Hey folks.
We continue to keep a close eye on the impacts of the changes to mining ships that have been made over the past six months. After this observation we have decided that we need to make another intervention to keep the economy healthy. This isn't the first of such changes, and once again it is unlikely to be the last.

In the June release we are making a few targeted changes to Nullsec Asteroid Clusters (the ore anomalies created by the Ore Prospecting Array upgrade) and Excavator drones.

Firstly, we are adding a respawn cooldown to all Asteroid Cluster anomalies. This cooldown scales based on the size of the anomaly:

• 20 minutes for the Small Asteroid Cluster
• 1 hour for the Medium Asteroid Cluster
• 2 hours for the Large Asteroid Cluster variants
• 4 hours for the Enormous Asteroid Cluster variants
• 5 hours for the Colossal Asteroid Cluster variants

These changes will only have a significant impact on the absolute busiest nullsec mining systems. The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted. The pilots mining in those few extremely busy systems will have the option of staggering when they mine, or simply spreading out to a few extra systems.

We are also making some more small adjustments to the Excavator drones themselves. In June the changes are:

• About 9% less yield for Ore Excavators
• 12.5% lower speed for Ore Excavators
• About 11% longer cycle time for Ice Excavators
• 10% lower speed for Ice Excavators

We will continue observing the economy after these changes and making adjustments as necessary to keep it healthy for all our players.

paging salty goonies

These changes will only have a significant impact on the absolute busiest nullsec mining systems. The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted. The pilots mining in those few extremely busy systems will have the option of staggering when they mine, or simply spreading out to a few extra systems.

Is this just ccp devs creating busy work for themselves? I know working is though but jesus man.

Let's introduce something obviously broken then spend the next 6 months balancing it!

How much actual work could the devs have done instead?

Yeah, 5 hours for a collasal to re-spawn seems extreme. Does CCP ever un-nerf something if it proves a bad decision? Just curious, I'm still kinda new.

We could have had walking in stations at this rate, with bars, brothels and ingame gambling and ****!

It woulda been amazing!

ITT buttmad goons who chased meta and cry when it is inevitably nerfed. keep crying~~~

ITT buttmad goons who chased meta and cry when it is inevitably nerfed. keep crying~~~

yet again ccp cares about the 6 trillion ISK of ore a month that a 20,000 man coalition is making but not about the 10 trillion ISK of SP exploiters are making

ccp is pathetic

Hey folks.
We continue to keep a close eye on the impacts of the changes to mining ships that have been made over the past six months. After this observation we have decided that we need to make another intervention to keep the economy healthy. This isn't the first of such changes, and once again it is unlikely to be the last.

In the June release we are making a few targeted changes to Nullsec Asteroid Clusters (the ore anomalies created by the Ore Prospecting Array upgrade) and Excavator drones.

Firstly, we are adding a respawn cooldown to all Asteroid Cluster anomalies. This cooldown scales based on the size of the anomaly:

• 20 minutes for the Small Asteroid Cluster
• 1 hour for the Medium Asteroid Cluster
• 2 hours for the Large Asteroid Cluster variants
• 4 hours for the Enormous Asteroid Cluster variants
• 5 hours for the Colossal Asteroid Cluster variants

These changes will only have a significant impact on the absolute busiest nullsec mining systems. The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted. The pilots mining in those few extremely busy systems will have the option of staggering when they mine, or simply spreading out to a few extra systems.

We are also making some more small adjustments to the Excavator drones themselves. In June the changes are:

• About 9% less yield for Ore Excavators
• 12.5% lower speed for Ore Excavators
• About 11% longer cycle time for Ice Excavators
• 10% lower speed for Ice Excavators

We will continue observing the economy after these changes and making adjustments as necessary to keep it healthy for all our players.

The Yield reduction is fair
The Speed of Drones nerf is eh - there's better ways to deal with it

The Spawntime for mining anoms just means people won't log in to play the game in 4-5 hours. Congrats, you have made people log out of your game, brings us back to the delete BOOT ini times doesn't it?

The Yield reduction is fair
The Speed of Drones nerf is eh - there's better ways to deal with it

The Spawntime for mining anoms just means people won't log in to play the game in 4-5 hours. Congrats, you have made people log out of your game, brings us back to the delete BOOT ini times doesn't it?

The Yield reduction is fair
The Speed of Drones nerf is eh - there's better ways to deal with it

The Spawntime for mining anoms just means people won't log in to play the game in 4-5 hours. Congrats, you have made people log out of your game, brings us back to the delete BOOT ini times doesn't it?

Man, all these rorqual miners from noob corporations upset, really makes you think..

It wouldn't do if they posted on their PL mains, right?

Hey can we get a 5 month respawn timer on terrible fozzie balance suggestions? Food for thought.

E: :page4snypa:

Hey folks.
Firstly, we are adding a respawn cooldown to all Asteroid Cluster anomalies. This cooldown scales based on the size of the anomaly:

• 20 minutes for the Small Asteroid Cluster
• 1 hour for the Medium Asteroid Cluster
• 2 hours for the Large Asteroid Cluster variants
• 4 hours for the Enormous Asteroid Cluster variants
• 5 hours for the Colossal Asteroid Cluster variants

Hey can we get a 5 month respawn timer on terrible fozzie balance suggestions? Food for thought.

E: :page4snypa:

Hey folks.
We continue to keep a close eye on the impacts of the changes to mining ships that have been made over the past six months. After this observation we have decided that we need to make another intervention to keep the economy healthy. This isn't the first of such changes, and once again it is unlikely to be the last.

In the June release we are making a few targeted changes to Nullsec Asteroid Clusters (the ore anomalies created by the Ore Prospecting Array upgrade) and Excavator drones.

Firstly, we are adding a respawn cooldown to all Asteroid Cluster anomalies. This cooldown scales based on the size of the anomaly:

• 20 minutes for the Small Asteroid Cluster
• 1 hour for the Medium Asteroid Cluster
• 2 hours for the Large Asteroid Cluster variants
• 4 hours for the Enormous Asteroid Cluster variants
• 5 hours for the Colossal Asteroid Cluster variants

These changes will only have a significant impact on the absolute busiest nullsec mining systems. The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted. The pilots mining in those few extremely busy systems will have the option of staggering when they mine, or simply spreading out to a few extra systems.

We are also making some more small adjustments to the Excavator drones themselves. In June the changes are:

• About 9% less yield for Ore Excavators
• 12.5% lower speed for Ore Excavators
• About 11% longer cycle time for Ice Excavators
• 10% lower speed for Ice Excavators

We will continue observing the economy after these changes and making adjustments as necessary to keep it healthy for all our players.

ITT buttmad goons who chased meta and cry when it is inevitably nerfed. keep crying~~~

ITT butmadd ppl about goons are too idiotic to realize when a change is horrible for the game. You'll burn with the house if it allows you to be smug, won't you?

Yeah because Fozzie is the one responsible for everything, it's not that he's part of a team and just posting what the team wants. What a bunch of fuckheads whining.

Anybody else think this is a problem? http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/72084/1/3_mining.value.by.region.png

PL fozzie strikes again. Could you at least try to be a bit less obvious about it next time around. For example nerf will only apply to groups with imperium in their name.

I guess that rigged AT was not enough and they were getting scared of moving their supers down south so fozzie the greatest of PL devs jumps in to save the situation. But no worries, only thing that will save PL from us is shutting down the servers.

[quote=Anoron Secheh]Yeah because Fozzie is the one responsible for everything, it's not that he's part of a team and just posting what the team wants. What a bunch of fuckheads whining.


Seems you're the fuckhead. The whole sov system is meant to contract nullsec power blocs into "living space". You can't turn around and then punish those same people for adapting and living in their space without looking like an inconsistent boob.

CCP this forum section is calling upcoming feature and change feedback center.
Are you going to listen to the players your customers or tell them to get ****** and go ahead with the changes.

How is it possible that this dood is still working for CCP?
You ruined so many good things in this game. I think its time you apply for blizzard you'd probably do a great job there!

Thank you Fozzie for ensuring that we will continue to have complete dominance of the raw ore market. Now that you've prevented everyone else from pulling the sheer amount of raw ore that we've been pulling for months now - it will take them years to catch up to our industrial might.

Seriously, thank you very much for making it so that we maintain our industrial lead over every single other organization in the game.

Boo ******* hoo goon. You're the one with 20,000+ in a region, mining 7 trillion a month. The rorqual changes made it way overpowered, and it's about time it got tuned down.

Hey folks.
We continue to keep a close eye on the impacts of the changes to mining ships that have been made over the past six months. After this observation we have decided that we need to make another intervention to keep the economy healthy. This isn't the first of such changes, and once again it is unlikely to be the last.

In the June release we are making a few targeted changes to Nullsec Asteroid Clusters (the ore anomalies created by the Ore Prospecting Array upgrade) and Excavator drones.

Firstly, we are adding a respawn cooldown to all Asteroid Cluster anomalies. This cooldown scales based on the size of the anomaly:

• 20 minutes for the Small Asteroid Cluster
• 1 hour for the Medium Asteroid Cluster
• 2 hours for the Large Asteroid Cluster variants
• 4 hours for the Enormous Asteroid Cluster variants
• 5 hours for the Colossal Asteroid Cluster variants

These changes will only have a significant impact on the absolute busiest nullsec mining systems. The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted. The pilots mining in those few extremely busy systems will have the option of staggering when they mine, or simply spreading out to a few extra systems.

We are also making some more small adjustments to the Excavator drones themselves. In June the changes are:

• About 9% less yield for Ore Excavators
• 12.5% lower speed for Ore Excavators
• About 11% longer cycle time for Ice Excavators
• 10% lower speed for Ice Excavators

We will continue observing the economy after these changes and making adjustments as necessary to keep it healthy for all our players.

Yeah because Fozzie is the one responsible for everything, it's not that he's part of a team and just posting what the team wants. What a bunch of fuckheads whining.

Anybody else think this is a problem? http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/72084/1/3_mining.value.by.region.png

Are you kidding....f this extracting. Good luck with the moon changes now.

we area going to found another way to make that isk again and you?

Is this cool down timer from the time the anomaly last respawned or from the time that it was finished? Because the phrasing of "only affecting the tiny percentage of busiest systems" makes it sound like it only affects those colossal's that are mined out in 5 hours. If the timer is from the time it's finished, that affects every system in Null.

he apparently confirmed on tweetfleet slack it's like ice: the timer starts when the belt is cleared

i do not know how fozzie managed to rationalize in his head these delays that apply in every ore anom system affect only a tiny number of systems

like, that's very obviously not true. now, if you clear a colossal belt, it's gone for 5 hours. no matter if you've mined only the last bits of that belt in the past 24 hours. no colossal for you for 5 hours. i don't know how he reasoned himself into claiming that only affects goonswarm systems.

So what you're saying is that all the goons qqing in this thread are mad for no reason?

Yeah because Fozzie is the one responsible for everything, it's not that he's part of a team and just posting what the team wants. What a bunch of fuckheads whining.

Anybody else think this is a problem? http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/72084/1/3_mining.value.by.region.png

I mean by this logic hes also to blame for how badly the rorq changes f'd the eve economy, which heavily benefited goons while hurting pl by making it easier to contest their super cap numbers

I like how goons think they're being targeting because they're goons and not just because they mine 7 trillion a month.

the goon NaCl, I want to read more but its giving me hypertension :D

on the bright side it will end the cherry picking drama so thats good for you guys

Sounds like a dude from r/eve. In other words, a total oxygen thief.

Is this cool down timer from the time the anomaly last respawned or from the time that it was finished? Because the phrasing of "only affecting the tiny percentage of busiest systems" makes it sound like it only affects those colossal's that are mined out in 5 hours. If the timer is from the time it's finished, that affects every system in Null.

Why the **** would I bother mining if It can easily be outdone by two hulks? I may as well just go do super ratting instead for half the amount of time and just unsub my rorqual pilots.

Eve is supposed to be Risk Vs Reward, Were risking a 10+B Rorqual for the equivalent of ~500Mil in hulks and now the reward is **** too. Which makes it absolutely not worth it.

Not to mention this anom spawn reduction just causes me to just dock or do something else instead of mining.

Go **** up someone else game CCP Fucknut

#firefozzie is trending.

Boo ******* hoo goon. You're the one with 20,000+ in a region, mining 7 trillion a month. The rorqual changes made it way overpowered, and it's about time it got tuned down.

ITT man babbies call for a guy to be fired because they were too brain damaged to see the nerf that's been coming for months

:flag_in:

*cough Delve, This change isn't directed towards GSF at all, we are fair and balanced and don't play favorites. so basically don't find a way to profit in the game while CCP is looking for actual cash revenue, they need ppl to spend money on PLEX instead of using ISK. Am I wrong?

I also love the implications of this:

Ghost training, virtually unlimited isk printing for skill point conversion.

I know, let's kill this by triggering hundreds of people to extract their mining skills! Instead of fixing the underlying problem, let's just **** everything else up instead of addressing the elephant in the room.

Except everyone is getting nerfed so we will still be better at it than anyone else. Delve is as secure as a region can be so our miners will be easily able to hop around.

Exactly...all this does is AGAIN hurt the little guys. Maybe that's what they want all of us to join goons.

it's gonna make it way worse because if you're not going to be there in 5 hours why bother clearing out the garbage to respawn it :cripes:

thanks for putting in those merx asteriods despite literally everyone telling you they should be removed ccp, you wrecked merx mining as a thing AND made ore anoms more annoying and stupid!

the plex on the market has to or had to be paid for by someone at some point so the revenue is the same is this not right ?

Exactly...all this does is AGAIN hurt the little guys. Maybe that's what they want all of us to join goons.

you know its good when 90% of the replies are salty goons
i think 5h is a bit harsh tho, maybe start timer when anom spawns/is warped to , not when its done.

While we are at it, can you please fix the drone aggro mechanics when you industrial core on rorqual? i wanted to afk rat from the start it's not possible with the bug making npcs shoot your drones after 5min regardless of what you do.
K thx bai

No I'm saying that they are looking at their bottom line, and the affects on their own income. If you look at the bigger picture, it's punishing anyone who even wants to try to catch up to the industrial might of Delve.

Let us say that we can pull in 7 trillion isk worth of minerals in Delve per month.

Conservatively, let us say that this cuts our output in half. Now we've had over 6 months of output at approx 7t (say it's 42T in raw ore)

Now that the max a reasonable organization can expect to pull is 3.5T (say half current rates) - it would take at least 12 months to match what we've pulled in over the past 6. And we can expect to continue to pull the same amount of ore (or more, there are many systems to cycle through, as almost every single system in Delve has max upgrades. Can you say the same for all the other regions out there?). There is now absolutely no way to catch up to our backlog of unprocessed raw ore. And since we can just cycle systems instead of stripping just the most valuable systems...

Goons:
Clear a colossal from 5 systems, each in an hour - go in a cycle between systems (they are all upgraded here). Non-stop mining.

Everyone else:
Clear a colossal from 1 system. Wait 5 hours, mine same one. Maybe get the safety to upgrade 1 or 2 other systems. Without the safety of going system to system in a chain.....

you expect these people to fix bugs? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I'm quite happy with the changes, less work done by rorquals, and more as it should be by the actual mining ships.

As for the anom respawns, seems good, I wonder if we could get something similar in HS ? with a few fat HS ore anom instead of dozen of belts, a timer could be fine on them, so miners have to actually move more to get more ore. More ships moving here and there => more content imo, and not juste capital ships bullsh** in NS only.

So what you're saying is that all the goons qqing in this thread are mad for no reason?

Words

the plex on the market has to or had to be paid for by someone at some point so the revenue is the same is this not right ?

Is this nerf not to ruin mining ??? isn't this more to make people or corporations to move out of delve and break up goonswarm and the coalition by persuading people to look for other systems to live in where the anoms and belts are dead and have no competition for the ore ...

i dont like it now when certain people roll into a colossal belt with 50 rorquals and take every rock but with these cooldown timers it wont just be the collosl it will be all the anoms its going to push everyone else out of the belts as this guy with just take them all to himself. there are many more like him in delv too

That is not right

Is this nerf not to ruin mining ??? isn't this more to make people or corporations to move out of delve and break up goonswarm and the coalition by persuading people to look for other systems to live in where the anoms and belts are dead and have no competition for the ore ...

I don't like it now when certain people roll into a colossal belt with 50 rorquals and take every rock but with these cooldown timers it wont just be the colossal it will be all the anoms, its going to push everyone else out of the belts as this guy will just take them all to himself. There are many more like him in delv too
This isn't a criticism just an observation

I WANT TO BELIEVE

I'm quite happy with the changes, less work done by rorquals, and more as it should be by the actual mining ships.

I like how the entire 'Eve establishment' flames CCP when they are trying to nerf the only way to earn tens of billions of ISK by semi afk multiboxing tens of Rorquals at the same time. This change is an attempt to reestablish everyone else's interests against 50 richest miners in a handful of richest alliances. Don't mind the flames CCP.

The coon NaCl

it feeds me

If ore runs out in a system just jump to the next?

Table" Guys.. guys.. guys... isk is flowing too freely into the game. How can we get people to make less money, so they need to buy more of our newly broken down mobile game style PLEX?

Fozzie "We could nerf mining income again"

Table "Nah, that won't fly. We've done that like 5 times in the last year."

Fozzie "We could nerf mining income again and after they complain, nerf ratting income - so they argue"

Table "I like it, just don't touch the 8b in 10 minute incursions - because our alts use those"

Fozzie "K, let's do it"

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"The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted."

I don't know where you learned your command of the English language or truly understated the impact here.

but what you really should have stated instead of trying to sugar coat the nerf is.

"Every nullsec miner will be negatively impacted."

What poison pill are you going to try and convince us is a candy next.

"The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted."

I don't know where you learned your command of the English language or truly understated the impact here.

but what you really should have stated instead of trying to sugar coat the nerf is.

"Every nullsec miner will be negatively impacted."

What poison pill are you going to try and convince us is a candy next.

"The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted."

I don't know where you learned your command of the English language or truly understated the impact here.

but what you really should have stated instead of trying to sugar coat the nerf is.

"Every nullsec miner will be negatively impacted."

What poison pill are you going to try and convince us is a candy next.

Fixed it thanks.

Just how much does this cut into the profits of people who have so many multiboxed Rorquals?

At least injector and plex prices should go down now.

If they have more than 3 rorquals then about 100m/rorq. Otherwise they'll just buy a super and use that until CCP nerfs anoms.

Is that with or without the bottleneck caused by the collosal sites being depleted by all the rorquals?

damn those goon tears,,,,no more iskie for ya!!! :)

damn those goon tears,,,,no more iskie for ya!!! :)

All I am just as mad as the next person, this personally kills my income. But stop attacking devs for real...stay classy even in anger.

Is this cool down timer from the time the anomaly last respawned or from the time that it was finished? Because the phrasing of "only affecting the tiny percentage of busiest systems" makes it sound like it only affects those colossal's that are mined out in 5 hours. If the timer is from the time it's finished, that affects every system in Null.

WTB new impartial CCP member

We're just going to see large fleets of rorquals moving from system to system

"The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted."

I don't know where you learned your command of the English language or truly understated the impact here.

but what you really should have stated instead of trying to sugar coat the nerf is.

"Every nullsec miner will be negatively impacted."

What poison pill are you going to try and convince us is a candy next.

I had so many friends spend so much money on plex to skill inject into a rorqual and now your killing the game for them...

The MacGirk-Ayrania Make Depletion Great Again ORE Anomaly Act of YC 119 - Sorry, but we've been calling for this long enough that it deserves a proper name.

The idea of respawn timers for the anoms is completely sensible and adds a sense of depletion, which is sorely missing from this game in most areas of ISK and resource faucets. Anoms were never designed for a time with mining rorquals in mind and definitely needed to be changed. Not just in terms of material content, but in terms of respawn rates. You clear cut your forest and it takes some time to grow back. So stop whining and be better stewards of the land.

However, that change was in and of itself sufficient. The addition of a third nerf to excavators is overkill, and makes it harder to determine the outcome from the anomaly change. Why not see where that goes before dumping on excavators and Rorqual once again?

Hey folks.
We continue to keep a close eye on the impacts of the changes to mining ships that have been made over the past six months. After this observation we have decided that we need to make another intervention to keep the economy healthy. This isn't the first of such changes, and once again it is unlikely to be the last.



Lets interpret this :

We Really give no ***** about good fights or any issues with the declining player interaction. And We are not making enough Money so We will reduce the yield the Raquel again and then soon you will all buy more injectors and make more accounts to have hulk pilots an we can make more money. Thanks for the continued Purchase of Micro transactions, once this nerf and future mining nerf happen and You all have spent your hard earned money on More Micro transactions we will make the Titan mining so op you'll buy more injectors and make us more thanks for being suckers.


Does that sound right to you all?????????????????????????

Total Bull **** Lets give the Indy guys something that make them happy and them make eve totally void of reasons to fight and then ***** cause the "economy"
Make reasons to fight Make people lose ships and then it will spur the stagnant economy. More fights, bigger fights boost economy when billions get lost. This move is the same effect as laying off workers and stop producing. So then We have no reason to supply and no fights and then the "Economy" of the game will not matter when a better alternative come along for peoples spare time .

I like how the entire 'Eve establishment' flames CCP when they are trying to nerf the only way to earn tens of billions of ISK per hour as one person by semi afk multiboxing tens of Rorquals at the same time. This change is an attempt to reestablish everyone else's interests against 50 richest miners in a handful of richest alliances. Don't mind the flames CCP.

If ore runs out in a system just jump to the next?

The MacGirk-Ayrania Make Depletion Great Again ORE Anomaly Act of YC 119 - Sorry, but we've been calling for this long enough that it deserves a proper name.

The idea of respawn timers for the anoms is completely sensible and adds a sense of depletion, which is sorely missing from this game in most areas of ISK and resource faucets. Anoms were never designed for a time with mining rorquals in mind and definitely needed to be changed. Not just in terms of material content, but in terms of respawn rates. You clear cut your forest and it takes some time to grow back. So stop whining and be better stewards of the land.

However, that change was in and of itself sufficient. The addition of a third nerf to excavators is overkill, and makes it harder to determine the outcome from the anomaly change. Why not see where that goes before dumping on excavators and Rorqual once again?

I had so many friends spend so much money on plex to skill inject into a rorqual and now your killing the game for them...