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Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:07:46 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:So when new Clone Grades? Oooops I mean States.
You can always monetize the skill capacity they are able to hold and use.
Soon.
As usual: tons of negative feedback - CCP doesn't give a drek.
Yeah, i'm still pissed off 'bout Evelopedia.
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Cytherea Deesse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:07:49 -
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Why no heavy drones for gallente?
Like vexor main bonus is to drones and has 75 mb so can field 2 heavy, 2 medium and 1 light drone.
With limits you put in gallente alpha clone that is not possible it will only be allowed to field 5 medium drones.
Overall I think idea is oki, but fear that it will be abused, eve players have a habit of pushing the boundries.
Like others have pointed out I think, FW, industry/PI, and market are the areas that has most potentiel of abuse AND hurting the eco system in NE.
With eve players history of finding loop holes in the mechanincs and the areas ppl have already pointed out in the thread, I hope that alpha clone system doen't go live, before it has all been thought thrugh, so the risk is small of abuse to happen. So don't rush things, cause some of the idea can have big impact on eco system.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3915
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:08:08 -
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Hmm, Alpha is the first letter, Omega the last....
CCP, what are you planning for all the letters in between?
I know at one time you were planning on allowing us to use the same character for different games, like Valkyrie or Gun-jack. Is that still on the table? I get into my Gamma clone when I want to play Valk, or something like that?
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:08:23 -
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I want free alts for everyone.
It's definitely preferrable to allow a free Alpha for every Omega ....
... and by that i mean two clients at the same time running.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
602
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:09:05 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick.... You mean like... buying ISK? Oh wait... Uhm... buying SP? No... hang on. Buying too expensive SKINs for your shi... oh. Im more talking about buying additional access for ur alpha toon. Like allowing to train t2 mods or allowe d to train other races ect ect Purchasing access like that already exists. It's called "PLEX" or "subscription."
Quote:Kinda like swtor did. Allow you to slowly purchase yourself to a full access clone without actually subbing I don't see the distinction...?
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Kilarya Amarri
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
7
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:09:15 -
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I my self would prefer that anyone at ccp made an effort and made it more deeper than clones A and B for gameplay sake...
Say new clones are empire breakthrough in pod tech it allows any human to achieve pod pilot like capabilities in attempt to close gap we currently enjoy and exploit oh so much.
Below all of that i see it for what it is FTP and i am not and probably never been fanboy enough to talk **** about it when other games do it but somehow justify it when eve gets it,
it will be exploited by ppl that are already in game most and due to fundamental problems this game suffer from new ppl will not stick around....my opinion of it anyway
not much left to sell off and soup youd **** in is getting cold...bon appetit. |
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:09:49 -
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I'm fine with some free access for eve under 2 conditions:
1) Plex remains affordable
2) This doesn't devolve into one of those crappy incarna shituations where CCP is trying to milky milky the new and existing client base through micro transactions.
"How many greek letters can we squeeze between alpha and omega? As many as we can divise payment schemes for muahaha" |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
36
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:11:00 -
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Joia Crenca wrote:That's a thought, although one computer these days could have multiple virtual computers running on it, so blocking via computer will have to really be worked out. EULA Section 7 D (Monitoring) : You agree that CCP may remotely monitor your Game hardware solely for the purpose of establishing whether in playing the Game and accessing the System you are using software created or approved by CCP, or whether you are using unauthorized software created by you or a third party in contravention of Section 6."
It comes down to the question, can they detect Virtual Machines and VPNs when someone tries to bypass login restrictions imposed to Alpha accounts as they are imposed on trial accounts, or can't they.
My answer is; multiboxing is allowed and encouraged. Not abusing of the system. ISboxing was banned a while ago.
Furthermore, if you see someone exhibit suspicious bot-like swarm behaviour and you're not sure if they are one person or many? I'd say just submit a ticket. Then CCP can set some feelers out.
I don't think CCP will allow more than one Alpha account be online at the same time with another Alpha or Trial.
It's either going to be one Alpha per computer, like the trial, or it's one Alpha + as many Omegas as you want.
Missy Bunnz wrote:Beware the Gnosis Alphaswarm. That'd be fun, not gonna lie 
...but I doubt it will happen. You've seen how they can restrict modules based on Alpha and Omega clone state. They can easily make exceptions for ships.
Teckos Pech wrote:Mining ships are not part of any faction/race, so I'd guess most of those will be unavailable to them.
Look at the devblog. They can only fly Mining Frigates, not Mining Barges and not mining exhumers. They still can get creative and mine in a crui- ohwhoamikidding.
Roenok Baalnorn wrote funny stuff which Eli Stan answered followed by Winter Archipelago as well, both delivering the bullet of reason expertly.
Can't add anything more but thumbs ;)
Cookie wrote:*= (oh my god, better increase the database by a petabyte or two to hold the 8329 logged off alpha accounts in every system) Do you know how many dozen of million characters already are in the database where some of them have not seen the light of day for a decade?
Furthermore for everyone else fearing this will be a hostile Alpha takeover;, likely you do not know or remember the times when simultaneous Trial accounts online on Tranquility were limited to 1500. It's easy to put a limit.
Henry Plantgenet wrote:"How many greek letters can we squeeze between alpha and omega? As many as we can divise payment schemes for muahaha" You mean, as many as there were medical clone grades? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17846
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:11:43 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick.... You mean like... buying ISK? Oh wait... Uhm... buying SP? No... hang on. Buying too expensive SKINs for your shi... oh. Im more talking about buying additional access for ur alpha toon. Like allowing to train t2 mods or allowe d to train other races ect ect Kinda like swtor did. Allow you to slowly purchase yourself to a full access clone without actually subbing I doubt that will ever happen in that way, as that would open up all the abuse scenarios they're trying to avoid right now. Buy access to Cyno skill, never pay again, free cyno alt forever. Nope.
They'd lose the usage of the skill once the sub lapsed, if for instance you were to stop payment, the only effective so on your main would be that in the skills listed in the blog.
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
623
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:12:32 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Indanu wrote:-+-+-¦-¦ -ò-¦-¦-¦, -Å -Ç-¦-¦ -¦-ï-+ -é-¦-¦-¦ -+-é-¦-¦-é-î 10 -+-¦-é. -+-é-+-¦-+-Å-Ä -+-+-¦-+-+-ü-¦-â. English bro. Americans are to lazy to learn a second language or use google translate( i can say that cause im american) Rough translation: I was glad to give you 10 years, cancelling my subscription.
Don't forget the threat to go play Elite.
@Roenok Baalnorn: -£-+-¦-â -+-+ -Å -+-+-¦-é-î -ü-¦-+-¦ -+-¦-é-¦-Ç-+-¦-+?
(Google Translate of "Can I have your stuff?")
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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
95
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:12:34 -
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Neva Second wrote:In an effort to increase players I think its a great concept, if I hadn't purchased a 6mo subscription out of the gate I would not still be playing years later. Eve takes time to wrap your head around and see how the game differs from other MMO's. Having time to train up some basic skills and experience it without hitting your wallet is a good thing for everyone.
*However: As a bitter vet who uses capitals pretty frequently I would love CCP to reconsider the Cyno skill exclusion. Many players like me have 1-2 accounts with nothing but cyno alts to help move their caps around the board.
So with free accounts you could have 30 or 40 Cyno alts logged off in every system in your region.
On the bright side hunting capitals would become a thing again ... although much much easier |
Grookshank
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
119
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:12:54 -
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Please restrict the Alpha Clone accounts like the trials, so that only one can be launched and not on top of an omega one. It is *not* about the ganging and restricting their safety in high-sec. It is about people having free scout alts in many systems, on wormholes, etc.
Please do not let this happen.
If you want to give players free to play access, they don't need multiple accounts to try out the game and eventually upgrade to an Omega Clone, but it would be massively abused to enable players to log in an army of free alts at the same time.
Please do not let this happen.
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Indanu
Pact Of Honour
Red Alliance
49
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:13:20 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Indanu wrote:-+-+-¦-¦ -ò-¦-¦-¦, -Å -Ç-¦-¦ -¦-ï-+ -é-¦-¦-¦ -+-é-¦-¦-é-î 10 -+-¦-é. -+-é-+-¦-+-Å-Ä -+-+-¦-+-+-ü-¦-â. English bro. Americans are to lazy to learn a second language or use google translate( i can say that cause im american) Rough translation: I was glad to give you 10 years, cancelling my subscription. Our first Russian casualty of the New Alpha Order.
realy? Russia casualitu player?
I'll give my opinion . okay? I 'll explain that kills f2p games , all the games that I personally played |
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
1076
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:14:03 -
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Quality product almost always sells.
Why not focus all these efforts on making the product better, rather than simply opening up more avenues to selling it?
I can't say this is wholly a terrible idea, but CCP isn't simply aren't addressing attrition enough, thus it leaves a terrible suspicion in the player base that you are just hoping to burn out the life of this game in an ungracious manner, milking it for all the worth that is left in it.
Yes, this may get new blood in, but the past years have just had terrible and sweeping changes which leave left persistent subscribers scratching their heads as to why they are even subbing any more. Hilariously emotional balancing on capitals, draconian changes to jump drives, a gutting of sov mechanics and content seeds, a stale and brittle ship meta, etc.
Work on the NPE driving players to seek other players. Make holding space actually worth something. Fix the dinosaur standings mechanics so joining FW isn't a life long 90s MUD era grind to fix.
Throw a bone to the veteran, persistent subscribers, and soon.
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Indanu
Pact Of Honour
Red Alliance
49
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:16:13 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Indanu wrote:-+-+-¦-¦ -ò-¦-¦-¦, -Å -Ç-¦-¦ -¦-ï-+ -é-¦-¦-¦ -+-é-¦-¦-é-î 10 -+-¦-é. -+-é-+-¦-+-Å-Ä -+-+-¦-+-+-ü-¦-â. English bro. Americans are to lazy to learn a second language or use google translate( i can say that cause im american) Rough translation: I was glad to give you 10 years, cancelling my subscription. Don't forget the threat to go play Elite. @Roenok Baalnorn: -£-+-¦-â -+-+ -Å -+-+-¦-é-î -ü-¦-+-¦ -+-¦-é-¦-Ç-+-¦-+? (Google Translate of "Can I have your stuff?")
-+-¦-é -+-¦ -+-+-¦-¦-ê-î, -+-+-é-+-+-â -ç-é-+ -+-+-¦ -+-¦-+-î -¦-¦-+-¦-é-î -+-¦ -é-¦-¦-Å -¦-+-+-é-Ç-¦-¦-é
@Goole translate "No you can not, because I'm too lazy to make a contract with you" |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8662
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:16:45 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick....
That's the entire purpose of this.
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
38
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:17:39 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote:So with free accounts you could have 30 or 40 Cyno alts logged off in every system in your region.
Read the list in the devblog, will you. Or better, use the browser search and put in "cyno"
You're welcome.
Sheesh. |
Asgard 2
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:17:43 -
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CCP Falcon,
I have friends who have stopped playing ages ago, and who have let their accounts run out while sitting inside their Super Capitals. What happens if they log back in on an Alpha Account inside a Super Cap?
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
938
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:18:13 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote:Neva Second wrote:In an effort to increase players I think its a great concept, if I hadn't purchased a 6mo subscription out of the gate I would not still be playing years later. Eve takes time to wrap your head around and see how the game differs from other MMO's. Having time to train up some basic skills and experience it without hitting your wallet is a good thing for everyone.
*However: As a bitter vet who uses capitals pretty frequently I would love CCP to reconsider the Cyno skill exclusion. Many players like me have 1-2 accounts with nothing but cyno alts to help move their caps around the board. So with free accounts you could have 30 or 40 Cyno alts logged off in every system in your region. On the bright side hunting capitals would become a thing again ... although much much easier
The only way is that these 30-40 accounts would have to first be subscribed and then reactivated every time you want to use them to cyno. In that case, so what?
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
5153
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:18:55 -
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Ryzhik Belka wrote:Swarms of ventures will drive mineral costs to zero.
Yeah, no.
Back when we were routinely hitting 45,000 people logged in we did not see this. Now we are typically around 25,000. How many people do you think are going to logging in?
These kind of histrionics are just foolish.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1611
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:20:07 -
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Asgard 2 wrote:CCP Falcon,
I have friends who have stopped playing ages ago, and who have let their accounts run out while sitting inside their Super Capitals. What happens if they log back in on an Alpha Account inside a Super Cap?
Read. The. F*cking. Blog.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
5153
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:20:21 -
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Asgard 2 wrote:CCP Falcon,
I have friends who have stopped playing ages ago, and who have let their accounts run out while sitting inside their Super Capitals. What happens if they log back in on an Alpha Account inside a Super Cap?
Hahahaha...
Maybe they should pay their sub until they get the super safe. 
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Blastil
Aideron Robotics
120
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:21:27 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick.... That's the entire purpose of this.
i'm not entirely sure what's wrong with that. Having two parallel subscription models isn't a bad thing. If someone wants to play fremium where they pay for the game they want and choose to play the 'small' eve universe for free, I can't fault them for buying SKINS, or maybe paying a little extra $$ to unlock a specific part of the game like a ship class, or maybe T2 modules. And then paying a little extra $$ to buy plex for skill injectors to train instantly instead of over time. Considering that you already pay $100 or more every year on this game, whats crazy about someone paying $80 for a hacked down version of the game? |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:22:29 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Quality product almost always sells.
Why not focus all these efforts on making the product better, rather than simply opening up more avenues to selling it?
I can't say this is wholly a terrible idea, but CCP isn't simply aren't addressing attrition enough, thus it leaves a terrible suspicion in the player base that you are just hoping to burn out the life of this game in an ungracious manner, milking it for all the worth that is left in it.
Yes, this may get new blood in, but the past years have just had terrible and sweeping changes which leave left persistent subscribers scratching their heads as to why they are even subbing any more. Hilariously emotional balancing on capitals, draconian changes to jump drives, a gutting of sov mechanics and content seeds, a stale and brittle ship meta, etc.
Work on the NPE driving players to seek other players. Make holding space actually worth something. Fix the dinosaur standings mechanics so joining FW isn't a life long 90s MUD era grind to fix.
Throw a bone to the veteran, persistent subscribers, and soon.
Amen.
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Marsha Mallow
2900
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:22:39 -
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Noga Taranogas wrote:-to have omega players creating alphas for quick attack fleets that no one can id will be a problem. 600 players in an alliance create 600 alphas all in cruisers even with skill limits is still 600 untraceable players back to the alliance. These 600 alphas who are really alliance X can be used to harass alliance X blues without alliance X being exposed. Keep the system in place that if you have an Omega logged in, you can't have an Alpha running -great and all, but you just don't have your Omega running...
To prevent abuse of meta-alpha'ing -
Might just be me but this sounds hilarious. Btw any group that does this will get it repaid in turn. There are several alliances now capable of pulling very high numbers. I doubt they'd even ninja about pretending it isn't them, they'll be chestbeating and falling all over the forums smugging in no time. If it became seriously exploited CCP can always smack the alliance leaders with a temp ban to curb the practice. But for all you know it might end up being a content generator rather than a griefing tool. Although it does seem like a workaround to the fatigue changes that would allow armies to be stationed in multiple spots, which is probably a legit concern.
Jenn aSide wrote:Some are surprised that there is not more anger at the announcement. I think that can be summed up by 1 thing, "anger fatigue". We've been slapped around so much the last couple years, everything from jump fatigue to skill injection and all the rest, that it's almost hard to get angry anymore lol. I mean, who wasn't expecting this?
To be fair tho Jenn, most of the complainers who tried to block these changes were hardcore forumites playing Skill Queue Online themselves, who had set themselves up as rabid gatekeepers on a range of topics and simply couldn't handle being contradicted by CCP. The sky has not fallen because tradable SP was introduced. Even the people who yelled the loudest over the Isabotter ban are still around. Phoebe was probably mistimed and should have been introduced in conjunction with the cap changes so that people didn't mass unsub their cap alts in the interim, granted. Hindsight is always clearer - but in reality a lot of us did support the change at the time to try shake things up - and it worked for areas like lowsec and WH space.
The complaint that I don't get here is the 'oh god we're going to be overrun by kiddies and gold sellers and bots.' Uhm, this isn't the type of game that is likely to attract or retain kiddies. They'll be a nuisance at best - and we could request the ability to block Alphas entirely from ingame chat if we personally find them so annoying. 5+ years ago Jita was overflowing with temp gold sellers - and they have dwindled partly because they struggle to compete with Plex prices, and partly because CCP gave us an insta report block button that appears to be acted upon super fast. It's true if that behaviour is evident CCP may need to hire more GMs, but that would be the result of a massive influx of completely new players.
From comments I've seen in the past the vast majority of new subs actually come from the existing pool of unsubbed players, of which there are millions. If anything, unless there's a dramatic marketing strategy that actually works to pull in completely fresh players, chances are the majority of Alphas will be returning players. How is this a bad thing?
Svara - haha u said flow
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
5153
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:23:11 -
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Henry Plantgenet wrote:
"How many greek letters can we squeeze between alpha and omega? As many as we can divise payment schemes for muahaha"
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Captain Torlek
Nocturnal Romance
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:23:14 -
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most of the devblogs i have posted on i have been quite negative
usually i think the proposals are quite crazy, See fozziesov and jump fatigue
but i think alsong as this is implemented correctly with some restrictions it should be ok
i would say change the trial system so that 1 alpha account can be used with other omega accounts logged in (us bitter vets like our unknown alts) would really like cynosural field generator skill but fully understand the reasons why that won't be included and support them
would like to see in highsec the alpha clones be restricted to amber safety level, so this would not allow for a massive increase in ganking. and require new players to venture into lowsec/nullsec for pvp (just a thought)
not sure about limiting it to specific races as new players would not know which race they would like so might be best to leave it available to try out all the different ships and weapon systems.
i don't see this as a change to eve in terms of the main mechanics, its still internet spaceships.
just don't want to see specialised blueprints that are purchased for real life money, entering the game and providing a big advantage to real life wallet warriors.
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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
38
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:24:20 -
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Asgard 2 wrote:I have friends who have stopped playing ages ago, and who have let their accounts run out while sitting inside their Super Capitals. What happens if they log back in on an Alpha Account inside a Super Cap?
Let's sing the reprise of;
"Read the devblog,
will you,
you're welcome."
It's a fantastic song. I should write it.
Quote:Q: What happens if I log in as an Alpha but IGÇÖm in a ship with required Omega skills?
A: You will be allowed to fly the ship until the next time you dock, but any ship bonuses or attributes will not gain the benefits of Omega skills.
So basically, fly a hunk of junk with no bonus attributes and likely all modules being offline. Good luck. |
Grapez
Moviintti
18
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:25:35 -
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The reason for this change, the ONLY REASON, is to get more players. It's clear that the PCU number will increase, but CCP won't get money from all of those.
This is dumb, IMO. The max daily PCU right now is about 25k. That's more than when I started this account over 10 years ago, and back then I certainly didn't get the feeling that Eve was empty or needed more players.
If CCP wants there to be more players, then focus on making the game better. Loading up Eve (and your petition queues...) with players who aren't even paying you is straight stupid. |
Voxinian
102
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:25:51 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick.... That's the entire purpose of this.
Any company needs to make changes to survive. Good or bad, micro transactions have become a normal thing on the gaming market and it is proven to work (most of the time). If that will make the game/product better or not is an other discussion. In the end it's about CCP having a profitable game. Without profit, no EVE.
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