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Zenst
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.09.11 09:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Omega Sinner
Added subject line. -Rauth Kivaro([email protected])
Edited by: Omega Sinner on 11/09/2007 07:03:59
Do you condone your gm's making players lose there hard earned ships and isk by riping them off..
for example player sells rattlesnake on open contract other player buys it gm comes along says it was sold to a known isk seller and takes the isk he just got for the ship,,the ship itself and then take another bill off him aswell and that = lost player and soon many more to come if this type of thing is aloud to keep up.
Something must be done about this abuse of power by gm's ingame.its not the first time I've heard of this happening.
Don't bother telling me this is the first time you've heard this cause i know it is not.
What are you going to do about this me as a customer of your fine product would really like to know..
I'd suggest a petiton in RP style given you paid a tax charge to put up the contract then some form of reposibility should be acknowledged.
Way it sounds you should of got your ship back and cost of initial contract back, clear as. the fact it was brought with illegal isk is something you have NO CONTROL over and its is totaly CCP's domain and resposibility. As you are offered NO form of verifying if isk is legal nor should you have to in any way ingame with regards to ingame items EVER ever have to worry about that.
This the way you explained it sounds very very wrong, but i'm sure CCP had no intentions of legal honest players being impacted in such a way.
All that said now you have raised this issue and if thats all the facts, some form of response and indeed feedback from yourself upon the outcome would now be needed for credability factors alone.
Personaly I feel this has been a oversight and I hope to hear a happy ending about this matter soon as well as reasurance's or a explanation/clarification by CCP that if I put up a ingame item up for sale ingame for ingame isk that I'm protected from such matters given I'm following there EULA and if not what tools are offered to players to protect themselves from such matters.
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 09:21:00 -
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It is bad what happened to this player..Not only was the isk that the item was bout with removed and the item not giving back being the rattlesnake faction bs..
But the player was then fined 1 bill isk for selling the item in the first place on open contract to a player he had no idea was buying it and was apperantly an known isk seller..
If the said toon who baught this faction bs is a known isk seller then why hasn't his account been banned before this incident ever took place..
If it was banned before hand there would be no problem and player would not be leaving for lose of items and isk because of inproperly trained GM's..
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Kel Dario
Amarr
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.09.11 09:29:00 -
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Two years ago I got a two weeks ban for a character scamm. I didn't know why so I mailed a gm. He couldn't give me a proper answer except repeating what I already saw on my login screen, so I had to escalate it to a senior gm.
Senior gm asked me where my 1 billion isk come from and what my connections was with a scammer whose name I have now forgotten.
I wrote a lengthy explanation about where my isk come from, how I worked hard to it from missions and buying faction stuff and resell it in the hubs, culminating in me getting a bhaalgorne bpc for sixhundred mil from a friend living in Querious and that I later sold it on escrow for 1,1 bil.
2 days after I sold it I got banned. Turned out the scammer who bought it did so with isk he fooled from people on the trade forum. The only connection between us two was the isk and that was enough to label me "GUILTY". I think they thought I had illegally acquired the isk and not checked what I had sold.
In the end I got unbanned and free gaming time and my isk back. The scammer got a permaban and the bhaalgorne bpc and all other stuff got frozen indefinitely.
To the op: escalate it to a senior gm and explain it all, that it isn't your fault that others misuse the system. I hope it turns out well and if not then its time for a 100+ page whine thread aimed at CCP until they fixes it.
//Kel
note: pardon the grammar and spelling errors.
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DayVV4lkEr
Liga Freier Terraner
Star Buccaneers
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Posted - 2007.09.11 10:40:00 -
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I have only 2 Questions:
1. How does it make any kind of sense to spend ISK on a Ship like a Rattlesnake for a ISK SELLER. or even how does it make sense that a ISK SELLER (!!!!) is spending ISK on anything.
2. If he is a known ISK Seller why isn't he god damn banned ?
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.11 10:57:00 -
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Your initial questions seems about as useful as asking 'Do you want to GMs to fight against ISK ebayers?' Originally by: Omega Sinner
gm's .. riping them off
There is so much heresay and rumours about the issue, so perhaps you can make this thread example of unjustified incident with reasonably proof?
That is, instead of just throwing general accusations, could you tell us:
1) Who sold the said item that got him 'fined'
2) What was the item, and for how much it was sold?
3) Exatcly what all the said player lost? (like XXX Isk, and the item still missing)
4) Was there some other unnormal events incldued? Like getting ISK from friend shortly before, etc
With such info everyone can confirm that the contract (as finished public contracts are visible), and we hopefully can agree in with you that the said GM acted unreasonably. Otherwise it would be too easy to classify posts like this as typical 'complaint from justifiable wrist slapped fellow'.
At first glance it might seem wrong if CCP started fining people who sell over-priced items to ISK sellers, since it would pose extra risk to otherwise legal market scamming/pricing etc.
Then again, assuming that CCP indeed has identified a person selling large quanties of ISK; how likely such person would be buying overpriced items (for own use) from random people? If it only few innocents are hit in mistake (and reimbursed after lengthy battle), might be worth to follow such policy. Especially when there is work around for seller through pricing.
-Lasse
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
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and really whats say that gm didn't just transfer it all to his main or another toon.
And whats to say he *did* transfer it all to his toon? Such claims without *any* proof beyond "GM such and such did this in the past" is just trying to stir the pot and cause trouble.
Sorry, but it just frustrates me when people concieve that one issue is more likely than the other when no proof favours either conclusion.
This caught my attention and no i didn't read the topic past this.
To quote more or less what Sharkbait said, as soon as ANY isk leaves his account, or any staff members account, the account is locked down and an official investigation launched.
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Archa
Caldari
Chickens with an Attitude
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:09:00 -
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ah come on, give me a break.
It is very likely that the op of this post forgot to tell something.
CCP only removes isk from your wallet if they have a very good reason to do so.
And if the person who lost all his money is innocent ccp will read his petition and refund him the money.
It's that simple.
It is a company that wants to keep his playerbase, not screw it over.
The story isn't complete.
That simple.
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Kirjava
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:10:00 -
[38]
Well I am seriously recondsidering my carreer as an industrialist....
If I have such large market orders that can be taken by GMs because one of my clients bought ISK on ebay.... should I be worried that someone may buy all my stocks just to get me banned?
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: DayVV4lkEr
I have only 2 Questions:
2. If he is a known ISK Seller why isn't he god damn banned ?
Easy,
CCP are like many business who don't practice what they preach and have at best a double standard when it comes to business ethics.
They are quite happy to take ingame money out of their subscribers wallets, but god forbid they actually dent their own wallet by banning a cheat from the game.
People who buy/sell isk for real life currency should be banned the first time they are caught - no excuses, no exceptions just given the solid boot and ejected from the game.
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Kirjava
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth
Originally by: DayVV4lkEr
I have only 2 Questions:
2. If he is a known ISK Seller why isn't he god damn banned ?
Easy,
CCP are like many business who don't practice what they preach and have at best a double standard when it comes to business ethics.
They are quite happy to take ingame money out of their subscribers wallets, but god forbid they actually dent their own wallet by banning a cheat from the game.
People who buy/sell isk for real life currency should be banned the first time they are caught - no excuses, no exceptions just given the solid boot and ejected from the game.
Keep in mind a major reason why people would buy isk in the first place is the slow pace of making isk when one first joins the game.
Perhaps putting links to the GTC forum into the tutorial would make people realise that there's a legal way to do it and discourage purchasing from the sellers?
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:20:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Omega Sinner
It is bad what happened to this player..Not only was the isk that the item was bout with removed and the item not giving back being the rattlesnake faction bs..
But the player was then fined 1 bill isk for selling the item in the first place on open contract to a player he had no idea was buying it and was apperantly an known isk seller..
If the said toon who baught this faction bs is a known isk seller then why hasn't his account been banned before this incident ever took place..
If it was banned before hand there would be no problem and player would not be leaving for lose of items and isk because of inproperly trained GM's..
when did GMs start handing out fines? i thought they just removed "bad" isk, there are no fines
this whole thing looks very suspect indeed and it seems to me that there are 2 possibilitys here
1, the op isnt telling the complete story
2, a GM has robbed somebody of alot of isk
tbh its probably 1 but 2 would be more amusing  i hope the op will keep the forum updated on this
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Sirri
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:21:00 -
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I have to wonder... perhaps this cash is being siphoned somewhere?
Now, granted this is a tinfoil hat moment...
But think on it..
High end gear, billions in ISK... no explanation?
We already know the Devs/GMs cheat like hell.
This would be a great way to cover their tracks.
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Keep in mind a major reason why people would buy isk in the first place is the slow pace of making isk when one first joins the game.
Perhaps putting links to the GTC forum into the tutorial would make people realise that there's a legal way to do it and discourage purchasing from the sellers?
That wont help much, the bloody sellers sit in newb spawns spamming local.
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: DayVV4lkEr
I have only 2 Questions:
1. How does it make any kind of sense to spend ISK on a Ship like a Rattlesnake for a ISK SELLER. or even how does it make sense that a ISK SELLER (!!!!) is spending ISK on anything.
2. If he is a known ISK Seller why isn't he god damn banned ?
something that has occured to me....
"why isnt he banned?" good question, if somebody is a known seller then why not? unless the message here is that buying isk is illigal but selling it is ok?
this leads me on to.. how do you prove real life currency has changed hands when a GM takes back a large amount of isk from a player? not speaking from personal experience ofcourse but i do beleive that isk sales are done with credit cards and i find it unlikely that CCP is contactng VISA or whoever and tracing transactions for proof ,so at the end of the day the GM is taking an educated guess
its strange that a GM can make this kind of guess over an issue like this that can totally ruin a players day/month or more and yet they cant make an educated guess over the likelyhood that you lost your ship to desync when there has just been a 500 man battle 
food for though
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Cpt Fina
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:35:00 -
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If this is true then I would like a list of all known isk-sellers so that i can avoid any dealings with them.
Or is it up to me, the paying customer, to keep tack of the hundreds (thousands?) of isksellers in Eve so that CCP wont punish me? I'd then like list of chracteristics of these isk-sellers, provided by CCP, so that I have the possibility to identify them as I have no what to look for.
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Curzon Dax
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:53:00 -
[46]
Couple of points here, take them as you will.
1. Being an industrialist in Eve isn't a dangerous profession, insofar as we're talking about the risk of being banned accidentally. On most days, billions of ISK, sometimes tens of billions of ISK go in and out of my wallet. I'm sure that somewhere, at one time or another, my account activity has been peeked at by CCP, but I haven't ever been banned *knock on wood* And I've done it all; faction mods and ship selling as well.
2. There are many people who have been paid by ISK farmers to leave them alone in 0.0 - call it ransom, protection ISK, or what you will. They don't suffer issues with being banned. If they did, they would be screaming in the forums, and the practice would end.
3. I don't work at CCP. Granted...CCP has some dumb GMs. Some REALLY dumb GMs. Its not that they have a low IQ, or never finished grade school; I'd like to think that CCP has standards in their hiring practice - the problem is that a portion of GMs suffer from a combination of 1. Lacking Common Sense, and 2. Believing that your problem is identical to every other problem in a given category and can be treated the same, even when there are special circumstances.
With this in mind, CCP has instituted a set of regulations and procedures that govern GM behavior.
4. Given the scope of my activities in Eve, there is probably a 99% chance that at one time or another, I've been paid on the market / contracts / escrow with bought / stolen / laundered ISK. Long story there, but its pretty much inevitable. I've never had ISK removed (and knock on wood again)
5. So when I say that your story doesn't sit well with me, understand where I'm coming from. If this was your friend telling you the story, he probably left something out. For example, perhaps he left out the fact that he sold the Rattlesnake to the ISK seller for 6 billion ISK. And also that there was a chat log between he and the ISK seller prior to the sale, establishing communication, and making sure that the buyer and seller were linked up correctly.
If the story is actually YOURS, on a different account or something...well, I'd say the same thing. You're probably leaving something out. I suppose that its easy enough to tell a partial story and garner some sympathy from the general public, but golly gee.
6. In another game, I *did* get banned - Everquest 2. When I played EQ2, there was a website (eq2players.com) that tracked various statistics; the one I was always interested in was the wealthy list. There was a period of time when I was the richest player on the planet Earth, across all servers. One day...*BAM* My account was banned. I was furious. One does not buy currency when one already has buttloads of it. The investigation took 2 months, my account was unbanned, most of the platinum was returned to my account. I petitioned and got the rest back. I didn't get free playtime or anything, and very shortly after, quit Everquest 2.
CCP != Sony Online Entertainment. This is a good thing.
CCP sends get well cards to players. Sometimes. 
If you've been wronged, you'll be compensated. But bans don't fly about quite so quickly as you seem to think they do.
What aren't you telling us?
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Empire marketslave
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:54:00 -
[47]
This is what you do
First ask them what EULA Violatoin you commited to warrent them removing your isk
this is the relavent EULA for them
B. Selling Items and Objects
You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions (such as ebay), newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.
Also point out how the ISK you paid in taxes was lost. Also mention that by letting that rattlesnake sit in a banned hanger is them aidng an isk seller/buyer and by not giving it back they are aiding that seller/buyer and violating thier own EULA
and if that doesn't work have them spawn you a new ship since that new one isn't dirty with bought isk
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Sneeze100
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:54:00 -
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what they are doing is taking goods and isk from folk and giving it to BOB, thats what i think
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Fact Foreman
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Posted - 2007.09.11 12:13:00 -
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CCP dont care about ISK sellin, it seems that it is something they like and wana have in the game and im sure they know thats such a mowement in cash from outside the game ruin it at end, and thats why its so strange they dont care.
Why do i say so, well lets look at some facts. I did petition npc corp member that was ofc in Raven in 0.0 system for a long time farmin for isk, if he got haulerspavns or something that most ppl find usefull he left it all alone ofc, all loot he ofc did allso leave alone. So 1 day i decide to talk to that young fellah and ask him what he is savin for or what hes gona do with all that isk.
Responds did come where he admited he sells isk on Ebay to pay for hes study cost and is a young south corean guy (not a bad person but isk seller anyhow) that found easy and kinda funny way to earn some $ from ebay.
Well i desided to petition it and i did copy paste the chat from local into petition and send it as i have been told that hard facts like that gets ppl free ban  , Im not sure why i did waste my time in it or in any other way why i wasted time to try assist CCP.
Maby it is because of multyply accounts i have trained for 4 years+, maby it is because i love the game but not where its goin because of this problem and many others or maby its just because im stupid, that must be it. Isk seller is ofc still farming hes isk and sellin it on Ebay and CCP ofc did send me the copypaste respond i think all of us have sometimes got in reply as it seems to be some computer sending those and some person lookin at 1 of each 1k petition, thats my guess at least.
At least i tryed, i did spend MY time that I pay for to try help CCP to solve 1 of theyr 4794 problems as i thought they wanted proofs and the old player base to assist them, shame i was wrong. Congrats CCP on a beutyfull game with so nice playgamestyle, shame its not gona last so long i guess if you guys are gona walk around with the shorts down.
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 17:19:00 -
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I know ccp doesn't care about buyers and sellers in truth Eula is there just to cover the company's arse so if deals go wrong they can't be held responsible..
an old corp I was in not only kicked a toon out for buying isk and bpo's but sent several petitions to ccp and the responce was were looking into it..
all he got was don't do it again and left with everything he baught..
and to those who say I'm not telling the whole story read it again..
the item in question is a Rattlesnake faction Bs..a faction rattlesnake sells on average for 1 or more billion for those who don't know what a rattlesnake is or sells for on average.
Baught from the afflicated player by an apperantly known isk seller according to the gm for 1.1 bill..
Gm comes along says you've just been fined for selling to a known isk seller..
your item has been impounded.
the 1.1 bill has been taken away.
and your fined 1 bill for selling it to a known buyer.
following comment from gm which got me..
Don't you check who your selling items to..
Its an open contract you can't till after the person has baught it..
and how are you as player to know who sells and buys isk unless they tell you they do..
This really comes down to improperly trained GM'S..
and ccp doesn't care about any one player leaving the game or couple there is tons per day the leave and tons per day that join..
I want to know what if anything is ccp going to do about this problem with there gm's..
and yes it is riping players off and if they do nothing about this problem then that tells me that they do condone it..
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.09.11 17:27:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Omega Sinner
following comment from gm which got me..
Don't you check who your selling items to..
Its an open contract you can't till after the person has baught it..
If that is true, that GM needs to be fired. Contact Internal Affairs. I highly doubt that it IS true but if it is, contact internal affairs about it.
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Kirjava
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.11 17:35:00 -
[52]
I can see where CCP ard coming from to be honest - say there is 1000 accounts used by isk sellers - thats ú80,000 a year or two to three Dev paychecks.
Hell - it's in EVERY mmo, why should CCP be immune to it when it does pay them more isk - less grind from buyers means more stay for longer which also increases revenue for CCP.
Sad but true 
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Brock McF
Caldari
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.09.11 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Brock McF on 11/09/2007 17:42:20
This has been happening for a long while now, CCP seems to have the policy of take first ask questions later, they also monitor all large isk transfers because isk buyers like to get rid of their isk as fast as possible.
I personally have mixed feelings about their policy, but only because I have had 4.5bil taken from my wallet and accused of breaking the EULA after selling a character legally through the forums to a person with illicit isk.
I of course made a forums post and had no real response. The masses always assume you did something wrong.
If a GM takes isk from your wallet and you can PROVE you had no illegal wrong doings, you should petition with HIGH priority. Explain your case and at least in my case I had the isk returned and went along my way.
Brock
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:01:00 -
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I agree with you Brock..But unfortuantly there current stance from my understanding is hands in the air. a.k.a nothing being done hence 6 players now that I know have quit this game from this one incident..
If more ppl came forward with similar problems wether they were fixed or not..
Then and maybe then on one collective forum ccp can see just how big this problem really is instead of small doses of petitions...
and just so ppl know petitions have been sent out.
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:05:00 -
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Quote:
and to those who say I'm not telling the whole story read it again..
well if things are as you have depicted them it sounds like you been scammed by a GM
if thats really whats happened... well the GM in question must be a bit thick as its so obviously tracable because every GM transaction in your wallet comes with an id number next to it so it can be identified
wrong doings or not, there are no "fines" by GMs
Originally by: Nyphur
If that is true, that GM needs to be fired. Contact Internal Affairs. I highly doubt that it IS true and you know as well as I do that the eve playerbase can't take your word for it and GMs aren't allowed to post and confirm/deny it here but if it is, contact internal affairs about it.
The forums are not the place for things like this.
keeping these things behind closed doors can only lead to speculation and rumour
why should this not be discussed openly ? if there is no dodgy business going on then i see no reason to hide the details
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:08:00 -
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I find it hard to understand how anyone can actually believe that we would, intentionally, remove assets from an innocent player. It makes about as much sense as the first 10 revisions of this post of mine. It makes about as much sense as assuming our GMs are divine beings (which is the only way they could be infallible due to their omniscient nature). Heck, it makes as much sense as a Dev stepping into the forum equivalent of an erupting volcano... damn. 
We have senior GMs to deal with mistakes made by our GMs. If you believe you've been wronged by a GM, petition to them. You'll make their day if they find anything unlawful in their behavior and our most experienced GMs are quite adept with the whole reasonable doubt thing.
Of course this has happened before, as I said nobody here is omniscient. On the flip side, it has also happened that people who have quite obviously been doing something unlawful petition over and over again to get their 'fine' reimbursed to them. This, quite obviously, wastes our GMs time as well as the time of all players who are waiting for a petition response. I'm not saying whoever you are referring to has been doing anything wrong, I'm merely offering a different perspective.
But my main point is: Petition to the senior GMs. If that doesn't work and they maintain you were acting outside the frame of the law, petition to Internal Affairs. If that doesn't work then the logs are showing you did something unlawful. We don't condone our GMs running amok in some anti-customer frenzy trying to ruin our name (and again, that doesn't mean that it hasn't happened, by accident or malicious intent. But that's why we have watchers who watch the watchers). Never have condoned that, never will. We care, remmber. 
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 11/09/2007 18:14:47
I have large amounts of ISK traveling between myself and my ALTs.
I have a super-trader ALT that deals with large amounts of ISK on a regular basis. I am also very certain that at some point my accounts were investigated, and I make it a point to "keep my books clean" - in other words, I specify the reasons for transfers each time, it helps me with bookkeeping and I also make sure that all the trading the ALT does on the markets and on contracts is completely transparent and accessible for audit by a GM team.
Now, the seller can do very little to protect him or herself from all eventualities. There is no way to protect yourself, if for example, you sold items on the open market and the buyer turns out to be an ISK farmer/seller/OOG Seller.
What can be done, however, is keeping the books straight, that way, when CCP comes down on you, and investigates they can trace all the transactions, and see that the seller did not intend to sell things to an RMT entity for the sole purpose of laundering ISK, but was simply conducting business in-game and in accordance with EULA.
At that point, if GMs do not listen, there are other options, you can escalate to a senior GM, you can contact Kieron, once all of your options are exhausted and the IA, one way or another they will get to the truth and vindication.
It is scary, unpleasant and sometimes difficult, but I equate the RMT Interests in this game to Identity Thief's in RL, they can, and are capable of causing significant issues to innocent players by simply conducting business with them. That is why I hate them so fraggin much.
GM Team has to be aware that many an honest trader have been inadvertently tainted by the RMT interests, w/o actually being part of that. EVE is too interconnected not to have been paid with "dirty" ISK at some point or another, just need to keep things clear and clean, and transparent on your end, and that will win out in the end.
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Cpt Fina
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
I find it hard to understand how anyone can actually believe that we would, intentionally, remove assets from an innocent player. It makes about as much sense as the first 10 revisions of this post of mine. It makes about as much sense as assuming our GMs are divine beings (which is the only way they could be infallible due to their omniscient nature). Heck, it makes as much sense as a Dev stepping into the forum equivalent of an erupting volcano... damn.
We have senior GMs to deal with mistakes made by our GMs. If you believe you've been wronged by a GM, petition to them. You'll make their day if they find anything unlawful in their behavior and our most experienced GMs are quite adept with the whole reasonable doubt thing.
Of course this has happened before, as I said nobody here is omniscient. On the flip side, it has also happened that people who have quite obviously been doing something unlawful petition over and over again to get their 'fine' reimbursed to them. This, quite obviously, wastes our GMs time as well as the time of all players who are waiting for a petition response. I'm not saying whoever you are referring to has been doing anything wrong, I'm merely offering a different perspective.
But my main point is: Petition to the senior GMs. If that doesn't work and they maintain you were acting outside the frame of the law, petition to Internal Affairs. If that doesn't work then the logs are showing you did something unlawful. We don't condone our GMs running amok in some anti-customer frenzy trying to ruin our name (and again, that doesn't mean that it hasn't happened, by accident or malicious intent. But that's why we have watchers who watch the watchers). Never have condoned that, never will. We care, remmber.
Can one get isk removed for trades (in game transactions) with "known isk-sellers"?
If so, will CCP make sure that the information about known isk-sellers are handed out to the community or are you expecting us to keep track of the isk-sellers in game?
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: CCP Prism X
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I love you. Not only do you answer questions for me but you remove uneccesary fat from the messages stored in the DB. Dev hug for you my friend.
~ Prism X
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: CCP Prism X
CCP Prism X Stuff
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Jinx Barker Stuff
I love you. Not only do you answer questions for me but you remove uneccesary fat from the messages stored in the DB. Dev hug for you my friend.
CCP Luv.... Awwwhhhhh
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