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Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:02:00 - [241] Originally by: CYVOK -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, revisionist history? You're a freaking tool. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Oridonos Miles-Thanatou The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:05:00 - [242] good luck cyvok. good job man
Elad Dranoel Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:33:00 - [243] A little more condensed version would of sufficed... Originally by: CYVOK .. The fact still remains that ASCN killed more BoB then ANY one in EvE ever has and I am sure its going to remain that way for a LONG time. Except for the fighting done during the actual war; cause no one cares about beforehand. Originally by: CYVOK ASCN fought until the reason for fighting disappeared. Which could of been: money, confidence in one's leadership, organized fleet ops. Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN give up the fight? I love to blame everyone but myself. Originally by: CYVOK ...I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. I tried to ctrl+q and CCP denied my Titan loss petition. Again I blame everyone else by myself. Originally by: CYVOK Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. I'm **ed at bob because they showed no mercy to us helpless beings and all the other carebears in this online world. Originally by:** CYVOK ...More wine and cheese here... Intermission... Originally by: CYVOK The day the Community of EvE realizes that every player in the game deserves to be respected regardless of how good or bad they are is the day EvE will dominate the OLG market. Why can't this game be like the Sims, where we could all get along in peace and harmony? Originally by: CYVOK There is nothing wrong with being respect to others. You can still kill them, but after doing so let them know what they did wrong and give them advice on how to move ahead in the game. Stupid BoB!! You're were supposed to School us after you killed us, now how are we ever going to fight back if no one teaches us how to pvp?! Originally by: CYVOK As for me personally. I love EvE, I still think itÆs the greatest game .... Except for everyone in it who doesn't obey my omnipotent commands and ingenious war strategies; or who didn't donate isk for my titan.
Ulesi Red Light Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:38:00 - [244] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it What a pirck
Echo147 E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:50:00 - [245] Edited by: Echo147 on 31/01/2007 17:47:14 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: CYVOK -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, culminating with the attack on the TRUST industrial complex in EC-P8R. LMAO xD You are either a direct liar or you are even believing your own stuff. Incredible... Thats why i never respected you as an alliance leader. And thats why ASCN died. I LOLed too Tick tock, Shepherd Molle lost his flock
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:51:00 - [246] Originally by: CYVOK -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, And you are still wondering why you don't get any sympathy from the north? At least be honest for once and admit that without BoB ASCN would have fallen a lot earlier to GIRON forces.
DR L337 Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:53:00 - [247] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it zero class... show some respect, cause even though ASCN lost against you they put up a fight. you fail. -10 man points. ___________________________________ I ART IN THINE ABODE BANGING THINE MUM
Julius Arcanum	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:57:00 - [248] Originally by: Ulesi Edited by: Ulesi on 31/01/2007 17:36:04 Edited by: Ulesi on 31/01/2007 17:35:59 Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it What a ***** qft, no need for that. die in a fire.
Igorian Minmatar Privateers	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:04:00 - [249] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN get defeated? The bottom line is very simple, BoB had more fighters that understood how to fight in the worst game mechanics I have seen since EvE was in Beta!! [...] Why did ASCN give up the fight? Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple. [...] Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. -CYVOK- Right enough with the bollox. 1. ASCN got stomped because you deliberately choose to avoid any war so we could be ready for Kali, even at the cost of losing more and more pvpers (by your own admirssion) and the result was a player base that hasnt had a single fleet fight in the last 6 months. 2. When choosing who should have filled your power vacuum when you were busy in RL you choose the two people with the biggest egoes in ascn: McCreedy and Drakma, resulting in long painfull hours just trying to deal with command. 3. For month the few pvpers of ascn have been asking to use our wealth (the 3x 10/10 plexes, the large set of t2 bpos, the refinery taxes) to make the alliance more attractive for other pvpers to join. At no point there was a program to get cheaper stuff to pvpers than to random dudes of the alliance except for the very end when Prometheus (respect to the man) apparently started cashing out of his own pockets to provide cheap t2 ships. 4. The CEOs. In the end, with no big wars for so many months keeping the corps stuck together, it was clear the CEOs were not ready to trust and work with each other - and that is what really put the last nail in the coffin in the war because all of a sudden there was 10 people in gang defending paragon soul, even when the regular pvpers where online. And when you asked those pvpers why they wer roaming on their own instead of joining the defence gangs you'd be told they were sick of the general noobishness of the mixed ascn gangs and that they wud be more efficient in their corp only gangs roaming around. CYVOK: I think you are one of the best leaders of eve, but you made a few mistakes and should accept them imho. - Gob QFT Cyvok - You had a very good talent for building an industrial giant in 0.0 and you are admired for that by all...however, unfortunately you are sounding more and more like McCreedy...you gain no respect by blaming others and honour comes from being honest - with yourself and others. ASCN was doomed as soon as you gave it to McCreedy to run into the ground. I know you gave it to him because he was willing to put in the time, but unfortunately you didn't realize what a disasterous impact he would have as a leader (in management, military, morale and simply dealing civily with people)...and that is your fault...and ultimately your worst mistake. R. lighten up and have fun again...its a game remember!
Nitroviper The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:05:00 - [250] Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN get defeated? We fought the best we could under the circumstances for 3 months. NO other organization in EvE that BoB has attacked has lasted even 3 weeks. ASCN fought until the reason for fighting disappeared. -CYVOK- CYVOK WRONG! PA fought BoB for 10 months solid in the great northern war get the facts right. Todays alliance its true dont last more than a few months and you have fallen victim to the BoB machine GL
konkord eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:44:00 - [251] Originally by: Blacklight To the OP. Sure ASCN did some great things but it was fundamentally flawed on several levels. It's right for you to mention the positive things in a final outgoing post and it's right that both those achievements and your part in them be recognised. You did some great things in building infrastructure in 0.0 on a scale that was groundbreaking at the time. However, not admitting that there were fundamental errors made by yourself and your appointed deputies at the same time devalues the whole purpose of your post. Hell, all you had to say was "in retrospect we did x, y and z wrong, BoB used those weaknesses against us, good game to them for doing so, next time I'll do things a little differently". There's enough ASCN both in this thread and in others that have freely admitted what went wrong, why and who had the greater part in being the cause of those mistakes. There's no need to go into detail about them but command structure, individuals put into positions beyond their abilities, recruitment standards, lack of PvP focus, inability to retain quality players all spring to mind and yet are not acknowledged. Why not, rather than just accuse your opponents of a miriad of personal and frankly untrue faults, acknowledge some of your own? I know it's difficult to accept you made mistakes and so you fall back on the same old nonsense that was spouted all throughout the war with us. To be honest it's all way too personal from the inclusion of what was going on in RL for you at the time (which any of us with any sense of perspective or empathy would sympathise with you about but has no place here) to the following paragraph which beyond all others indicates that you've a long way to go in coming to terms with what happened and take it all way too seriously.. Quote: As for me, I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. If the players in BoB want to define their existence by how ôgreatö they are in EvE, that is their decision. But it does not make them better people them myself or those that built ASCN, that decision is made in RL, not in a game. As for the peanut gallery throwing stones at BoB and being self righteously indignant because a lot of the BoB guys are flaming the OP, why are you really surprised and are you all such saints that you can turn the other cheek? Read the post again and to put it into the context of all the accusations made against BoB during the war everything from the sad state of our RL lifestyles to accusations of cheating and worse. There is no wonder some of the guys feel aggrieved enough to flame and not just turn the other cheek. Returning to the OP, it's a great shame that the you missed an opportunity to give a final word and regain some dignity by showing you'd recovered some perspective. I sincerely hope that you learn to enjoy Eve again and some day get your head around what really happened and why, rather than spending the rest of your gaming career feeling bitter about it. I sincerely hope that I get to bump into you at another fanfest so I can buy you a beer and have a chat, I think it would be enlightening to both of us and I know I'd be very happy to do it. In all seriousness good luck, best wishes and bury the hatchet for goodness sake. This post makes me respect BoB that little bit more. ---------------------- Nubtard
Eutectic Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:45:00 - [252] Wow mind blowing OP. I guess delusions soften the blow or something for you Cyvok. For those wondering why ASCN got little or no outside help, I think the content of the OP sums it up quite well. Who the heck would ever want to help someone with an attitude like that. The ideal of ASCN was grand and to be admired and what they accomplished is not to be dismissed, it's truly a shame it's sullied by the drivel and outright lies in the OP. ASCN has plenty to be proud of, why claim things that are simply not true?
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:46:00 - [253] Originally by: Nira Li Edited by: Nira Li on 31/01/2007 05:08:42 Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. You eat what you sow. It's as simple as that. Oh and this is a game, don't forget that. Yeah, I think the bit about it being a game, and sportsmanship was the point he was making, and that you didn't get, or your parents never taught you. Bulabuba made the only useful post in this entire thread. And he's dead on. Everything else in this thread is either Cyvok digging up the rotting bones of the dead horse for one last kick, or the internet special olympians and their friends taking their last shots. For god's sake, just give it up already. You're making this forum even more tedious than usual.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:56:00 - [254] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Yeah, I think the bit about it being a game, and sportsmanship was the point he was making, and that you didn't get, or your parents never taught you. Bulabuba made the only useful post in this entire thread. And he's dead on. Everything else in this thread is either Cyvok digging up the rotting bones of the dead horse for one last kick, or the internet special olympians and their friends taking their last shots. For god's sake, just give it up already. You're making this forum even more tedious than usual. QFT+LOL=GG __________________________________________________
Anderson Wes Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:03:00 - [255] This will get lost in the clutter, boss, but thanks for serving our country, and thanks for the time in ASCN. May there be another like it. :P
phoenix fighter	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:05:00 - [256] ok nice long post and ASCN have been an image of eve from the get go but to say one thing as a long time player since beta myself (this is my alt, cant be arsed to change login) i have seen ASCN rise and fall as many other alliances and first of to say all them things of ASCN owning everyone and pushing d2/iron and such north and ur the only alliance to hold BOB of so long is crap, i will always standby the fact that Phoenix alliance was the biggest fight ever in eve, they held out till the last breath of everyone and fought with everything they had, the 9 months i was in ASCN compared to the few month's in PA i know from the inside that ASCN has never been strong ever since DDC split and formed AXE ever since then ASCN would never be strong again and it was inevitable that u were gonna be taken over, BOB are an amazing force and formidable at that but they are not all mighty and they have real lives to just like me, i play about 5 hours a week but thats still enough time to join an op and kill BOB RISE or whoever so RL aint no excuse nearly all that play eve have jobs and demanding schedules but them couple of hours we get to play matter so saying RL is the reason is just an excuse. PA are the #1 alliance i have seen that fell to overwhelming odds but stayed till the end and now D2 and IRON are facing off against large odds also against MC, FIX and BOB up north but u don't see them complaining and on about RL because its just a game to have fun with and them said alliances fight with whatever they have and are doing a better job than ASCN ever could after DDC left, and most of them don't play much also. pure and simple.
Zubenelgenubi Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:00:00 - [257] Edited by: Zubenelgenubi on 31/01/2007 19:57:34 Whenever any alliance I was in had relations with ascn they always showed themselves to be a bit iffy. Glad to say i helped kill some of ya when I was in IEEX flying with collective :P nice post eutectic... Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Zubenelgenubi Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:00:00 - [258] Edited by: Zubenelgenubi on 31/01/2007 19:57:34 Whenever any alliance I was in had relations with ascn they always showed themselves to be a bit iffy. Glad to say i helped kill some of ya when I was in IEEX flying with collective :P nice post eutectic... Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:10:00 - [259] EvE Rocks!!! ASCN was a great ride!!, we built something special, we kicked alot of ass and we got our asses kicked in the end. Both sides fought hard, some more than others. Some got respect, some lost even more. Many learned valuable lessons, many did not... CYVOK: Was an awesome run, ASCN did ALOT, You did alot, but its over... Time to move on and look back to see what went wrong. Nira Li: You won, show some freakin class in this "game" It may be a game, but its real people... BL: One of your best posts.
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:10:00 - [260] EvE Rocks!!! ASCN was a great ride!!, we built something special, we kicked alot of ass and we got our asses kicked in the end. Both sides fought hard, some more than others. Some got respect, some lost even more. Many learned valuable lessons, many did not... CYVOK: Was an awesome run, ASCN did ALOT, You did alot, but its over... Time to move on and look back to see what went wrong. Nira Li: You won, show some freakin class in this "game" It may be a game, but its real people... BL: One of your best posts.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:18:00 - [261] Edited by: welsh wizard on 31/01/2007 20:19:12 Fantastic post BL. Why aren't you so polite and courtious to your opponents on your radio show though? I couldn't believe some of the viperous crap coming from your mouth about my former corp and her members. In fact I don't even believe it was you speaking! Maybe it was the beer?
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:18:00 - [262] Edited by: welsh wizard on 31/01/2007 20:19:12 Fantastic post BL. Why aren't you so polite and courtious to your opponents on your radio show though? I couldn't believe some of the viperous crap coming from your mouth about my former corp and her members. In fact I don't even believe it was you speaking! Maybe it was the beer?
The Hardman Amarr Sausage Commandos The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:21:00 - [263] Originally by: KSUDruid Edited by: KSUDruid on 31/01/2007 06:36:16 Take it for what it's worth. Bob didn't cheat, we didn't hack, we didn't do anything that isn't 100% within the game mechanics to beat ASCN. Where, in the OP, did he accuse you of that?
The Hardman Amarr Sausage Commandos The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:21:00 - [264] Originally by: KSUDruid Edited by: KSUDruid on 31/01/2007 06:36:16 Take it for what it's worth. Bob didn't cheat, we didn't hack, we didn't do anything that isn't 100% within the game mechanics to beat ASCN. Where, in the OP, did he accuse you of that?
Ekon Bor ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:44:00 - [265] Edited by: Ekon Bor on 31/01/2007 20:51:59 Originally by: Elad Dranoel A little more condensed version would of sufficed... Originally by: CYVOK .. The fact still remains that ASCN killed more BoB then ANY one in EvE ever has and I am sure its going to remain that way for a LONG time. Except for the fighting done during the actual war; cause no one cares about beforehand. Originally by: CYVOK ASCN fought until the reason for fighting disappeared. Which could of been: money, confidence in one's leadership, organized fleet ops. Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN give up the fight? I love to blame everyone but myself. Originally by: CYVOK ...I am bitter not because the Titan was destroyed but because I did not even have the opportunity to try and save it. Not because ASCN was lost, but because the effort needed to win was not available. I tried to ctrl+q and CCP denied my Titan loss petition. Again I blame everyone else by myself. Originally by: CYVOK Most of all I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. I'm **ed at bob because they showed no mercy to us helpless beings and all the other carebears in this online world. Originally by:** CYVOK ...More wine and cheese here... Intermission... Originally by: CYVOK The day the Community of EvE realizes that every player in the game deserves to be respected regardless of how good or bad they are is the day EvE will dominate the OLG market. Why can't this game be like the Sims, where we could all get along in peace and harmony? Originally by: CYVOK There is nothing wrong with being respect to others. You can still kill them, but after doing so let them know what they did wrong and give them advice on how to move ahead in the game. Stupid BoB!! You're were supposed to School us after you killed us, now how are we ever going to fight back if no one teaches us how to pvp?! Originally by: CYVOK As for me personally. I love EvE, I still think itÆs the greatest game .... Except for everyone in it who doesn't obey my omnipotent commands and ingenious war strategies; or who didn't donate isk for my titan. Thx for that as I cnbf reading the whole thing. Begone CRYVOCK and may you fill by head with bull** nevermore! /me purges remaining morale blogs from memory.........................................................done Originally by:** CYVOK ASCN tried to build its own instead of taking the easy path. I am very proud of what ASCN achieved, we built something amazing from nothing. BoB just destroys and assimilates. You won't be using ur borg sig any more then?
Taedrin Gallente The Last Ravens	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:48:00 - [266] Edited by: Taedrin on 31/01/2007 20:45:20 long story short, CYV0K is bitter not because the Titan was lost, but because the war was lost. Makes sense, really. I'd be pretty ticked if a pirate destroyed virtually all of my corp's worldly possessions, and most of mine too... EDIT: And the BoB bashing is probably frustration
Riddlock Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:57:00 - [267] I'm so tired to hear all the crap about how bob used hacks and how bob members don't have real life and they are geeks. The war who was suppose to be fun turned in a boring crap becouse of people like you CYVOK , the HC guys who where such full of themselfs that they didnt realise that we have to do more then stay at a pos 12 hrs per day . Anyway i hope you will stop posting crap on forums , your a good guy who knows how to handle big masses but thats all, no more conspiracy theory please :)
Incinate 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:00:00 - [268] Edited by: Incinate on 31/01/2007 21:56:27 Fantastic post there BL, was that you or the beer talking....
TRIGGER Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:14:00 - [269] Edited by: TRIGGER on 31/01/2007 22:11:13 "We CRUSHED MASS & RA in UB5-Z" dear cyvok... roffel. u remember literally begging me to let you live prior to xetic collapsing? I do wish you the best in the future though and I think ASCN certianly did accomplish a great deal . ttfn
Gareth Angel Blue Star Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:26:00 - [270] Originally by: Riddlock ...Anyway i hope you will stop posting crap on forums... Lol. Reading through this post makes me think the same about many others, and I really feel the urge to say that a LOT of those others are from your alliance. Honestly, if someone like Nira Li is a rolemodel for you guys, I fear for the future of Eve. I am not saying I agree with what Cyvok wrote - flamebait mostly; no-one should really disagree with that, but omg - lots of people are showing their true faces here. Not something to be proud of, tbh. Let me be a nobody in Eve, if it saves me from becoming like so many others here. Frustrated much? Need to prove something to someone? Show the community how big your e-peen is? Grow up, please. And to Cyvok, since he wrote the original post - respect for what you tried to make of ASCN. I think your alliance achieved more than others can only dream of. For that part, I salute you.

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