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blkmajik
ZiTek
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Posted - 2007.04.20 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: blkmajik on 20/04/2007 17:02:03
Nothing in eve is static. I find this entire situation humorously ironic. Once upon a time, players who did the industry thing for any sizable entity complained about the privateers' global unmotivated wardecs, and this was always met with dozens of privateers calling them whiners and telling them to evolve. What goes around, comes around, kids. Time to evolve.
your not a singled-out victim. This isn't the first time something has been adjusted for the greater good at the cost of short term gain for some. Here are some examples:
1) Warp to zero & removing instas. This was supposed to 'kill PVP' if I recall. All the gankers and pirates HATED the idea of it! Has ganking stopped? No, Players evolved.
2) Killing the t2 lotto. All these players who invested in it for years and years and go nothing. What a shame. Have people given up on R&D? No, players evolved.
3) WCS nerfing. This was supposed to break EVERYTHING. Mass gankings, broken consentual PVP, halting all industry, and forcing everyone to be a pirate. Has that happened? Again, players evolved.
We could go on all day....
Most Privateers say they are not about easy ganks, and thats just BS. If that were true, and you really just wanted to PVP, you would go to lowsec or 0.0. Why don't you? Because people are ready for you there. Its ALL about easy ganks and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
But Privateers is still one of the largest Alliances in the game right now. No use dieing over this. Evolve. Do what other corps have to do: organize, set objectives, work together, do anything. Why not go Merc? Why not take a stab at some space? Why not live on the universal fringes of lowec or NPC 0.0 and pirate your hearts out? try to control all the 0.0/empire entry points or something. Otherwise, its just a band of obsolete degenerates.
if you just want to shoot stuff, go play counterstrike. if you want to play eve, stop whining and evolve like everyone else. 
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DALE0404
Blue Star Brotherhood
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.20 17:35:00 -
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I have been ganked a few times by Privs but all the time they kept saying its a game and always a 'gf' popped up in local.
I wish you all the best in whatever happens/you decide to do next. G
GMS/Devs, grant these fine people their wish and come out and fight!! 
Blue Star Brotherhood
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Feynmen
Open Concepts
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Posted - 2007.04.20 17:37:00 -
[123]
 Originally by: blkmajik
Edited by: blkmajik on 20/04/2007 17:02:03
Nothing in eve is static. I find this entire situation humorously ironic. Once upon a time, players who did the industry thing for any sizable entity complained about the privateers' global unmotivated wardecs, and this was always met with dozens of privateers calling them whiners and telling them to evolve. What goes around, comes around, kids. Time to evolve.
your not a singled-out victim. This isn't the first time something has been adjusted for the greater good at the cost of short term gain for some. Here are some examples:
1) Warp to zero & removing instas. This was supposed to 'kill PVP' if I recall. All the gankers and pirates HATED the idea of it! Has ganking stopped? No, Players evolved.
2) Killing the t2 lotto. All these players who invested in it for years and years and go nothing. What a shame. Have people given up on R&D? No, players evolved.
3) WCS nerfing. This was supposed to break EVERYTHING. Mass gankings, broken consentual PVP, halting all industry, and forcing everyone to be a pirate. Has that happened? Again, players evolved.
We could go on all day....
Most Privateers say they are not about easy ganks, and thats just BS. If that were true, and you really just wanted to PVP, you would go to lowsec or 0.0. Why don't you? Because people are ready for you there. Its ALL about easy ganks and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
But Privateers is still one of the largest Alliances in the game right now. No use dieing over this. Evolve. Do what other corps have to do: organize, set objectives, work together, do anything. Why not go Merc? Why not take a stab at some space? Why not live on the universal fringes of lowec or NPC 0.0 and pirate your hearts out? try to control all the 0.0/empire entry points or something. Otherwise, its just a band of obsolete degenerates.
if you just want to shoot stuff, go play counterstrike. if you want to play eve, stop whining and evolve like everyone else.
Well put, im sure PA will find a way to adapt to this as well, despite all the whining.
"I don't think anyone really understands Quantum Mechanics."
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.04.20 17:48:00 -
[124]
Slacker Industries, Outbreak, Veto, Collective... all of them are pretty much PvP exclusive and don't blob. They run around low sec and 0.0 and fight. a lot.
They also get a ton of respect.
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.20 18:26:00 -
[125]
Carebears "adapt" by whining on the forums.
Well done guys.
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Spawn Princess
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.20 18:43:00 -
[126]
Originally by: blkmajik
Edited by: blkmajik on 20/04/2007 17:02:03
Nothing in eve is static. I find this entire situation humorously ironic. Once upon a time, players who did the industry thing for any sizable entity complained about the privateers' global unmotivated wardecs, and this was always met with dozens of privateers calling them whiners and telling them to evolve. What goes around, comes around, kids. Time to evolve.
your not a singled-out victim. This isn't the first time something has been adjusted for the greater good at the cost of short term gain for some. Here are some examples:
1) Warp to zero & removing instas. This was supposed to 'kill PVP' if I recall. All the gankers and pirates HATED the idea of it! Has ganking stopped? No, Players evolved.
2) Killing the t2 lotto. All these players who invested in it for years and years and go nothing. What a shame. Have people given up on R&D? No, players evolved.
3) WCS nerfing. This was supposed to break EVERYTHING. Mass gankings, broken consentual PVP, halting all industry, and forcing everyone to be a pirate. Has that happened? Again, players evolved.
We could go on all day....
Most Privateers say they are not about easy ganks, and thats just BS. If that were true, and you really just wanted to PVP, you would go to lowsec or 0.0. Why don't you? Because people are ready for you there. Its ALL about easy ganks and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
But Privateers is still one of the largest Alliances in the game right now. No use dieing over this. Evolve. Do what other corps have to do: organize, set objectives, work together, do anything. Why not go Merc? Why not take a stab at some space? Why not live on the universal fringes of lowec or NPC 0.0 and pirate your hearts out? try to control all the 0.0/empire entry points or something. Otherwise, its just a band of obsolete degenerates.
if you just want to shoot stuff, go play counterstrike. if you want to play eve, stop whining and evolve like everyone else.
I think you miss the point that most of PA has done that 0.0 pos shooting malarkey and got the t-shirt, most of us ratted our sec back to get in empire for these fights and we glad for something new. Hell its not as if we are full of noob players who don't have a clue and in honesty the alliance wasn't run as one. More a collection of corps who wanted targets to shoot at and we drawn on this common goal.
Now as i said before, all that will happen is we will descend back to low sec where you seem to think we have never been lol. We will continue as we did before and pop anything that moves, all that i hope is that the alliance stays together and gets new members. Put some sort of a divide between the 0.0 bored gate campers and pos shooters and the empire mummies leg huggers (sorry to steal you line).
That is what i would love to see, a fat band around empire which is OUR space and not giving and concessions to anyone to get through.
In honesty that would cause CCP more of a headache, how do you nerf that?
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Plaetean
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.20 19:03:00 -
[127]
Awesome response privateers, shame to see yet another nerf to pvp 
RIP PA o7
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DarkSnipe
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.20 21:23:00 -
[128]
Who are Privateers again?
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boogaboob
Caldari
Wraiths Reborn
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.20 21:38:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Slacker Industries, Outbreak, Veto, Collective... all of them are pretty much PvP exclusive and don't blob. They run around low sec and 0.0 and fight. a lot.
They also get a ton of respect.
Good for them. Your point?
Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.04.20 21:40:00 -
[130]
Originally by: boogaboob
Good for them. Your point?
The point is that crying about not wanting to blob or find targets in 0.0 or low sec is an excuse.. other corps have been raiding 0.0 for a long time with no problem.
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Alpine 69
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.20 21:42:00 -
[131]
'Posting in an epic thread
I wonder what will happen to you guys 
But for now; YARRRRRRRRR 
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Noes not again =( |
boogaboob
Caldari
Wraiths Reborn
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.20 21:59:00 -
[132]
Edited by: boogaboob on 20/04/2007 21:56:50
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
The point is that crying about not wanting to blob or find targets in 0.0 or low sec is an excuse.. other corps have been raiding 0.0 for a long time with no problem.
I know the point you were trying to make. The point *I* was trying to make by asking such is that we don't especially care what those said corps do. Most of WERE in 0.0 or losec before PRVTR. We found empire more fun so we moved there.
and EDIT: I'd like to encourage ISD to bring a fleet of Jove ships to empire for us to shoot. Sure, we'll get slaughtered, but ti'll be fun, and make great fraps
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Oro Sarmasa
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.20 22:07:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Oro Sarmasa on 20/04/2007 22:04:52
Edited by: Oro Sarmasa on 20/04/2007 22:04:07
Originally by: boogaboob
I know the point you were trying to make. The point *I* was trying to make by asking such is that we don't especially care what those said corps do. Most of WERE in 0.0 or losec before PRVTR. We found empire more fun so we moved there.
So in other words, you'd rather not be like competent, respected pirate corps and, to you, pwning haulers and t1 ships in empire is more fun, in a "pulling wings off insects and giggling" kind of way.
That's like a gangster wannabe loitering in a suburban parking lot and acting tough there, because if he was in a real ghetto he'd get his ass kicked every hour of every day 
Well, anyway, the changes are coming. Adapt or die!
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titanstory
FRENCH NAVY
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.20 22:33:00 -
[134]
hahahahahaha finish the easy targets in secure space, finish the gank hauler squad, finish the spamming war dec on alliance mail.
and maybe FINISH PRIVATEER !
if you want to pvp, pvp in 0.0 space or low space.
Thanks a lot CCP for this patch.
yarr
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Le Skunk
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.21 00:48:00 -
[135]
I watched people adapt to the privateer alliance, use alts to shuttle stuff, protect their freighters with escorts, set traps up for us (which we always wondered into), create anti-privateer intel channels, work together to destroy us. Talk of creating an anti-privateer alliance sadly did not materialise. This was great stuff - this game was invogorating, evolving in front of your very eyes.
Then CCP bow to the whiners on the forums and wallop - nerfed. Nobody in game could do it - needed a gm to change a bit of code.
I think this is very sad.
CCP are rightfully proud of producing a game which, despite its many flaws (appauling lag/boring repetitive missions/ratting/thousands of bugs to name a few) provided players with the tool to acheive what they wanted.
Freedom was provided, what do you want to do with it?
The nerfing of the war dec system (which shows absolutly no attempt to be a 'balanced response') is, in my opinion, nothing more then a focused and targetted attempt to nerf the Privateer Alliance. The usuage of the letter 'P' in the example allaince given above was no coincidence.
The Privatter alliance made use of the tools you provided us with, and in response you take away the tools.
MORE power is now thrust into the hands of the Isk Rich Alliances who can now wardec themselves with alt corps and effectivly immunise themselves against any future empire war dec from anyone. Congrats CCP on that one.
On a positive note though, Ive had 6 months of the best fun ive ever had in this game. I was seriously considering quitting pre Privateers, and I know many many others would have to.
Ive flown with some cool peeps, Ive flown against some cool peeps... sometimes they liked fighting us so much they came and joined us the very next week :) In a particulaly interesting twist it went the other way to - former allies left and wardecced us (Im still gonna get you in my tristan JMclean *shakes fist*)
Ive seen the forums turn from an anti privateer flame-fest, to a 50/50 pro-against opinion.We becamed a issue in the greater 'bad guy/ good guy' debate - which will continue.
Our enemies have praised us, and stood up for us realising what we are about, and even many our our greates forum detractors have been gracious in their responses to the 'nerfing' which i personally apreciate.
We got a lot of good guys in the organisation, and were working hard to salvage this situation.
For once im - ignoring the prancing gloaters who demean themselves and sully this thread ;) Ive repeatd myself 500 times already about them, and its like banging your head against a bwick wall.
SKUNK
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Arakk
Caldari
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.21 01:50:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Then CCP bow to the whiners on the forums and wallop - nerfed. Nobody in game could do it - needed a gm to change a bit of code.
I think this is very sad.
Incorrect, CCP bowed to their original intentions of the wardec system and pirating. MMO's change over time and need respective changes by the developers to maintain balance. Pirates were and are never supposed to be able to operate freely in high sec, privateers found a way around this intention. Theres a reason there are sec hits for pirating, theres a reason for concord, and a reason for gate and station defenses.
Privateers exploited the flaws in the wardec system. Something which had grown over time from a working and intended enforcement of what CCP INTENDED EMPIRE TO BE to a flaw, since you mentioned flaws.
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The Privatter alliance made use of the tools you provided us with, and in response you take away the tools.
Like all MMO's the design of the tools they provide us with are vulnerable to exploit, those very tools are not only for us to use, but more often than not to ensure the intentions of the game stay in tact as well. Since MMO's are always changing because of variations in subscribers, game money, whatever...sometimes these tools need to be changed respectively to account for them.
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For once im - ignoring the prancing gloaters who demean themselves and sully this thread ;) Ive repeatd myself 500 times already about them, and its like banging your head against a bwick wall.
And yet you and many dont seem to understand that maybe...just maybe that the wardec system, that a significant amount of the game is high sec, that gate/station defenses and concord exist for a reason. Instead you turn a blind eye to reason and convince yourselves that its about carebears, rather than admit that you were simply exploiting a tool that hadn't yet changed over the years to account for changes in the game.
As i understand them...and apparently ccp agrees
-wardecs are supposed to be temporary breeches of the safety of empire.
-players are supposed to take sec hits for killing non war targets in empire.
-gate guns are supposed to attack players that attack other players in their sight.
-concord is supposed to blow you to pieces if you attack players in high sec.
These were the intentions of the game since day 1. Somewhere along the line the possibility was realized that if enough people banded together they could bypass these intentions and enforcers of those intentions. CCP corrected it and now you point the finger at whiners and the like rather than take a rational look at how and why the game was designed the way it was.
Even you have realized this game (like all games) has flaws, unfortunately you cant seem to see that the wardec system was flawed as well and was reinforced to act as they had intended it to be. That is too expensive to dec tens of ALLIANCES, dozens of corps, indefinately.
And im sure it was fun, even though close to half of privateer kills were haulers. i like to pirate as well, it might not have a gun but its a rush for some reason killing a ship that cant hurt you while tanking gate guns hoping someone doesnt come in and pop you or steal the loot.
Maybe the problem here is you think the wardec system was originally designed to forever be perfect and that it was originally intended for an alliance to be capable of permanently wardeccing 30%+ of the playerbase, thus removing all the NPC defense content that is of empire from those players. If you think the way your alliance used the tool that is war declaration as CCP intended YEARS AGO...well maybe have a deeper look at things. Maybe then you'll realize they didnt change it because of QQ, it was changed because it was no longer working as ORIGINALLY INTENDED.
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Cyndal
Chicas Locas
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.21 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm
But more importantly that Privateers have left a mark on Eve that will not be forgotten, nothing lasts forever.
The kind of marks they leave will come out with a little bleach and hot water If you flush twice, the swirly ones they leave behind in the bowl go away too.
But if being remembered is what matters to them, they've indeed attained their goal (albeit as the skid marks in the panties of EVE). Whatever blows your hair back, I suppose. From the perspective of some, though, it's a more a case of 'good riddance' and an appropriate bug fix.
That is all. As you were.
He said I never listen to him ... (or something like that)
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Le Skunk
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.21 03:22:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 21/04/2007 03:21:10
Edited by: Le Skunk on 21/04/2007 03:19:25
Originally by: Arakk
As i understand them...and apparently ccp agrees
-wardecs are supposed to be temporary breeches of the safety of empire.
-players are supposed to take sec hits for killing non war targets in empire.
-gate guns are supposed to attack players that attack other players in their sight.
-concord is supposed to blow you to pieces if you attack players in high sec.
These were the intentions of the game since day 1. Somewhere along the line the possibility was realized that if enough people banded together they could bypass these intentions and enforcers of those intentions. CCP corrected it and now you point the finger at whiners and the like rather than take a rational look at how and why the game was designed the way it was.
All of your above points are still easily achievable for the isk rich players. Just on a lesser scale. No clever fix has been thought up - just the most obvious one which solves nothing.
An alliance could permanetly wardec 5 alliances for relativly cheep for the next few years. That contradicts all 4 of your points that ccp supposedly 'agree' on. They dont agree at all, theve simply lowered the scale.
The carebaears must realise that they are still totally vunerable to a wardec. Just its gonna come from corps/alliance who will keep it running permanently and really concentrate their actions on you.
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Maybe then you'll realize they didnt change it because of QQ, it was changed because it was no longer working as ORIGINALLY INTENDED.
Even if we are to assume we were using the wardec systme as it wasnt indtended - CCP have said many times in the past they love the way players evolve things in this game out of things that were never intended. Escrow was a prime example. ITs still there to read in the non updated player guide (thell get round to it at some point)
Originally by: ccp
The Escrow system is used for 2 things: 1) Trading and 2) Item Exchange. You might find it odd that it is located under the mission category, but the fact is that the EVE community invented the use of the Escrow system for selling and exchanging items, as it was not the intended usage, showing how ingenious our users can be.
INGENIOUS
Thats the direct quote about someone making use of something in a way it wasnt intended to be.
We are a large group of players, having fun like this game hasnt ever provided for anyone recently, doing nothing like the excesses certain corps/alliance have recently been up to in regards to activly flouting the rules. And we got the nerf bat. Sure youll please a few carebears now, but it sets a precident for future trailblasers who are not happy with the mission runner/0.0 drone options this game has available.
With us you got what it said on the tin - 24 hours to run or put your dukes up - as were on the highways, veins sticking out of our necks. Compare this to scammers who make billions in a fashion which really could be called greifing (they would admit this themselves I know) Thats all fine and dandy.
Options were readily available to you to combat us - many took them - Extra respect to the alliances who stuck together and defended their haulers/swept the space lanes with their combat pilots, and didnt resort to carebear bleating on a bloody forum
SKUNK
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Trinity Faetal
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.21 03:58:00 -
[139]
did you guys figure out already how to lock Polaris frigates 
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.04.21 08:46:00 -
[140]
CCP managed to spoill the game once again.
by this you can see that moaning actualy work.
The longer and the more people will spam the forum`s the more likely it will change.
Except for being amarr ofcourse.. ;)
Anyway my advise to the privateer alliance is to post and post about how you not agree with these changes and keep going at it untill you get what you want..
They will probably trow in an extra skill soon for declaring wars.
just like they do with everything..
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Lt Angus
Caldari
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.21 10:45:00 -
[141]
I love threads like this, easy to tell who plays the game and who reads about it
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Aritcio
Amarr
Dark Skyes
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Posted - 2007.04.21 11:02:00 -
[142]
I say again! put a limit on war dec systems! upto 5. PA is a joke! Your reason are bullcrap. Just looking for easy ganks on haulers.
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Seph Res
PPN United
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.21 11:10:00 -
[143]
seems like now u have to mine veldspar for ur wardecs
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Sorted
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.21 11:19:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Aritcio
I say again! put a limit on war dec systems! upto 5. PA is a joke! Your reason are bullcrap. Just looking for easy ganks on haulers.
If that was the case we would get 100 pilots 6 bubbles and sit in 0.0 all day long murdering.
Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
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Tirg
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.21 13:02:00 -
[145]
I'm in your outposts, hiding from your doodz.....
forum rules
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n0thing
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.04.21 13:27:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Plaetean
Awesome response privateers, shame to see yet another nerf to pvp
RIP PA o7
Certainly wouldnt call it a nerf. Once a pvp focused alliance or corporations dec half of industrial corps, its rather a one-way shootage. Deccing pvp alliance that are based in no-sec doesnt do much since they barely go out anyways
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Mar5hy
Feardotcom Inc.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.21 14:17:00 -
[147]
Sig says it all...
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Mortuus
Minmatar
Oblivion's Gate
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.21 15:40:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Mortuus on 21/04/2007 15:39:14
Look at our killboards, no tell me all of our kills are haulers...thanks.
As to people saying we're a joke, or made no impact. We did enough you had to get us nerfed and couldn't handle us yourselves. Yaar
You want some of my love, come out and play.
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Bujie
Minmatar
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.21 16:00:00 -
[149]
Interezding indeed...
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Le Skunk
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.21 18:45:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Bujie
Interezding indeed...
NIce sig - the right mixture of deliberate slapshod and general lack of skill ftw
SKUNK
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