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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:28:07 -
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Drazz Caylen wrote:Asgard 2 wrote:I have friends who have stopped playing ages ago, and who have let their accounts run out while sitting inside their Super Capitals. What happens if they log back in on an Alpha Account inside a Super Cap? Let's sing the reprise of; "Read the devblog, will you, you're welcome."It's a fantastic song. I should write it. Quote:Q: What happens if I log in as an Alpha but IGÇÖm in a ship with required Omega skills? A: You will be allowed to fly the ship until the next time you dock, but any ship bonuses or attributes will not gain the benefits of Omega skills. So basically, fly a hunk of junk with no bonus attributes and likely all modules being offline. Good luck.
Or just pay your sub for that account. Log in, get your stuff safe. If you don't plan on using that account...then don't and it remains safe. If want to use the account, but not the super, then sell the super, extract all the omega skills, sell it all for lots of ISK, let your sub expire and play as an alpha with a fat wallet.
Anything else you need my help on? Making toast? Pouring a cup of coffee? Tying your shoes?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Tynian Erath
Svea Rike Circle-Of-Two
9
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:28:34 -
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Will apis show what kind of account people have active? So it will be easy to see that its a alpha or an omega at a glance when you do recuitment. |
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
95
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:29:04 -
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Drazz Caylen wrote:Iowa Banshee wrote:So with free accounts you could have 30 or 40 Cyno alts logged off in every system in your region. Read the list in the devblog, will you. Or better, use the browser search and put in "cyno" You're welcome. Sheesh.
Was a reply to someone request cyno be added to list of skill ...read the posts...Sheesh |
tasman devil
Puritans FREE GATES COALITION
80
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:29:14 -
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Fine, great.
Team Size Matters wrote:The CSM heard about this concept just a couple days ago--basically the same time you are, but we are communicating now specifically so that they can help gather your feedback and bring it to us for the summit in September, where we will be flying out the entire CSM for the first time. If you would rather talk to us directly, the forum thread for this blog is a great place to start and we will be opening up other channels, such as a Reddit AMA, in the coming weeks.
But do please tell me why the hell do we vote for CSM again when they aren't even notified of this.
I mean English may be a second language to me but it does seem to me that you neither thought nor really wanted to bring in on such a game-changing decision.
Also they are now relegated to "ticket counters". Nice work!
I don't belive in reincarnation
I've never believed in it in my previous lives either...
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2740
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:29:15 -
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"Let's alpha that miner!", totally new meaning!
Joke aside, let's look at the real problem:
To every new player coming from a classic f2p MMO this will look like the most greedy over-the-top pay2win MMO of all time:
- Can only use ships to run level 2 missions? Buy a PLEX with $ and get more ISK! - Only extremely slow SP accumulation? Buy more PLEX with $ and get more SP! - Only crappy ships and modules? Pay 15$ a month to access all the other toys! - Paid those 15$ and now you need even more SP and ISK? Get some more PLEX for $!!!
This just looks really horrible for a new player and they will look at the game and say: "No way I can play competitive without throwing money at CCP! What kind of monument to the pay2win gods is that?!!"
Now before you all cry "but it still needs player skill to fly so it's not pay to win". Every game needs player skill, so this argument is just dumb so there are either no p2w games or this is one of the worst and I hope you are glad I told you that so you did not make a fool out of yourself by brining that argument. yw.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
422
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:30:07 -
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Great. Lower entry barrier. Limit alpha clones to 1 client next to omega client.
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
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EvilSource
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:30:33 -
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Suggestion Time!
At 5m SP give a free month of Omega automatically, this will encourage people to stay until 5m, at this point they well get a month of premium skills, they will then have them disabled after 1 month which will encourage then to sub to keep them and continue tip fly there shiny new BC or whatever.
Thanks!
I love this F2P idea! |
tasman devil
Puritans FREE GATES COALITION
80
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:32:51 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:"Let's alpha that miner!", totally new meaning!
Joke aside, let's look at the real problem:
To every new player coming from a classic f2p MMO this will look like the most greedy over-the-top pay2win MMO of all time:
- Can only use ships to run level 2 missions? Buy a PLEX with $ and get more ISK! - Only extremely slow SP accumulation? Buy more PLEX with $ and get more SP! - Only crappy ships and modules? Pay 15$ a month to access all the other toys! - Paid those 15$ and now you need even more SP and ISK? Get some more PLEX for $!!!
This just looks really horrible for a new player and they will look at the game and say: "No way I can play competitive without throwing money at CCP! What kind of monument to the pay2win gods is that?!!"
Now before you all cry "but it still needs player skill to fly so it's not pay to win". Every game needs player skill, so this argument is just dumb so there are either no p2w games or this is one of the worst and I hope you are glad I told you that so you did not make a fool out of yourself by brining that argument. yw. There is one bit that you don't have to fork out immediately 100Gé¼ for a Tirpitz.
You'll fork out 12x15Gé¼ to get to a BS that you'll lose in an instant. To 100 catalysts, oh! The humanities!
I don't belive in reincarnation
I've never believed in it in my previous lives either...
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
15126
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:33:27 -
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I think they should make them Alphas pay for occupying petition queues.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Escuro
Monks of War Out of Sight.
43
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:33:55 -
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Awesome update!
A lot of friends will surely try EVE.
Also, limit the clients to N omega + 1 Alfa |
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
2207
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:35:09 -
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This all seems pretty reasonable and responsible. CCP has to be able to compete with all the F2P games out there and this proposal allows them to do that while not harming the fabric of the Eve universe.
Sorry fellow bittervets but, there's just nothing here that a reasonable person would find objectionable. Let's give it a shot and see how it all plays out.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1905
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:36:55 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:I bet it wont even take 24h until someone has written a bot that automatically creates new characters in bulk and then mines, ganks, etc with them. When the characters get banned, the bot will just reconnect for new IP, modify the computers hardware ID and start the process again.
At that level of sophistication, your 'bot' may be Turing-ready. :P
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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
95
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:37:05 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Iowa Banshee wrote:Neva Second wrote:In an effort to increase players I think its a great concept, if I hadn't purchased a 6mo subscription out of the gate I would not still be playing years later. Eve takes time to wrap your head around and see how the game differs from other MMO's. Having time to train up some basic skills and experience it without hitting your wallet is a good thing for everyone.
*However: As a bitter vet who uses capitals pretty frequently I would love CCP to reconsider the Cyno skill exclusion. Many players like me have 1-2 accounts with nothing but cyno alts to help move their caps around the board. So with free accounts you could have 30 or 40 Cyno alts logged off in every system in your region. On the bright side hunting capitals would become a thing again ... although much much easier The only way is that these 30-40 accounts would have to first be subscribed and then reactivated every time you want to use them to cyno. In that case, so what?
This was a reply to someone wanting to add Cyno to Alpha skill list - in which case free cyno alt everywhere |
Grapez
Moviintti
19
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:37:40 -
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I don't get the "CCP needs to do this to survive" argument. CCP survived for years at the same (or lower!) PCU than now. And the answer is to give the game away for free? What? If people can't get hooked after a trail period, then they can't get hooked... |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5154
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:38:55 -
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Grapez wrote:The reason for this change, the ONLY REASON, is to get more players. It's clear that the PCU number will increase, but CCP won't get money from all of those.
This is dumb, IMO. The max daily PCU right now is about 25k. That's more than when I started this account over 10 years ago, and back then I certainly didn't get the feeling that Eve was empty or needed more players.
If CCP wants there to be more players, then focus on making the game better. Loading up Eve (and your petition queues...) with players who aren't even paying you is straight stupid.
Unless people decide to switch over to Omega and start paying to access the stuff they can't as an Alpha. This mitigates the complaint that people pay for a sub just to skill up basic skills. Now that can largely be done without paying, and if a player decides he wants to have access to other parts of the game in terms of skills, and the in game items those skills engender....then money for CCP and more players for us.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Danixex Gosu
Yumping Amok Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:43:41 -
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allowing people unlimited mining accounts seems ridiculous.
for the cost of one plexed account with orca skills, a player could also have unlimited Alpha clones mining in a venture while not suffering the cost of going back to a station, which is usually the problem for small hold sized ships such as the venture.
This hardly seems to be the intent of this update and i feel the mining side of alpha clones should be looked at more closely.
i made a thread about this in general discussion, i feel it is a strong enough part to warrant such a thing. |
Soltys
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
148
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:43:43 -
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So F2P + premium subscription. Typical model
TBH
This is quite good, as long as the constraints listed in devblog are held in place (slower learning, 5m max, only subset available, etc.).
Jita Flipping Inc.: Solmp / Kovl
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Zockhandra
Dystopian Heaven Circle-Of-Two
30
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:44:18 -
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Q: What happens if my subscription ends while I'm logged in, will I be converted to Alpha in the middle of a fight?
A: In these cases, you will remain an Omega until the next time you log out. We won't ever turn skills off during the middle of a session.
Quote from CCP Announcement
Sorry, But does this mean that if your clone gets turned to alpha, then you cant fly any of the ships you spent 7 years training for? If that is the case, that is an extremely unrewarding system and (personally) ridiculously unfair to your Veteren pilots (who have funded you for more than 10 years).
If you cannot use the skills you have trained after x amount of years, whats the point in paying to aqquire them? Theres no progression there.
Shield are red, Armor is too, i slapped my heavy neut, all over you.
Fingers crossed, broken shattered and burned,
across from the bubble and into your hull.
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Kirin Amatin
Kirin Beverages Corporation
1
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:44:50 -
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There are a few ways this can be easily abused, mostly connected to hordes of cheap/free accounts.
- Support Griffin wings for PvP... keep a small stable (~10ish) logged in, bring them in to the fight as you see fit
- If I'm reading the skill list correctly, you can still put together a fairly decent ganking catalyst (or ganking vexor) army on these free accounts
- For larger alliances, it's completely free to have a spare account logged into each system. (in a POS or citadel). Watching local... (partly mitigated by the lack of cloaking)
- Alternating between paying and non-paying for certain forms of trader alts seems like it will be a thing... (even more than it is now, since you're not completely shut out of the account)
I'm not sure if locking simultaneous logins is a good idea... because Omega clones "degrade" to Alpha state when not paid. The frustration from that for someone coming back might be a bit much. For someone dedicated to getting around the problem, there are always ways. (as well as causing silly issues for anyone behind certain forms of NATting router) |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2956
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:45:35 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote:Neva Second wrote:In an effort to increase players I think its a great concept, if I hadn't purchased a 6mo subscription out of the gate I would not still be playing years later. Eve takes time to wrap your head around and see how the game differs from other MMO's. Having time to train up some basic skills and experience it without hitting your wallet is a good thing for everyone.
*However: As a bitter vet who uses capitals pretty frequently I would love CCP to reconsider the Cyno skill exclusion. Many players like me have 1-2 accounts with nothing but cyno alts to help move their caps around the board. So with free accounts you could have 30 or 40 Cyno alts logged off in every system in your region. On the bright side hunting capitals would become a thing again ... although much much easier Alpha can't use cyno.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Kirin Amatin
Kirin Beverages Corporation
1
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:46:47 -
[411] - Quote
Zockhandra wrote: Sorry, But does this mean that if your clone gets turned to alpha, then you cant fly any of the ships you spent 7 years training for? If that is the case, that is an extremely unrewarding system and (personally) ridiculously unfair to your Veteren pilots (who have funded you for more than 10 years).
If you cannot use the skills you have trained after x amount of years, whats the point in paying to aqquire them? Theres no progression there.
If you don't want to pay for access to those skills, you don't keep access to those skills. You start paying again, you get your skills back... how is this hard to understand?
But unlike currently, you can log in and tell the new corp members that things were so much better "back in my day" without necessarily paying for the privilege. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5156
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:46:53 -
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Zockhandra wrote:Q: What happens if my subscription ends while I'm logged in, will I be converted to Alpha in the middle of a fight?
A: In these cases, you will remain an Omega until the next time you log out. We won't ever turn skills off during the middle of a session.
Quote from CCP Announcement
Sorry, But does this mean that if your clone gets turned to alpha, then you cant fly any of the ships you spent 7 years training for? If that is the case, that is an extremely unrewarding system and (personally) ridiculously unfair to your Veteren pilots (who have funded you for more than 10 years).
If you cannot use the skills you have trained after x amount of years, whats the point in paying to aqquire them? Theres no progression there.
Just pay your sub and enjoy your advantage over the Alpha clones and stop whining.
Jesus, these people wanting the consumer surplus for free...you are just ridiculous.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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ugh zug
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:47:22 -
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there should be a limit to how many active alpha accounts one can log into on one machine like no more than 3.
cynosural field theory, considering most capital pilots have a second account for lighting cynos i doubt very much ccp is willing to enable payers to let go of this. if they did add it however, i would be happy to have extra cyno alt accounts to allow all my paying accounts to have capitals.
ISK transfers from alpha accounts and to alpha accounts should be disabled.
Want me to shut up?
Remove content from my post,1B.
Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.
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Danixex Gosu
Yumping Amok Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:49:15 -
[414] - Quote
ugh zug wrote:there should be a limit to how many active alpha accounts one can log into on one machine like no more than 3.
cynosural field theory, considering most capital pilots have a second account for lighting cynos i doubt very much ccp is willing to enable payers to let go of this. if they did add it however, i would be happy to have extra cyno alt accounts to allow all my paying accounts to have capitals.
ISK transfers from alpha accounts and to alpha accounts should be disabled.
not exactly sure what you're trying to say, but alpha clones wont be able to light cynos. |
Captain Campion
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
21
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:49:26 -
[415] - Quote
It strikes me as odd that you need a separate account for each alt - try remembering all that login info?! - rather than just being able to make all these on one account and train them all - but when you make a subscription just choose which character it applies to.
Is there a good reason for this? To me it just seems bad.
in b4 someone says "to me you just seem bad". <3 eve |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5156
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:49:28 -
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Kirin Amatin wrote:There are a few ways this can be easily abused, mostly connected to hordes of cheap/free accounts.
- Support Griffin wings for PvP... keep a small stable (~10ish) logged in, bring them in to the fight as you see fit
- If I'm reading the skill list correctly, you can still put together a fairly decent ganking catalyst (or ganking vexor) army on these free accounts
- For larger alliances, it's completely free to have a spare account logged into each system. (in a POS or citadel). Watching local... (partly mitigated by the lack of cloaking)
- Alternating between paying and non-paying for certain forms of trader alts seems like it will be a thing... (even more than it is now, since you're not completely shut out of the account)
I'm not sure if locking simultaneous logins is a good idea... because Omega clones "degrade" to Alpha state when not paid. The frustration from that for someone coming back might be a bit much. For someone dedicated to getting around the problem, there are always ways. (as well as causing silly issues for anyone behind certain forms of NATting router)
Which can be solved by limiting simultaneous logins. This is still up in the air....if you read the Devblog.
Edit:
And yeah, there are always ways around the EULA, so what. The idea that it will be wide spread is a bit of a stretch if you ask me.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Zockhandra
Dystopian Heaven Circle-Of-Two
30
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:50:27 -
[417] - Quote
Teckos Pech wrote:Zockhandra wrote:Q: What happens if my subscription ends while I'm logged in, will I be converted to Alpha in the middle of a fight?
A: In these cases, you will remain an Omega until the next time you log out. We won't ever turn skills off during the middle of a session.
Quote from CCP Announcement
Sorry, But does this mean that if your clone gets turned to alpha, then you cant fly any of the ships you spent 7 years training for? If that is the case, that is an extremely unrewarding system and (personally) ridiculously unfair to your Veteren pilots (who have funded you for more than 10 years).
If you cannot use the skills you have trained after x amount of years, whats the point in paying to aqquire them? Theres no progression there. Just pay your sub and enjoy your advantage over the Alpha clones and stop whining. Jesus, these people wanting the consumer surplus for free...you are just ridiculous.
Okay, so what happens when you need to evac your stuff from a pos/Citadel. But then you cant fly your x ship.
Or your in a super, but only you cant jump and you cant pay a sub because x problem? You now cant jump or defend yourself, you have to stay logged off because suddenly your clone decides "oops im actually super dumb"
Shield are red, Armor is too, i slapped my heavy neut, all over you.
Fingers crossed, broken shattered and burned,
across from the bubble and into your hull.
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2956
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:51:29 -
[418] - Quote
Zockhandra wrote:Q: What happens if my subscription ends while I'm logged in, will I be converted to Alpha in the middle of a fight?
A: In these cases, you will remain an Omega until the next time you log out. We won't ever turn skills off during the middle of a session.
Quote from CCP Announcement
Sorry, But does this mean that if your clone gets turned to alpha, then you cant fly any of the ships you spent 7 years training for? If that is the case, that is an extremely unrewarding system and (personally) ridiculously unfair to your Veteren pilots (who have funded you for more than 10 years).
If you cannot use the skills you have trained after x amount of years, whats the point in paying to aqquire them? Theres no progression there.
Consider a player returning after say a 4 month inactivity. Now they cannot fly their ratting mission battleships and make enough money to buy a plex? Thats super restrictive. At the moment that player can't even log into the game, let alone fly those ships.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
95
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:52:37 -
[419] - Quote
Voxinian wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:I feel im the only one that sees how this could turn into micro transactions SUPER quick.... That's the entire purpose of this. Any company needs to make changes to survive. Good or bad, micro transactions have become a normal thing on the gaming market and it is proven to work (most of the time). If that will make the game/product better or not is an other discussion. In the end it's about CCP having a profitable game. Without profit, no EVE.
Micro-transactions... Ahhh all those clothes I could buy if only there was a common area on stations where I could walk around and chat with other players whilst showing them off ..... maybe someone should suggest it for future development |
Mina Askold
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 18:52:49 -
[420] - Quote
With the new changes coming to eve my drive to play is going fast. I don't know how the rest of you feel but this whole F2P idea just screams fail, and if its as bad as most people think it will be or heck even half this may be the end for me.
Unless they make free accounts yellow safety only this is going to be a **** show, and I don't see myself staying for it.
I will be sticking it out to see how it goes but I'm not holding my breath
They have already nerfed or dumbed down just about everything in this game that took even a small bit of skill and have taken the griefing to a whole new lvl I just can't see myself giving them more money or isk to continue to ruin a game I have loved for so many years
At one point I ran many accounts at times as many as 10, I have been running one for over a year now......main reason for the trim down is the changes suck most of the changes they claim people asked for when they didn't.....
CCP you act like you know what your game needs...do you even play? almost all the changes in the past year have made things worse on almost every level save for the few forumwarriors ...........it was a good run for almost 10 years myself but if the crap keeps up 1 will be zero.....I seem to remember a letter from hilmar saying that this **** would stop and that they would return to the core of the game they loved so much....I can see now that was a total line of BS.......
I know nothing lost and don't let the door hit me on the way out but its that exact attitude that has taken 40K to 25k and no you can't have my stuff |
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