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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:49:05 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:I dont think it will end well.
CCP, stop until it will be too late. You will not gain money on this. It will not solve problems. It will cause many new ones. I think you probably need to be a little more specific to be useful.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14569
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:51:57 -
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Colman Dietmar wrote:Will be funny if online doesn't improve after this. Even more funny if it just continues to decline.
I'm not hoping this will happen. Hell, i can actually truthfully say that I hope i am wrong. But I am saying I think this will happen (if history is a guide). It seems gimmicky.
Some are surprised that there is not more anger at the announcement. I think that can be summed up by 1 thing, "anger fatigue". We've been slapped around so much the last couple years, everything from jump fatigue to skill injection and all the rest, that it's almost hard to get angry anymore lol. I mean, who wasn't expecting this?
I just hope that one day CCP goes back to their hardcore viking "here's a ship, **** you" ways of building upon EVE's strengths as a harsh unforgiving Darwinistic place. As it is now, CCP is trying to move forward by addressing it's weaknesses (ie attract more casual, risk averse standard mmo players who think 50 cents a day is robbery), and that's just not going to end well IMO. |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
599
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:52:19 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:2) Im sure this will increase pvp targets. But you know how crafty eve players are. I can almost promise you that some alliance is going to become the blob of T1 ships and be like a swarm of locust. It doesnt matter if you kill 50 or 100 of them because there are thousands. Your tossing a cup of water on a forest fire. Good! "Too many PvP targets" is never a thing.
Quote:3) The price of minerals are going to go through the roof because now you have masses of people buying t1 frigs> cruisers. This is going to cause everything that uses these minerals to also increase in price. If mineral prices spike, mining will increase, which will reduce mineral prices.
Quote:4) The price of plexes are going to go increase probably by 20-30% at least as the free players attempt to plex their account. Good, because that's money for CCP, and the players will get hooked on Omega state play and will hopefully become long-term players.
Quote:5) These free players are going to suck up resources that are already heavily competed for. Specifically exploration sites. That's okay. They can only train hacking to 3, they can't cloak, and they can't fly SoE ships. They won't compete for the high-end sites.
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Lunarstorm95
Iron Star Industries
34
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:52:36 -
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I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick....
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
621
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:52:53 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote: This is a social game and WHO you play with is as important to most people here as what you are playing. If the social aspect of this game becomes like F2P games, ive played in the past, i likely wont stick around. I dont want to try to relax in the middle of Daycare Online.
If that happens, you should probably consult with your corp mates and recruiters to find out why they're keeping such annoying people around. If you and enough corp mates disagree with the decision, splinter off. Unlike many games, EVE's primary chat rooms are in Alliance, Corp, and Fleet (or your coalition's equivalent of Alliance and Corp). The "global" channels are Local, Constellation (basically unused), and Region (even less used, and closes annoyingly when changing regions). Those can be blocked quite nicely to only allow yourself to see the players, all without seeing what they're saying.
Roenok Baalnorn wrote: 2) Im sure this will increase pvp targets. But you know how crafty eve players are. I can almost promise you that some alliance is going to become the blob of T1 ships and be like a swarm of locust. It doesnt matter if you kill 50 or 100 of them because there are thousands. Your tossing a cup of water on a forest fire.
Having fights isn't a bad thing.
Roenok Baalnorn wrote: 3) The price of minerals are going to go through the roof because now you have masses of people buying t1 frigs> cruisers. This is going to cause everything that uses these minerals to also increase in price.
The hilarity of this statement is that people are saying it's going to go both ways. The mass influx of Venture miners will tank mineral prices, while the vast influx of clueless players losing poorly-fit and skilled ships will increase prices. Make up your minds, eh?
Roenok Baalnorn wrote: 4) The price of plexes are going to go increase probably by 20-30% at least as the free players attempt to plex their account.
Another one I've heard people going both ways about. The Alpha players are going to farm until they can PLEX, driving PLEX prices up, and the Alpha players are going to inject PLEX to get a significant source of ISK with which they can throw out hundreds of cheap ships, thus driving the price of PLEX down. Again, make up your minds.
Roenok Baalnorn wrote: 5) These free players are going to suck up resources that are already heavily competed for. Specifically exploration sites. As it catches on we are going to have to compete more and more with free players to the point where grinding is going to become so grindy thats literally all you can do in game is try to grind a few million isk. So CCP will have to increase the amount of resources seeded in the game to match the demand, and honestly they havent been impressing me lately.
There's so much space that's unused in EVE that the most likely thing you'll see happening is vets moving to the edges with the clueless players clustering in the middle.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1607
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:53:01 -
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Hunter Anubis wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Greetings capsuleers! Today, we are happy to announce a new change thatGÇÖs coming to EVE Online in November that will fundamentally change New Eden, and how our pilots access it via the EVE client. In short, cloning scientists in New Eden have developed a new method of cloning that revolves around two new clone states, Alpha and Omega. Omega clones will be familiar to all our current players, and will operate just like a subscribed character does today. Alpha clones will be accessible for free, without subscription, and will be capable of training an assigned set of skills themed to a characterGÇÖs race. A Dev Blog has been published by Team Size Matters today with more details on this feature, and a questions and answers section where we look to clear up some initial concerns and questions regarding this change. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=452051 how about I get a little bit of credit? I sugested this same thing 11 months ago...
I've been suggesting this in random posts for like 2 or 3 years.
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thoryo darkstarz
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:53:04 -
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Zappity wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:I dont think it will end well.
CCP, stop until it will be too late. You will not gain money on this. It will not solve problems. It will cause many new ones. I think you probably need to be a little more specific to be useful. ive seen this idea fail in everyother game that has tried this
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Indanu
Pact Of Honour Red Alliance
49
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:53:32 -
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1607
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:54:01 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick....
You mean like... buying ISK? Oh wait... Uhm... buying SP? No... hang on. Buying too expensive SKINs for your shi... oh.
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
259
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:54:04 -
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Logan Revelore wrote:Good initiative.
Next up if you ask me, starting to spread a thin layer of themepark on top of the sandbox, which contains themepark stuff to do, stuff that's achieved by using sandbox tools. Rewards for daily logins next, pl0x.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:54:57 -
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Heh, i think I know what will happen later.
They will introduce other Clone states, after Alpha there will be Beta, with more skills able to be trained or active when not paying for subscription. Of course the state will be altered with you buying a certain item for aurum in shop.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5151
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:55:18 -
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Eli Stan wrote:Interesting.
So far, I cannot think of any major objections. I will try to think of ways this can be abused, but barring that I don't see it being a bad thing.
I think it'd be fine for unlimited Mega clone clients to run along with a single Alpha clone client on the same computer, but I have concerns about multiple Alpha clone clients.
First possible "abuse": Train an Alpha clone to 5m SP. Switch it to Omega state, train Cybernetics to 5, plug in +5 implants, and have an SP farm ready to go without having to pay for the initial 5m SP investment.
From a revenue standpoint...so? So they skip that first month or so, but every month after that they are coughing up the money. If that means more people with paid accounts that otherwise....how is that bad?
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Mark Hadden
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:55:21 -
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BuntCakez wrote:I actually think that EVE is probably the only MMO that can successfully pull off the F2P model. With sufficient limits on the Alpha clones, they will not be able to disturb the current state of the game in an undesirable fashion :)
I'm unsure on that, I mean if those ftp accounts will be limited in such a vast number of ways, the question is if' playing these is going to be someones desire at all. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:57:25 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Logan Revelore wrote:Good initiative.
Next up if you ask me, starting to spread a thin layer of themepark on top of the sandbox, which contains themepark stuff to do, stuff that's achieved by using sandbox tools. Rewards for daily logins next, pl0x.
Yep,. it's like that
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3914
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:57:35 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Brown Pathfinder wrote:This is a huge change to eve wich might help get new players in wich is a good thing! My personal monkey with this is as a wormhole explorer player that in periods live in the deepest space that you want to remove my ability to have cloak and pirate and t2 ships, so if i would be inactive for a while and come back in my stratios or anathema or legion and I would be in wh-space I would have to self destruct since i cant cloak while in a cov op ship Why not just pay your sub before logging in? Or: log in an alt who is someplace safe and use a PLEX.
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
260
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:57:47 -
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Indanu wrote:-+-+-¦-¦ -ò-¦-¦-¦, -Å -Ç-¦-¦ -¦-ï-+ -é-¦-¦-¦ -+-é-¦-¦-é-î 10 -+-¦-é. -+-é-+-¦-+-Å-Ä -+-+-¦-+-+-ü-¦-â. See if someone cares.
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Lunarstorm95
Iron Star Industries
34
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:58:09 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick.... You mean like... buying ISK? Oh wait... Uhm... buying SP? No... hang on. Buying too expensive SKINs for your shi... oh.
Im more talking about buying additional access for ur alpha toon. Like allowing to train t2 mods or allowe d to train other races ect ect
Kinda like swtor did. Allow you to slowly purchase yourself to a full access clone without actually subbing
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Garret Sidzaka
506 Irregulars The Volition Cult
11
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:59:42 -
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mining barges = bad idea.
i have personal friends who own more than 500 ip addresses and can fake mac addresses all damn day, and own server farms with V5 intel graphical server CPU's
i would not allow mining barges and only mining frigs. |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
602
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:00:09 -
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thoryo darkstarz wrote:Q: What happens if my training queue contains Omega skills but I am in Alpha State?
A: We will pause your training queue and it will need to be manually restarted once the Omega skills are removed or the subscription is renewed.
so if i let my sub lapse do to work my skill que is going to stop training, im sorry thats bullshit. This game will be going the way of the titanic like every other mmo thats tried this. Don't let your sub lapse. Simple.
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:00:22 -
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Indanu wrote:-+-+-¦-¦ -ò-¦-¦-¦, -Å -Ç-¦-¦ -¦-ï-+ -é-¦-¦-¦ -+-é-¦-¦-é-î 10 -+-¦-é. -+-é-+-¦-+-Å-Ä -+-+-¦-+-+-ü-¦-â.
English bro. Americans are to lazy to learn a second language or use google translate( i can say that cause im american)
Rough translation: I was glad to give you 10 years, cancelling my subscription.
Our first Russian casualty of the New Alpha Order. |
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:00:45 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:First, this is about trial vs. subscription, so in my opinion if you obfuscate this fact by using completely non-descriptive terms like "alpha" and "omega", you're doing yourselves a dis-service. You're placing a point of confusion between your game and people opening their wallets to pay you for it. I would like to recommend calling it "trial" clones and "subscribed" clones, and inventing some in-character explanation for those terms. Because that's what we're familiar with.
Second, "alpha" and "omega"? "beginning" and "end"? really? You don't envision in-between states, like us paying through our nose to unlock individual features (I want access to the Megathron dammit, I love that ship, but I don't want to pay subscription or unlock anything else)? You don't envision more-than-subscription states, such as paying 2x subscription costs to slow-train at 2x the speed? 3x subscription for 3x speed? You don't envision anything in between alpha and omega, or beyond omega?
Link the subscription model to the clones if you want, it's a fine idea.
But just name it what it is, and let the naming convention allow for shades of grey in between and beyond "subscribed" or "not".
Sooo...just to be clear you want more microtransactions, not less.
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se'na'ki'ta yey'nii
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:02:14 -
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Multiple logins from Alpha accounts from the same IP address must be prohibited, and circumventing this must be a bannable offense!
Otherwise, It does not require much thought to realise how significant and detrimental this would be. Multiple people would run multiple free accounts for semi-AFK scouting, mining, hauling etc. You would also lose many subscription memberships
Clearer naming system would preferable! For example, "restricted" and "unrestricted" account. "unqualified" and "qualified" clones; "alpha" and "enhanced" clone states. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
15123
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:04:04 -
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So when new Clone Grades? Oooops I mean States.
You can always monetize the skill capacity they are able to hold and use. Remember, greed is good.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Cookie
Snakeoil Industries Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:05:03 -
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Why trying to fish for new players when there's a problem holding the current ones ?
The term 'bittervet' doesn't come from nowhere, how many times have old characters been hit by a change that left a bitter taste ?
Trained 3 month of learning skills, after removal of them i felt it would have been more beneficial to sit 2 months earlier in a battleship back in 2003, the opportunity costs were pretty high. Lot of stuff has been dumbed down, e.g. scanning took a bit of skill and maybe also some patience to find something nice, now you get all handed on a silverplatter. Maybe patience and long term planning are bad attributes, better cater to the yolo crowd i guess :/
I mean .. the alpha account has to be heavily nerfed/restricted to prevent abuse. be it scamspam, neutral reppers, market/mining/industry, scouting* Not really sure if that's a good idea to present the game to new players who got baited by a f2p advertisement, when it's actually a p2w game. There are quite a couple free to play games that aren't really p2w but more like money fueled character progress accleration and the 'shopitems' are open to in-game trades. Those pure pay-to-win games where you basically can only play a fraction of the game with a nerfed character are not really the big love of every gamer out there. Unfortunately, in EvE you can't hand out an unlimited number of accounts with unlimited gratis playtime which are on par with the paid ones because it will totally wreck the game within weeks.
The dream of restricting people to one login will most likely not become true. Those who want to abuse/loophole a system WILL find a way or two.
Now everybody has an invite to insult and harrass people with throwaway accounts who can't be hurt by banning them.
*= (oh my god, better increase the database by a petabyte or two to hold the 8329 logged off alpha accounts in every system)
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Indanu
Pact Of Honour Red Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:05:03 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Indanu wrote:-+-+-¦-¦ -ò-¦-¦-¦, -Å -Ç-¦-¦ -¦-ï-+ -é-¦-¦-¦ -+-é-¦-¦-é-î 10 -+-¦-é. -+-é-+-¦-+-Å-Ä -+-+-¦-+-+-ü-¦-â. English bro. Americans are to lazy to learn a second language or use google translate( i can say that cause im american) Rough translation: I was glad to give you 10 years, cancelling my subscription. Our first Russian casualty of the New Alpha Order.
thnks for translate, dude :)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17846
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:05:08 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick.... You mean like... buying ISK? Oh wait... Uhm... buying SP? No... hang on. Buying too expensive SKINs for your shi... oh. Im more talking about buying additional access for ur alpha toon. Like allowing to train t2 mods or allowe d to train other races ect ect Kinda like swtor did. Allow you to slowly purchase yourself to a full access clone without actually subbing Who gives a **** what they do to the plebs, seriously as long as the sub is the last word in access to content they can do what they like.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
602
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:05:46 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Eli Stan wrote:Interesting.
So far, I cannot think of any major objections. I will try to think of ways this can be abused, but barring that I don't see it being a bad thing.
I think it'd be fine for unlimited Mega clone clients to run along with a single Alpha clone client on the same computer, but I have concerns about multiple Alpha clone clients.
First possible "abuse": Train an Alpha clone to 5m SP. Switch it to Omega state, train Cybernetics to 5, plug in +5 implants, and have an SP farm ready to go without having to pay for the initial 5m SP investment.
From a revenue standpoint...so? So they skip that first month or so, but every month after that they are coughing up the money. If that means more people with paid accounts that otherwise....how is that bad? Yeah, after thinking about it more I think it will have negligible effect, so doesn't need to be addressed by CCP.
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Noga Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:05:58 -
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been asking for something like this for a long time and glad for the alphas focused training and limits to what they can train. Gives the uninitiated the opportunity to come into the game and do more than the 14d trial -hardly an time at all to really see what is possible in EVE. Giving newbies the core skills to do some T1 frig, dessie, and cruiser action can give them the chance to dive into the game and seeing so much more available, the chance to sub to omega or not.
I'm of mixed feelings about
Q: Are there restrictions on simultaneous log on for Alpha Clones?
A: We have not decided whether the simultaneous log on restrictions from the current trial system will apply to Alpha Clones. The decision will partly depend on your feedback, as well as our technical investigations over the coming months.
-to have omega players creating alphas for quick attack fleets that no one can id will be a problem. 600 players in an alliance create 600 alphas all in cruisers even with skill limits is still 600 untraceable players back to the alliance. These 600 alphas who are really alliance X can be used to harass alliance X blues without alliance X being exposed. Keep the system in place that if you have an Omega logged in, you can't have an Alpha running -great and all, but you just don't have your Omega running...
To prevent abuse of meta-alpha'ing -restrict the amount of isk that an alpha can receive through player donations. Permit up to 100 million isk donation for the life of the Alpha. Once the 100 million isk limit is reached, player cannot be donated to. If alliance X wants to create 600 alphas and give them 100 mil as suiciders or harassers that's fine, but then the alpha must earn isk to buy their ships. If you see tons of alphas created, donated to, and then deleted, it will give you a fair idea that it's being abused.
might want to consider that alphas cannot receive 'omega' items in trade -could just trade battleships to them to sell on the market and get isk that way.
Is it possible to restrict their ability to sell ships? they should not be able to receive cruisers to put up for sale as a way to fund harassment or suicide fleets. Sure, give them 20 fitted ships, but they can only use them, not sell them.
Good luck with this. glad that newbies will have a chance to see a bit more of the game.
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Blastil
Aideron Robotics
120
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:06:06 -
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For all the hallabalu about mining multiboxers -
- To add up to just 1 T2 fit procurer, you will need to fly 3 t1 fit mining frigates
- To add up to just 1 hulk, you will need to fly 3 T1 fit mining frigates
I know we all like to **** on multiboxers, but even the best of them would have a hard time managing a fleet 4x the size of their current hulk fleets (not to mention the LAG this would cause on clients. Not to mention that this game play mechanic isn't a terrible thing for EVE, since resources in eve ARE limited substances. Go try to find an asteroid in some highsec mining hubs, I dare you.
I for one would welcome a multi-boxed fleet of mining ships out in 0.0 space trying to make a buck. It would certainly add to the diversity of the game. Material input in eve will NOT (as some have predicted) lead to inflation, but rather deflation as mineral prices plummet and people react to that issue. This in turn will increasingly make multiboxing veldspar hoovering alts unprofitable, and force them to relocate to more lucrative areas of space with higher risks.
In no conceivable way is more players bad for the game. Especially if these players are limited in scope.
I will say that however I'm an advocate of safety locking these players while in highsec to eliminate the exploitation of the ganking mechanic entirely. Yellow safety should be sufficient, so they can still do shady PVP, but not outright Concordoken violence. If you want a lore reason for this, why would empires provide free clones that could cause havoc in their empires? Its all subliminal conditioning, or fluoride water, or something.
I also think the suggestion of limiting one alpha client per computer is a good one as well. Free players shouldn't get to multibox the way paid players do. This should eliminate problems with an account in every plex ruining faction warfare.
Lastly I think Alpha characters should be deleted if they show inactivity over a long period of time (and have never been at any time Omega characters), which should help to eliminate extra characters cached in key systems to be logged on at a moments notice for some activity like scouting or logon traps |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1609
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:06:12 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick.... You mean like... buying ISK? Oh wait... Uhm... buying SP? No... hang on. Buying too expensive SKINs for your shi... oh. Im more talking about buying additional access for ur alpha toon. Like allowing to train t2 mods or allowe d to train other races ect ect Kinda like swtor did. Allow you to slowly purchase yourself to a full access clone without actually subbing
I doubt that will ever happen in that way, as that would open up all the abuse scenarios they're trying to avoid right now. Buy access to Cyno skill, never pay again, free cyno alt forever. Nope.
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