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Eemaavi
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.13 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Sinner I am against isk sellers and items sellers..But to have a gm tell you that your selling your stuff to a known isk seller on an open contract when you have no idea who is buying your stuff.
Is completly worse then isk sellers by far.
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.13 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X I still cannot divulge any information about our methods. I'm bound by NDAs to not release any information that could be considered confidential information. This leads me to believe that you are all going to hate me from this day forward.
i wouldnt worry about it too much, it was nice that you took enough of an interest to post and try and help somebody out
Originally by: CCP Prism X I'm absolutely certain that Sinner, and Sheylyn, acted on the best of intentions on behalf of their friend and I can only assume they didn't possess this information beforehand
some people would have been less kind on that score, but then again you would have to be monumentaly stupid to really try to bluff it out when your friend has over 10 bil of bought isk in his wallet
name and shame i say who was this "friend" and what alliance is he in ?
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Sinner on 13/09/2007 19:23:00 Really I don't know who to believe I know my friend is very good with the market..and i mean dam good with it at finding deal and reselling items..
But what I wonder is how much atm is ccp or the gm's trying to cover there tracks just by saying this so that things will not exploded out bigger...
its to convenient to say something like that..aswell..it smashes everything that was being said..well almost everthing..
I know my friend is really good with market at buying and re selling an he's been a 3 + year toon which isn't hard to build up 10 bill in that time period more than once..plus how did he go from 1.01 bill...to neg 900 mill..if he had 10 bill??
its till doesn't answer all the questions...is he buying isk maybe it wouldn't suprise me.. but at the sametime are the gm's just saying this casue he uses the market and trading in amoungst his toons alot and there just trying to stop the real problem..kinda like I hang my head inshame but...but what they did with BoB...oh gawd I can't believe I went there...
its still poses question after question...who's telling the truth and who is not..
again the gm's are saying he baught but were's there proof..is it there word??
and here's the other thing the apperantly known isk seller is still playing the game....
I don't post toon names that way i can't get in trouble..but I know it and he's still playing...
its kinda troublsome I want to believe my friend at his word..
but at the sametime I want to believe ccp or the gm's wouldn't mislead the comunity aswell..
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jimer Lins on 13/09/2007 19:35:46 CCP 'Banhammer' Research Cannon II perfectly strikes Sob Story <ISK>, wrecking for 10 billion credibility damage.
CCP 'Banhammer' Research Cannon II deactivates as target Sob Story <ISK> is no longer credible.
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Sheylyn
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:42:00 -
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Thank you Prism for the time you spent on looking into this matter and quick responce back to us, it wasn't what I expected outcome wise. I too have to agree with Omega thou.
No hard feelings to anyone, and thank you to all that posted.
I'm shutting up now
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova Omega wanted a public inquiry, here it is.
I do so love it when people waive their privacy policy privileges :). The reason that some credability is always given to stories like the one in this thread is that as I understand it, the privacy policy prohibits GMs from coming onto the forum and telling the story as it happened - because punishments are between the GM and the person who got punished.
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Tentacle Girl
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tentacle Girl on 13/09/2007 19:52:33 In soviet russia.... GM petition player!
In soviet russia.... Player ban GM!
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Jelek Coro
Caldari Ordo Templi Orientis Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.09.13 20:16:00 -
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Owned
Isk buyers are just as bad as the sellers
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.13 20:28:00 -
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Thank for the update, Prism.
I hope now this thread will die.
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Scrolizer
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Posted - 2007.09.13 20:43:00 -
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I think it's right because -> If I buy some ISK, seller can do following:
I go to a mission with him, he gives me an item for 500mil isk. -> he puts it into container. I pick it, then in few days I try to contract the thing and wait till the seller buys it. :) If GMs can find above cases...good for all of us.
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar Doomcraft Mech Ops Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.09.13 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: RedLion
Originally by: Laboratus I have to say I have recieved better service from CCP than any other MMO company.
Many people say WoW has bad support. Well shoot me if I'm wrong but:
CCP don't have phone support. CCP have 20 times slower GM response than Blizzard. CCPs GMs are not customer orientated. CCP does not protect the individual player/character.
NO doubt there still is service provided from CCP. And some GMs are doing a great job, but that CCPs support is better than any other mmorpg company.. Well it's hard to get an objective discussion here, it will only get painted by fanbois.
1) Why do i want to call ccp? 2) Actually, that just depends on the time and place, all petitions i've made in the past were dealt with within an hour time, whereas in wow you wait for 5 hours for a response, log out for 10 seconds then get some automated crapmail saying you were offline when they tried to reach you. 3) In a way, the GM's are also customers, since they play this game as well, so how can they not be customer orientated... same goes for the last one.. why would they do the opposite of the things they would want themselves when they are playing?
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Hyuuga Veralis
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.09.13 20:48:00 -
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Can Omega please be banned for calling characters 'toons' over and over?
It's quiet vulgar and demeaning to myself and other EVE players to be given such a label. -------------- Fulfilling 0.0 Ammo needs since 2 days after being made. |
Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.13 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Sinner Edited by: Omega Sinner on 13/09/2007 19:31:00 Edited by: Omega Sinner on 13/09/2007 19:23:00 Really I don't know who to believe I know my friend is very good with the market..and i mean dam good with it at finding deal and reselling items..
But what I wonder is how much atm is ccp or the gm's trying to cover there tracks just by saying this so that things will not exploded out bigger...
its to convenient to say something like that..aswell..it smashes everything that was being said..well almost everthing..
I know my friend is really good with market at buying and re selling an he's been a 3 + year toon which isn't hard to build up 10 bill in that time period more than once..plus how did he go from 1.01 bill...to neg 900 mill..if he had 10 bill??
its till doesn't answer all the questions...is he buying isk maybe it wouldn't suprise me.. but at the sametime are the gm's just saying this casue he uses the market and trading in amoungst his toons alot and there just trying to stop the real problem..kinda like I hang my head inshame but...but what they did with BoB...oh gawd I can't believe I went there...
its still poses question after question...who's telling the truth and who is not..
again the gm's are saying he baught but were's there proof..is it there word??
and here's the other thing the apperantly known isk seller is still playing the game....
I don't post toon names that way i can't get in trouble..but I know it and he's still playing...
its kinda troublsome I want to believe my friend at his word..
but at the sametime I want to believe ccp or the gm's wouldn't mislead the comunity aswell..
and Gm Nova your a arrogant na nevermind someone stupid enough to point out the obvious like you just falls into your trap....
Prism X much better at customer relations than you that is also what I'm talking about...
Better training for the stupid gm's...
and prism X thanxs for your help even if what you say might only be true and might not..no hack on you..
See gm nova your just trying to make me the fall guy here..I wanted a public inquiry I got but it seems to convinent on your part..
Mate, a word of advice: when you're in deep - stop digging.
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.13 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 13/09/2007 19:49:56
Originally by: GM Nova Omega wanted a public inquiry, here it is.
I do so love it when people waive their privacy policy privileges :). The reason that some credability is always given to stories like the one in this thread is that as I understand it, the privacy policy prohibits GMs from coming onto the forum and telling the story as it happened - because punishments are between the GM and the person who got punished.
EDIT: I think you may have unintentionally crossed a line, though. You're either violating the privacy policy by allowing one person to request a public investigation of another's punishment or you've confirmed that omega and the person that got banned are one and the same, which links a character to another by the same owner. What characters are owned by a person is confidential account information.
On the other hand: good!
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dor amwar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.13 20:57:00 -
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this is not meant as a judgment either way. what i think when i read this and it's conclusion is, ccp has lied before. omega has not as far as i know.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.09.13 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 13/09/2007 21:05:38
Originally by: dor amwar this is not meant as a judgment either way. what i think when i read this and it's conclusion is, ccp has lied before. omega has not as far as i know.
CCP isn't a single giant person. GM Nova has never lied to the eve community before and neither has PrismX.
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dor amwar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.13 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 13/09/2007 21:05:38
Originally by: dor amwar this is not meant as a judgment either way. what i think when i read this and it's conclusion is, ccp has lied before. omega has not as far as i know.
CCP isn't a single giant person. GM Nova has never lied to the eve community before and neither has PrismX.
this was not meant as an attack on either. i think prismX went above and beyond and thank him for his efforts. just what i was thinking while read the responses which left a lingering doubt.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.09.13 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: dor amwar this was not meant as an attack on either. i think prismX went above and beyond and thank him for his efforts. just what i was thinking while read the responses which left a lingering doubt.
There will always be that doubt and people who have something against CCP will always try to play on it. Omega, for example, bought 10b isk and got busted and is now trying to sully GM's reputations based entirely on that little sliver of doubt that even the most sensible player has.
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RedLion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.13 21:48:00 -
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If I seel 1 trit for a ****load of money, how can CCP punish me? O.o
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis Can Omega please be banned for calling characters 'toons' over and over?
It's quiet vulgar and demeaning to myself and other EVE players to be given such a label.
holy crap now thats just stupid ^^^^^^...
and in the end I'm not the offending toon...
if my friend did by isk bad on him really bad...
but if he didn't and this is just a way to cover it up bad on ccp..
But in the end I thank Prisim X for even trying in the first place. something else no other gm even bothered to step forward and try to do..
and for the TOON which players have called there characters since the start of mmo's just lose yourself again..
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.13 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Sinner
Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis Can Omega please be banned for calling characters 'toons' over and over?
It's quiet vulgar and demeaning to myself and other EVE players to be given such a label.
holy crap now thats just stupid ^^^^^^...
and in the end I'm not the offending toon...
if my friend did by isk bad on him really bad...
but if he didn't and this is just a way to cover it up bad on ccp..
But in the end I thank Prisim X for even trying in the first place. something else no other gm even bothered to step forward and try to do..
and for the TOON which players have called there characters since the start of mmo's just lose yourself again..
WTF. By this definition if someone is audited, it could be a giant conspiracy inside the US Government working with the IRS. Just accept it, man. Your buddy bought ISK, and he got banned. There is no coverup, there are no greedy GMs coveting his precious trade business, no shady developers hiding in your closet, he bought isk. Simple as that. Your buddy lied to you, and he's not going to admit it now and make himself look like an untrustworthy bastard.
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.13 22:40:00 -
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You got the investigation that you asked for. It appears that your mate has not been that forthcoming with the truth. Perhaps he should revise his trading strategy given that's he's needed to buy 10b isk. That and if he wanted isk the secure gtc trade is very effective.
Thank you to CCP for the investigation.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |
Standard Deviation
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Posted - 2007.09.13 22:42:00 -
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10bn isk
someone cares way to much about internet spaceships.
You could buy a lot RL stuff for what it would cost to buy 10bn.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.13 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Sinner
Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis Can Omega please be banned for calling characters 'toons' over and over?
It's quiet vulgar and demeaning to myself and other EVE players to be given such a label.
holy crap now thats just stupid ^^^^^^...
and in the end I'm not the offending toon...
if my friend did by isk bad on him really bad...
but if he didn't and this is just a way to cover it up bad on ccp..
But in the end I thank Prisim X for even trying in the first place. something else no other gm even bothered to step forward and try to do..
and for the TOON which players have called there characters since the start of mmo's just lose yourself again..
I was going to be polite about my response as much as possible..but you make it nigh impossible. "If my friend bought bad isk..." "Maybe this is just a coverup by CCP..."
What the hell???? Are you serious??? I don't even have a proper rebuttal that covers all of your idiocy...You're...I mean..you...how can you......LISTEN TO YOURSELF! You're a joke!
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Cynical Attitude
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Posted - 2007.09.13 22:56:00 -
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Quote: I know my friend is very good with the market..and i mean dam good with it at finding deal and reselling items..
If he's that good, why did he need to buy 10bn ISK? Or is his "I'm real good at playing the market" line just his cover story for his ISK buying?
Quote: But what I wonder is how much atm is ccp or the gm's trying to cover there tracks
Oh, puh-lease, you're "CCP is lying" position is no longer even remotely tenable, not that it ever was, TBH.
Quote: plus how did he go from 1.01 bill...to neg 900 mill..if he had 10 bill??
Ya got me there, your friend is clearly capable of losing ISK on an epic scale, odd for someone supposedly so good at playing the market.
Quote: its still poses question after question...who's telling the truth and who is not.
Nope, I think we've all made up our minds on that score.
Quote: again the gm's are saying he baught but were's there proof..is it there word??
They say the logs show him receiving 10bn ISK from a known ISK seller - that's good enough for me. Short of them cutting and pasting the logs into this thread, what more proof do you need?
Quote: and here's the other thing the apperantly known isk seller is still playing the game.
I think you're confusing 2 characters - the known ISK seller is the guy who sold your friend 10bn ISK, the guy who bought the BS off him is someone else entirely. Your friend, not having told you about his ISK-buying habit (some friend, that) clearly won't have told you the ISK sellers name, so you can't actually know if he's still playing the game, can you?
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.13 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cynical Attitude
Quote: I know my friend is very good with the market..and i mean dam good with it at finding deal and reselling items..
If he's that good, why did he need to buy 10bn ISK? Or is his "I'm real good at playing the market" line just his cover story for his ISK buying?
Quote: But what I wonder is how much atm is ccp or the gm's trying to cover there tracks
Oh, puh-lease, you're "CCP is lying" position is no longer even remotely tenable, not that it ever was, TBH.
Quote: plus how did he go from 1.01 bill...to neg 900 mill..if he had 10 bill??
Ya got me there, your friend is clearly capable of losing ISK on an epic scale, odd for someone supposedly so good at playing the market.
Quote: its still poses question after question...who's telling the truth and who is not.
Nope, I think we've all made up our minds on that score.
Quote: again the gm's are saying he baught but were's there proof..is it there word??
They say the logs show him receiving 10bn ISK from a known ISK seller - that's good enough for me. Short of them cutting and pasting the logs into this thread, what more proof do you need?
Quote: and here's the other thing the apperantly known isk seller is still playing the game.
I think you're confusing 2 characters - the known ISK seller is the guy who sold your friend 10bn ISK, the guy who bought the BS off him is someone else entirely. Your friend, not having told you about his ISK-buying habit (some friend, that) clearly won't have told you the ISK sellers name, so you can't actually know if he's still playing the game, can you?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You Sir! Are made of pure awesomeness..thank you for putting my thoughts to words <3
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 23:13:00 -
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Your right...its not like ccp or gm's have made mistakes before...
I didn't mean its a cover up but ppl wanted the truth to from me proof from me wanted me to post copys of the logs..
so why not show were they came to the conculsion..
Send me an email showing me how you came to this conculsion U know my account you know my email addy...
its fair you were sent one showing pictures please show me were in his logs you found him buying isk please.
flame if you want because I'm asking for proof besides there word..
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Vrizuh
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.13 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Vrizuh on 13/09/2007 23:24:51
Originally by: RedLion
Originally by: Laboratus I have to say I have recieved better service from CCP than any other MMO company.
Many people say WoW has bad support. Well shoot me if I'm wrong but:
CCP don't have phone support. CCP have 20 times slower GM response than Blizzard. CCPs GMs are not customer orientated. CCP does not protect the individual player/character.
NO doubt there still is service provided from CCP. And some GMs are doing a great job, but that CCPs support is better than any other mmorpg company.. Well it's hard to get an objective discussion here, it will only get painted by fanbois.
GMs response time in Eve is pretty bad, but Ive never played an MMO with fast response time for anything other than stuck queues.
The OP shook my confidence in the GMs. PrismX and GM Nova have it completely restored, I'd believe them first. I don't know much about the CCP GMs, but they appear to know the game, know the language, and be located within the same location as the actual game developer. Level 1 GMs in Eve are like senior GMs elsewhere. At least, that is my opinion.
Quote: Your right...its not like ccp or gm's have made mistakes before...
I didn't mean its a cover up but ppl wanted the truth to from me proof from me wanted me to post copys of the logs..
so why not show were they came to the conculsion..
Send me an email showing me how you came to this conculsion U know my account you know my email addy...
its fair you were sent one showing pictures please show me were in his logs you found him buying isk please.
flame if you want because I'm asking for proof besides there word..
You know they can't do this. Privacy laws mean MMOs always have to endure the crap that gets thrown at them. If they say it was a donation and not a contract, understand that their ability to lie, and their willingness to do so when a player can prove otherwise, is not at the level you accuse them of. Itd be a PR disaster to have a public bannination go wrong. It'd be a PR apocalypse to have a company bold faced lie about it. Especially when they don't know whether the banned individual would be willing to go to court over it. After all, calling him a liar hurts his public image. They'd need proof. Just let it go. Your friend lied about his financial records. Maybe he was a good trader, where did he get his capital? An IPO? Grinding? Or did he take a shortcut?
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.13 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 13/09/2007 23:26:43 You just don't give up do you? I mean you quite blatantly, publically and thoroughly got WTFPWNED all the way out of the solar system, but here you are, still going at it..you're amazing
Originally by: Omega Sinner Your right...its not like ccp or gm's have made mistakes before...
Of course they have, BUT THIS ISNT ONE OF THEM! Deal with it! You lost, it's over, period, finito, gone, done, hasta la pizza!
Originally by: Omega Sinner
I didn't mean its a cover up but ppl wanted the truth to from me proof from me wanted me to post copys of the logs..
Thats breaking the NDA and that's not happening. Heck they even found more stuff thanks to you. Just get over it and face the fact that proof was found, more proof was found and just because you won't accept defeat after you have been so thoroughly mopped on the floor, it won't change reality dude.
Originally by: Omega Sinner
so why not show were they came to the conculsion..
NDA, period.
Originally by: Omega Sinner
Send me an email showing me how you came to this conculsion U know my account you know my email addy...
its fair you were sent one showing pictures please show me were in his logs you found him buying isk please.
What makes you think you're so special you get to bypass the NDA and get those logs? Nobody ever has before, why should you? Who are you?
Why do you need logs? If you believe they're lying in the first place, the next thing you'll say is "Oh those logs are fabricated" - Hypothetically if you got them that is, because you won't. The NDA is the NDA is the NDA. LEARN!
Originally by: Omega Sinner
flame if you want because I'm asking for proof besides there word..
You have your proof, now shrink away into obscurity kthxbai.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Texaskidd
Caldari Zimm's Roughnecks
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Posted - 2007.09.13 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Texaskidd on 13/09/2007 23:50:38 What are you talking about? Eve, its coders, techs, database team, down to the janitor that mops the floor at night, never have, never will be, WRONG! but thats what I belive.
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