and yet highsec incursions still untouched and riskfree

So there were two main issues with Rorquals anybody who can see beyond their "OMG MY ISK BACK-BONE" admits.

1. You could stack nearly infinite number of them in one system removing any limit of how much profit you can suck from one system/region/whole Eden. It's not the case of super ratting, sleeper sites farming, DED running or incursions, so comparing those 1:1 makes no sense.

2. They gave very good ISK/h and scaled linearly with number of accounts as you can semi-afk them. Again it's not the case of super ratting, sleeper sites farming, DED running or incursions, so comparing those 1:1 makes no sense.

CCP tries to address both problems and everybody with a clue knew it is coming sooner or later. Yeah, sucks to be you. But how about HTFU, adapt, extract the SP if you wish and move on instead of throwing tantrums on forums?

PS: I don't rat in super (and at all) but I do have 3 miner chars that are training towards Rorqual. Sucks to be me too.

-Guys ! Guys ! We lack players ! What do ?!
-Alpha clones ?
-Cool !
-What about the damn Trillions miners are extracting ?
-Let's nerf excavators for the third time !
-Yeah but what about the multiboxing Rorquals that are going to cut their subscription ?
-Oups...

Next time you guys at CCP will come crying because you are losing players, instead of supporting you, I will just point at you and laugh, because it's all you deserve with that kind of deepshit.

It's funny that miners are arguing both that "the multiboxers are a minority, dont nerf it for the rest of us, this doesn't affect the multiboxers anyways" to "CCP is relying on multiboxing miners to keep afloat, don't nerf their gamestyle"

I mean which is it?!?!?

I'm not really a miner, I just used to get Rorquals on my two chars since it's a relax way to do ISKs when I don't want to rat, for exemple after work, but since CCP just finished training Asshat V, I'm just gonna extract them and go back to ratting. It's just fun to me to see CCP whining about the lack of players 6 month ago and now totally ruin a game mechanics because they just realized that their stupid changes were unbalanced since the start.

It's funny that miners are arguing both that "the multiboxers are a minority, dont nerf it for the rest of us, this doesn't affect the multiboxers anyways" to "CCP is relying on multiboxing miners to keep afloat, don't nerf their gamestyle"

I mean which is it?!?!?

So your point was that you were going to cut your sub to hurt CCP....when in fact you're going back to carrier ratting. Way to stick it to 'em.

It's funny that miners are arguing both that "the multiboxers are a minority, dont nerf it for the rest of us, this doesn't affect the multiboxers anyways" to "CCP is relying on multiboxing miners to keep afloat, don't nerf their gamestyle"

I mean which is it?!?!?

So there were two main issues with Rorquals anybody who can see beyond their "OMG MY ISK BACK-BONE" admits.

1. You could stack nearly infinite number of them in one system removing any limit of how much profit you can suck from one system/region/whole Eden. It's not the case of super ratting, sleeper sites farming, DED running or incursions, so comparing those 1:1 makes no sense.

2. They gave very good ISK/h and scaled linearly with number of accounts as you can semi-afk them. Again it's not the case of super ratting, sleeper sites farming, DED running or incursions, so comparing those 1:1 makes no sense.

CCP tries to address both problems and everybody with a clue knew it is coming sooner or later. Yeah, sucks to be you. But how about HTFU, adapt, extract the SP if you wish and move on instead of throwing tantrums on forums?

PS: I don't rat in super (and at all) but I do have 3 miner chars that are training towards Rorqual. Sucks to be me too.

If they actually wanted to fix the multiboxing, they would make Excavator drones into Excavator Fighters.

If they actually wanted to fix the multiboxing, they would make Excavator drones into Excavator Fighters.

True that. But still, what is going to happen with people multiboxing between 6 and 20 Rorquals ? They are just going to extract and cut the subscription, that's what I would do.

Assuming they actually sub...rather than PLEX...and if they PLEX (because they're earning 200m/hr almost afk) then someone else will use those PLEX anyways....so all I'm hearing is cheap injectors and cheaper PLEX coming?

Lol, judging by all the salt over here as well as claims of unsubbing - CCP might actually reach part of their goal - increase the mineral prices a bit which for most are like all time low...

The big miners won't add more rorquals because of the new timers - good!

You decrease the yield and make it harder to strip mine with huge rorqual fleets - individual ore prices might actually go up.

True that. But still, what is going to happen with people multiboxing between 6 and 20 Rorquals ? They are just going to extract and cut the subscription, that's what I would do.

Assuming they actually sub...rather than PLEX...and if they PLEX (because they're earning 200m/hr almost afk) then someone else will use those PLEX anyways....so all I'm hearing is cheap injectors and cheaper PLEX coming?

These changes will only have a significant impact on the absolute busiest nullsec mining systems. The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted. The pilots mining in those few extremely busy systems will have the option of staggering when they mine, or simply spreading out to a few extra systems.

If only really a few miners are affected by this, why introduce this respawn cooldown at all? Do this tiny group of people have that big economical impact?

I only have two accounts and two Rorquals, I PLEX both and I will (probably) maintain my subscription since I can find other ways to make ISKs. The fact is, if I actually was boxing 10+ Rorquals, I would clearly not maintain my subscription with the current bullshit this change looks to be. I'll rather invest in a Super with approx 300 mils per hour rather than sitting at a ****** 100 mills per hour with a Rorqual.

Have you been to Delve recently?

Hey folks.
We continue to keep a close eye on the impacts of the changes to mining ships that have been made over the past six months. After this observation we have decided that we need to make another intervention to keep the economy healthy. This isn't the first of such changes, and once again it is unlikely to be the last.

In the June release we are making a few targeted changes to Nullsec Asteroid Clusters (the ore anomalies created by the Ore Prospecting Array upgrade) and Excavator drones.

Firstly, we are adding a respawn cooldown to all Asteroid Cluster anomalies. This cooldown scales based on the size of the anomaly:

• 20 minutes for the Small Asteroid Cluster
• 1 hour for the Medium Asteroid Cluster
• 2 hours for the Large Asteroid Cluster variants
• 4 hours for the Enormous Asteroid Cluster variants
• 5 hours for the Colossal Asteroid Cluster variants

These changes will only have a significant impact on the absolute busiest nullsec mining systems. The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted. The pilots mining in those few extremely busy systems will have the option of staggering when they mine, or simply spreading out to a few extra systems.

We are also making some more small adjustments to the Excavator drones themselves. In June the changes are:

• About 9% less yield for Ore Excavators
• 12.5% lower speed for Ore Excavators
• About 11% longer cycle time for Ice Excavators
• 10% lower speed for Ice Excavators

We will continue observing the economy after these changes and making adjustments as necessary to keep it healthy for all our players.

As someone who only recently came to Goons.... yes, we metagame the f**k out of EVE. But that's not going to change. And we are far from being the only alliance doing it. Looking at the economic reports, there are several runners up. This won't actually cause Delve to make any less.