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Won Swunglow Dead By Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:12:00 - [151] Good post from a good leader!!! As for SOME of the rest of the posts in this thread!!! WTF are you people on!!! ****ing, Backstabing, Whining, snip* waving, and the down right abusive nature of some of the replies made me feel ashamed of this comunity... Is this game now just about winning at any cost, is it about being as abusive and nasty as possible, ingame and on the forums, to make sure your enemy fails? if it is then i'll get my hat... Because if i'm called a nOOb or an empire hugging carebear, or weak just because i like to help people, and be honest and trust worthy, then EVE has gone to the dogs!!! Good luck CYVOK, you made mistakes, and you made an Alliance that will be remembered for many things. I for one would be glad to be in another Alliance with you as its leader. Regards. Please do not try to bypass the profanity filter. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:15:00 - [152] Edited by: ALPHA12125 on 31/01/2007 11:12:04 Originally by: CYVOK There is nothing wrong with being respect to others. You can still kill them, but after doing so let them know what they did wrong and give them advice on how to move ahead in the game. Keep the in the game, because eventually all you jerks out there are going to chase everyone else out of the game and work will get around that the Eve player base sucks. Then we wont have any new players coming in. Fact is that griefers donÆt like to play games with other griefers because its to much of a challenge, then the game dies. everyone is entitled to have his own vision. but dont force rl ethical standards on eve. I know alot of people play games like they would do in rl, others play this game to exactly be someone else, may it be a powermonger, a pirate or maybe a griefer. Also u fail to see that the majority of bob members, especially avon springs to my mind here, are in other parts of the forums perfectly nice to new players and their questions. Just because someone is an arse in CAOD doesnt mean he like that everywhere. Especially the RL analogies like bob play 16h a day show that you really need to get some distance to a computer game. I dont like cyvok the character but does that mean i dont like person behind it ? No it does not. Until people realize this this whole discussion about respect and soforth is kind of moot. edit spelling
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:21:00 - [153] Originally by: Meleira Luan Originally by: PeveS Edited by: PeveS on 31/01/2007 10:47:49 Respect and good luck to you CYVOK. I do not agree with all you said but i still repect you for building up ASCN. Impressive and many players liked it. This post gives however a nice impression of most BoB players. None of them gave any respect on your official post. DB Preacher said: "its a game...its a game". But why does every BoB member flame? At least a bit of respect should be in place. Even if they are disagree with CYVOKS post some respect should be in place. It seems for BoB, EVE is not a game anymore but a living. But does BoB understand they are killing the game both ingame and on forums? Funny thing is that more and more proof is there that BoB has CCP employees as members. It actual means that they are killing their own job. If BoB players had balls, they join some weaker alliance or corp and fight them. Again, respect and good luck to you CYVOK. This post is on disbanding a great alliance and i hope to see you flying around in that nightmare some time! This was by far the best post in this thread so far, I'll get out of it now - feels like all has been said. The best thing you said that i think should be stated again is: If BoB players had balls, they join some weaker alliance or corp and fight them. How completely dumb that is. Work hard to make your corp/ allaince strong and be productive member of team, Conquer space and populate it and fuel tower's etc. Befiend all in corp, helping new guy's and having great fun with friends who share a vision with you. Or turn on them and fight against them. How utterly dumb and retarded. Someone's bio said it all, i would rather fight beside 10 lion's than a 1000 sheep. You forum jockey's up in the peanut gallery like to think you know it all but you haven't got a clue tbfh.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:25:00 - [154] Can we get some elaboration about "the other 2 Titans that were built" please ? Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:27:00 - [155] Originally by: Ashen Brarn If only we could run an ENN poll of ex ASCN members. Why did ASCN fail to keep their regions: 1. BoB 2. ASCN 2. ASCN Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
olyyy Gallente V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:28:00 - [156] Originally by: CYVOK I am bitter towards BoB because they do not care about respect or Honor in EvE any more. honor? Please... ("how dare you?" if you prefer) If you forget about Dice which is full of nublars such as cmdr sp0ck and Masieee and their french forum fighting team (which managed in a joint effort with TCF to more or less make a forum board disappear, they see what i'm talking about ;p), you can find some very honorable opponents in BoB. Men never lie more than before elections, during war and after hunting.
Danny Hawk Black Lance	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:30:00 - [157] Edited by: Danny Hawk on 31/01/2007 11:28:35 never flown with ya, always against ya cyvokk, good luck in what u do now. to bob guys i kinda understand why the hostility is in here but really not much need for the flaming, although the post asked for it really. just let this one die ps dude dice aint full of nubblars most are ex five,look up what five did during their time. and tholarim is one of the great fc's of this game
Rak'Kabal Kain Minmatar Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:31:00 - [158] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Rak'Kabal Kain The people who put in the most time should by every right be at the top of the food chain plain and simple. Might makes right. So Eve is ruled by slackers and people on welfare right? There was a quote in here along the lines of "leave RL at the login screen" but some people fail. When the war started we all knew what the out come would be, the ones with the will to fight at the end will be the winners, ASCN lack the mind set to keep on fighting as they are not a PvP allaince.
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:32:00 - [159] I share many of the views about bob's forum warrior behavior but your post was a bit over the top Cyvok, you can tell youÆre rather bitter about it. I do agree that bob must have some of the worst intel if they found ASCN to be the strongest alliance. Truth be told they chose the alliance that had separated itself from just about everyone, considerring ASCN had just been your ally. Not a big deal I guess, you should just be honest about it. I would like to know how you came to this decision perhaps I missed it. The Titan... it was a fair kill, all of us would do the same to someone who's logged off but the way u bob guys went on about like it was a huge accomplishment to scan down one of the largest sigs in the game. Sad realy. ah well, GL Cyvok, GL bob... p.s. please have more xelas post... cheerleaders are hot
Taliac Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:32:00 - [160] Originally by: Reifahal Jesus christ cyvok wake up - it's a game. And yes many peeps plays this game many hours and uses a lot of resources on it. But it's still a ******* game. Play by the rules and enjoy it. Else go play your lvl 3 char on wow. snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Conuion Meow([email protected]) I do feel a bit sorry for them. Reminds me a bit of the goons and the privateeers.

Tarantella Serpantine Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:45:00 - [161] ASCN could have been great, if it wasn't for the people in it. gl in whatever you choose to do from here on Cyvok. regardless of whether you and your management team didn't deal with the war particularly well, constructing both the first outpost and titan are things that ascn did which will go down in eve history. -- Love is the Law, Love under Will
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:48:00 - [162] Originally by: Tarantella Serpantine ASCN could have been great, if it wasn't for the people in it. gl in whatever you choose to do from here on Cyvok. regardless of whether you and your management team didn't deal with the war particularly well, constructing both the first outpost and titan are things that ascn did which will go down in eve history. And losing the first Titan (Sorry this post warranted it) -
Tarantella Serpantine Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:50:00 - [163] Originally by: Dracorimus Originally by: Tarantella Serpantine ASCN could have been great, if it wasn't for the people in it. gl in whatever you choose to do from here on Cyvok. regardless of whether you and your management team didn't deal with the war particularly well, constructing both the first outpost and titan are things that ascn did which will go down in eve history. And losing the first Titan (Sorry this post warranted it) hehe, thats true. any history is good history tho imo :P -- Love is the Law, Love under Will
Quaren Gallente Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:51:00 - [164] The idiotic and disrespectful remarks from BOB in this thread(and most threads) says it all imo. GL in the future CYVOK.
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:53:00 - [165] Edited by: Naqq on 31/01/2007 11:56:53 Edited by: Naqq on 31/01/2007 11:55:44 Originally by: Kingdoc Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it What a complete ass to say that. It shows a petty mindset, absolutely no class and worst of all a lack of respect. You are a disgrace to your corp and alliance. One of the reasons I play eve is for the mature and (mostly) respectful atmosphere. You, and players like you taint the air. The day players like you outnumber real people like me I will be canceling my account with CCP. Sadly, it seems the faster BoB grows the quicker that day arrives. Agreed, tho I find comfort in believing that Nira Li is trying to make up for failing elsewhere.. I'll make it short: "grow up kid". My deepest respect to CYVOK for what he built, and respect to all the other ASCN who fought to the end. As for those who gave up and left or figured apathy was the way forward.. You'll go down in history as the biggest cowards in EVE history so far, congratulations.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:56:00 - [166] Edited by: fire 59 on 31/01/2007 11:54:57 Originally by: Quaren The idiotic and disrespectful remarks from BOB in this thread(and most threads) says it all imo. GL in the future CYVOK. Of course, if you were in a fairly long war with an enmey which lied about you all the time, was disrespectful themselves and then put a departing post on forum's with even more snipe's about you, you would just ignore it wouldn't you. If you were in the war, maybe you could understand that there was alot of passion involved, which had sod all to do with you so if you weren't involved, who the hell are you to judge if you didn't see or know what was happening, hmmm ? @ Naqq, see above comment about those involved and passion. Ascn talked alot of smack about us and we gave it back. By your own theory then, you calling nira li a kid, you must be making up for your own deficiency of being a 12 yr old?
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:02:00 - [167] Originally by: Meleira Luan In a way it is sad to watch some BoB's longing for respect and being liked by the community. I'm not saying they all want that, but some sure do. In reality nobody likes BoB. Nobody likes you. Nobody ever will. This whole thread is the proof as to why. I'm sure you can't see it yourself but if you act like a dishonest bully that nobody can trust and only fear in a game you can't expect to be loved. And maybe you don't want to be loved, respected, admired or liked - only feared well good for you then becuse that's what you are: hated by all, feared by some and despised by most. You won Eve? You lost it mates, and someday you will understand it. You know what they say: "Loved by some, hated by many feared by all." What makes you think any BoB member needs your RESPECT or anyone elses for that matter? What is respect, please explain that to me because i think you're confusing respect with being polite. There is a differance you know. Originally by: R'adeh It's as if you'd set up a fight between some random fat dude and Mike Tyson. Sure, the fat dude's heavy and tall, but eventually, Mike will bring him down. Why? Because the fat dude normally lives a relaxed life with Twinkies infront of the TV instead of sparring 23/7. I was actually looking forward to this war at the beginning. But a few things just made me wanna puke: #1: The forum smack. It got out of hand pretty quickly. I know propaganda is part of the game, but posting stuff from private boards on EVE-O is lame. Same goes for what's happening to BoB now with the Kung (complicated name, starts with a "K") dude. How does it feel to see private information made openly available? BoB might state that it's not the same, however, in the end YOU started lowering the bar, and it was just a matter of time till someone took the next step. #2: Unfair tactics. Remember when some of us got shot within POS shields, and BoB screamed their usual "Proof or STFU" when people complained about that? Well, turns out you could infact target stuff inside POS shields!! All it required was passive targeters as has been proven by another alliance that got caught doing it. Ofc BoB never used those and didn't know about the bug It's all about winning, no matter what! So you're comparing ASCN to "some random fat dude"? Just because YOU enjoy plaing "some random fat dude" style doesn't mean everyone else does. The beauty of EvE is that you can do whatever you like and be whatever you like, if that means you want to be "some random fat dude " than its you full right to do so but it doesn't give you the right to pass judgement on those who choose a different path. And what is so wrong in striving to be the best? Should we all settle for being average, i think alot of ppl will disagree on that one. Forum smack IS and laways WILL be part of this game, to me forum smacking is just having some fun before actuall fight in game, but that is just my opinoion, some ppl tend to take what is being said on forums far seriously than the game itself. And why is it so discusting to spy on NME forums? I personally had an alt in ASCN and i was GIVEN the access to their forums, i did not hack or use any illegal or questioning methods, i was simply given the access. Gathering all intelligence possible about your opponent is part of the war, its just the way it is. And you speak of "unfair tactics". Wasn't it CYVOK himself that announced openly on eve-o forums that ASCN would do anything in its power to defeat BoB, including copying BMs in their cargo? I'm not saying BoB are perfect, we don't win every battle, we do smack, we do insult and disrespect ppl on occasion and we do come across as arrogant.Considering our success i think we're entitled to that. But can you honestly say to me that you have never been any of thoose things? Group Shower for everyone Swedish Gimpsquad is your friend. _______________________________________
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:03:00 - [168] Originally by: fire 59 Edited by: fire 59 on 31/01/2007 11:54:57 Originally by: Quaren The idiotic and disrespectful remarks from BOB in this thread(and most threads) says it all imo. GL in the future CYVOK. Of course, if you were in a fairly long war with an enmey which lied about you all the time, was disrespectful themselves and then put a departing post on forum's with even more snipe's about you, you would just ignore it wouldn't you. If you were in the war, maybe you could understand that there was alot of passion involved, which had sod all to do with you so if you weren't involved, who the hell are you to judge if you didn't see or know what was happening, hmmm ? @ Naqq, see above comment about those involved and passion. Ascn talked alot of smack about us and we gave it back. By your own theory then, you calling nira li a kid, you must be making up for your own deficiency of being a 12 yr old? Yes I'm 12
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:04:00 - [169] Originally by: CYVOK Why did ASCN get defeated? The bottom line is very simple, BoB had more fighters that understood how to fight in the worst game mechanics I have seen since EvE was in Beta!! [...] Why did ASCN give up the fight? Most players in ASCN asked themselves 1 question. ôIs it worth it to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day simply to win a battle in a game?ö The answer for 99% of our members was NO. The answer for 99% of BoB members was YES. It really is that simple. [...] Their only goal is Control and they donÆt care how they get it. It is simple math, when 1 organization is willing to be online 80% of each day to achieve their goals and the other simply cannot, the lesser is going to loose, plain and simple. -CYVOK- Right enough with the bollox. 1. ASCN got stomped because you deliberately choose to avoid any war so we could be ready for Kali, even at the cost of losing more and more pvpers (by your own admirssion) and the result was a player base that hasnt had a single fleet fight in the last 6 months. 2. When choosing who should have filled your power vacuum when you were busy in RL you choose the two people with the biggest egoes in ascn: McCreedy and Drakma, resulting in long painfull hours just trying to deal with command. 3. For month the few pvpers of ascn have been asking to use our wealth (the 3x 10/10 plexes, the large set of t2 bpos, the refinery taxes) to make the alliance more attractive for other pvpers to join. At no point there was a program to get cheaper stuff to pvpers than to random dudes of the alliance except for the very end when Prometheus (respect to the man) apparently started cashing out of his own pockets to provide cheap t2 ships. 4. The CEOs. In the end, with no big wars for so many months keeping the corps stuck together, it was clear the CEOs were not ready to trust and work with each other - and that is what really put the last nail in the coffin in the war because all of a sudden there was 10 people in gang defending paragon soul, even when the regular pvpers where online. And when you asked those pvpers why they wer roaming on their own instead of joining the defence gangs you'd be told they were sick of the general noobishness of the mixed ascn gangs and that they wud be more efficient in their corp only gangs roaming around. CYVOK: I think you are one of the best leaders of eve, but you made a few mistakes and should accept them imho. Nira Li: LOL you tool your own smack bite you back in the arse - Gob
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:05:00 - [170] Edited by: Gibmundur on 31/01/2007 12:01:33 Why did bob cross the street? ... cause they had 2 to 1 odds! The truth will set you free!

H3ndrix Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:07:00 - [171] Edited by: H3ndrix on 31/01/2007 12:05:53 Edited by: H3ndrix on 31/01/2007 12:05:07 [quote origianlly by cyvok]-We defeated Tribal Souls in 3 days 3 days try just under 2 weeks, and b4 i finish what was it u said to us ? let me remind you "if you cant defend your space you deserved to lose it, if you could defend it you'd still be there" well reap it cyvok ASCN lost there space because they couldnt defend it, after all if you had defended it you would still be in feyth
Crucifier BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:12:00 - [172] snip Be nice. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) ------
Lyer THE BLUE FLAG	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:12:00 - [173] Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it Hmmm, now where did that Quake Kiddie reputation come from again? Originally by: bulabuba -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Nira Li -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hurts doesn't it -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You know, that comment right there pretty much sums up what disgusted me about that whole conflict. It wasn't so much the winning or losing in (in a game, for crissakes), it was the poorest sportmanship that I think I've ever seen, at any time, anywhere. The three words above prety much say it all. Not "it was fun" or "lets do it again" or even "the best team won". Nope. We caused you real, personal pain, and we're happy about it. That's the dark underbelly of internet culture, folks. We can be sadistic bullies and nobody can hold us to account, 'cause we're anonymous. Small people lacking in self-esteem who can only be somebody in a video game. My son is 6'7" and 230 at 15 years old. He absolutely dominates other kids his age in his chosen sport of basketball. If I ever heard "hurts, don't it" come out of his mouth toward an opposing team after he just slammed them for 50 points, I swear to god, it would be the last game he ever played. He loves basketball, but there are more important things than a game. Any game. It's a f'n shame, folks. Does anyone look up to this kind of behavior? I hope to hell not. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great post. We keep getting " its just a game, deal with it!!" thrown around time after time by BoB, What they dont get is its how you play the game that counts. You might be so caught up in your narrow win win win world that you cant see this, History will show that whilst being sucessful in the short term, your reputation and acheivements will mean nothing due to the manner in which you carried them out.
iceyreloaded Amarr ShaK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:13:00 - [174] Hi CYVOK, nice to hear your side of the story. Gl to you in the future, in and out of game mate. o7
Lungorthin Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:13:00 - [175] This sounds to me as a very serious case of very sour grapes to me. I respectfully suggest you take your defeat with dignity.
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:13:00 - [176] I respected ASCN as what it was - an attempt to create a 0.0 empire on a basis of relatively low level access, massive memberbase, strong industry and an alliance-wide market & supply created by the industry. They worked their way towards creating a 'brand' of a static cornerstone alliance which had a lot of fixed infrastructure, which they hoped, would serve as some kind of backbone for the alliance. This failed because you can't lay the basis of an alliance on 'stuff you built and own'. As the fighting went on, every victory we achieved on the battlefield either served as a testament to the fact - or revealed more of the truth - that the basic fundamentals of ASCN were flawed. Simply put we just applied the pressure, and ASCN crumbled in front of us. No healthy alliance which has it's basis built right goes down like that. Some people here cry out that ASCN was aiming to construct, create and serve as an ultimate example of player-created content for the good of all players - a pinnacle of positive morale superiority equipped with a shining armor of righteousness, if you will. And we, evil, e-peen waving arrogant CS kiddies with malicious intents wanted to destroy that because we were jealous and not capable of constructing anything on our own... Give me a goddamn break. ASCN was an attempt to create an empire. It ended up being nothing more than a normal regional alliance which based itself on powerplay, egos, personal gain, greed and most notably 'stuff'. When the proper fighting started, the completely ridiculous accusations of cheating, outright lies and demonizing got totally out of hand - and by the looks of it, now we can add bitterness into the equation too, since the bullsht campaign obviously still hasn't stopped. In closing, We don't cheat, hack or play 16 hours per day. We simply just play better on the field which is critical to success as a 0.0 entity. Our biggest resource isn't the SP amount, the fleets we field, the POS networks we have or the tech 2 industry we run. Our biggest resource are the players themselves - the people behind the characters, their knowhow, friendship and dedication to the cause. When* they play, they play to the max - and they play to win. All the stuff our guys have achieved, conquered, created, built and constructed come as a result of this. In my opinion, trying to find fundamental reasons to the downfall of ASCN from anywhere else is an effort in vain. People > Stuff BoB > ASCN Anyways, good luck in your future CYVOK. Please let the hate go. ------------------- -
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:16:00 - [177] Cyvok, I wish you the best that you get your rl sorted and you can come back to the game. But your post is a worse disaster than all the BoB flames which it has started. You had built something that you cared about and have now seen it die, that does hurt game or no game. You have and always will take the recognition for building the giant that ASCN was for as long as Eve lasts. But you have not been true to yourself or your comrades. The clearest statement is than in 6 months you could not find someone in your alliance to take over your duties. That statement alone is your biggest failure. Thus it was clear that ASCN was dying and BoB took clear and distinct military advantage of that. In any battle it is the always to the leader that the troops rally. You failed to rally your troops. If you did not care about losing "Steve" as there were 2 titans completing before Xmas (less than 2 weeks after your titan loss) why did you not tell your alliance this to keep up their fighting spirits. Remember SirMolle sat in a POS for 7 hours with your corpse because as a trophy it rallies the fighting spirit of his troops. He didn't want to lose it. His troops fought on to victory. You cry about honour and use of game mechanics... please give specific details.... talk also about your lack of understanding of game mechanics... You criticise and boast about blobs in the same rant.... I hope SirMolle will repost to this thread... The loser (Cyvok) was not dignified in this epic defeat. TBH I think SirMolle has been magnanomous in victory with his postings (until today ). For all the BoB haters... BoB fought, BoB won by superior tactics, training and logistics. SirMolle has stated that they planned and prepared for a year long conflict. The victors always get the spoils. You want to beat BoB then plan, train and prepare as they do. And they will thank you for it. Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Viashivan Amarr The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:19:00 - [178] Respect to ASCN and Cyvok for what they have built in 0.0. It is and was always easier to destroy something opposed to built or create something. Building something requires not only creativity but also an amount of love(as strange as is sounds I truly believe that). To destroy something is always easier as it requiers just consequence, dedication and force. Undoubtly are BoB the most consequent and deticated force in EvE when it comes down to PvP. I think of them as a titan walking from conflict to conflict to best the best alliances in Eve, leaving behind him a path of pillage and destuction. This is not meant as a disrespect towards BoB but I think it is a diffierent and valid style of playing the game. But so is ASCN's and Cyvok's style of playing the game and I think that should be respected as well. Via
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:29:00 - [179] Originally by: Lag Fest lots of stuff...don't wanna stretch boards I didn't say the reason ASCN was the fat dude and BoB the ebil shark should have stopped you from attacking ASCN. All I said was that the outcome of the war is not really a surprise because of those 2 ways to play a game. Everyone's entitled to their playstyle, and some are better suited for certain situations than others...nothign wrong with that. I agree that hacking a board is worse than just normal spying. However, there's always someone going one step further than the other. You started one of the smackiest (hell, you even admit it was smack) forum campaigns ever, posts (from both sides) were filled with hate. Posting of "private", alliance internal information on the scale you did it has never really been done as much before. Sure, there's been spies, everyone uses spies. But going public with all this info wasn't the coolest move ever. Not because it's not a particularly mean move, no, because some dude will go a step further. And the next dude will go another step further... Right now we have ppl hacking boards, using DOS attacks, comparing IP addresses...and why do you think all this started? It's a frickin' game for f*** sake! It's not RL, we aren't North/South Korea, the US, China, or the UK...we are a bunch of people playing a game. About the whole cheating thing, I never CTRL+Q'ed, EVER. I never used a single exploit or cheat in this game. I can't speak for a whole alliance, but I have never whitnessed anyone flying in my gang cheat. You can probably say the same thing. However, that doesn't mean it hasn't happened in Bob/ASCN. I personally only whitnessed only 1 exploit during the whole course of the war. And that was when my Myrmidon got shot while being inside the POS shields. I never left that POS shield when it happened (was cooking dinner and not actively participating in the gang when it happened), and I got locked by several snipers. Take it as you want, but after hearing some alliance got busted using a passive targeter exploit to do exactly that, I am pretty convince that's what happened. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying ALL of BoB are cheaters, or that none of the ASCN dudes cheated, but exploits WERE used during this war. _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:35:00 - [180] Edited by: fire 59 on 31/01/2007 12:35:30 Originally by: Gibmundur Edited by: Gibmundur on 31/01/2007 12:01:33 Why did bob cross the street? ... cause they had 2 to 1 odds! Coz we outnumbered ascn 2-1 ? Me points to afterschool math's class



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