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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:11:27 -
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Inevitable, and better implemented than it could have been.
I'll add my +1 to the limitation of alpha accounts in use - if you allow subbed players to log in an alpha account simultaneously, literally every subbed player in 0.0 or lowsec will be scouting themselves around with a free disposable scout, dualboxing suicide ewar frigates to every fight (be it a blocwar fleet engagement or a 1v1 on a gate), etc. Logging in an alpha account should prohibit us from logging in any other account, be it Alpha or Omega, unless you want to dive head first into a rabbit-hole.
Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
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Syri Taneka
Un4seen Development
Sev3rance
142
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:11:29 -
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Mostly cool with this.
Two things:
1) Force Safety On for Alpha clones (should probably do this for newbies as well, but that's a different matter). This will protect us from gank fleets of freebees, and protect unaccustomed players from highsec griefing shenanigans.
2) Disallow Alpha accounts and Omega accounts being online simultaneously from the same computer/IP address. Because an obvious abuse of this new mechanic is alt scouts and freebee tackle.
(Yes I am intentionally spelling it FreeBee, as a reference to Goonswarm.) |
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
96
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:11:34 -
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Zappity wrote:So what will beta clones be?
Do you think you will be able to upgrade to a Beta clone via an upgrade via Aur store
Upgrade to beta now - only $21 and you too will be able to fly Battlecrusiers.
BUY NOW and get a free upgrade so you to can use Tech 2 missiles |
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
351
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:12:05 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
Honestly it might make more sense to remove SP entirely. The restrictions are mostly geared around industry and specific ships/modules they don't seem to want free players using. If they're going to go free to play, its better to get people into the game and make the extra content worth paying for.
-Liang
It is an option but I think it would be better if SP would be kept also for the free clones. It is an significant aspect of EVE, including the training offline part and as in my eyes the "free" account is kind of supposed to be just the new trial without time limit it would make sense to show more aspects of the game as it is.
Ofc this would also draw in many old players who are going to log in to see what is up and keeping the SP visible and giving a clear hint why some levels are locked might prevent some panic about "dude I had like 100 mil SP and where it is now".
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Titus Cole Dooley
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:12:06 -
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I would be ok with this if it was on the test server and TQ. |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
4409
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:12:51 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:In other news, CCP has announced new "golden" ammos for each race!
Amarr - Conflag, Scorch, Gleam, Aurora
Caldari - Rage, Javelin, Fury, Precision
Gallente - Void, Null, Javelin, Spike
Minmatar - Hail, Barrage, Quake, Tremor
Just think: no longer will OGBs be the standard reason that someone lost a fight to you. It'll because you're subbed or "p2w". Squee!
-Liang
Ed: Gonna roll with Caldari being pure missiles and skip T2 drones entirely; the point should stand despite the mild inaccuracies. Thanks for pointing out the missing missiles (and drones). You can't make an EVE-like game F2P without it being some flavor of P2W. Anything passive and significant is a no-go, just asking to get farmed. Passive for a casual = active and massively parallel for someone more serious. Just ask the guy who ran 300 skill farming alts. This game is a complex EVE-like browser game. Trying to explain it in a few words is a lot like trying to explain EVE in a few words. It has some design lessons which are very applicable to this topic.
I don't really agree. I don't feel that this design would be P2W:
- Remove SP entirely (effectively giving everyone "max skills")
- Use the entitlement system built on top of ship skins (time based and permanent) to create entitlements for ships and modules.
- Create a rotating free entitlement for the F2P people (Amarr week! Frigate week! Battleship week!).
- Sell entitlements on the aurum store, on the market (NPC seeded to be a giant ISK sink), and add them to the deadspace loot tables for faction NPCs.
The target would be that 4-5 ships with the right monthly entitlements should be equivalent to the price of a monthly account.
-Liang
Ed: The goal from that point would be to look for improving retention and driving players to the parts of the game that make money. Arguably FW would become part of the game that drives flat retention as a counter to the instance PVP that happens in so many other places.
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Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
424
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:14:15 -
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So could I put those 5 accounts on my 4 PC's, 1 mac and 3 Linux - I do have access to a NOC so they could all be separate ip's - I forgot the 3 laptops
Shucks - I guess I could only have 54 free pi alts
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As I mentioned you put limits on the total amount of skills level you can have for PI which would in fact limit your ability to create lvl 3/4 PI products. Perhaps limit the skill to level 1 or 2 - that will limit extractors and other bits.
If you want 54 single log in PI alts - you have 4 pcs so 4 log ins at a time to harvest limited amounts of t1 PI items i say go for it, you are in the absolute minority of players. I can only imagine the hell of having to do that, but hey if that is your thing then so be it.
I am more concerned about the 54 free t2 fitted catalysts and thrasher throwaways. So i would support having limits on the ability to gank in high sec ie: your security can only be set to green.
CCP has to balance giving people a 'playable' experience and letting people try different things so that they want to play more and expand their personal empire with addons and subscriptions.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3434
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:16:08 -
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Skimmed the blog again, didn't see this - what is the reduction in skill training rate for Alphas?
Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
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Princess Adhara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:16:22 -
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The way it's been laid out, it doesn't look like F2P, but extended trial, since you don't get to pay for unlocks piecemeal, you either sub/plex for omega state, or go free for alpha state.
Which I think is good and I hope won't change. |
Kenrailae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
618
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:20:11 -
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Higgs Foton wrote:A lot of players coming in who can fly T1 fitted T1 cruisers at max (keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis! That ship is going to be the top dog for alpha clones)? Seems like a lot of profit can be made for people who produce this stuff.
I have a fully researched venture BPO on one of my accounts. I smell PROFIT. :)
That's a good point. Luxury Yacht's and Gnosisisisis
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
424
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:20:17 -
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Princess Adhara wrote:The way it's been laid out, it doesn't look like F2P, but extended trial, since you don't get to pay for unlocks piecemeal, you either sub/plex for omega state, or go free for alpha state.
Which I think is good and I hope won't change.
I agree
I have no problem with CCP selling them AUR and letting them bling their T1 limited stuff either. In fact CCP should create more things for the CQ and let the newbies bling themselves silly with AUR sales. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3338
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:20:28 -
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Syri Taneka wrote:Mostly cool with this.
Two things:
1) Force Safety On for Alpha clones (should probably do this for newbies as well, but that's a different matter). This will protect us from gank fleets of freebees, and protect unaccustomed players from highsec griefing shenanigans.
2) Disallow Alpha accounts and Omega accounts being online simultaneously from the same computer/IP address. Because an obvious abuse of this new mechanic is alt scouts and freebee tackle.
(Yes I am intentionally spelling it FreeBee, as a reference to Goonswarm.)
Point #1 is reasonable. I think it'll probably be necessary, in fact. It will be necessary. I will make it necessary. 
Point #2 is... not a good point. Most players have scouting alts on their Omega accounts now. There really isn't much difference between that and an Alpha clone. Lots of players don't use scouts as it is because they are too lazy, not because they don't have a spare character slot. I think for #2, it would be a smarter play to wait and see. I'll bet you not much changes. |
Flame Huany
Sr-38 Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:21:15 -
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This really worries me. I have been on other MMO games that went FTP and found them to go down hill in about a year. The primary feature of EVE that has set it apart from the others is the continued relationship with friends and enemies. In other games this usually went by the board as buying and selling of important goods eroded the established markets and group memberships. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2744
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:21:51 -
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Quote:The CSM heard about this concept just a couple days ago--basically the same time you are
Why do they exist again? They do not even state their opinion in this thread.
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Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
96
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:23:42 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote:IOWA BANSHEE WROTE:
So could I put those 5 accounts on my 4 PC's, 1 mac and 3 Linux - I do have access to a NOC so they could all be separate ip's - I forgot the 3 laptops
Shucks - I guess I could only have 54 free pi alts
As I mentioned you put limits on the total amount of skills level you can have for PI which would in fact limit your ability to create lvl 3/4 PI products. Perhaps limit the skill to level 1 or 2 - that will limit extractors and other bits.
If you want 54 single log in PI alts - you have 4 pcs so 4 log ins at a time to harvest limited amounts of t1 PI items i say go for it, you are in the absolute minority of players. I can only imagine the hell of having to do that, but hey if that is your thing then so be it.
I am more concerned about the 54 free t2 fitted catalysts and thrasher throwaways. So i would support having limits on the ability to gank in high sec ie: your security can only be set to green.
CCP has to balance giving people a 'playable' experience and letting people try different things so that they want to play more and expand their personal empire with addons and subscriptions.
Fortunately CCP has left out pi - probably because they realize that it would only take 4 lvl 1 alts to double the production on you fully skilled PI toon.
But the yellow safety sounds like a great idea |
cyonida
2
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:23:46 -
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The f2p model can certainly work wonders for revenue generation. Take a look at Star Wars the Old Republic. They went f2p and put a heavy emphasis on their cash shop. While I personally feel that this absolutely destroyed the game, their financial state is very good. I canceled my sub because the game became "extremely watered down single player cash shop online" and was no longer fun, but hey whatever pays the bills I guess. For every cancelled $15 sub, there were probably dozens of others dumping money into getting a different lightsaber color crystal or special head piece or mount or whatever.
I just hope that this doesn't happen to eve. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
DARKNESS.
2776
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:26:37 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Quote:The CSM heard about this concept just a couple days ago--basically the same time you are Why do they exist again? They do not even state their opinion in this thread.
Most dev posts and CSM posts these days happen on reddit. Plenty of both in the reddit thread for this topic.
Eve players... tend to use "colorful" language to explain their positions. Such language is moderated on the forums and gets users banned and posts deleted, but not on reddit - so more discussion happens on /r eve. |
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
625
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:29:22 -
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Higgs Foton wrote:keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis!
Unless the devs have explicitly stated that the Gnosis can be flown, the Gnosis is a Battlecruiser. It may not require and Battlecruiser skills to fly, but if the intention is to disable anything above Cruisers, they (hopefully) won't overlook it.
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Solecist Project
32759
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:31:12 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Quote:The CSM heard about this concept just a couple days ago--basically the same time you are Why do they exist again? They do not even state their opinion in this thread. Most dev posts and CSM posts these days happen on reddit. Plenty of both in the reddit thread for this topic. Eve players on reddit, average people... tend to use "colorful" language to explain their positions. Such language is moderated on the forums and gets users banned and posts deleted, but not on reddit - so more discussion happens on /r eve.
Fixed it.
Sorry.
And it's not just colourfull language.
The hivemind is literally dumb.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
6385
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:31:35 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:Higgs Foton wrote:keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis!
Unless the devs have explicitly stated that the Gnosis can be flown, the Gnosis is a Battlecruiser. It may not require and Battlecruiser skills to fly, but if the intention is to disable anything above Cruisers, they (hopefully) won't overlook it.
It only requires Command Ships 1.
... and you thought it was dangerous in hisec already.
Wait until everybody has Alpha clone gank alts in destroyers. |
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Keebler Wizard
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:31:47 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Higgs Foton wrote:A lot of players coming in who can fly T1 fitted T1 cruisers at max (keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis! That ship is going to be the top dog for alpha clones)? Seems like a lot of profit can be made for people who produce this stuff.
I have a fully researched venture BPO on one of my accounts. I smell PROFIT. :)
That's a good point. Luxury Yacht's and Gnosisisisis
Another couple idiots who can't read.
They said you will be limited to the ships of YOUR RACE.
Unless yatchs, gnossisisisisiissisisidsiofjiosdjfslk's and ventures are one of the starting races, you guys better go back to the drawing board. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
5158
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:31:54 -
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Anke Eyrou wrote:VonDerTann wrote:I just concerned about one thing: how about mulitple charactors under same account, if you are paid player, your main charactor is omega, the other two will regard as omega too or as alpha From what read in the dev blog thhey are treated as Omega.
Since you pay for an account, all characters will be Omega...just as it has always been. Don't lose your **** over this.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3338
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:34:59 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Higgs Foton wrote:A lot of players coming in who can fly T1 fitted T1 cruisers at max (keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis! That ship is going to be the top dog for alpha clones)? Seems like a lot of profit can be made for people who produce this stuff.
I have a fully researched venture BPO on one of my accounts. I smell PROFIT. :)
That's a good point. Luxury Yacht's and Gnosisisisis
Those are faction ships. I don't think Alpha Clones can fly them, unless I misread the dev blog. |
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
Cede Nullis
1471
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:39:14 -
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Carniflex wrote:Zappity wrote:
PI skills are not included in the alpha list in the devblog.
The important question is, however, if you can submit the new extraction cycle into the PI colony or not without the skills if you have the colony already installed.
Yes this is a question that I wish ccp would answer.
I would recommend that the functionality of pi not be allowed on unpaid accounts.
Why? PI is different than pvp. For PVP more pilots means more fun. Giving people free pi accounts will mainly hurt people who use a paid account.
Break people into 2 groups. 1) More time than money or 2) More money than time. Relative to the average eve player I consider myself to be in group 2.
I barely have time to go through the pi characters I currently have. So ccp telling me "hey now you (and everyone else) can have a bunch of free accounts to do pi in" has zero appeal to me. Lots of group 1 people will spend all sorts of time with their free alts and drive the prices down and I will have one less thing to do in eve.
If someone is really just trying the game out then I doubt pi is the reason they are trying it.
Even if ccp doesn't mind losing group 2 players, having a huge number of alts doing pi is a recipe for burnout.
Finally, by limiting this functionality to omega clones would be a big reason to have an omega account.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
427
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:40:19 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Quote:The CSM heard about this concept just a couple days ago--basically the same time you are Why do they exist again? They do not even state their opinion in this thread.
this year's CSM is a complete joke and the buffoonery thats coming out of it (meaning the decisions CCP makes) will prove they have absolutely no control over what ccp decides to do. i think far too many think they can change the direction the company decides to take.
besides.. its a CSMPL council so all they care about is their hotdroppers, titans, and supers.. supply them more targets to end their rants.. CCPL... sounds about right if you haven't paid attention lately.
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Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
199
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:41:47 -
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Keebler Wizard wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Higgs Foton wrote:A lot of players coming in who can fly T1 fitted T1 cruisers at max (keep in mind these people can also fly the Gnosis! That ship is going to be the top dog for alpha clones)? Seems like a lot of profit can be made for people who produce this stuff.
I have a fully researched venture BPO on one of my accounts. I smell PROFIT. :)
That's a good point. Luxury Yacht's and Gnosisisisis Another couple idiots who can't read. They said you will be limited to the ships of YOUR RACE. Unless yatchs, gnossisisisisiissisisidsiofjiosdjfslk's and ventures are one of the starting races, you guys better go back to the drawing board.
Good sir, you might want to read in on the requirements for the Gnosis.
It only required Spaceship Command 1 to fly. It has no racial skill requirements. As far as i can see an alpha clone should be able to fly these ships, because an alpha clone will be able to train Spaceship Command.
Personally i see no problem in alpha clones being able to fly the Gnosis. Its a pretty good ship for them, maybe even the best, and i have about 40 of them in my hangar. :)
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Keebler Wizard
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:42:01 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Venture's are accounted for in the skill plans. They can learn mining frigate 4Maybe you should go read it. Gnosis and Yacht's have never been tied from, nor excluded from any race. So perhaps you should chill out.
Nah maybe you should learn to read. Gnosis is above cruiser first off. And yacht? If youre an amarr pilot who can only fly amarr, why would that make the yacht eligible? |
Lugh Crow-Slave
2938
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:43:28 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Quote:The CSM heard about this concept just a couple days ago--basically the same time you are Why do they exist again? They do not even state their opinion in this thread. this year's CSM is a complete joke and the buffoonery thats coming out of it (meaning the decisions CCP makes) will prove they have absolutely no control over what ccp decides to do. i think far too many think they can change the direction the company decides to take. besides.. its a CSMPL council so all they care about is their hotdroppers, titans, and supers.. supply them more targets to end their rants.. CCPL... sounds about right if you haven't paid attention lately.
Lol ccp has been ignoring the csm for years at this point they are just for show
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Colonel Carter
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:43:56 -
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I think you should be allowed to multibox a handful of accounts since thats also a part of the eve experience. |
Kenrailae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
619
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:46:49 -
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Keebler Wizard wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Venture's are accounted for in the skill plans. They can learn mining frigate 4Maybe you should go read it. Gnosis and Yacht's have never been tied from, nor excluded from any race. So perhaps you should chill out. Nah maybe you should learn to read. Gnosis is above cruiser first off. And yacht? If youre an amarr pilot who can only fly amarr, why would that make the yacht eligible?
I can read. In fact, I can read what is and what is NOT there. There is no specific mention of either ship. What that tends to mean with CCP is someone over looked something.
And the answer to your question is simple: Because every single character in the game can fly it. So it's a very valid question: In absence of a specific statement one way or another(again, the skills for ventures are included in the trainable skills, and ventures are another of those 'well technically it's ORE but all the racial career mining agents give them out' type ships) does that statement of 'racial ship type only', which again appears to allow for consideration for the venture, allow for consideration for other ships which EVERY character in the game can fly?
So, relax, go bad post on reddit a bit, vent your angst, then come back and relax.
EDIT in response to EDIT:
Because the Yacht and Gnosis both can also be flown by trial accounts
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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