to gratify yourself interest. I am not like that. I have always believed that the community and the individual players are the most important part of any game. The games with the most interaction between players belonging to a community are the most successful. The games where the community is hostile to everyone eventually fail or are forgotten. The day the Community of EvE realizes that every player in the game deserves to be respected regardless of how good or bad they are is the day EvE will dominate the OLG market. When a 3 month old player ventures into low sec or 0.0 for the first time after getting bored with missions and empire, is then greeted with comments like: ôNooB!ö ôMoron!ö ôThis is MY space pew pew!ö hahahhahaha! Go back to Jita Ect all they do is cancel their account. There is nothing wrong with being respect to others. You can still kill them, but after doing so let them know what they did wrong and give them advice on how to move ahead in the game. Keep the in the game, because eventually all you jerks out there are going to chase everyone else out of the game and work will get around that the Eve player base sucks. Then we wont have any new players coming in. Fact is that griefers donÆt like to play games with other griefers because its to much of a challenge, then the game dies. -CYVOK- this right here is why I enjoyed flying under your flag, it is truth in the purest those that cannot recognize it as such I wish you a gentle ride on your way to its discovery and to cyvok well put, fly safe Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Big BillyBob Caldari EVE's STORM	Posted - 2007.02.01 07:09:00 - [317] ASCN did something no other collection of EVE players could do: it made an empire outside empire space. I would like to see ANY of you other folks try and do that. IF you think what you have already is an empire compared to what we had, you're silly, delusional, and sorely mistaken. He wasn't lying when he said EVERY item was avaliable. When you have a self-sustaining empire with no ties to empire space other than for T2 AND have enough stock (made from you're own 0.0 space factories) for everyone to buy for a fight and AGAIN after it is lost, then we'll talk. Bonus points if you're stock is cheaper than empire by at least 15%. I won't bother commenting on the hopeless lot criticising eachother. I treat each individual I speak with online as I would if I met them face to face. Its called common courtesy folks. I'm not saying that Cyvok's tirade against BoB's 'tactics' was tasteless, but in a disbanding speech I normally only read about the body's history and a 'GG' to the other side. (though I know a 'GG' to BoB (or anyone else)would be the same as saying anything else, most of you guys don't know the meaning of tact) I know you all want to be treated farily, but seriously, at this point most of you don't even deserve a handshake, yet not worth a smack in the face. Saying you acted 'within the mechanics of the game' means nothing, and while I would normally say "GG, we lost, you won, see you next time or maybe not", this just doesn't sit well with me. Sure the means are there, but SHOULD you use them? I'm sure YOUR answer is yes, but, again, I stress COURTESY. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. ASCN didn't use spies to weaken you, or take offers to. As far as I know, we didn't use spies and if there were any, we didn't thrive off of them as much as you did. We tried to keep as far within the courtesy boundary as we could while you continually stepped outside of it. You're choices are you're choices though, and while you may not have technically 'cheated', you still didn't fight on a level moral field. ASCN might not have been as good at fighting as you guys were, but that isn't the point. ASCN didn't gain satisfaction from being the best fighters, or the largest military force. Ours came from what we made, what we achieved, and how we worked together to get it done so quickly. My time in ASCN was the best I'd had, and the most productive. I'm done with alliances for the time being, but I pray that another like ASCN will rise up. You can say it will fall again, but as long as an entity like BoB exists - an entity specializing in pure killing - nothing will last forever. Like Cyvok said, ASCN was bigger and better than a lot of other alliances. The fact that BoB beat us doesn't mean we are weak, but you are weaker and next in line. Good luck, you will need it. _________________________________
TrippyX Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.01 08:18:00 - [318] LOOK OVER THERE!!! /me points to Jita CONCORD IS BUILDING A NEW KISOGO GATE!!!!! ... let it die already.. ____________________ I ♥ [TSYND]
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.01 08:53:00 - [319] No lose for eve that u r not in charge of 4000ppl anymore, ur lies and untruths have been published enough. Perhaps someday ull get the idea why u lost everything that uve been build in EvE. Rl whise i wish u the very best
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.01 08:58:00 - [320] Originally by: Big BillyBob ASCN did something no other collection of EVE players could do: it made an empire outside empire space. I would like to see ANY of you other folks try and do that. IF you think what you have already is an empire compared to what we had, you're silly, delusional, and sorely mistaken. He wasn't lying when he said EVERY item was avaliable. When you have a self-sustaining empire with no ties to empire space other than for T2 AND have enough stock (made from you're own 0.0 space factories) for everyone to buy for a fight and AGAIN after it is lost, then we'll talk. Bonus points if you're stock is cheaper than empire by at least 15%. I won't bother commenting on the hopeless lot criticising eachother. I treat each individual I speak with online as I would if I met them face to face. Its called common courtesy folks. I'm not saying that Cyvok's tirade against BoB's 'tactics' was tasteless, but in a disbanding speech I normally only read about the body's history and a 'GG' to the other side. (though I know a 'GG' to BoB (or anyone else)would be the same as saying anything else, most of you guys don't know the meaning of tact) I know you all want to be treated farily, but seriously, at this point most of you don't even deserve a handshake, yet not worth a smack in the face. Saying you acted 'within the mechanics of the game' means nothing, and while I would normally say "GG, we lost, you won, see you next time or maybe not", this just doesn't sit well with me. Sure the means are there, but SHOULD you use them? I'm sure YOUR answer is yes, but, again, I stress COURTESY. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. ASCN didn't use spies to weaken you, or take offers to. As far as I know, we didn't use spies and if there were any, we didn't thrive off of them as much as you did. We tried to keep as far within the courtesy boundary as we could while you continually stepped outside of it. You're choices are you're choices though, and while you may not have technically 'cheated', you still didn't fight on a level moral field. ASCN might not have been as good at fighting as you guys were, but that isn't the point. ASCN didn't gain satisfaction from being the best fighters, or the largest military force. Ours came from what we made, what we achieved, and how we worked together to get it done so quickly. My time in ASCN was the best I'd had, and the most productive. I'm done with alliances for the time being, but I pray that another like ASCN will rise up. You can say it will fall again, but as long as an entity like BoB exists - an entity specializing in pure killing - nothing will last forever. Like Cyvok said, ASCN was bigger and better than a lot of other alliances. The fact that BoB beat us doesn't mean we are weak, but you are weaker and next in line. Good luck, you will need it. HMM just because u r having a few itmes for sale in a whole empire doenst make u special, probally stain has the same, If i could by a mega in azn for a good price but then have to go to r97 to get 425, up to c9n for the sensor boosters it not too much of an achivment for me. Anyhow the empire was populated with ppl not willing to fight for it, or the hc wasnt unable to maintain a propper chain of commands.

Guardian Angell Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:12:00 - [321] Edited by: Guardian Angell on 01/02/2007 09:08:40 The greatest organization is gone. It's just the way of things. It will happen again Respect to all former members of ASCN! ________________ Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups - Under Siege 2
Danari Amarr Syncore	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:32:00 - [322] Originally by: Kozak So, even though this is a game, even through the virtual world, you can be belittled on a grand scale. If you choose to accept that, some of it has to reflect on you as a person in RL. I think you're close but that you just ever so slightly missed the mark. I think ultimately it actually reflects on what you aspire to be in your dreams. Aspiring to mediocrity in a fantasy game is just so completely inconceivable to me Oh and to CYVOK, I appreciate the experiences my time in ASCN provided. I believe the last three months taught me pretty much everything one ought to know about corp and alliance level gaming leaders. It's mutually certain you and I will never work together again, but regardless best fortune to you in your future projects.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:37:00 - [323] It saddens me to see the disrespectfull BoB posts in this thread. The war is over, you won, there is no further need for propaganda. There is one thing that is twice as worse as a sore looser; a sore winner. Ty ASCN for writing a big piece of EvE History. /respect ----------------------------------------------- The BIG Lottery
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:41:00 - [324] Edited by: Waxau on 01/02/2007 11:39:34 Without trying to flame, im rather dissapointed that your post cyvok contains flaming of bob. You lost, they won. You claim that BoB are bad sports, and lack sportsmanship, yet you're being bad losers yourselves, by claiming they needed to cheat and exploit. I mean, come on. and just to reitterate what others have said - Its a game! People speak of honour, sportsmanship yada yada. Geez. You dont go to a bank, get robbed with a gun to your head, and ask em to be sportsmanlike and let you get a gun ^^
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:41:00 - [325] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 HMM just because u r having a few itmes for sale in a whole empire doenst make u special, probally stain has the same, If i could by a mega in azn for a good price but then have to go to r97 to get 425, up to c9n for the sensor boosters it not too much of an achivment for me. You have clearly never been to stain. When Cyvok was able to dedicate more time to the game than he was at the end you have no idea how well our space was being run so I would save your pointless smack. Frustrating as it may have been to get a gang together at times, ASCN space was a thing of beauty and by far the most populated and well run area I have ever been to by a long long stretch. ASCN had a fair few*****s like everywhere else but it also had by far and away the largest collection of "nice" guys I have ever met, just a pity that the saying "nice guys finish last" is so true in eve which is a very unforgiving environment.
nico wurz250 The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:41:00 - [326] pop .
chiXu1 Caldari Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:44:00 - [327] Originally by: CYVOK The day the Community of EvE realizes that every player in the game deserves to be respected regardless of how good or bad they are is the day EvE will dominate the OLG market. When a 3 month old player ventures into low sec or 0.0 for the first time after getting bored with missions and empire, is then greeted with comments like: ôNooB!ö ôMoron!ö ôThis is MY space pew pew!ö hahahhahaha! Go back to Jita Ect all they do is cancel their account. As much as i agree with this it is a problem that is a part of all online games. There are a lot of people on the internet who behave like this and, ultimately, there isn't an awful lot that can be done about them. If the world of online games was perfect, sure, they wouldn't be here or anywhere else for that matter. As it stands, it isn't perfect and we will be forced to deal with such people in the most appropiate manner. Revelations Inc. Recruiting
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:45:00 - [328] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 01/02/2007 12:43:11 Originally by: Waxau Edited by: Waxau on 01/02/2007 11:39:34 Without trying to flame, im rather dissapointed that your post cyvok contains flaming of bob. You lost, they won. You claim that BoB are bad sports, and lack sportsmanship, yet you're being bad losers yourselves, by claiming they needed to cheat and exploit. I mean, come on. and just to reitterate what others have said - Its a game! People speak of honour, sportsmanship yada yada. Geez. You dont go to a bank, get robbed with a gun to your head, and ask em to be sportsmanlike and let you get a gun ^^ As you say, its a game, so trying to make RL analogies with a bank robbery doesnt make a lot of sense. The fact it is a game is exactly why you can talk about honour and aspire to be greater than yourself and do the things things that seldom apply in RL when you are faced with the daily grind IMO. edit: spelling
Laboratus Gallente BGG	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:46:00 - [329] Edited by: Laboratus on 01/02/2007 12:45:10 Originally by: Waxau and just to reitterate what others have said - Its a game! People speak of honour, sportsmanship yada yada. Geez. Yes, it is a game. Everything in it is fictional, except the people and the way those people percieve it. Hence everything you can lose in it, ships, mods, poses, stations, space, can be replaced. The only things that cannot be replaced, fixed, if you will, is the loss of reputation due to indecent behaviour. The image other people have of you. If you are trying to build something bigger than just yourself, it is paramount that you retain that image and conduct yourself with honor. Respect can be lost so fast, but it always takes a lot longer to get back. Yes, the pew pew part of the game is just something that happenes with some electrons going to places and some pixels moving, but the people form a community. The prestige and position in that community is what changes the maps. Not the position of pixels. That is the end result. Originally by: Fitz Chivalry As you say, its a game, so trying to make RL analogies with a bank robbery doesnt make a lot of sense. The fact it is a game is exactly why you can talk about honour and aspire to be greater than yourself and do the things things that seldom apply in RL when you are faced with the daily grind IMO. Very well said. Like the name. Reminds me of a book. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:52:00 - [330] Bah - Well i like mixing ingame life with Real life. Such as im sexy in game. I just dont see why Cyvok is claiming that bob are cheaters etc, when he talks of sportsmanship. Kinda conflicting comments ^^

Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:55:00 - [331] Originally by: Waxau Bah - Well i like mixing ingame life with Real life. Such as im sexy in game. I just dont see why Cyvok is claiming that bob are cheaters etc, when he talks of sportsmanship. Kinda conflicting comments ^^ I know what you mean, but I think its safe to assume he was feeling a bit ****ed off at the time he wrote that.
Mistress Butterfly Amarr Khanidco	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:42:00 - [332] Quote: I have always believed that the community and the individual players are the most important part of any game. The games with the most interaction between players belonging to a community are the most successful. The games where the community is hostile to everyone eventually fail or are forgotten. The community is all we have going for it. Its easy to spot people are arent community oriented. Im sure 90% of BoB are nice people but given recent events and the CCP investigation you really start to wonder whats going on. I do agree with you about respect there is way to little of it. MB We sell researched BPOs and Khanid made ships!
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:46:00 - [333] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 HMM just because u r having a few itmes for sale in a whole empire doenst make u special, probally stain has the same, If i could by a mega in azn for a good price but then have to go to r97 to get 425, up to c9n for the sensor boosters it not too much of an achivment for me. You have clearly never been to stain. When Cyvok was able to dedicate more time to the game than he was at the end you have no idea how well our space was being run so I would save your pointless smack. Frustrating as it may have been to get a gang together at times, ASCN space was a thing of beauty and by far the most populated and well run area I have ever been to by a long long stretch. ASCN had a fair few*****s like everywhere else but it also had by far and away the largest collection of "nice" guys I have ever met, just a pity that the saying "nice guys finish last" is so true in eve which is a very unforgiving environment. How do u know where ive been? Ive bought things in stain at is just as good/bad as any other npc region out there, AFAIK there is not much u cant buy in stain. Mostly u simply miss a CPR or a SB, so just because in ascn space where items on the market doenst make it an empire, and id guess in most of the alliances u have ppl that havent been in empire for a long while. Belive or not, that mostly why ascn went down, because of the lack of checking what others do and respecting their achivments. BoB have showed u how things worked these days, and when BoB had their Phase 4 (Standing reset) ASCN should have been aware of the fact that u be 1st or 2nd target of this. But some of u still lived in the dream that bob is the Knight in the golden armor which will kill the north and let u mine in peace. And about the ppl, i havent met one single alliance which doesnt have nice or cool ppl in it, just because being in an alliance makes u uncool or whatnot. And with ASCN being away from the hunting grounds well see how other alliances will do against bob.
Cmdr Sp0ck Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:49:00 - [334] Originally by: Cyvok It was founded on 5 May 2004 by Celestial Horizon Corp and Dirty Deeds Corp. Wrong. It was founded in May 2005. In May 2004 both you and me were in Xetic Federation and the CA war started towards the end of that same month ASCN failed because they met their match. Plain and simple. It happens to everyone at some point.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:06:00 - [335] well, this is probably coming 10 pages too far, but let's be honest and face it, do you really expect Bob pilots to say "farewell and good luck" to somebody who leaves parting words such as : Originally by: CYVOK They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN give up the fight? Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple. Originally by: Cyvok Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. If you take a look at an old post were gungankiller posted the defeat of ASCN, you might have noticed a lot more respect from us bobbits. As somebody mentionned, before a boxing match, both fighters taunt each other, try to provoke the other, get him mad etc ... when the fight is finished, they take off the gloves and congratulate each other. that's what happened in gungan's post, the fight was mostly over, aside from the last stand, and respect was given where it was due. Now Cyvok comes with a parting gift, spiced with disrespect and flamebait. For us the war was over, aside from a few loud mouthed whorum fores here and there, but then if cyvok comes back now to tell us about lack of honor and bring back to life the old "kiddies in mom's basement", do you expect us to cheer him and show respect? Cyvok, if you want to enjoy and afterfight drink at a pub with us, take of the boxing gloves, eitherwise you won't be able to hold a pint. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
esquimo leviticus Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:58:00 - [336] Farewell ASCN at least legacy of outposts for folks to use, even if the name changes the fact that they were installed by you guys remains, congrats on all you achieved, it's a sad day for eve, but eve-life goes on regardless.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:07:00 - [337] Edited by: RedClaws on 01/02/2007 15:04:16 So I was right : You deliberatly held back on ASCN assets to lose the war and cash in on it yourself. Not to mention the 5 outpost eggs. What other reason is there to "hide" 2 titans in the middle of the battle for survival? Bad and Corrupted Leadership. BTW : Cyvok did you even manage to read my post in the ascn forums that was directed at your "you guys suck" post?
BlackSabbath Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:23:00 - [338] the difference between bob and ascn is that ascn was mostly made of people who enjoy the game, bob on the other hand is made out of people that played eve for so long they are lossing intrest in it. so people simply join the winning side bringing their experience for that 1 minute of victory before going to bed. bob is made out same fools that in counter strike *** and moan about how their team sucks and just switch over to the winning side. it takes more balls to join a losing side and see if it can be improved and thats not what bob is about, and once all those egos start rubbing off each other BOB will be forgoten and the 16 outpost in feyth will still be there until this game dies off gl cyvok ================================ "i am only here to ** you off"
balrog Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:40:00 - [339] The diffrence is that all BOB work towards commen goal and there ceo`s can kick members ass ASCN 70% only care about there own wallet and ceo`s only think of membercount quality beats quantity anyday
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:41:00 - [340] Originally by: BlackSabbath the difference between bob and ascn is that ascn was mostly made of people who enjoy the game, bob on the other hand is made out of people that played eve for so long they are lossing intrest in it. so people simply join the winning side bringing their experience for that 1 minute of victory before going to bed. bob is made out same fools that in counter strike ***** and moan about how their team sucks and just switch over to the winning side. it takes more balls to join a losing side and see if it can be improved and thats not what bob is about, and once all those egos start rubbing off each other BOB will be forgoten and the 16 outpost in feyth will still be there until this game dies off gl cyvok Difference between ACSN and BoB, is that ACSN actually believed garbage like this. --------------- PvP in EvE is not consentual.

Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:51:00 - [341] Originally by: BlackSabbath the difference between bob and ascn is that ascn was mostly made of people who enjoy the game, bob on the other hand is made out of people that played eve for so long they are lossing intrest in it. so people simply join the winning side bringing their experience for that 1 minute of victory before going to bed. bob is made out same fools that in counter strike ***** and moan about how their team sucks and just switch over to the winning side. it takes more balls to join a losing side and see if it can be improved and thats not what bob is about, and once all those egos start rubbing off each other BOB will be forgoten and the 16 outpost in feyth will still be there until this game dies off gl cyvok You can't seriously believe this.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:51:00 - [342] Respect for what you built. GL in RL.
Belmarduk	Posted - 2007.02.01 16:31:00 - [343] GL Cyvok
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.01 16:41:00 - [344] Originally by: RedClaws Edited by: RedClaws on 01/02/2007 15:04:16 So I was right : You deliberatly held back on ASCN assets to lose the war and cash in on it yourself. Not to mention the 5 outpost eggs. What other reason is there to "hide" 2 titans in the middle of the battle for survival? Bad and Corrupted Leadership. BTW : Cyvok did you even manage to read my post in the ascn forums that was directed at your "you guys suck" post? They were not ASCN's Outpost Eggs, They are "MY" Outpost Eggs. They are not ASCN's Titans, They are "MY" Titans. I Stole the Minerals Fair and Square. Carry on having fun. "Where is Foyle?" How can we have Stolen Alliance minerals/Items, a resurgence of CA, And allegations of Misconduct without Foyle? --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.02.01 16:50:00 - [345] Originally by: MuthaTrucka Originally by: RedClaws Edited by: RedClaws on 01/02/2007 15:04:16 So I was right : You deliberatly held back on ASCN assets to lose the war and cash in on it yourself. Not to mention the 5 outpost eggs. What other reason is there to "hide" 2 titans in the middle of the battle for survival? Bad and Corrupted Leadership. BTW : Cyvok did you even manage to read my post in the ascn forums that was directed at your "you guys suck" post? They were not ASCN's Outpost Eggs, They are "MY" Outpost Eggs. They are not ASCN's Titans, They are "MY" Titans. I Stole the Minerals Fair and Square. Carry on having fun. "Where is Foyle?" How can we have Stolen Alliance minerals/Items, a resurgence of CA, And allegations of Misconduct without Foyle? but... but... MT, you promised to share :(
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Kennyer Caldari Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.01 18:15:00 - [347] Was great fun being in ASCN m8 had a great time cheers :) i miss feyth :( Kennyer - ex eXceed Member ------------------------------------------------ god damn stupid alt tab!! snip - please don't use words that are masked by the profanity-filter in your signature. -Ivan K
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2007.02.01 19:10:00 - [348] CYVOK - You built an empire that will be remembered in the history of EvE, for this you should be proud. How long that memory lasts in the MMO Lore is up to the pilots that joined you, fought you and countless who jerred and cheered from the sidelines. Good luck in your new ventures. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Kunming Outcasts	Posted - 2007.02.01 19:57:00 - [349] Originally by: balrog The diffrence is that all BOB work towards commen goal and there ceo`s can kick members ass ASCN 70% only care about there own wallet and ceo`s only think of membercount quality beats quantity anyday Sounds like how 70% of EVE plays the game, thats why they keep losing while the rest 30% has fun Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
panman The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:03:00 - [350] Originally by: BlackSabbath the difference between bob and ascn is that ascn was mostly made of people who enjoy the game, bob on the other hand is made out of people that played eve for so long they are lossing intrest in it. so people simply join the winning side bringing their experience for that 1 minute of victory before going to bed. bob is made out same fools that in counter strike ***** and moan about how their team sucks and just switch over to the winning side. it takes more balls to join a losing side and see if it can be improved and thats not what bob is about, and once all those egos start rubbing off each other BOB will be forgoten and the 16 outpost in feyth will still be there until this game dies off gl cyvok I think u are out on your own here mate.. DESPITE all the crap about bob being this bob being that bob being evil haxploiters ect ect ect ect ect. You must know that this is simply not a possible theory... ASCN got Hammered by bob, and axe got whooped on by aAa. It is DONE and OVER WITH. No hax, no exploits, no lame tactics no anything.. Just poor focus by ascn and excellent work by band of brothers.. ASCN was such a joke not allowing people to post on the forums of the game they pay for was the biggest joke of all.... Freedom of speach and all that, but dont bother if your just gonna talk crap about people. -----------------------

Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:33:00 - [351] Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? I'll bite. What DID happen? Can I have one if it is Caldari or Gallente?:D
RogueWing GIT-R-DUN Southern Connection	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:34:00 - [352] Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? Well, they sure as heck weren't used to defend ASCN space..... [G-R-D].....we've buried 50 kittens up to their necks in the yard......join us or we get out the lawn mower.
Knubbins McGee Duck Farts	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:45:00 - [353] Originally by: RogueWing Originally by: CYVOK The real question everyone should be asking themselves is what happened to the other 2 ASCN Titans that were completed just before Christmas Day? Well, they sure as heck weren't used to defend ASCN space..... Ain't that the truth? Either its an outright lie or ASCN completely screwed up the biggest potential "OMGWTF?!" moment ever in EVE. I could just imagine the forum drama, speculation and misinformation opportunities if 2 or 3 nights after Steve was killed if ANOTHER ACSN Titan would have popped into local in a fight.. So either he's lying or just really incompetant as a leader. (I mean no disrespect to him personally, just calling into question his tactical decisions and/or need for disinformation after the war is over)
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:52:00 - [354] Edited by: Exelsior on 01/02/2007 20:50:21 Originally by: KSUDruid Edited by: KSUDruid on 31/01/2007 06:36:16 I had a nice long post I was gonna put here, but I really can't be asked to be honest dude. Take it for what it's worth. Bob didn't cheat, we didn't hack, we didn't do anything that isn't 100% within the game mechanics to beat ASCN. You know as well as I do Cyvok that we're regular dudes like ASCN were, we just play Eve better than you. It's just a game man... It's just a game... say it a few more times in case you can't get it through your head. The sun will still come up tomorrow, you'll still have a job, and your life and health. It's just a game... That should read "we play eve MORE than you" and not "better than you". BoB on average spend more time playing Eve than any other alliance out there. Does that earn my respect? Yes. However when a BoB member starts telling others who spends most of their time irl that Eve is "just a game", there's something wrong. You guys are some of the most dedicated eve players here, but saying "we're just better than you" is BS. You deserve no respect when you claim that your superiority has nothing to do with the fact that most of you play Eve as a real job and dedicate tons of time to it. So stop being so damned arrogant and tell YOURSELF that it's just a game. You guys have put POS warfare and forum whoring above all the other fun in Eve a while ago now, so you should be the LAST to talk about this being just a game. Give anyone with even a dose of intelligence the opportunity and time to play eve 8 hours a day and he will organise an amazing corp/alliance. Some people just don't have that time. In the end, you guys will end up with amazing achievements in Eve (virtual), while this guy will have honour and army service behind him irl. And everyone knows what really matters.
AvengeR ofBLooD Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:04:00 - [355] Originally by: BlackSabbath the difference between bob and ascn is that ascn was mostly made of people who enjoy the game, bob on the other hand is made out of people that played eve for so long they are lossing intrest in it. so people simply join the winning side bringing their experience for that 1 minute of victory before going to bed. bob is made out same fools that in counter strike ***** and moan about how their team sucks and just switch over to the winning side. it takes more balls to join a losing side and see if it can be improved and thats not what bob is about, and once all those egos start rubbing off each other BOB will be forgoten and the 16 outpost in feyth will still be there until this game dies off gl cyvok Comments like this show just how little people truly know about BoB. Many say BoB is Eve Easy Mode, or players join BoB to be on winning side all the time. I don't know the recruiting procedures for the other BoB Corps but it is EXTREMELY difficult to join BNC and I am sure the same can be said of BoB in general. The recruiters only accept THE BEST to join. But once one joins BoB, it is EXTREMELY eeeeasy to get kicked out since if you don't play at a continuosly high caliber, then your out. See ya! It's that simple. Why allow weak, lazy, smooching players to stay in your corp and drag you down. ASCN was full of them, and the elite players had to do all the work to cover for the other's faults. Now if someone is in a Corp like that and wants to work really hard to become BoB so they can see how it feels to be part of a well oiled war machine like us, then all the power to them. Heck, Congrats for being accepted. That goes for any Corp or Alliance that expect a high caliber of playing and dedication from their members, not just BoB. If you look at my character's Corp History, you will see I joined BoB as soon as I entered 0.0 space. I have been playing Eve for almost 2 years and 1.5 of that was in BoB. I joined because of RL friends of another game so I knew the dedication and resolve that BNC in particular had and I am excited to be a part of it. We are not losing interest in the game; our leaders make the game fun for our members which is what any Corp in Eve strives for. I didn't JOIN the winning side, I worked side by side with my Corp and Alliance mates to MAKE it the winning side. The fact that others will call this an easy mode really have NOOO idea what it takes to be part of a successful Alliance like BoB and are really just bitter. One day, if and when BoB falls (which will be a GLORIOUS battle) then Respect to the victors for the hard work that feat will require! FLAME ON: If any require further evidence of BoB greatness, please line up in an orderly fashion while I missile launch all of you out the nearest torpedoe tube! LOL! FLAME OFF: Here is to many more great battles to come for both friends and enemies I spend Isk I don't have, to buy things I don't need, to impress people I don't like!
iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:11:00 - [356] I know I really shouldn't reply to this whole thread, but some of the replies show how little the poster understands.... What does it take to be a Leader? It's all right there in the word isn't it? LEAD. The guy running the show should never be in the rear pushing everyone else, he should be in front showing the way. Blaming lack of time, lack of 'someone else' stepping up to the plate, etc, for poor leadership..... You know, I can understand real life issues. Been there, done that. But a leader doesn't 'hope' that things will turn out ok, they plan and prepare for those situations. Meh, I'm skirting around my point. The question is, Was Cyvok a good (alliance) leader? No. No disrespect to the person, and he certainly had some things right. But ASCN never came together as a group, and I don't think most in the alliance 'followed' Cyvok - quite a few openly disliked him. One day there'd be threats of kicking everyone who didn't meet x standard out of the alliance - typically a rather crazy unreasonable standard note - the next day it would be retracted as the alliance teetered on the brink of anarchy. Does anyone on the outside really understand how it was? ASCN didn't build 16 Outposts. The closest ASCN came to building anything together was the Titan. Individual corps built Outposts, because it was in their own best interests to build it. We did have a few 'alliance' outings - but frankly, the lockdown of EC-P isn't the one that comes to mind most. Maybe a better example would be the freighter runs, where most people had to be pressured to come help out, while a few got rich off the items that were transported down. ASCN was a good ideal. But, quite frankly, in the end it was a failure. Bob didn't cause the failure, so much as they applied the pressure that finally exposed it's failure. Promote all the 'achievements' of ASCN if you want. But if anyone wants to try to convince themselves that it wasn't a failure - well, where is it now?
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:17:00 - [357] "That should read "we play eve MORE than you" and not "better than you". BoB on average spend more time playing Eve than any other alliance out there." But is there some factual data to back this up, or it's more of case of reverse reasoning? ^^ i.e. "well they achieve more but they cannot be better than us (our ego doesn't allow this possibility) so they must be playing more than we do"..? I just don't remember any sort of breakdown by alliance for time spent playing so well, it's somewhat questionable statement -.o
Usagi Yojimbo Gallente FREELANCERS INC. Miners and Haulers	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:30:00 - [358] If ya cannot win a war ...ya can always surrender.... ASCN could have stepped down from their pedistal and have said to BoB ...congratz dudes ...you are better. But disbanding an entire alliance ....seems a bit harsh. As far as i know BoB is that they love a good fight...even a good laugh. But they are not without reason... Put your pride aside,admit defeat,lick your wounds and come back with a vengeance when you have recovered from the previous war! Its just a game,but also alot like real life If ya dont look out ,somebody will kick your teeth in for 2 isk. Dont worry ...after all its just a game
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:37:00 - [359] Originally by: j0sephine "That should read "we play eve MORE than you" and not "better than you". BoB on average spend more time playing Eve than any other alliance out there." But is there some factual data to back this up, or it's more of case of reverse reasoning? ^^ i.e. "well they achieve more but they cannot be better than us (our ego doesn't allow this possibility) so they must be playing more than we do"..? I just don't remember any sort of breakdown by alliance for time spent playing so well, it's somewhat questionable statement -.o If i didn't have anything better to do i'd go and find some facts, but i've been in very many alliances and most people play an average of one hour per day, some don't log on for long streaks at a time, etc. In BoB afaik you get kicked out for not being active on a daily basis unless you have a holiday/emergency etc.
Hydraxian Gallente Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:44:00 - [360] Well, i left before the war (although i would have stayed if i had known it was coming lol) but still i have to say my time in ASCN (and CLS) were probably the times i had the most fun. If you get away from all the political stuff/flaming, ASCN was a great alliance, i totally agree with the statement that "ASCN was Empire in 0.0" i think i returned to empire maybe 3 times in the 8 months i was involved.. and that was just to tell loot. The thing that defined ASCN to me were the individuals (mostly silent in this thread). It was the Jik's, Zoidbergs and Origim's of the alliance that imo defined it. People who were willing to do everything that was needed for the corp/alliance whether it was mining, defending or attacking. Sure ASCN may have died with a metaphorical and literal BOOM, but i think alot of people will remember ASCN with fond memories of friendships, teamwork and fun. In the end BOB were the better/luckier/more haxxor () players and tore that down, but i hope that such a empire will arise again in the future which will once again flourish. Good luck for whatever the future holds ASCN peeps & especially Cyvok, I for one will fondly remember the alliance whatever the Flamebaters come up with. But most of all... Remember this is a GAME... if your not having fun, take a step back and redefine the game for yourself. This is a Sandbox and you can make almost anything out of it... Long live the ASCN Sandcastle of Doom.... at least in memory..

Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:52:00 - [361] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Belive or not, that mostly why ascn went down, because of the lack of checking what others do and respecting their achivments. You mean like you did in your post?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:53:00 - [362] Originally by: Exelsior If i didn't have anything better to do i'd go and find some facts, but i've been in very many alliances and most people play an average of one hour per day, some don't log on for long streaks at a time, etc. In BoB afaik you get kicked out for not being active on a daily basis unless you have a holiday/emergency etc. That is a load of bollix. The difference is not in how much time we spend playing, but how we spend our time when we are logged in. Personally, I end up being available mainly on weekends, and often only 3 out of 4 weeks a month. But when I am online, I will spend my entire time working towards the corp / alliance goals, and fighting besides my friends in BoB. If you honestly believe anything else, you are so far from the mark it's ridiculous.
Skilo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 22:05:00 - [363] Originally by: CYVOK (...)The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. (...) Why did ASCN give up the fight? Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple. As for me, I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. If the players in BoB want to define their existence by how ôgreatö they are in EvE, that is their decision. But it does not make them better people them myself or those that built ASCN, that decision is made in RL, not in a game(...) I'm gonna tell you the real secret on how we won the war. Everytime a BoB member started to loose the will to keep on fighting he would simple go to eve-o, read in the foruns lines like the ones above and .... WILL TO FIGHT BACK TO 100%!!! Why can't someone just enters a game and, inside games rules, have fun doing whatever he wants to do? You saying we had no honour on attackind the Titan? It was there we killed it! You wouldn't have done the same because of honour? You are dum or think we are? That is why you lost the war. Quote: If the players in BoB want to define their existence by how ôgreatö they are in EvE, that is their decision. But it does not make them better people them myself or those that built ASCN, that decision is made in RL, not in a game(...) I had already forgot this bunch of lies and now they are back again and i feel glad ASCN is over. We cannot win because we are better? We can because we have no RL correct? I have no RL kids, not RL married, no RL 60h/week job .....my RL ASCN friends can sure tell you how wrong you are Cyvok. To bad you keep on leaving this mark on Eve. You will be remember has someone who was great ... on poor loosing! I had, on the post you where leaving eve, wished you good luck. I still do! Good luck in RL! Leave Eve thanks
Bawldeux IV Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.02.01 22:14:00 - [364] Originally by: Usagi Yojimbo If ya cannot win a war ...ya can always surrender.... ASCN could have stepped down from their pedistal and have said to BoB ...congratz dudes ...you are better. But disbanding an entire alliance ....seems a bit harsh. As far as i know BoB is that they love a good fight...even a good laugh. But they are not without reason... Put your pride aside,admit defeat,lick your wounds and come back with a vengeance when you have recovered from the previous war! Its just a game,but also alot like real life If ya dont look out ,somebody will kick your teeth in for 2 isk. I quit CLS/ASCN when I was able to confirm certain members of ASCN had withheld 'support' that those on the frontlines needed (and I had sacrificed well over 5billion of my own worth, left with less then 10% of my former value). Those "leaders" are to blame for the ASCN defeat, not BoB, not those ASCN fighters that were on the front lines, sacrificing all they could, just those "leaders" that pillaged ASCN for their own greed...which is what BoB was pointing out early on, and most of us were not willing to listen to...( we should have listened huh?) Those that fought BoB with all they had, deserve a tip of my hat, as does BoB for the good fights we had against each other. Those so called "leaders"...meh...my cat would have an instinctual behavior of trying to bury them in a sandbox... (note: Ramius and Caytlyn of CLS deserve a tip of the hat as well, for trying to pick up the pieces of what was left to them, but they need to look at who is under their current command in CLS, since there are a few of those "leaders" hiding there now. I am sure you have an idea who.) ..I will point out, that towards the end, there was a huge question of why the best PVP'ers were quiting ASCN..well, take a big guess...we were seeing the Eve equivalance of Enron within our leaders. Rats stealing the cheese from our sinking ship...
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.01 22:55:00 - [365] Still whining. Humble up will you. You got your ass kicked. Plain and simple. To make assumptions about how BoB members spend their real life is to show how much of a fool you are. You still lost, even after all of the trashtalking. You won't take feyth again, and if you come back to build something it will be like when SA tryed to rebuild itself, pathetic. Good Riddance.
Bawldeux IV Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.02.01 23:59:00 - [366] Originally by: Troubadour Still whining. Humble up will you. You got your ass kicked. Plain and simple. To make assumptions about how BoB members spend their real life is to show how much of a fool you are. You still lost, even after all of the trashtalking. You won't take feyth again, and if you come back to build something it will be like when SA tryed to rebuild itself, pathetic. Good Riddance. heh, back under your bridge troll...
Octavios Caldari Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.02 00:00:00 - [367] salute way back when ROA were Mercenaries we had an ASCN contract. What Cyvok says must be true, that all they could buy was in Feyth because we had reallllly hard time finding war targets in empire. anyway sucks how you lost the Titan. I thought CCP would give it back. Now it is only fitting for BOB to loose their Titan due to game Mechanics or Lag. ----------------------------------------------
Bawldeux IV Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.02.02 00:09:00 - [368] Originally by: Hydraxian Well, i left before the war (although i would have stayed if i had known it was coming lol) but still i have to say my time in ASCN (and CLS) were probably the times i had the most fun. If you get away from all the political stuff/flaming, ASCN was a great alliance, i totally agree with the statement that "ASCN was Empire in 0.0" i think i returned to empire maybe 3 times in the 8 months i was involved.. and that was just to tell loot. The thing that defined ASCN to me were the individuals (mostly silent in this thread). It was the Jik's, Zoidbergs and Origim's of the alliance that imo defined it. People who were willing to do everything that was needed for the corp/alliance whether it was mining, defending or attacking. Sure ASCN may have died with a metaphorical and literal BOOM, but i think alot of people will remember ASCN with fond memories of friendships, teamwork and fun. In the end BOB were the better/luckier/more haxxor () players and tore that down, but i hope that such a empire will arise again in the future which will once again flourish. Good luck for whatever the future holds ASCN peeps & especially Cyvok, I for one will fondly remember the alliance whatever the Flamebaters come up with. But most of all... Remember this is a GAME... if your not having fun, take a step back and redefine the game for yourself. This is a Sandbox and you can make almost anything out of it... Long live the ASCN Sandcastle of Doom.... at least in memory.. concur mostly, aside from haxor comments.. ASCN was great for the time I was in, if not for 'some people' I would have stayed. If 'some' had helped when they were needed with support, who knows, ascn and bob might still be fighting...but there is a time to pull out, which is what I choose to do. The war itself, was fun (aside from some laggy spots). To the ascn and BoB fighters that were on the front lines, I salute you all.
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.02.02 00:29:00 - [369] Originally by: iqplayer I know I really shouldn't reply to this whole thread, but some of the replies show how little the poster understands.... What does it take to be a Leader? It's all right there in the word isn't it? LEAD. The guy running the show should never be in the rear pushing everyone else, he should be in front showing the way. Blaming lack of time, lack of 'someone else' stepping up to the plate, etc, for poor leadership..... You know, I can understand real life issues. Been there, done that. But a leader doesn't 'hope' that things will turn out ok, they plan and prepare for those situations. Meh, I'm skirting around my point. The question is, Was Cyvok a good (alliance) leader? No. No disrespect to the person, and he certainly had some things right. But ASCN never came together as a group, and I don't think most in the alliance 'followed' Cyvok - quite a few openly disliked him. One day there'd be threats of kicking everyone who didn't meet x standard out of the alliance - typically a rather crazy unreasonable standard note - the next day it would be retracted as the alliance teetered on the brink of anarchy. Does anyone on the outside really understand how it was? ASCN didn't build 16 Outposts. The closest ASCN came to building anything together was the Titan. Individual corps built Outposts, because it was in their own best interests to build it. We did have a few 'alliance' outings - but frankly, the lockdown of EC-P isn't the one that comes to mind most. Maybe a better example would be the freighter runs, where most people had to be pressured to come help out, while a few got rich off the items that were transported down. ASCN was a good ideal. But, quite frankly, in the end it was a failure. Bob didn't cause the failure, so much as they applied the pressure that finally exposed it's failure. Promote all the 'achievements' of ASCN if you want. But if anyone wants to try to convince themselves that it wasn't a failure - well, where is it now? Funny because I dont remind you ever complaining about those problems when ascn was well and your corp was prospering. But now you and many other ex ascn'rs come in the threads knowing it all. Quote: ASCN was a good ideal. But, quite frankly, in the end it was a failure. Ideal? Maybe you meant just "deal"? It took about 2 weeks for our gangs to shrink to 5-30 people in Paragon Soul, out of all the crowd filling their mouth with "the vision of a 0.0 empire" and all the hype on the civis board ... but it seems they everyone found out how to go back to filling their pockets alredy - Gob
Knubbins McGee Duck Farts	Posted - 2007.02.02 00:33:00 - [370] Originally by: Skilo Why can't someone just enters a game and, inside games rules, have fun doing whatever he wants to do? I'm sorry, but coming from a BoB member this is the most hypocritical thing I think I've ever read on the Eve-O forums. The members of BoB took metagaming to disgusting levels during the ASCN campaign.

Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.02 00:50:00 - [371] @ Gobbins /signed
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.02 00:56:00 - [372] Edited by: Dawn Princess on 02/02/2007 00:53:26 Originally by: Troubadour Still whining. Humble up will you. You got your ass kicked. Plain and simple. To make assumptions about how BoB members spend their real life is to show how much of a fool you are. You still lost, even after all of the trashtalking. You won't take feyth again, and if you come back to build something it will be like when SA tryed to rebuild itself, pathetic. Good Riddance. Someone from Slacker kissing BoB's ass? who ever would have thought it? What have you ever done other than run little gank squads around while running about in bob's pocket?
easei Caldari Energy.	Posted - 2007.02.02 01:15:00 - [373] "As for those that call me a fool for not cashing out with as much as I could, youÆre the reason that so many great Online titles have failed. You donÆt care about the game or the community or the players, your only looking to gratify yourself interest." OK you build 2 titans that are done christmas day this means 6 weeks beforehand they go into construction. 6 weeks Being about the same time that you lost Paragon soul. Now knowing full well that the capiatal parts could be refined and built into roughly 1200 or so battleships. Keeping in mind that not every pilot in your alliance had a battleship to fight with. But no, instead you proceed to take minerals you made your alliance mine and turn them into more of "your" personal property which you proceeded to "cash out with". 180 billion seems like a real solid number to me. This could possibly classify as one of the top alliance thefts in EVE history. Assuming this is all true and not just tinfoil hattery.
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e	Posted - 2007.02.02 03:32:00 - [374] Very nice post. Good to see a alliance with a goal and a real meaning. To bad it has to end. Maybe CCP will gain some insight from both factions (BoB and ASCN) and tweak the system. Which could be a positive outlook on things. To the BoB player who quoted "We did not hack, cheat, etc QQ". I don't believe it was in the original post that BoB "Hacked" or "Cheated". But that's just me. I can read. V i L e - Recruiting Pirates
taylor04 Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.02 04:05:00 - [375] Edited by: taylor04 on 02/02/2007 04:03:32 Edited by: taylor04 on 02/02/2007 04:02:36 well said cyvok, may you live on in eve history dude, i wasnt sure who to support before you shead light on ascn's purpose... BoB would win any froum smackin tourney's we all know this, so far in the north they have ran from fleets matching there own, have a great life outside eve and i hope everything works out for you dude... now i dare BoB to make an attempt for the north, lets seem what your made off BoB cause im not impressee with you or your stabb loving loggofski so called friends MC and FIX.. with respect cyvok(anyone can kill titan when its logged off)(no respect earned in that kill) taylor
Arctic Ice Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.02 04:09:00 - [376] Respect Cyvok just got to love the way BoB love to smack everything that comes their way on the forums. Im sure that the North is ready for you and is eageryly waiting for you to bring the capitals
taylor04 Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.02 04:16:00 - [377] Originally by: taylor04 Edited by: taylor04 on 02/02/2007 04:03:32 Edited by: taylor04 on 02/02/2007 04:02:36 well said cyvok, may you live on in eve history dude, i wasnt sure who to support before you shead light on ascn's purpose... BoB would win any froum smackin tourney's we all know this, so far in the north they have ran from fleets matching there own, have a great life outside eve and i hope everything works out for you dude... now i dare BoB to make an attempt for the north, lets seem what your made off BoB cause im not impressed with you or your stabb loving loggofski so called friends MC and FIX.. with respect cyvok(anyone can kill titan when its logged off)(no respect earned in that kill) taylor
Cassiuss Minmatar STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.02.02 05:31:00 - [378] GL CYVOK, your were an excellent leader. Despite the harsh citizims from some of EvEs worst. We who were in ASCN know what you did for our alliance. Myself and those in STK will always be fond of those times in ASCN. Congrats and GL. /Cass
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.02.02 07:09:00 - [379] I for one spent every single peice of isk I had for the war. I never had enough to afford a bs. I had even bought ships and resold them for up to 10mil isk cheaper. Throughout an entire war, when my ship was destroyed, did I see even 1 isk come toward me to help replace it? Never. I will admit I was never the best pvper in ascn. Hell, I will even go forward and say I might have been one of the worst. But, I had never pvped before this war, and, would openly fly into a battle where I had a better chance of dieing. Grendal, in particular I 1 v 1ed with him on a few occasions, and was more than happy to lose a ship to a better pvper, each time learning faults. So, when I flew back for a new ship, would I get help from any of CLS's leaders? I never expected it, I fully expected that I would have to fund it for my self. 2 months in I was out of isk, out of spirit and, something I find incredibly embarassing for CLS, was on their killboard under TOP KILLERS OF ALL TIME. Fighting for the rest of CLS and ASCN who wouldn't lift a finger to help me! That's the moment I decided to leave ASCN. 3ppt was fun. BoB's anchoring and onlineing of a pos.. Tried to tear that down immediately. I was one of the first there, and took control of the rag tag gang there. For the ?half-hour? it takes for the pos to online, we got somewhere around 5 bs's and for the last 5 minutes a carrier. A SINGLE CAPITAL SHIP, no dreads to destroy and unarmed undefended pos. Well, at least corp chat would give me a laugh. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618
Jimblob Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.02 07:48:00 - [380] Edited by: Jimblob on 02/02/2007 07:51:54 My experience on the BoB v ASCN war:- The 5 Stages of Receiving Catastrophic News DENIAL --- What's the first thing you do? You try to start a gang again! And again. You may check to make sure the alliance channel is actually working, then corp chat. then you try again. ANGER --- "I don't believe it we've got 6 billion people on this planet and i've managed to form a gang of 7 people to defend our capital, 5 of them are docked in shuttles" BARGAINING --- "I will give you ships to fly if you'll just come to help defend" DEPRESSION --- "Oh God, what am I going to do. We're going to lose this system. I give up. My income is at risk and I don't really care any more. What's the use". ACCEPTANCE --- "Ok. It's dead. Guess I had better move on and enjoy the game. Someone told me lvl 4 missions made good isk." T = To accept the reality of the loss E = Experience the pain of the loss A = Adjust to the new environment without the lost object R = Reinvest in the new reality ASCN was fun, it's gone now. The new reality is slightly better than the old reality for me. Corp chat still a laugh, fewer people trying to kill me, no refining tax, can place mineral buy orders whenever i want, access to everything i need on the market without having to fly 17 jumps, not paying billions for access to 0.0 space (hahahahaha etc). Focus on the silver linings or your judgement becomes clouded.

Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.02 07:51:00 - [381] Originally by: CYVOK Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. Oki fought both ascn and bob, And their is one big diffrence, BoB play for pvp, they will fight on even numbers, or even outnumberd for the sake off fun, I dont care off defending bob, or anny party in this game usaly as they are all my targets. But i got to say, u big alliance leaders, by knowing what u say, and how u act. Im glad that u left CYVOK, The stupididy off big alliance and their abo****ly stupid statments are bad for this game, "lets not fight, lets blob". And when ur worthless blobs fail to take down a battle hardned force u blame them for doing stuff they aint. Fact is, blobers die in eve. Bob aint a blober they have proven this before. Ascn on otherhand have always been a blober, And u died, And so will the rest off the big alliancens in this game. So when u ppl learn that numbers not matther, skill does. U might actully learn to play the game "thats is my tought to all big alliances".
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.02.02 07:55:00 - [382] Originally by: Jimblob My experience on the last 3 months of ascn :- The 5 Stages of Receiving Catastrophic News DENIAL --- What's the first thing you do? You try to start a gang again! And again. You may check to make sure the alliance channel is actually working, then corp chat. then you try again. ANGER --- "I don't believe it we've got 6 billion people on this planet and i've managed to form a gang of 7 people to defend our capital, 5 of them are docked in shuttles" BARGAINING --- "I will give you ships to fly if you'll just come to help defend" DEPRESSION --- "Oh God, what am I going to do. We're going to lose this system. I give up. My income is at risk and I don't really care any more. What's the use". ACCEPTANCE --- "Ok. It's dead. Guess I had better move on and enjoy the game. Someone told me lvl 4 missions made good isk." T = To accept the reality of the loss E = Experience the pain of the loss A = Adjust to the new environment without the lost object R = Reinvest in the new reality ASCN was fun, it's gone now. The new reality is slightly better than the old reality for me. Corp chat still a laugh, fewer people trying to kill me, no refining tax, can place mineral buy orders whenever i want, access to everything i need on the market without having to fly 17 jumps. Focus on the silver linings or your judgement becomes clouded. Woohoo my favorite CLS member, thanks for the help in 3ppt. It had a good run, now can we shoot this horse and end its misery? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.02 08:14:00 - [383] Originally by: Mindlles Originally by: CYVOK Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. Oki fought both ascn and bob, And their is one big diffrence, BoB play for pvp, they will fight on even numbers, or even outnumberd for the sake off fun, I dont care off defending bob, or anny party in this game usaly as they are all my targets. But i got to say, u big alliance leaders, by knowing what u say, and how u act. Im glad that u left CYVOK, The stupididy off big alliance and their abo****ly stupid statments are bad for this game, "lets not fight, lets blob". And when ur worthless blobs fail to take down a battle hardned force u blame them for doing stuff they aint. Fact is, blobers die in eve. Bob aint a blober they have proven this before. Ascn on otherhand have always been a blober, And u died, And so will the rest off the big alliancens in this game. So when u ppl learn that numbers not matther, skill does. U might actully learn to play the game "thats is my tought to all big alliances". I dont understand why you are so glad of Cyvok leaving. I really dont know much about eve history, and how ASCN was born, but I know what he has created. Right or wrong he created a alliance that made things in EVE, all the outpost network in the south, the 1st Titan built, I can go on and on. ASCN became part of EVE history, and in big part, they have earned that "right" because of Cyvok. Not everyone is capable of that, even if they try hard. You need to have charisma for that. Is always sad when veteran players are quitting the game, when they leave, EVE dies a bit. Dont resume ASCN to "they were blobers, with lack of pvp hability", that is just wrong and short sighted. In years people will still talk about ASCN. One of the biggest alliances EVE knew. They lived in the south, they were bad at PVP but wonderfull at making things. RIP ASCN Well done Cyvok
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.02 08:19:00 - [384] Yes deadduck, They where one off eves biggest alliances ever. Wich is good. Seeing a veteran in eve leave, does it really matther ppl do it all the time. I had a very good oldtimer leave just a couple days ago, i rather leave my pity for that. Seing a veteran leave and say "bob only gank" makes me very sad, specilly when it comes from a guy that gives the order - dont fight, blob. Then when realies his blob is worthless becouse they never got proper fights, he blame bob off someitng they dont only do. So seeing him leave, and lose his titan only make me happy =). If u read outbreak corps information u see also why it makes me happy, "some kinda off RP", =)
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 09:04:00 - [385] Originally by: DrAtomic It saddens me to see the disrespectfull BoB posts in this thread. The war is over, you won, there is no further need for propaganda. It is kinda hard to respect after all the RL insults, and now, in the ASCN's last post, it still keeps going on. I don't really mind getting my character flamed, but when it gets to the personal level, then there's something wrong. However, there's too much flaming in this thread already, so all I'm gonna say is 'Good luck in whatever you do CYVOK'. -- Listen to Club BNC on BoB Radio. Visit our website for schedules.
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2007.02.02 09:56:00 - [386] I just read CYVOK's post and it makes me sick. You still try to make us out as a bunch of no-life quake kids to make up for the enormous asskicking you and your alliance have gotten. If you can't live with the fact that some people are better than you, then I suggest you lock yourself in your own bassment where you can play king of the world. You are nothing, your legacy is worth nothing. Get out of this game! --------------------
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.02 10:25:00 - [387] Godspeed Cyvok Requiem in Terra Pax Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Cown Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.02.02 10:40:00 - [388] Very nicely written and i agree on most of your points.
Ghitza Backup Squad	Posted - 2007.02.02 11:03:00 - [389] Edited by: Ghitza on 02/02/2007 11:07:17 Edited by: Ghitza on 02/02/2007 11:02:30 Originally by: Gungankllr Everyone just move on with your lives. Neither BoB nor ASCN has anything to prove to anyone, and frankly, nobody cares anymore. Why noobody? Look at all those BoB posters and other guys They HAVE TO write here something and ppl like me enjoying their clown show everyday, just remembering nicks I dont care about what anyone of them says, im laughing at their face. Some ppl posts constructive posts but rest is crap. To stay on topic... I agree that ASCN acomplished something in many ways and categories of gameplay. Was talking to few ppl from there benefited from this alliance a lot. Its over, time to move along, no big deal.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 11:07:00 - [390] Edited by: fire 59 on 02/02/2007 11:10:12 Originally by: Knubbins McGee Originally by: Skilo Why can't someone just enters a game and, inside games rules, have fun doing whatever he wants to do? I'm sorry, but coming from a BoB member this is the most hypocritical thing I think I've ever read on the Eve-O forums. The members of BoB took metagaming to disgusting levels during the ASCN campaign. Please tell me which set of bs and lies you are referring to. We played within the rule's and fought hard. You haven't a ***** clue what you are talking about, don't remember seeing you in the field so what are you basing your factual evidence on, hmmmm It's dip**'s like you taling bollox about something that didn't involve you/you know anything about that get's me. I feel no sadness for his leaving, simply because of all the lies and bs he said about my corp and alliance. Flame us in a closing alliance post and expect us to welcome with open arms. Hello, this is earth, doesn't work like that you moron.

Kanoubi Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.02 11:13:00 - [391] Originally by: Bizarre I just read CYVOK's post and it makes me sick. You still try to make us out as a bunch of no-life quake kids to make up for the enormous asskicking you and your alliance have gotten. If you can't live with the fact that some people are better than you, then I suggest you lock yourself in your own bassment where you can play king of the world. You are nothing, your legacy is worth nothing. Get out of this game! Don't you live by your name ... Bizarre. your post say it all.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.02 11:56:00 - [392] I'm pretty new to the game, but I've followed the politics for a long time through third parties and other sites before starting in EVE. I just wanted to drop in and say, goodbye Cyvok. It's a shame it didn't hold up, but /salute to all that you did, and goodluck. You got farther than anyone else has to this point. To the other side, congratulations on your victory. But I leave you with a couple of quotes which I doubt you'll take seriously, but just want to put on the record. They will come back to you before the end, I assure you. Because empires crumble - there are no exceptions. "Things fall apart. The center does not hold." -- Yates And a couple from the Latin, from Roman times: "Memento Mori", and "Sic transit gloria" Happy flying to all.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 12:39:00 - [393] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke I'm pretty new to the game, but I've followed the politics for a long time through third parties and other sites before starting in EVE. I just wanted to drop in and say, goodbye Cyvok. It's a shame it didn't hold up, but /salute to all that you did, and goodluck. You got farther than anyone else has to this point. To the other side, congratulations on your victory. But I leave you with a couple of quotes which I doubt you'll take seriously, but just want to put on the record. They will come back to you before the end, I assure you. Because empires crumble - there are no exceptions. "Things fall apart. The center does not hold." -- Yates And a couple from the Latin, from Roman times: "Memento Mori", and "Sic transit gloria" Happy flying to all. Those quote's are all well and good but empires can last for 100's/1000's of year's. No doubt, it is possible that BoB's time will pass but as long as the lust for combat burn's bright, i don't see it ending anytime soon imo.
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 13:24:00 - [394] Originally by: taylor04 so far in the north they have ran from fleets matching there own, taylor So i guess Sunday the 28th of January has been erased from your memory for obvious reasons eh? Pain is meant to be felt
Flashheart Caldari Solar Storm X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.02 14:32:00 - [395] Good luck and fair winds to all ex-ASCN'rs wherever they end up. My time in ASCN was the most enjoyable in my Eve career, and I'm proud to have been involved. Great people, great times, unfortunatly the game becomes more about morale destruction using any method (no matter how unsavoury) each day, pretty sad when a 'game' objective is to kill other players will to play.
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.02 14:41:00 - [396] Let's get one thing straight here: Market was not guilty for the downfall of ASCN. It was THE best market 0.0 has ever seen and i dare say will see in the future. It rivaled empire markets although we could not get saturation we had multiple sellers of vaste majority of T1 and T2 items all the time. Prices were a bit elevated but the ability to make isk is also far greater in 0.0 than empire. When i took over T2 distribution i put up a thread on ASCN market and BoBos can confirm that with their database dumps they have of our forums. Anyone who wanted cheap T2 stuff was able to buy it at 30%-80% lower price than the price in Jita. So don't even try to substantiate your claims as to why ASCN ceased to exist by saying the T2 people ****** everyone over because we did not. T2 department poured tens of billions of isk into various corps in ASCN. Let me say it again: Market both T1 and T2 was one of the bset things in ASCN and to lay a blame on that is similar to say that all BoBos suck at pvp. It's not true. There were both positive and negative as there are good and bad Bobo pvpers. But there were waaaaaay more positive than negative and we kept most of market gougers in check preety well. Now to all those that will start saying that there never were any 1400's available, never had not 425mm rails available. All 1400's went into ASCN. Production however could not keep up with consumption. You need to look at yourself for not stocking up. Although we were getting our asses handed to ourseles nobody wanted to buy 1200's or 350mm rails. We got pwned in long range engagements but nobody would switch to short range pwnage to give bobos a surprize of their life. Unavailability of ships and top of the line modules was not the reason ASCN fell apart. It was the thing that held us together for a few more weeks at least. Find some other dead horse to beat up. Prometheus and other people working in T2 dept did EVERYTHING we could to keep ASCN afloat. 20 people however cannot battle the two towers on their own. Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
Igorian Minmatar Privateers	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:25:00 - [397] Vipeer "We got pwned in long range engagements but nobody would switch to short range pwnage to give bobos a surprize of their life." McCreedy stated a number of times that he would kick/pod anyone using short range weapons...he insisted on only long range. Many of us tried to speak to that on the forums but were treated like crap as a result...management style FTL. The T1 and T2 market was fabulous and should never be used a reason for the downfall. cheers Igorain
Knubbins McGee Duck Farts	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:49:00 - [398] Originally by: fire 59 Edited by: fire 59 on 02/02/2007 11:10:12 Originally by: Knubbins McGee Originally by: Skilo Why can't someone just enters a game and, inside games rules, have fun doing whatever he wants to do? I'm sorry, but coming from a BoB member this is the most hypocritical thing I think I've ever read on the Eve-O forums. The members of BoB took metagaming to disgusting levels during the ASCN campaign. Please tell me which set of bs and lies you are referring to. We played within the rule's and fought hard. You haven't a ***** clue what you are talking about, don't remember seeing you in the field so what are you basing your factual evidence on, hmmmm It's dip*'s like you taling bollox about something that didn't involve you/you know anything about that get's me. I feel no sadness for his leaving, simply because of all the lies and bs he said about my corp and alliance. Flame us in a closing alliance post and expect us to welcome with open arms. Hello, this is earth, doesn't work like that you moron. LOL touched a nerve, did I? Simply put, people would respect BoB MUCH more if they did what Skilo (ironically a BoB member) said: JUST log in to the game and have fun. Instead you guys take metagaming to the extreme: Forum spam, trying to discredit other people using alts on forums, leaking internal memos from private message boards, etc etc etc ad nauseum -- none of which are IN GAME MECHANICS. Even though I called Skilo and the rest of BoB 'hypocrits' I didn't call them "***** dip pieces of dripping ass** hypocrits". I kept it civil, unlike the majority of posters under the BoB tag in this thread. The sad part is it isn't even just this thread that you guys do this in.. Is your lack of civility supposed to engender respect from others? Your antics in metagaming completely overshadow any ingame accomplishments you achieve, which is sad because you guys ARE definately aces in the game..
Sexual Chocolate Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:56:00 - [399] This thread needs more flames, nawz, wings, and type-r stickers.
Havras The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:22:00 - [400] Originally by: Igorian Vipeer "We got pwned in long range engagements but nobody would switch to short range pwnage to give bobos a surprize of their life." McCreedy stated a number of times that he would kick/pod anyone using short range weapons...he insisted on only long range. Many of us tried to speak to that on the forums but were treated like crap as a result...management style FTL. The T1 and T2 market was fabulous and should never be used a reason for the downfall. cheers Igorain This is pretty much true. We were hamstrung by our own High Command. We kept getting told to get out there and lead fleets, come up with plans etc etc... You can't do that, however, if you don't get the support you need from those higher in the chain of command. The most you could accomplish is get a gank squad together that way. Many many of us put tactically solid plans together for dealing with the long or short range BOB fleets. That didn't sit well with certain leaders in ASCN who only wanted to engage on BOB's terms trying to beat them with their own tactics. Hard to do when you don't have as many T2 gun capable pilots as the opposition. Why didn't these plans get used? Unfortunately they used "outside the box" thinking, before someone says it... No... "outside the box" does not mean lame tactics or exploits, it means they were very adaptable to most given situations.

Milonia Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:57:00 - [401] Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. Kudos to this poster right here. You are 100% right. As a new player who is on the sidelines watching all this unfold, I have a bad taste in my mouth about a game I was initially excited about. What a sad thing to happen to such a great game. ============================== Milonia Combat Pilot of the ACV Acadia (Moa) I'm new so be nice! "Talent is a gift... training opens the Box."
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:39:00 - [402] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 02/02/2007 18:38:54 Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 02/02/2007 18:37:32 Originally by: Milonia Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. Kudos to this poster right here. You are 100% right. As a new player who is on the sidelines watching all this unfold, I have a bad taste in my mouth about a game I was initially excited about. What a sad thing to happen to such a great game. Next time i engage someone..i will do it blindfolded...just so you get a chance... BoB Won because they had the tenacity, ressources and the knowledge. They attacked..conqured and won the day... Its how the game is supposed to be played. ASCN sat on their behind got fat, never drilled, and when it came to a war..they lost...because they where not prepared. ASCN died...just as Xetic did, no lessons where learned. I once had a sig...it deleted
Knubbins McGee Duck Farts	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:05:00 - [403] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Quote: Kudos to this poster right here. You are 100% right. As a new player who is on the sidelines watching all this unfold, I have a bad taste in my mouth about a game I was initially excited about. What a sad thing to happen to such a great game. Next time i engage someone..i will do it blindfolded...just so you get a chance... BoB Won because they had the tenacity, ressources and the knowledge. They attacked..conqured and won the day... Its how the game is supposed to be played. ASCN sat on their behind got fat, never drilled, and when it came to a war..they lost...because they where not prepared. ASCN died...just as Xetic did, no lessons where learned. Uhm, no one is denying that BoB won. People are simply stating that they don't think BoB won gracefully. What playing blindfolded has to do with who/what you quoted is lost on me..
Milonia Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:14:00 - [404] Edited by: Milonia on 02/02/2007 19:11:21 Originally by: Knubbins McGee Uhm, no one is denying that BoB won. People are simply stating that they don't think BoB won gracefully. What playing blindfolded has to do with who/what you quoted is lost on me..[/quote Exactly what I am saying. What did the pilots of ASCN learn? When you are on top there is always going to be someone that wants to take you down. So ASCN wasn't prepared to defend themselves agains the superior forces of BoB? I don't know... I'm new but that seems to be the case from all I read. However, for all that some people in ASCN worked so hard and so long on to have it all taken down is part of EVE. But in no case does it do any good to rub that person face in it if you do defeat them. The one thing you cannot buy in this game is respect. If you go around being a poor sport (yes a winner can be a poor winner) and making spiteful comments then you will lose respect. That comment is going to make you lose repsect with many people. I don't care about your PvP abilities or how uber you are. That doesn't make me respect you. Being respectful yourself is what garners respect. Empires will rise and fall but respect (or lack of it) will ALWAYS remain. ============================== Milonia Combat Pilot of the ACV Acadia (Moa) I'm new so be nice! "Talent is a gift... training opens the Box."
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:08:00 - [405] Originally by: taylor04 Edited by: taylor04 on 02/02/2007 04:03:32 Edited by: taylor04 on 02/02/2007 04:02:36 well said cyvok, may you live on in eve history dude, i wasnt sure who to support before you shead light on ascn's purpose... BoB would win any froum smackin tourney's we all know this, so far in the north they have ran from fleets matching there own, have a great life outside eve and i hope everything works out for you dude... now i dare BoB to make an attempt for the north, lets seem what your made off BoB cause im not impressee with you or your stabb loving loggofski so called friends MC and FIX.. with respect cyvok(anyone can kill titan when its logged off)(no respect earned in that kill) taylor You are a complete liar. There was one occasion where your gang was setup for close range ando ur's was full fleet that we danced with for abit but you wouldn't fall into our trap and we wouldn't fall into your's. It's moron's like you who will create bad blood, talking crap and blatantly lying. Did we run from iron in ec with equal fleet's? Did we run from MM and iron fleet of equal (actually they were bigger ) fleet's? Sorry if it sound's derogatory to those parties, i have a load more respect for you as entities after recent event's but idiot's like captain chromosone here need to get there fact's right Slagging off fix and Mc just make's you look like a bitter moron becasue both have prved themselve's on the field. You are just drowning in your own bull****
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:19:00 - [406] Originally by: Knubbins McGee Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Quote: Kudos to this poster right here. You are 100% right. As a new player who is on the sidelines watching all this unfold, I have a bad taste in my mouth about a game I was initially excited about. What a sad thing to happen to such a great game. Next time i engage someone..i will do it blindfolded...just so you get a chance... BoB Won because they had the tenacity, ressources and the knowledge. They attacked..conqured and won the day... Its how the game is supposed to be played. ASCN sat on their behind got fat, never drilled, and when it came to a war..they lost...because they where not prepared. ASCN died...just as Xetic did, no lessons where learned. Uhm, no one is denying that BoB won. People are simply stating that they don't think BoB won gracefully. What playing blindfolded has to do with who/what you quoted is lost on me.. I can see why most people not involved would think that we weren't graceful etc, but, there was alot of bad blood in that conflict which becasme very personal. We were demonised as hacking, cheating log off trapper's, livin in mum's basement, metagaming (btw spying is part of the game ) cs quake kiddie's with no life etc. You can't expect people to hug other people who have spent an entire war lying about you. The propoganda people speak of that bob used was cold, hard fact's, later admiited by ascn as correct, as in the post's on they need to sort out there hc and even a whole host of thing's they could do to improve/possibly win, but was hailed as propoganda even though it was true People get blinded with hatred because of the bob tag, instantly regarding whatever is said as lie's or spin or whatever keyword is the flavour of the month. Just enjoy the game i say
TOTALHELLDEATH	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:24:00 - [407] Originally by: fire 59 I can see why most people not involved would think that we weren't graceful etc, but, there was alot of bad blood in that conflict which becasme very personal. We were demonised as hacking, cheating log off trapper's, livin in mum's basement, metagaming (btw spying is part of the game ) cs quake kiddie's with no life etc. BUUUUUUHHH !!!! BUUUUUUUHHHHHH !!! KUNGUSTUCRAP HAXT OUR FORUM !!! HE IS BAAAD !!! BUUUUUUUHHHH!!!!
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:25:00 - [408] Originally by: TOTALHELLDEATH Originally by: fire 59 I can see why most people not involved would think that we weren't graceful etc, but, there was alot of bad blood in that conflict which becasme very personal. We were demonised as hacking, cheating log off trapper's, livin in mum's basement, metagaming (btw spying is part of the game ) cs quake kiddie's with no life etc. BUUUUUUHHH !!!! BUUUUUUUHHHHHH !!! KUNGUSTUCRAP HAXT OUR FORUM !!! HE IS BAAAD !!! BUUUUUUUHHHH!!!! I think your very brave to post in non character alt, we all admire your bravery on the intraweb . Didn't particually cry about it, just increased security measures, but you would know that coming from an npc corp yeah?
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:28:00 - [409] Edited by: fire 59 on 03/02/2007 10:24:58 Edit - oop's, forum had a kefuffle for me there
TOTALHELLDEATH	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:29:00 - [410] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: TOTALHELLDEATH Originally by: fire 59 I can see why most people not involved would think that we weren't graceful etc, but, there was alot of bad blood in that conflict which becasme very personal. We were demonised as hacking, cheating log off trapper's, livin in mum's basement, metagaming (btw spying is part of the game ) cs quake kiddie's with no life etc. BUUUUUUHHH !!!! BUUUUUUUHHHHHH !!! KUNGUSTUCRAP HAXT OUR FORUM !!! HE IS BAAAD !!! BUUUUUUUHHHH!!!! I think your very brave to post in non character alt, we all admire your bravery on the intraweb . Didn't particually cry about it, just increased security measures, but you would know that coming from an npc corp yeah? All your tears make my food so much salty ;-(

fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:30:00 - [411] Edited by: fire 59 on 03/02/2007 10:28:42 Edited by: fire 59 on 03/02/2007 10:27:13 Originally by: TOTALHELLDEATH Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: TOTALHELLDEATH Originally by: fire 59 I can see why most people not involved would think that we weren't graceful etc, but, there was alot of bad blood in that conflict which becasme very personal. We were demonised as hacking, cheating log off trapper's, livin in mum's basement, metagaming (btw spying is part of the game ) cs quake kiddie's with no life etc. BUUUUUUHHH !!!! BUUUUUUUHHHHHH !!! KUNGUSTUCRAP HAXT OUR FORUM !!! HE IS BAAAD !!! BUUUUUUUHHHH!!!! I think your very brave to post in non character alt, we all admire your bravery on the intraweb . Didn't particually cry about it, just increased security measures, but you would know that coming from an npc corp yeah? All your tears make my food so much salty ;-( Lol, tear's of laughter tbfh. Edit - lol@you This will be my last response to your trolling becasue you are an ill informed moron and i don't want to detract from the thread which has it's place
Lightof God Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2007.02.03 15:02:00 - [412] My heart goes out to you CYVOK you built something that will most likely never be constructed again in eve it is a pity that it fell to BoB. Kudos to you CYVOK, and BoB come on gents that was somewhat of a lame gank for people who talk about their honor you really have little.
Sentar Manar Amarr NailorTech Industries Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 15:24:00 - [413] Hey CYVOK. When I was bouncing around in Domain I saw one Judgement superweapon for sale there. It stands to reason to me that one of the Titans you are looking for was decomissioned and its parts sold, by whom I don't know. Also its possible that that Pilot is in Domain because there have been a lot of Capital weapons for sale there Including a Carrier and Deadnaughts. Thaught I would throw that possiblility out to you. Fly Safe. Sentar Manar of Curse
General Unpleasantness Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.03 15:52:00 - [414] Edited by: General Unpleasantness on 03/02/2007 15:51:15 Edited by: General Unpleasantness on 03/02/2007 15:50:08 @Fire59 That's 3 or 4 times now you have resorted to name calling.If you are unable to post here without childish insults I suggest you stfu!Please. you can take the kid out of Quake but you cant take the Quake out the kid! "You can take the Kiddie out of Quake but you cant take the Quake out of the Kiddie"
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.03 17:41:00 - [415] Originally by: Sexual Chocolate This thread needs more flames, nawz, wings, and type-r stickers. best post so far. no more 2f2f for you
Nadija The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.02.03 17:55:00 - [416] Karma is the propper word wot happend to ASCN.... They screwed over Tribe & so someone came & screwed them MY SIG BANNER GALLERY
Tainos Mayven Omni Gestalt	Posted - 2007.02.03 18:09:00 - [417] Is this the thread where I sign up for 8 free t2 BPO's?
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.02.03 18:44:00 - [418] Originally by: Nadija Karma is the propper word wot happend to ASCN.... They screwed over Tribe & so someone came & screwed them Tribe screwed themselves. ASCN screwed themselves with BoB's assistance!
Myz Toyou the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:24:00 - [419] Edited by: Myz Toyou on 03/02/2007 19:21:13 Edited by: Myz Toyou on 03/02/2007 19:20:34 Originally by: Tainos Is this the thread where I sign up for 8 free t2 BPO's? Sry to say Sir but they spawn only in Delve ! CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:57:00 - [420] Edited by: Avon on 03/02/2007 22:55:47 I have no doubt that they guy who plays CYVOK is a really good bloke, and I can understand some of the bitterness he still feels. Maybe he understands a little of how we felt when he an his spin-masters were trying to paint us (and I guess he still is) as social misfits who play Eve 23/7, and aim only to ruin other's fun. I will refrain from entering in to a debate about those issues however, it doesn't seem right in this thread. ASCN was a good alliance, and maybe with a little more internal respect and honesty (from the top down) they still would have been. Salute to those who fought hard to protect the dream they had lived, and the Empire they had built. An impressive feat. The outpost network will live on, and I guess it will always stand as a testiment to those who dedicated themselves to contructing it. There are lessons that can be taken away from this. I don't think the ASCN dream is actually fundamentally flawed as some seem to think, it just needs a little polish, and maybe a revised leadership structure. GL in the future to CYVOK, and to all those who flew their dream (but not the horrible free-loaders .. grr). The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur

fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.04 00:22:00 - [421] Originally by: General Unpleasantness Edited by: General Unpleasantness on 03/02/2007 15:57:41 Edited by: General Unpleasantness on 03/02/2007 15:51:15 Edited by: General Unpleasantness on 03/02/2007 15:50:08 @Fire59 That's 3 or 4 times now you have resorted to name calling.If you are unable to post here without childish insults I suggest you stfu!Please. "You can take the Kiddie out of Quake but you cant take the Quake out of the Kiddie" Excuse me, but when someone name call's and troll's, im gonna do it back, don't like it, go play flower picker 3000. Seeing as it involve's me, im entitled to my opinion on the matter, unlike yourself tbfh. How come your not commenting on the troll iresponded to, didn't notice that huh, ot he one's before huh. Sad tbh, you're blinded by your own ignorance, and your quake comment in your sig say's more about yourselfthan anyone else tbh
ignisgunner Minmatar Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.04 03:59:00 - [422] wow this topic is about useless started with a bunch of flaming and just spun out of control into more flaming.....persoannly i play eve because it seemed to be a more matrue adult orienteated game. why dont you all try to grow up a little and act like adults for once....now i am not talking to all. But quite a few people have demonstrated that they need to stop playing eve and go play css or something till they learn to act like adults.
Drakma Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:36:00 - [423] Originally by: fire 59 .... go play flower picker 3000. OMG That's been released!?!?! ----------------- Gekidoku is recruiting
Zy'or Tealon Caldari DarkStar 1	Posted - 2007.02.04 07:22:00 - [424] Ow please lock this thing already... Originally by: Clementina If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.04 09:04:00 - [425] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: fire 59 .... go play flower picker 3000. OMG That's been released!?!?! , hehe
Phelaen Under the Wings of Fury Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.04 09:26:00 - [426] ASCN is dead... end of story.. Your sig exceeds 24,000 bytes. Please resize it so that it is under that amount. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Drakma Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.04 09:40:00 - [427] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Drakma Originally by: fire 59 .... go play flower picker 3000. OMG That's been released!?!?! , hehe I'm in your gardenz pickin ur flowerz!! ----------------- Gekidoku is recruiting
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.04 10:06:00 - [428] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Drakma Originally by: fire 59 .... go play flower picker 3000. OMG That's been released!?!?! , hehe I'm in your gardenz pickin ur flowerz!! Lmfao, that made me laugh and my mate thought i had lost it for a moment, nice one
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.04 11:02:00 - [429] Originally by: Igorian McCreedy stated a number of times that he would kick/pod anyone using short range weapons...he insisted on only long range. The thing about McCreedy is that when it comes to blame..... he says a lot of things --
Cmdr Sp0ck Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.04 11:53:00 - [430] Originally by: taylor04 so far in the north they have ran from fleets matching there own, Dude, are you playing EVE on the same server we are? Or do you consider 2:1 or 3:1 odds "fleets matching their own"? I've been joining DICE's ops every day since we've been up here and i have not yet met a enemy fleet "matching our own". It's generally 2:1 odds against us.

killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.02.04 12:50:00 - [431] ASCN was a great ride while it lasted. But its gone now and time too move on. Same goes for this topic it has served it purpase. Don't be a great man just be a man
General Unpleasantness Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.04 13:00:00 - [432] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: General Unpleasantness Edited by: General Unpleasantness on 03/02/2007 15:57:41 Edited by: General Unpleasantness on 03/02/2007 15:51:15 Edited by: General Unpleasantness on 03/02/2007 15:50:08 @Fire59 That's 3 or 4 times now you have resorted to name calling.If you are unable to post here without childish insults I suggest you stfu!Please. "You can take the Kiddie out of Quake but you cant take the Quake out of the Kiddie" Excuse me, but when someone name call's and troll's, im gonna do it back, don't like it, go play flower picker 3000. Seeing as it involve's me, im entitled to my opinion on the matter, unlike yourself tbfh. How come your not commenting on the troll iresponded to, didn't notice that huh, ot he one's before huh. Sad tbh, you're blinded by your own ignorance, and your quake comment in your sig say's more about yourselfthan anyone else tbh If you dont like what I say I suggest YOU go play Flower picker3000.If you want to post your opinions and call people Morons that's your choice.If you feel you need to stoop to the trolls level that,again,is your choice.As for name calling and trolling-2 wrongs don't make a right!If you don't like my sig that's just too bad but you can't really do anything about it. "You can take Fire59 out of Quake but you can't take the Quake out of Fire59"

Serathu Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.04 13:04:00 - [433] The OP's statement has been made and this thread has descended into trolling and flaming. Locked. \| Forum Rules \| CAOD Rules \| CRC Website \| [email protected] \|



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