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Karl Chroimcer Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:58:00 - [61] Just to remind everyone, criticizing what CYVOK wrote is not a problem, but open flaming is not and will be removed. The Aussie Mod

Phoenixgurl Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:04:00 - [62] Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Phoenixgurl I can't beleive Cyvok you still don't understand why ASCN lost the war. ASCN wasn't "good" at PvP, they were horrible and that's why you guys lost. That's it, that's all. And don't post things like "The titan didn't matter to me" ... it's like when you loose your GF after 3 years of communial life and say "bah, I don't care" ... yeah right dude! It's just a ship. Took him about a year to build & train, I'm sure it hurts somewhere... -------------------------- When the universe collapses and dies, there will be 3 survivors: Tyr Anasazi, the cocroaches ... and Dylan Hunt trying to save the cocroaches. --Tyr (Andromeda)
CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Buxaroo CYVOK, you fail to see the whole point of 0.0 and the concept of conquering it. What about all those alliances that you listed as the ones that your alliance has conquered? Now that the shoe is on the other foot all of a sudden bob are evil and are exploiters etc. So what if they are online "80%" of the time. What's wrong with dedication? Sure it's a game. So is football. So is poker. People don't just play to have fun. They play to win as well. The differances is ASCN was not the attacker in any war we fought, with the exception of Tribe. We were under attack from day 1 of our existance and we survived for 2 years. Thats a good run for a misguided, week alliance full of carebears. The problem with BoB is they are the cause of 90% of the issues they complain about by virtue of the way the approach EvE. The other problem with BoB is that it is full of sheep that have no creativity or drive to succede on their own. Players join BoB because it is easier to become part of the #1 mob in EvE rather then try to build their own empire. ASCN tried to build its own instead of taking the easy path. I am very proud of what ASCN achieved, we built something amazing from nothing. BoB just destroys and assimilates. -CYVOK-
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:06:00 - [64] I believe ASCN failed because: 1)You believed because you built such a wonderful 0.0. model(which I admire btw) that you could not fail. 2)You believed that most of ASCN cared about it just as much as you did. 3)You believed BoB would never truly try and destroy you. 4)You underestimated how feeding utterly mindless amounts of kills to a pvp alliance not only weakens your fighting force but strengthens the other side. 5)You actually believed this quote, Originally by: CYVOK -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly,
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:06:00 - [65] I think that CYVOK is really a good manager type person who can make the alliance into a great industrial power. But at same time, CYVOK totally sucks in PvP, he doesn't understand the nature of EVE PvP, yet he tries to be the top general of all fleets. The combination of these factors inevitably results in tragedy. On one side, people respect him for what he built. On the other hand, there's the justified hate of people whose life is all about pvp, as they see the horrible flaws in CYVOK's approach to all aspects of pvp. ASCN could have been a truely successful alliance if CYVOK only controlled the industrial and diplomatic aspects of it, while someone else was in charge of all PvP related activity - someone with real talent in that area.
Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:08:00 - [66] da, the post started off ok them omgzBob are lame gankzors...and then it went down hill from there... Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:08:00 - [67] Originally by: CYVOK Originally by: Buxaroo CYVOK, you fail to see the whole point of 0.0 and the concept of conquering it. What about all those alliances that you listed as the ones that your alliance has conquered? Now that the shoe is on the other foot all of a sudden bob are evil and are exploiters etc. So what if they are online "80%" of the time. What's wrong with dedication? Sure it's a game. So is football. So is poker. People don't just play to have fun. They play to win as well. The differances is ASCN was not the attacker in any war we fought, with the exception of Tribe. We were under attack from day 1 of our existance and we survived for 2 years. Thats a good run for a misguided, week alliance full of carebears. The problem with BoB is they are the cause of 90% of the issues they complain about by virtue of the way the approach EvE. The other problem with BoB is that it is full of sheep that have no creativity or drive to succede on their own. Players join BoB because it is easier to become part of the #1 mob in EvE rather then try to build their own empire. ASCN tried to build its own instead of taking the easy path. I am very proud of what ASCN achieved, we built something amazing from nothing. BoB just destroys and assimilates. -CYVOK- So what about us that were part of BoB form the begining are we just sheeps as well? We built a war machine unlike anything else in eve and we will keep on showing that destruction is something beautiful. Tbh you should be happy we let you build your empire after you lost Xetic. You Will Cry My Name
Traffic Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:09:00 - [68] So CYVOK, in other words you are bitter: NOT because we killed your titan after you logged off with aggro timer in a DEEP safe spot, NOT because we killed your 0.0 market NOT because we killed your alliance NOT because we kicked your sorry ass back to empire to run missions (yeah I remember your last "boo hoo" post, it was almost more pathetic than this one) and even now, that YOU ARE NOT THE OFFICIAL LEADER of ASCN anymore, you're the one that comes to the EVE-O forums posting a ASCN official statement that you chose to do so in such a childish way like before, you accused BOB of hacking, exploiting, cheating, RL harassment, honorless, well... I could go on with the list but I think you got the point and all that to cover up the MASS failure you are as a leader. You are such a hypocrit CYVOK, that even now in the "official" end you choose to insult BOB because you fail and in your statement you talk about "There is nothing wrong with being respect to others." I really hope you get back to 0.0 cause one Xirtan is not enough.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:11:00 - [69] Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: Nira Li Hurts doesn't it Hardly necessary. /Ben Neither was those 3 posts ___________________________________________________________________
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:17:00 - [70] Flames incoming... Activate thermic hardeners.

CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:18:00 - [71] Originally by: Ephemeron I think that CYVOK is really a good manager type person who can make the alliance into a great industrial power. But at same time, CYVOK totally sucks in PvP, he doesn't understand the nature of EVE PvP, yet he tries to be the top general of all fleets. While I agree that I am not a good PvP general I need to correct your error. I almost never commanded any PvP fleet. I attempted to set overall objectives, like "establish a base in TPAR, but I left the actually planning and execution to those that were better than I at combat in EvE. I know my strengths and limitations, I am not a good general, I am a good leader and organizer. I have always known when to step out of the way of those that know what they are doing. ASCN simply did not have enough good Generals. We had Drakma & Crohnx and that was about it. The rest of our generals had joined BoB and the MC many months before the conflict between us started. The reason I include some details of my person life is for background. I am not looking for sympathy, I am looking for understanding. The fall of ASCN was a combination of a great many things including the real life circumstances of those involved, that is why it is relevant to the topic. As for those saying I am flaming, I am sorry you feel that way. With rare exception I have never openly flamed or insulted any individual in EvE. I may seriously dislike the way some players choose to act but I have always respected the right of each player to act as they see fit. We all pay for that right, its unfortunate that some choose to "Roll Play" the jerk instead of the honorable adversary. -CYVOK-
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:18:00 - [72] I respect BoB as pvpers, I know they are one of the best pvp oriented alliances. But damn, they got so many self righteous *****s, stroking their egoes, makes me want to puke I will always fight on opposite side of BoB, for a chance to wipe those smirks off their faces
Juhlo	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:33:00 - [73] Unidentified characters cannot post in this forum. Please show your corp/alliance before posting. Please email [email protected] if you have any questions - Karl Chroimcer
MACTEP Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:34:00 - [74] Respect
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:35:00 - [75] Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/01/2007 06:33:15 Probably my last post on the eve-O forums before my subscription runs out.... Leading an alliance like Cyvok did is probably the biggest time sink known to man. Hats off to Cyvok for putting in the time that he did even with a very demanding RL career. EVE in general is a massive time sink and trying to create a 0.0 existance is very time consuming, this is true for BoB as it was for ASCN as it is for any 0.0 alliance. The problem is what do you do with the time you have online? .... well this is the key. BoB use their online time to pursue military excellence, backed up by powerful industry... but nevertheless all their efforts are geared towards being the best at pvp that they possibly can be (the industry included), able to adapt to server conditions as and when and still execute fleet warfare. ASCN used their online time... in the words of Cyvok to "build a market in 0.0 so that players would not have to return to Empire when they got their ships destroyed, ran out of ammo or needed a skill", effectively Empire space in 0.0 And whilst this is a commendable goal it becomes irrelevant when pitched against a dedicated entitiy that lives to pvp. Yes ASCN had impressive fleets of capital ships and support... but it was not in regular use.... PVP was not ASCN's primary function. So... two alliances went head to head. They had similar stature and the theoretical manpower to fight a long bloody drawn out war... well this was on paper. In reality BoB found themselves in their element and ASCN was like a fish out of water. The truth is ASCN was woefully unprepared to face the challenge that BoB threw at it..... now whose fault is this? Is it Cyvok's? or is it the fault of the ASCN pilots that flew under the ASCN banner under ideals that were unsuitable for the cut-throat environment that is EVE 0.0? The best thing that can happen from the ASCN war is to basically put it down to experience and call it a learning experience for the ASCN pilots involved. And the lesson learnt.... if you are not pursuing pvp excellence as a 0.0 entity you are wasting your time. Its a simple but hard lesson that EVE has been teaching 0.0 inhabitants since the servers went live.... it is symptomatic of the human condition that it hasn't been learnt yet... maybe now it will.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:37:00 - [76] You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis
balrog Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:38:00 - [77] Edited by: balrog on 31/01/2007 06:39:59
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:42:00 - [78] Originally by: CYVOK While I agree that I am not a good PvP general I need to correct your error. I almost never commanded any PvP fleet. I attempted to set overall objectives, like "establish a base in TPAR, but I left the actually planning and execution to those that were better than I at combat in EvE. I know my strengths and limitations, I am not a good general, I am a good leader and organizer. A good organizer isn't necessarily a good military strategist. With a carebear having final say over all military decisions you never stood a chance. You were very good at many aspects of the game, you just bit off more than you can chew.
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:43:00 - [79] Originally by: CYVOK In its history: -ASCN conquered Omist in less them 6 hours during the SE/SA conflict. Then we did it again during the MWA/SA conflict before handing the region to LV. -We defeated SE & SA in Esoteria. -We defeated about 50 pirate Corps in Catch & Providence. -We defeated Tribal Souls in 3 days despite the fact that Tribe said they could beat BoB 2 days before ASCN got involved. -We chased G/IRON/Razor (now called D2) and all their slave Corps out of Feyth, out of Esoteria, followed them all the way back north and obliterated them utterly, culminating with the attack on the TRUST industrial complex in EC-P8R. 600 ASCN ships camped that system for 9 days while 40 BoB dreads destroyed the ship yards. ASCN undisputedly held that system for 9 days, NO ONE could do a thing about it. -We CRUSHED MASS & RA in UB5-Z -We survived 3 contracts from the MC and countless others from other merc corps. Burns his diplomacy certificate Omist was empty, except for my gang - And we shot our way out to get at SE in Esoteria UB5 station changed hands so many times we stopped counting and practically made your other station in the area unusable with a handfull of SWC members(I was there) I have yet to lose a war/conflict to you, your corp or any of your alliances CYVOK The only thing your alliance succeeded in was **ing off everyone and theyr mother as well as builind lots of stuff only to lose it. Only thing that I'm **ed off about is BoB took you out and not me.
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:45:00 - [80] who here signed up for warhammer online? u guys taking this game dam too serious yeah eve sometimes pops in RL and i say stupid dam eve stuff to people and they be like HUH? the game is addictive its the dam best game i ever played online and u all agree on that. Sir Molle meets Cyvok in RL how will you both treat each other? will you lose a friend for a game? will you not make a friend in rl cause of a game? Gl in the future Cyvok and old ASCN and GL for BoB on their future campigns just have fun guys and smile dammit respect for both and cyas in space The Master Of Chaos Celes Celes KB

Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:46:00 - [81] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis In order to avoid flames, you have to stop posting crap.
Iroku Mata	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:48:00 - [82] Originally by: CYVOK We allowed non ASCN members to dock at our stations and use our facilities and markets. NoLu asked few months before the South War, if that would be possible to come to the ASCN regions. You know what you have answerd CYBOK? Hopefull you can remember me, if not, not important. You are lying about this specific situation, probably you have dreamed about that utopia in the south. This is a game, take it easy. Cya
Cartiff Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:56:00 - [83] As can be seen by uor post cyvok, your abit bitter about the titan, but lets face it, if the bob titan had crashed/logged in the same situation you would have sold your own parents to get that killmail. Anyone would, to diable a large tactical asset such as a titan with mimimal risk is just plain good tactics. BOB were there with the assets nearby to get the job done. During NBSI/EU days we engaged ASCN for around 90% of our pvp time, and i can attend to the posts here, ascn pvp was shocking, they lacked fleet and skirmish experience. Weither this was through lack of FC's or just stupid gang members i won't know, but as everyone in eve knows, might is right and if you live in 0.0, be prepared to back the claim up with pvp ability. Its a shame ASCN died to BOB, as I'd have liked to ride through feyth flying the flag of destruction myself, but saying that, i would have moved EU to help ASCN against BOB if we weren't already busy with Geminate POSwars. You had a good run fella, take it easy. ----------------------------------- "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys" Originally by: Milivikal DeWrar GoonSwarm: powered by static electricty from polysci and law nerds rubbing stubble in thought.
TrippyX Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:00:00 - [84] Originally by: Ephemeron I respect BoB as pvpers, I know they are one of the best pvp oriented alliances. But damn, they got so many self righteous *****s, stroking their egoes, makes me want to puke I will always fight on opposite side of BoB, for a chance to wipe those smirks off their faces glad you're with us Eph As for CYVOK, yes, you didn't lead the fleets.. but John McCreedy sure as hell ain't any better at it. ____________________ I ♥ [TSYND]
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:02:00 - [85] Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Shamis Orzoz You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis In order to avoid flames, you have to stop posting crap. ???
jernej Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:18:00 - [86] For the ones who dont want to read the whole post. Here's the short version: The dog ate my homework and Bob sux. -- Plz sign my thread
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:25:00 - [87] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Shamis Orzoz You had a good run CYVOK. Ignore the flames and go out with dignity. Shamis In order to avoid flames, you have to stop posting crap. ??? If you can't see how sad, bitter and insulting cyvok's post is you probably have the same things wrong with you as cyvok himself.
Luna Liandri PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:26:00 - [88] that ... Originally by: CYVOK ... They did not care about honor (they never have), they killed the ship when I had NO way to mount a defense and they knew it. Fact is BoB hate PvP, they only enjoy ganking. If they think they donÆt have at least an 80% advantage they wonÆt move. They saw an opportunity to destroy the Titan and took it. I cannot blame them for doing so, but the circumstances were without honor. ... and that ... Originally by: CYVOK 600 ASCN ships camped that system for 9 days while 40 BoB dreads destroyed the ship yards. ASCN undisputedly held that system for 9 days, NO ONE could do a thing about it. ... made me laugh, hypocrisis ftw ... ET is just right, all that talk about respect, honour and such stuff is BS everyone and his dog uses to boast at times and whine at others ... anyway, gl to your future.
Drokar Gazer Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:26:00 - [89] Originally by: CYVOK Originally by: Ephemeron I think that CYVOK is really a good manager type person who can make the alliance into a great industrial power. But at same time, CYVOK totally sucks in PvP, he doesn't understand the nature of EVE PvP, yet he tries to be the top general of all fleets. While I agree that I am not a good PvP general I need to correct your error. I almost never commanded any PvP fleet. I attempted to set overall objectives, like "establish a base in TPAR, but I left the actually planning and execution to those that were better than I at combat in EvE. I know my strengths and limitations, I am not a good general, I am a good leader and organizer. I have always known when to step out of the way of those that know what they are doing. ASCN simply did not have enough good Generals. We had Drakma & Crohnx and that was about it. The rest of our generals had joined BoB and the MC many months before the conflict between us started. The reason I include some details of my person life is for background. I am not looking for sympathy, I am looking for understanding. The fall of ASCN was a combination of a great many things including the real life circumstances of those involved, that is why it is relevant to the topic. As for those saying I am flaming, I am sorry you feel that way. With rare exception I have never openly flamed or insulted any individual in EvE. I may seriously dislike the way some players choose to act but I have always respected the right of each player to act as they see fit. We all pay for that right, its unfortunate that some choose to "Roll Play" the jerk instead of the honorable adversary. -CYVOK- There were more good FC's than just Drakma and Crohnx. Krapz was one of the best assets in ASCN (when he was playing) The problem was that your original objective with ASCN was to become a strong alliance as opposed to Xetic which couldn't make a decision without 10 hour long meetings. The only difference was that ASCN didnt have the meetings. You broke every rule you set out for ASCN to become. Corps that joined sat on their butts filling their belly's and didnt give a crap about what ASCN was philosophically. They were there to make isk. You as the leader set that tone. You drove out your pvp'ers because you were too afraid to set anyone negative and when BoB flew small fleets/gangs into ASCN territory you prohibited ASCN pilots from entering BoB space out of fear they would attack. Well that was your mistake. You dont fend off Piranhas by NAP'ing them.. you fight them and earn their respect. Pvp'ers need targets and you avoided every confrontation you could so you could continue to build your dream industrial alliance. But you forgot the purpose of ASCN. You forgot why we created the alliance. And you made Xetic's mistake all over again. I have respect for you cyvok in that since day one that you became CEO of Celestial Horizon you had a goal and you shared that vision with your corp and you led a great band of ex - Earth & Beyond players to the top of EVE, even if only for a while. But every dream has to end, and one day even BoB's dream will end. Their members will realize that at some point, joining the winning team just to win doesnt mean anything. 90% of the fun of any objective is the path to achieving your goals, not joining in when their is only 10% left to achieve and saying you won. But neither is giving it 90% effort, and hoping the last 10% will fall into line. Your alliance failed because it could not defend itself. It lasted 3 months because it was a beast. It takes time to kill hundreds of POS. It didnt take 3 months because BoB was challenged by your pvp abilities. I say good luck Cyvok.. you achieved a lot. Respect for that, but in the end, all things change, all things die off, nothing lasts forever. Peace. ________________________________________ Drokar Gazer Not the sig your looking for. Move along.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:31:00 - [90] This only proves that human nature is more keen to destroy than build. Pretty much sums up whole ideology and motive behind 90% of EVE-Online community. I'm part of alliance that wants to destroy rather than build .. fine most people are cool with that but if I have alt that does more building game than destroying - I get accused of being carebear and whatnot. Until people realise this basic stuff, there will be events like this. It's just way too much hassle to build than to destroy. BoB conquers and crushes but they won't repair or build up those wrecks they left behind. They will instead setup vassal program and leave work to others. I think there has been only 2 alliances in EVE that I truly respect: FA and ASCN. They tried building but both got crushed by warmongers known as a B(l)oB. Let the flames begin, BOBBY! Playing Caldari-Online as a Amarr specced is PURE Hardcore



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