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Specops
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.01.31 07:33:00 -
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First off, ASCN was a fantastic alliance and I will miss being part of it.
I have to say throughout all of this hardly anyone seems to give CYVOK the credit he deserves. ASCN became what it became soley because of him. Sure there were thousands of people in the alliance who helped mine for the minerals and helped defend, but it was CYVOK who organized all of it. CYVOK planned for all of it.
Two and a half years ago, when XETIC was falling apart, CYVOK was already planning and discussing in the CLS board forum what he wanted to do with Feythabolis. I think the alliance met all of his expectations. We set many firsts in our time with the outposts and the Titan. I don't want to name any other alliances, but the reality is that it is because of CYVOK and only CYVOK that ASCN didn't wind up like most other alliances that are reasonably succesful but nothing special. Assuming of course an alliance could have been founded at all in Feythabolis in the aftermath of XETIC without CYVOK .
Unfortunately I have been out of game longer than I have been in game in these last two years. I missed a lot of the wars in ASCN's history. I do recall, however, we have always had enemies and IMHO I don't think weve ever give anyone real reason to start shooting us.
When ASCN was first born, Euphoria Released and friends immedietatly declared how we were traitors to XETIC and what not and thus by attacking us we had our first enemies. Since that time we have endured all sorts of enemies. Most of these wars have been started because we have been perceieved as an easy picking (Ex. What did we ever do to IRON/G?).
My point is if you ever had a problem with ASCN and you came to us about it, and you were serious about solving it, we would resolve it diplomatically. Other alliances may jump at the chance to start a war, but us being the pacifist carebears that we were, would never start a war. I believe in ASCN's history we were the ones to start the shooting first only once and that was because (It was Tribal Souls) kept repeatedly BSing us. So contrary to popular belief, no, ASCN was not a giant bully that prayed on the weak every chance it got.
To BoB and specfically Sir Molle: I don't know what your true reasons were for attacking us. If what you said publically is true, and you were just looking for the best fight you could get, than I suggest you sack whoever gave you that intel because ASCN never was or had been a PvP powerhouse. I hope gaining Feythabolis was worth it to you as in the process you lost one of the few allies you have that is not in your immediate sphere of influence. I don't know what the official standings toward BoB were in the 2 year history of ASCN, but I do know that unofficially, up until the start of the war, ASCN had always counted BoB as a friend.
As far as CLS is concerned this is not the last Eve has seen of us. Sure, what happened to ASCN is a setback, but it is by no means a killing blow. This day was anticipated even before we formally broke off from XETIC. In the same way CLS rose up from the remains of XETIC to create a better and stronger alliance, we will once again do the same again. It is only a matter of time before XETIC 3.0 is awing you all with our sheer indutrial might and equally stupefying everyone with our faulty PvP skills.
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Davlin Lotze
Raging Destruction
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Posted - 2007.01.31 07:38:00 -
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Jesus, you are still clueless as to why things fell apart.
Even one of the main a$$hats himself makes an appearance in the thread and you fail to rise up and call him on the crap him and his ilk stained ASCN with. And it's oh so ironic that he comes here with this "it's a game" crap that never stopped him(tbh I dont think he knows what that phrase means) or his sidekicks from DDC\syncore from alienating so many. And you never, to this day, called them on any of that crap.
You still probably "fondly" recall the "Things they did for ASCN."
Well, here's another lesson about MMO's that I'll share with you as someone whose been in them for a good 10 years now and seen pretty much everything: There are always those and will always be those flaming antisocials who see a need to do good deeds to "offset" their rude and deviant antisocial natures. For them, it's like "making a deposit" in the bank on the good side in order to gain the favor of those in power when they their true antisocial streak comes to the forefront later. You know, so that when they go off on someone in a completely inappropriate way on TS or when they pod someone from another corp in their own alliance.....that they have no worries because they've done their "good for the alliance."
And there are some ****poor leaders that fall for that. Mostly because said leaders don't have a moral compass worth a damn. You just do what's expedient for the moment and brush off what the antisocial did because of "all they did on the good side" for you.
Everyone that quit your alliance and probably more than a few that turned into spys for BoB were just people your select flaming ASCN antisocials had their way with and finally decided enough is enough.
All this garbage about "industrial alliance" or "pvp alliance" or "not being ready for an invasion of an immense scale" is pure diversion.
ASCN rotted from the inside and that was that.
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Meleira Luan
Tiger Trading
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Posted - 2007.01.31 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 31/01/2007 05:52:55 While criticism is allowed, we ask that you be respectful to other players of the game. This post is also flamebait and has such been removed. -Karl
Woho! Karl Chroimcer for President! Finally a forum moderator that dares smack BoB on the head for their constant forum trolling, whining and flaimbaiting. Even SirMolle got the stick, I love it!
To the OP I must say I found it a great post and I'm happy you finally posted something with your own words. I think ASCN did a great job against BoB, they are hard to beat and they are not terribly fun to fight either.
RL is greater than Eve, I think you made the right choices and with this post you have reassured me that if there are "good guys" in Eve you were it, and that BoB remains the impolite bullies that nobody really will like. No matter how blue the map will get.
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.31 07:51:00 -
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I'd throw in my two isk, but the previous posts pretty much covered it.
Good luck CYVOK, I missed your typos
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 07:53:00 -
[95]
Originally by: CYVOK Fact is BoB hate PvP
Originally by: CYVOK NO other organization in EvE that BoB has attacked has lasted even 3 weeks.
Originally by: CYVOK Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö
The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple.
Originally by: CYVOK That ship is located in VNGJ-U and one day I WILL be flying it freely through Feyth again.
More facts Cyvok?
I don't think I've taking any greater pleasure in saying "I told you so" to the eve community.
Bye now, fly safe, dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.31 07:54:00 -
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Ascendant Frontier didn't lose just because their fighters weren't as capable as Band of Brothers. Band of Brothers didn't win because they fought better.
The reason Ascendant Frontier lost is because you weren't there to fill the power vacuum, provide direction and moral support. Ive seen it happen before. Organizations rally themselves around you. If SirMolle were to disappear in the heat of crisis, Evolution would be significantly influenced for the worse in regards to direction unless someone from one of the other mega-corps filled the void.
If theres any lesson to be learned, it isn't that one side fought better than the other. Ascendant Frontier's numbers would be enough without superior equipment or skills because it all does not mean one damn thing without strong leadership and organization. This has been proven time and time again, yet so precious few recognize this fact. Discipline, leadership, presence, and unity are the keys to victory. Band of Brothers knows this. The Red Swarm knows this.
Wake up and smell the roses guys; the leadership of such a terrific organization is 100% in the hands of the guys on top. A failure of the alliance will trace back, in some way shape and form, to a failure in you. Unfortunately, Real Life is one that cannot be avoided and takes priority over all else.
In my humble opinion, BoB should stay out of this. Its not your issue until CYVOK or his friends make the effort to reclaim what was lost. To you CYVOK, I cut you some slack. An alliance is your baby. It means a lot to you. It means literally thousands of man hours of effort. Its akin to being incapable of tending to your decade old garden because of extenuating circumstances in a bitter and harsh winter. CYVOK was unable to provide the garden the attention it needed and the Garden died.
But the ground can be tilled and new seeds can be sewn. If CYVOK can find the time, Ascendant Frontier can be reborn. If you can build an Empire once in this game, it is quite possible to build one again. If CYVOK has the time to make EVE his full-time effort, things can, and I expect will, become very interesting in a few months.
In the mean time, fly safe, and cut each other some slack. After all, it is a game that is meant to be enjoyed ---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--- This isn't the signature you're looking for. |
Xordus
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:10:00 -
[97]
ASCN's accomplishments are many. In the end they fell to the ****'s of EVE. It's a sad thing...
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Haks'he Lirky
Durgar og Illmenni
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: CYVOK The last 2 years of my Air Force duty were VERY taxing.
And...
Originally by: CYVOK The death of the Titan sucked for 1 reason and I donÆt care what anyone says about this statement, those that are in the know, know itÆs true. BoB took advantage of a situation I had no control over. They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it.
I know that most people that play EVE tend to take their real life experiences and superimpose them onto the way that they play EVE. With your background I would think that you would understand that the best way to operate is to move on your enemy when he doesnt stand a chance with methods that ensure success as well as exploiting the weakness of your enemy when they present them selves. Perhaps your work has left you jaded and you want to escape reality inside EVE where you create a sense of combat Honor that doesnt exist in the real world and I guess thats fine, just funny that you expect the rest of EVE to confirm to your gaming reality.
Besides, I dont think ASCN would have left a BOB Titan alone in similar circumstances, in fact I seriously doubt it and that makes me look at your comments like some schoolyard chest beating, you think your more honoroable than BOB and since thats the only thing that you can realisticly, in your reality, claim to have more of you seem to beat it into your comments like nothing else matters.
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Dufas
Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:12:00 -
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boohoo cry me a river...your so full of your ego it impossible to keep in one head
" We were the first alliance to try and corporate with our smaller neighbors instead of just crush them"
then brag you defeated tribal souls in 3 days...you sir are a hipocrite and I've been waiting ever since the TS v ASCN war for u to get your arse handed to u and be crying about it while your in empire...well today is that day
HA!
some ppl get exactly what they deserve..and you sir have gotten it
GO BoB GO ! ! __________
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Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:15:00 -
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/respect
Hope to see you ingame.
Kick back, relax, and enjoy the forums (lag-free EVE)
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:18:00 -
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cyvok I'm abit upset with your post.
I'm a current enemy of BoB (yarr!) so noone can say I am biased towards them, should be the other way around.
To the point. I was in BoB for a long 6 months, probably the best alliance months of my eve life. Why? Because BoB dedicate themselfs to the bigger picture. You say they sit 16 hours a day, that's just bull****. I never sat up that long, maybe 4-5 hours on fridays or so but your taking it too far there. The reason why BoB don't stop and "leave" is because ever single BoB pilot knows that their fellow corp and alliance mates will never stop fighting. They will never stop getting new ships. They will never stop helping out the alliance. Most people like those in ASCN were like "omg I don't wanna fight nomore, I could loose alot of isk". In BoB if you loose a ship you immediatly go get a new one, if you can't afford one lend one and the modules (I did this a few times). You cannot say they did anything wrong, they want to blow stuff up. It's a apart of the game, if you can't deal with it leave. I can tell you there are people that are "worse" than BoB (this is from your point of view now CYVOK, that ppl "steep so low"). Yes maybe joining BoB is on easy mode. Do you know why? Because all of their pilots are experienced and know what they are doing and most importantly: won't GIVE UP until they are forced too. EVE are full of chickens, pity ASCN had to have alot of them(if they didn't why did they give up?)?
About your titan loss, that made me angry how you could say BoB has no honor. You logged out with tthe AGGRESSOR timer, how dumb can you be, that was a reaaaal dumbass job. You also say you couldn't defend yourself, who in gods name would like to sit and shoot at your while you blow off your doomsday weapon. Your thinking like; if they don't let me blow them up they are all a bunch of losers that have no honor. I mean etf, yes they could of drained your cap so you couldn't fire it but still logging out with an aggro timer...
I'm disapointed CYVOK, you turned ASCN from muscle into fatover the years. When you left Xetic you said things would be diffrent (I'm talking from carebear willing to fight point of view). You failed a SECOND time. If you were to start up another alliance, I would not fly under it if you were leader. Pity you had to leave for RL, things might be diffrent yes. But they aren't.
In the end of the day, it's just a game. Your post is insulting and you should be ashamed. It's just a game...
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Rslorien
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Rslorien on 31/01/2007 08:16:04 i really dont understand the point of you posting this... are you back as former ASCN CEO ?? if not why did you spend time getting all this on the forum, all eve know what you thing.. bob used exploits, hacs we even shutdown you computer to kill the titan. ASCN screw up in the war, you lost, CEO post we surrender. Do you need to come with a lot of lies again to the forum? Like someone in your ex alliance told one day: "Screeny or STFU"
have fun in eve its just a game, you lost this war get rdy for the next one win the next one and stop crying.
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Colje
Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it
You proved his point, go hide under a rock Nira.
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Gradinger
Todmacher
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Luna Liandri that ...
Originally by: CYVOK ... They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it.
Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor.
... and that ...
Originally by: CYVOK 600 ASCN ships camped that system for 9 days while 40 BoB dreads destroyed the ship yards. ASCN undisputedly held that system for 9 days, NO ONE could do a thing about it.
... made me laugh, hypocrisis ftw ... ET is just right, all that talk about respect, honour and such stuff is BS everyone and his dog uses to boast at times and whine at others ...
anyway, gl to your future.
hehe.. that did catch my attention too - cyvok, you gotta admit something¦s wrong with that logic ;)
and about you saying the ole all bob members joined to play on easy-mode - you¦ve created a huge alliance were alts just join to do some ratting and all thought they are save just cuz of the amount of ppl - some would say its easy mode.
anyways - you¦ve earned your respect for building up the mentioned 0.0 infrastructure - but not for any of your illusional pvp-victories.
(and btw - im not a fan of bob - maybe cuz i prefer the underdog - maybe cuz i wanna do my own stuff)
now gl with whateva you do.
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sorilin
Amarr Who CareZ
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: sorilin on 31/01/2007 08:43:47 Regardless of how i like cyvok or not, i wish him GL. so should all of u. as some said its just a game, and then u flame ?? LOL... just say gl and stop..
so ummm
GL -CYVOK-
ps: ye u took tribal. dosent matter much. we will get it back some day. mwuahahahaha I am the borg! |
Lag Fest
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:46:00 -
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CYVOK is stealing our supplies of Serpentis drugs!!! OMGGHAXXOR
No but seriously, u cyvok say BoB hates pvp and loves gankage, I'm sorry but I fail to see your point here. Isn't gankage sort of a pvp? You outnumber your opponent in order to acieve your goals at minimum loses. Isn't that what ASCN used to do as well? Try answering this honestly, how many times have you rolled out your 150+ man fleet against BoBs 80-ish fleet? Seriously I'd like you to answer this to me. I'm not saying BoB hasn't done the same, OMG how many times did we outnumber our NMEs and still got a fight (kudos goes to everyone that ever puts up a fight agains us), but that is just the way of how Fleet combat works at this point of time.
As for the titan loss... Noone to blame but yourself m8, ASCN, D2 Ragoon... EVERYONE would take a chance like that if they had it, mark my words EVERYONE including you. And you're talking about honor!?
What is honor, please define to me your point of view on honor? If you consider even number fleet fightsas only honorable way to fight than very few in eve are honorable, including former ASCN. If you consider smacking in local, taunting on eve-o forums as less honorable than yet again, very few are honorable. What is honor to you in a online game? Being true to your corp/alliance members? If so is the case than alot of ppl indeed are honorable, including most of the former ASCN. But for you to come here and accuse BoB to have no honor and no skill or whatever is just load of crap. Take a look around man, EvE is evolving and it is up to you if you choose to adapt or not. If you adapt you will have bigger chance of ahcieving you goals, thats the way it works.
Deep down you know i'm right, so does everyone else its just that for some ppl its much harder to admit that someone else was right and you were wrong, i myself tend to be stubborn sometimes. Don't take me wrong i recognize what you tried to accomplish and i respect that and i'm most definatley not trying to flame or degrade you in any manner. Despite what you think, if you and me were ever to meet in RL i wouldn't try to slit your throat or anything, screw that, i'd buy u a beer, sat down and talked to u, maybe teased u a bit about loosing Steve and generally talked about EvE.
As for other "BoB haters" who are all about i'll fight BoB untill my final breath.. GREAT you do that, as a matter of fact, get more of your friends to do so as well it would give both sides a challange.
What we all need is a Group Shower. Swedish Gimpsquad is your firend! _______________________________________ |
jernej
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: jernej on 31/01/2007 08:44:41
Originally by: Colje
Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it
You proved his point, go hide under a rock Nira.
Not all BoBits are like Nira. I wish Cyvok all the best, and want to give him this Link. I think he will appreciate it.
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Svett
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:51:00 -
[108]
Look Ma', another BoB thread!
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:02:00 -
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Havent changed a bit uself huh CYVOK
all u can is post excuses. this aint saving u face.
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Grimma
Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:09:00 -
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grats for w(h)ining the thread with most crap in it.
dude go recycle your char and find yourself another game
ascn maybe do something in eve but there are lots of things you are claiming and you wasnt even close.
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Taz Devlin
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:12:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Grimma dude go recycle your char and find yourself another game
Dude... seriously... uncalled for... leave RL at the login screen
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:14:00 -
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Very good post Cyvok. Best of luck in the future.
With respect, we come. You built something of marvel. To honor, the lost.
Ignore the smack. Bringing down something is always easier than building it. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon This only proves that human nature is more keen to destroy than build.
Pretty much sums up whole ideology and motive behind 90% of EVE-Online community. I'm part of alliance that wants to destroy rather than build .. fine most people are cool with that but if I have alt that does more building game than destroying - I get accused of being carebear and whatnot.
Until people realise this basic stuff, there will be events like this. It's just way too much hassle to build than to destroy. BoB conquers and crushes but they won't repair or build up those wrecks they left behind. They will instead setup vassal program and leave work to others.
I think there has been only 2 alliances in EVE that I truly respect: FA and ASCN. They tried building but both got crushed by warmongers known as a B(l)oB.
Let the flames begin, BOBBY!
Now you just make yourself look dumb. During the ascn war, are you trying to say that WE blobbed ? Or we are blobbing up north atm ? People like you make me laugh, they hear something on the intraweb so it must be true
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:27:00 -
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I dunno, every time I hear someone lose a fight, and then come back to try and convince people that it "was lag", or "they cheated", or "I was AFK". I get this looming feelin that they are just trying to blame anything or everyone except themselves for failing.
You speak of honour, how about SOMEWHERE in your post saying; "Good fight guys! See you in space!"?
The closest you get is: "I can't blame them", well WOW!
War never changes, and BOB won, far too easily from where I stand. If you feel they cheated, send a petition. ^^
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WiZZyWiGG
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:29:00 -
[115]
Was going to quite happily say goodbye and good luck, however after the rubbish about how BoB don't like to PvP and only fight when the odds are in our favour I changed my mind.
I guess if you had spent more time online during the war you would of noticed the numerous times we had to jump into fleets twice our size because ASCN were always too scared to jump in.
Im sorry to say that with leadership like this you can see why ASCN fell as hard as it did. ___________
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Kriger
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:44:00 -
[116]
As always alot of low blow responses from B00Bs.. ignore them like u would any CS kiddy..
nice work CYVOK, respect.
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Dracorimus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:44:00 -
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"Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor."
Hate PVP ? Dude I love pvp, have you seen how many kills I have got ? If I hated pvp, why would I take EVERY opportunity to kill ppl who are red on my overview whenever possible....
Even if we got less people we will still "have a go" cos its fun and we "Enjoy" the challenge that PVP combat brings....
0.0 is not meant to be a safe haven far, from it, you know it, I know it, you lost, you lost hard....GET OVER IT...
Also this honor you speak of, it was a WAR <- We are there to destroy you, not pat you on the back and say "oops he seems to have logged, lets wait until he logs in again...." <-- I hardly think so, and you yourself would have sold your soul to do the same to us I'm quite sure, had you gotten the opportunity, but it was your own damn fault, you KNEW what the aggro timer was about, yet you say "lame and no honor" <-- I lol'ed.....
As nira li so eloquently put it, "hurts doesnt it".
I would have liked to have wished you well, but insulting me and my alliance EVEN NOW, calling us cheats and god knows what else, I would rather say instead, Good riddance.... -
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vipeer
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:46:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
War never changes, and BOB won, far too easily from where I stand. If you feel they cheated, send a petition. ^^
We did. The GM deleted it and is now unemployed afaik but the petition was not resolved still ;) Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
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Dracorimus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:46:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Kriger As always alot of low blow responses from B00Bs.. ignore them like u would any CS kiddy..
nice work CYVOK, respect.
Read his post again, read between the lines this time and see what its really saying
Bitter till the end much? -
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Why'dyou HitMe
Minmatar The Reckoning
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Posted - 2007.01.31 09:47:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Meleira Luan
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 31/01/2007 05:52:55 While criticism is allowed, we ask that you be respectful to other players of the game. This post is also flamebait and has such been removed. -Karl
Woho! Karl Chroimcer for President! Finally a forum moderator that dares smack BoB on the head for their constant forum trolling, whining and flaimbaiting. Even SirMolle got the stick, I love it!
/signed
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