Originally by: David Hackworth

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ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.

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Originally by: F'nog

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You do realize this is many weeks away, right? Not that I'm saying it shouldn't be done when it's ready, but this is way ahead of schedule.

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Originally by: F'nog

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You do realize this is many weeks away, right?
Not that I'm saying it shouldn't be done when it's ready, but this is way ahead of schedule.

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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Sooooo.. Any info from the powers that be about that trial DVD thats supposed to go out to the major software retailers? I'd pay the $2.99ish to have a hardcopy of Rev III Eve..

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Originally by: Sleepkevert

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Also, i support the torrent idea. Heck, i'd even setup a temporary tracker myself if needed! (tough i think people like Chribba would be more up to the job...)

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: F'nog

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You do realize this is many weeks away, right?
Not that I'm saying it shouldn't be done when it's ready, but this is way ahead of schedule.

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Well, the decision to use a torrent as a distribution method AT ALL is an issue CCP will have to discuss, rediscuss and mull over repeatedly.
I guess it would help if we "lobby" them into even considering it in the first place.
They didn't even hint at the possibility that they might be thinking about it.

So nope, 1-2 months in advance isn't "too early", not with this issue

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Originally by: FireFoxx80

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Where did you hear it was 2GB?

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Originally by: David Hackworth

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ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.

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Originally by: FireFoxx80

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Where did you hear it was 2GB?

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Originally by: Avon

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I'm pretty sure CCP have used "official" torrent distribution in the past, although I don't remember exactly when.

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Originally by: Avon

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I'm pretty sure CCP have used "official" torrent distribution in the past, although I don't remember exactly when.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Avon

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I'm pretty sure CCP have used "official" torrent distribution in the past, although I don't remember exactly when.

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I'm pretty sure that they never did it.
I know, I've looked for it.
Never found any official torrent(s) of EVE.
Please, try to find any reference to them ever using it, would love to hear that they aren't averse to the idea.

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Originally by: Matthew

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sometime around Exodus

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 27/09/2007 08:06:56

Originally by: Matthew

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sometime around Exodus

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Ah, that explains it. Wasn't even around back then
Got my first whiff of "in-game EVE" in Cold War, started the pay-playing in RMR.

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Originally by: Chribba

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Originally by: Sleepkevert

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Also, i support the torrent idea. Heck, i'd even setup a temporary tracker myself if needed! (tough i think people like Chribba would be more up to the job...)

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My custom tracker (warpGate) is already working as it has been used when EVE-Files supported torrents before so it's no problem using that again (actually as you posted I was messing around with it to see that it works...)

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Originally by: David Hackworth

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ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.

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Originally by: The Snowman

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bah stop whining!

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Quote:

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If the patcher is good enough it will be way faster than torrent and will remember what its downloaded in the case of a D/C

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Quote:

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Try downloading 18gig of Vanguard:SOH and you will soon know the meaning of downloading ;)

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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Sooooo.. Any info from the powers that be about that trial DVD thats supposed to go out to the major software retailers? I'd pay the $2.99ish to have a hardcopy of Rev III Eve..

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Originally by: Steini OFSI

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The most efficient way to get a dev response is to have the word beer somewhere in your thread.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Quote:

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Try downloading 18gig of Vanguard:SOH and you will soon know the meaning of downloading ;)

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That would barely even fit on my largest partition... only if it would be nearly empty

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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Sooooo.. Any info from the powers that be about that trial DVD thats supposed to go out to the major software retailers? I'd pay the $2.99ish to have a hardcopy of Rev III Eve..

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Originally by: Caia

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/signed

Also, I too would pay for a hard copy of Eve. I've been downloading the FULL latest version every 6 months or so so I have it on CD. However, 2 Gigs is gonna be about 1.2 Gigs to big to fit on a CD.

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Originally by: CiNi

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Edited by: CiNi on 27/09/2007 10:51:03

A torrent would be awesome, as would a hardcopy being released.

Please do both CCP

[edit : typo]

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.

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Originally by: HandSoLow

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I heard that I will need a PCI-E GFX card, a 2Ghz+ Processor and Vista [dx10 support] in order to play EVE RIII...this will affect the Linux users big time!

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.

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Uuuh, great !
Sounds a lot better indeed.

But, will we also get the OPTION to download it as a torrent ?
Or will at least the "new patcher" have a "resume downloading patch" feature ?
Or, you know, something vaguely similar or somesuch ?

Any news ? Hints of news ? Something ?

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Originally by: Steini OFSI

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.

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Uuuh, great !
Sounds a lot better indeed.

But, will we also get the OPTION to download it as a torrent ?
Or will at least the "new patcher" have a "resume downloading patch" feature ?
Or, you know, something vaguely similar or somesuch ?

Any news ? Hints of news ? Something ?

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I'm sure some players will upload it as a torrent somewhere once they have it, posting worries like this early is just making topic about nonsense.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: HandSoLow

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...Why are you talking about the filesize and torrents already? When does RIII get released and does this mean I cant play EVE anymore on my 1.7GHz Processor/256MB ATI GFX card? [crappy laptop]

I heard that I will need a PCI-E GFX card, a 2Ghz+ Processor and Vista [dx10 support] in order to play EVE RIII...this will affect the Linux users big time!

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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When you whine as much as some people, you have to try pretty hard for new topics. So you tend to get ahead of yourself.

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Originally by: Steini OFSI

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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When you whine as much as some people, you have to try pretty hard for new topics. So you tend to get ahead of yourself.

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I wonder how long OP will post about her concerns about Joves and how they should be introduced to the game and how they could ruin everything if not done how she envisioned.

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Originally by: Khan Soriano

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Hosting a torrent costs CCP exactly the same as hosting a normal file

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Originally by: Steini OFSI

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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When you whine as much as some people, you have to try pretty hard for new topics. So you tend to get ahead of yourself.

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I wonder how long OP will post about her concerns about Joves and how they should be introduced to the game and how they could ruin everything if not done how she envisioned.

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Originally by: The Snowman

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I will eat my thorax if CCP release a torrent

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.

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Originally by: Kappas.

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Originally by: Khan Soriano

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Hosting a torrent costs CCP exactly the same as hosting a normal file

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How did you come to this conclusion when a torrent may be a few kilobytes and a client 1.2gb?

200,000+ people downloading 1.2gbs has got to cost a little bit in bandwidth

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.

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Originally by: Eddie Knight

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Originally by: HandSoLow

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...Why are you talking about the filesize and torrents already? When does RIII get released and does this mean I cant play EVE anymore on my 1.7GHz Processor/256MB ATI GFX card? [crappy laptop]

I heard that I will need a PCI-E GFX card, a 2Ghz+ Processor and Vista [dx10 support] in order to play EVE RIII...this will affect the Linux users big time!

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No. That system is not to run EVE, it's to run Vista. Rev 3 will bring a new graphics engine (Trinity 2) that will use DX10. If you have Vista you will be able to see the new nice graphics. However you will also have the choice to use the actual graphics engine so you have nothing to worry about. If you can play EVE now, you will be able to play Rev 3 too.

I for one don't plan to get Vista any time soon, simply because the performance under Vista is really bad. I have decent hardware and I don't plan to use most of my PC's power just to run the OS.

Welcome to EVE and fly safe.

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Originally by: Eddie Knight

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No. That system is not to run EVE, it's to run Vista. Rev 3 will bring a new graphics engine (Trinity 2) that will use DX10. If you have Vista you will be able to see the new nice graphics.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.

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Originally by: Khan Soriano

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Originally by: Kappas.

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Originally by: Khan Soriano

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Hosting a torrent costs CCP exactly the same as hosting a normal file

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How did you come to this conclusion when a torrent may be a few kilobytes and a client 1.2gb?

200,000+ people downloading 1.2gbs has got to cost a little bit in bandwidth

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Very simple:

Hosting a torrent means that CCP would provide one 'seed' that has the whole patch/new client. Its speed (seeds) would be limited to bandwidth available to host the file normally.

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Originally by: Brutor Shaun

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I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, but what about people who have download caps on their ISP?

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Originally by: Brutor Shaun

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.

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I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, but what about people who have download caps on their ISP?

I'm uncapped myself, but I know some ISPs have monthly, and sometimes daily, download caps.

Bit of a bummer if you have a 1GB cap, when the 'patch' will be larger than that.

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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Originally by: Brutor Shaun

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.

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I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, but what about people who have download caps on their ISP?

I'm uncapped myself, but I know some ISPs have monthly, and sometimes daily, download caps.

Bit of a bummer if you have a 1GB cap, when the 'patch' will be larger than that.

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I do sincerely hope that you aren't paying for that service.

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Originally by: Morn Judith

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Originally by: The Snowman

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I will eat my thorax if CCP release a torrent

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Whoa! You can do that? You must be pretty darned flexible! No need for a girlfriend, then, right?

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Originally by: Fink Angel

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Originally by: Steini OFSI

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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When you whine as much as some people, you have to try pretty hard for new topics. So you tend to get ahead of yourself.

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I wonder how long OP will post about her concerns about Joves and how they should be introduced to the game and how they could ruin everything if not done how she envisioned.

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The Jove are like Keyser Soze or The Bogey Man. They are only there to threaten bad Amarr children with, if they don't behave.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: Eddie Knight

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Originally by: HandSoLow

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...Why are you talking about the filesize and torrents already? When does RIII get released and does this mean I cant play EVE anymore on my 1.7GHz Processor/256MB ATI GFX card? [crappy laptop]

I heard that I will need a PCI-E GFX card, a 2Ghz+ Processor and Vista [dx10 support] in order to play EVE RIII...this will affect the Linux users big time!

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No. That system is not to run EVE, it's to run Vista. Rev 3 will bring a new graphics engine (Trinity 2) that will use DX10. If you have Vista you will be able to see the new nice graphics. However you will also have the choice to use the actual graphics engine so you have nothing to worry about. If you can play EVE now, you will be able to play Rev 3 too.

I for one don't plan to get Vista any time soon, simply because the performance under Vista is really bad. I have decent hardware and I don't plan to use most of my PC's power just to run the OS.

Welcome to EVE and fly safe.

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Originally by: Fink Angel

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The main problem I can see with a torrent is that it will let people harvest the IP addresses of other Eve players and that gives a nice juicy target for hackers etc. to probe.

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Originally by: Amy Tr'ader

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Imagine 200,000 people downloading the same file from 1 site - your transfer rate will be crap.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: FireFoxx80

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Where did you hear it was 2GB?

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To be fair, it was the "Trinity II" upgrade that's clocking 2+ GB, which might (or might not) be merged into the Rev 3.0 "patch", or be released separately.
It probably WILL be released separately, since CCP claims they will maintain compatibility with the old Trinity I engine in Rev 3.0 too.
Source ? Some video interview from a month ago.

Originally by: Avon

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I'm pretty sure CCP have used "official" torrent distribution in the past, although I don't remember exactly when.

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I'm pretty sure that they never did it.
I know, I've looked for it.
Never found any official torrent(s) of EVE.
Please, try to find any reference to them ever using it, would love to hear that they aren't averse to the idea.

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Originally by: CCP Arkanon

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I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe.

Originally by: CCP Explorer

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All EVE client installs and patches are currently being delivered through Limelight Networks' CDN. They are not coming from a single server or location.

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Originally by: Castelo Branco

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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All EVE client installs and patches are currently being delivered through Limelight Networks' CDN. They are not coming from a single server or location.

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OH God! There is not a South America CDN server. Ca you just get some deliver company at South America? Please?

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Originally by: Brutor Shaun

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If you all want to get some practice downloads done, Relic have just released a 1.7GB patch for Company of Heroes.

What did we do before broadband?

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Originally by: Akita T

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Well, the title says it all.
Can we please, pretty please, with sugar on top ALSO have it as an OFFICIAL torrent download ?
You know, when it comes out.

The full client too

I'd really hate to TRY to download 2+ GB and keep failing or getting a corrupted download.
I know I had big issues a long time ago even with the <700 MB client installer (I only ever downloaded it succesfully ONCE, more than a year ago, never again), I shudder to think of the 2+ GB one.

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Originally by: Fergus Runkle

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What about those of us that don't have broadband and can't get it (due to location)

Even 1gig over dial up will be glacial especially in the UK where ISP's kick you after 2, 4 or 6 hours online.

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Originally by: Cryptonomicron

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So DX 10-client will be postponed? I am disappointed :(
May I at least know why?

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Originally by: SPIONKOP

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Anyone care to calculate download times on a 1gb file for those playing on various speeds?

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: SPIONKOP

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Anyone care to calculate download times on a 1gb file for those playing on various speeds?

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1.3 GB at 24kbps (3 KB/sec) = 5+ days
1.3 GB at 128kbps (16 KB/sec) = under 1 day
1.3 GB at 512kbps (64 KB/sec) = under 6 hours
1.3 GB at 1024kbps (128 KB/sec) = under 3 hours
1.3 GB at 4096kbps (512 KB/sec) = 44 minutes

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Originally by: fkingfurious

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It wouldnt be the first time.
The Exodus client when it first hit all them years ago was released as an official torrent because there was no patch from the previous version ( Castor ).

So if they've done it once no reason why they shouldnt do it again.

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Originally by: J Ripper

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Kewl, that means 22 mins for me, server permitting!

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Originally by: Eddie Knight

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Originally by: HandSoLow

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I heard that I will need a PCI-E GFX card, a 2Ghz+ Processor and Vista [dx10 support] in order to play EVE RIII...this will affect the Linux users big time!

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No. That system is not to run EVE, it's to run Vista. Rev 3 will bring a new graphics engine (Trinity 2) that will use DX10. If you have Vista you will be able to see the new nice graphics. However you will also have the choice to use the actual graphics engine so you have nothing to worry about. If you can play EVE now, you will be able to play Rev 3 too.

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Originally by: Sleepkevert

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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Sooooo.. Any info from the powers that be about that trial DVD thats supposed to go out to the major software retailers? I'd pay the $2.99ish to have a hardcopy of Rev III Eve..

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MUST. HAVE. NAO...

Really, I'd pay some money to get myself a hard copy of EVE. Even if it's just for the heck of having one! (24/7 download rig running at home, 2 gig will be easy in one night.

Also, i support the torrent idea. Heck, i'd even setup a temporary tracker myself if needed! (tough i think people like Chribba would be more up to the job...)

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Originally by: Possessed Clown

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Originally by: Fergus Runkle

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What about those of us that don't have broadband and can't get it (due to location)

Even 1gig over dial up will be glacial especially in the UK where ISP's kick you after 2, 4 or 6 hours online.

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How did you get eve then its like 700mbs....

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Originally by: Fergus Runkle

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I've suffered through all the patches up to now on dial up. I think the longest I have had to wait for a patch downloading was a week (via a download manager).

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Originally by: J Ripper

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: SPIONKOP

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Anyone care to calculate download times on a 1gb file for those playing on various speeds?

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1.3 GB at 24kbps (3 KB/sec) = 5+ days
1.3 GB at 128kbps (16 KB/sec) = under 1 day
1.3 GB at 512kbps (64 KB/sec) = under 6 hours
1.3 GB at 1024kbps (128 KB/sec) = under 3 hours
1.3 GB at 4096kbps (512 KB/sec) = 44 minutes

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Kewl, that means 22 mins for me, server permitting!

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Originally by: Jushmai

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Originally by: J Ripper

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: SPIONKOP

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Anyone care to calculate download times on a 1gb file for those playing on various speeds?

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1.3 GB at 24kbps (3 KB/sec) = 5+ days
1.3 GB at 128kbps (16 KB/sec) = under 1 day
1.3 GB at 512kbps (64 KB/sec) = under 6 hours
1.3 GB at 1024kbps (128 KB/sec) = under 3 hours
1.3 GB at 4096kbps (512 KB/sec) = 44 minutes

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Kewl, that means 22 mins for me, server permitting!

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Just under 2 minutes for me. Oh well, guess I'll be able to stand the wait.

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Originally by: Akita T

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1.3 GB at 24kbps (3 KB/sec) = 5+ days
1.3 GB at 128kbps (16 KB/sec) = under 1 day
1.3 GB at 512kbps (64 KB/sec) = under 6 hours
1.3 GB at 1024kbps (128 KB/sec) = under 3 hours
1.3 GB at 4096kbps (512 KB/sec) = 44 minutes

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 29/09/2007 23:38:37

Wow, thanks CCP Explorer for an *AWESOME* reply.
A few questions though.

When you say "various clever trickery", I assume you mean lossy and/or insanely slow-encryption lossless compression (especially for textures, I suppose), or maybe procedural texture generation, or other things I probably didn't even think about.
But... I also assume you're talking "1.3 GB installer", and a much larger "installed" client, say 5, maybe even 8 GB ?
So, how big will the new client be after installation ?

Also, how much space will it require on the C: drive to decompress ?
The C: drive question is a "reminder" of the good old days of my first (and only) succesfull EVE client install from the "full client" download... I always just copied the installed client afterwards each and every time.
Back then, I had to uninstall a lot of stuff and move the swap file to D just to be able to install EVE, because, like (probably many) other people, I keep my drive partitioned, with a relatively small first partition.


Finally, I "get" the concept that you like to rely on Limelight, but what harm would a single "official CCP seed" do, on top of the CDN alternative... at least for the first few days/weeks after launch ?
You wouldn't even have to use your own tracker, any public one would do fine, as long as you confirm the hash to be "genuine" and you confirm you are the original .torrent seeders.
I mean, even if you use one of your office PCs to seed at only 1 Mbps, I am pretty sure a lot of people would gladly keep seeding after they download the client.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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I demand we all get on our knees right now and thank CCP for having a real time skill training system.

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Originally by: Krazy Bitsch

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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I demand we all get on our knees right now and thank CCP for having a real time skill training system.

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and i command you to quit with your fanboi ways....whats thanking them for Real Time skill training have to do witht the OP?

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: Akita T

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When you say "various clever trickery", I assume you mean lossy and/or insanely slow-encryption lossless compression (especially for textures, I suppose), or maybe procedural texture generation

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Quote:

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But... I also assume you're talking "1.3 GB installer", and a much larger "installed" client, say 5, maybe even 8 GB?

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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There's no such thing as playing too much EvE!
You all obviously need more accounts!

Originally by: Akita T

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Besides, somebody WILL be uploading it as a torrent anyway.
I'd just hate to download it from thepiratebay and later find out it's spyware/keylogger/trojan/whatever "loaded".
That's why I'm saying "official" torrent

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Quote:

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But... I also assume you're talking "1.3 GB installer", and a much larger "installed" client, say 5, maybe even 8 GB?

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3-8 GB is the ballpark.

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Originally by: searess

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So for thoes people who play on a laptop with HD restrictions as in not much space were going to be royally shafted seeing as the client is going to end up at a 5 - 8 gig uncompressed size thus taking a hefty chunk of the 30 gig partition we have !

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Originally by: searess

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So for thoes people who play on a laptop with HD restrictions as in not much space were going to be royally shafted seeing as the client is going to end up at a 5 - 8 gig uncompressed size thus taking a hefty chunk of the 30 gig partition we have !

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Delete 4 gigs of pron.

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Dun kill me eris

coming to fanfest by any chance? eris

*GULP*

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Originally by: Akita T

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When you say "various clever trickery", I assume you mean lossy and/or insanely slow-encryption lossless compression (especially for textures, I suppose), or maybe procedural texture generation

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We've replaced file formats, rearranged the data and done some clever packing, upgraded all our compression and install creation tools and applied all the lossless compression available. We have not resorted to lossy compression and there is no procedural generation.

Quote:

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But... I also assume you're talking "1.3 GB installer", and a much larger "installed" client, say 5, maybe even 8 GB?

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3-8 GB is the ballpark.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Besides, somebody WILL be uploading it as a torrent anyway. I'd just hate to download it from thepiratebay and later find out it's spyware/keylogger/trojan/whatever "loaded". That's why I'm saying "official" torrent

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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The install and all executable files in the install will be signed with CCP's code signing key. The security features introduced in Revelation 2.2 will also be in the November expansion. Finally, if we publish MD5 and SHA-1 checksums for the install then it adds an extra layer of security if players choose to get the install from 3rd party sources. I would however recommend this site.

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Translation: we're already hosting this godawful huge file and paying for the associated bandwidth. You want a torrent, host it yourself, ya lazy bastiches.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Also, how much space will it require on the C: drive to decompress ?
...
Back then, I had to uninstall a lot of stuff and move the swap file to D just to be able to install EVE, because, like (probably many) other people, I keep my drive partitioned, with a relatively small first partition.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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3-8 GB is the ballpark.

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Originally by: Imhothar Xarodit

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Could you then consider to make the auto-patching of the test server client a bit more "feasible"? Because when you miss to patch it one day you have to again copy the whole TQ client and with 8 GB this could be very slow on some people's machines.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Originally by: Amy Tr'ader

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Imagine 200,000 people downloading the same file from 1 site - your transfer rate will be crap.

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All EVE client installs and patches are currently being delivered through Limelight Networks' CDN. They are not coming from a single server or location.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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We're currently not planning to provide a torrent stream but will rather rely on the CDN (and beef it up if necessary) when we deploy our November expansion.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 29/09/2007 22:57:05

Originally by: Akita T

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1.3 GB at 24kbps (3 KB/sec) = 5+ days
1.3 GB at 128kbps (16 KB/sec) = under 1 day
1.3 GB at 512kbps (64 KB/sec) = under 6 hours
1.3 GB at 1024kbps (128 KB/sec) = under 3 hours
1.3 GB at 4096kbps (512 KB/sec) = 44 minutes

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... the Limelight

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Originally by: Mitchman

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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We're currently not planning to provide a torrent stream but will rather rely on the CDN (and beef it up if necessary) when we deploy our November expansion.

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I beg you to reconsider. Having to download from a single source is highly inefficient and will be a giant single point of failure.

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Originally by: Kayna Eelai

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blizzard, world of warcraft, 8.5mill. users worldwide. their downloader uses bittorrent by default, with option to get it through http. if a company like that, with that ammount of users, uses that method... they can't be much wrong. OH BTW: you can actually get chunks of the bigger patches 1-2 weeks before patch deployement, having the downloader running in background if you decide so.

sometimes i think ccp lives under a rock, and never ever look at any other company that might have a better system than they have (in any aspect)

i've hosted 2GB homemade videos to over 15000 users with a 1024/320 adsl line. and yes, the start is slow, but as soon as 100% of the chucks is spread through users, it goes faster than lightspeed.

bittorrent is the way to go, nuff said.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Oh wow, Warcraft does it! That must mean it is the right/best/only way to do things!

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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No need to become a fanboi again. Calm down. Have a bree.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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No need to become a fanboi again. Calm down. Have a bree.

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It is just a stupid statement.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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If you don't like it, offer some constructive<<-(big point) advice in the form of an mail, or better yet, dig up some cash to get new stuff.

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Originally by: Kayna Eelai

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blizzard, world of warcraft, 8.5mill. users worldwide. their downloader uses bittorrent by default, with option to get it through http. if a company like that, with that ammount of users, uses that method... they can't be much wrong. OH BTW: you can actually get chunks of the bigger patches 1-2 weeks before patch deployement, having the downloader running in background if you decide so.

sometimes i think ccp lives under a rock, and never ever look at any other company that might have a better system than they have (in any aspect)

i've hosted 2GB homemade videos to over 15000 users with a 1024/320 adsl line. and yes, the start is slow, but as soon as 100% of the chucks is spread through users, it goes faster than lightspeed.

bittorrent is the way to go, nuff said.

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Originally by: Jacob Mei

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Has CCP considered the idea of releasing Rev 3 in a set of smaller patches over the course of a month or so? Basicly have a patch twice a week so as to reduce the over all strain of the sum population trying to download a 1.3-3 gig patch all at once? I mean the current plan seems to have an outcome of a good junk of the population having to wait a few days before they can get a stable copy of the patch.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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All EVE client installs and patches are currently being delivered through Limelight Networks' CDN. They are not coming from a single server or location.

We always listen to our customers and the feedback you've provided in this thread will be considered as we finalise our plans for the "Kali3" expansion in November.

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Originally by: Esmenet

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The wow client downloader sucks. I always downloaded wow-patches from unofficial mirrors at a fraction of the time i would have done with the wow downloader.

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Originally by: Kayna Eelai

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Originally by: Esmenet

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The wow client downloader sucks. I always downloaded wow-patches from unofficial mirrors at a fraction of the time i would have done with the wow downloader.

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worked fine and fast for me since they implemented bittorrent.
PLUS:
1) you can go to your wow temp folder and find the torrent file and open it with yuior favourite BT client program (azureus)
2) it starts downloading bigger patches 1-2 weeks before deploy.

i'd like this system in eve very much too

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Originally by: Sprzedawczyk

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And most of those 200,000 will have connections like 8M/512, where said 512 uppload is barely sufficient for sending out all ACK request for stuff he is downloading.
Large scale BT doesn't work unless there are dedicated uploading machines (100mb+) in the swarm and even then, it can be easily choked if enough leechers are involved.
So basically BT is poor man CND, but it still require buying and setting up extra servers to work as tracker and upload sources. Moreover, many ISP already throttle or even block BT, so for vast majority of people BT os greatly inferior to direct http download.

Also, pleeease get the download accelerator. I can suggest freeware Orbit Downloader, or paid Reget, both are awesome and will solve all your downloading problems.



To CCP: You are doing the most awesome job with patching process and it's delivery. Keeping full client size at 638MB after 4 years of constant updates, fixes and flurry of large content expansions is most impressive job. The fact that you have alws kept full client as direct http download, is also something to be praised for! compared to competition that forces their customer to pay to ransom to fileplanet and wait for hours in "queues", or doesn't provide digital download at all and condemns their clients to running to shop and waiting *for days* to finish patching every time they want to reinstall.
Patching system itself - you probably broke few laws of physics and mathemathics making it, because in comparsion with everyone else, it's just stellar! Rev1 to REv2.3 (that's 3 full content patches, check patchnotes to see how bloody much was added inbetween!) weights a mere 36MB. Compare to POTBS which forces you to download 1.3-4GB on every single minor patch, or SOE convulsed crc-based-check patching process which takes 10 minutes just to start actual patch process!

In short:
CCP's patching system is the most awesome thing and one of few fields where even biggest hater have to admit, that CCP CONSTANTLY DELIVERED

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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The initial projections for the new client were 8 to 12 GB. With various clever trickery we believe we're now down to 1.3 GB. The internet is always getting better and we believe that a 1.3 GB download is within reason, it's only twice as big as the current client.

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Originally by: James 315

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Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is:every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to Dianabolic's crew

Originally by: Kayna Eelai

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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If you don't like it, offer some constructive<<-(big point) advice in the form of an mail, or better yet, dig up some cash to get new stuff.

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u (and those who posted after u) need to LEARN2READ. if you would have managed to read more after the word BLIZZARD u might notice how i comment that i've run a torrent tracker myself quite succesful.

if i can do it with a crappy 1024/320 adsl line, with the only drawback of a slow start, ccp can do it too, and better.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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We always listen to our customers and the feedback you've provided in this thread will be considered as we finalise our plans for the "Kali3" expansion in November.

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Originally by: Garat Mant

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Edited by: Garat Mant on 01/10/2007 17:18:22
Alternatively, can you put the md5sum of the new client on your website? That way we can check to see that any clients offered via torrent are not tampered with.

-G

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Originally by: Akita T

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Besides, somebody WILL be uploading it as a torrent anyway. I'd just hate to download it from thepiratebay and later find out it's spyware/keylogger/trojan/whatever "loaded". That's why I'm saying "official" torrent

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The install and all executable files in the install will be signed with CCP's code signing key. The security features introduced in Revelation 2.2 will also be in the November expansion. Finally, if we publish MD5 and SHA-1 checksums for the install then it adds an extra layer of security if players choose to get the install from 3rd party sources. I would however recommend this site.

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Originally by: Aduna

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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The initial projections for the new client were 8 to 12 GB. With various clever trickery we believe we're now down to 1.3 GB. The internet is always getting better and we believe that a 1.3 GB download is within reason, it's only twice as big as the current client.

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are you frackin' serious???? that's....insane. i can't wrap my mind around the idea that Eve would go from ~750mb to 8-12 GB. just...wow.

on a side note, will we have the option to get a full install for those of us that don't want to patch?

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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We always listen to our customers and the feedback you've provided in this thread will be considered as we finalise our plans for the "Kali3" expansion in November.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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You wont have any LPs. You need LPs with said Corp and like I said I just nuked your LPs.

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Originally by: Kayna Eelai

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blizzard, world of warcraft, 8.5mill. users worldwide. their downloader uses bittorrent by default, with option to get it through http. if a company like that, with that ammount of users, uses that method... they can't be much wrong. OH BTW: you can actually get chunks of the bigger patches 1-2 weeks before patch deployement, having the downloader running in background if you decide so.

sometimes i think ccp lives under a rock, and never ever look at any other company that might have a better system than they have (in any aspect)

i've hosted 2GB homemade videos to over 15000 users with a 1024/320 adsl line. and yes, the start is slow, but as soon as 100% of the chucks is spread through users, it goes faster than lightspeed. 1.3gb will take me 35-40 mins so its not bad at all. ill just amek sure i can downlaod it as soon as it comes up for download....

bittorrent is the way to go, nuff said.

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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*******s. With my connection speed that 1.3Gb download will take about ten hours, and my computer goes into sleep mode and shuts off its internet automatically after thirty minutes of inactivity (I've yet to figure out how to disable this feature.) I too support an official torrent.

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Originally by: Ebodhisatva

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How would you consider the testing on sisi? At this moment it is merely making a copy of tranq and patch it with a little patch of let's say 5 to 10mb Like a former poster said, missing 1 patch at a day makes you re-install the complete TQ version. Will we have a "Standard" sisi set to patch on during testing time? Because downloading 1.3gb, extracting it to a full blown 5-8GB within every 'missed' patch is not really appreciated I guess.

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Originally by: Allan Robertson

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Humm that is a large patch, 1Gb+ is not what is worrying me, I have the means to aquire it, but how much will the system specs change, what are the estimated requirements?

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Originally by: Kelron Queldine

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Originally by: Allan Robertson

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Humm that is a large patch, 1Gb+ is not what is worrying me, I have the means to aquire it, but how much will the system specs change, what are the estimated requirements?

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As implied here and stated in other threads, you will have the option to continue using the current DX8 graphics, so the minimum requirements won't change. The shiny new graphics will require a DirectX 9.0c card (Shader Model 3.0 support). I'm not sure if the other requirements will be affected, or just the graphics card.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 07/10/2007 23:22:57

When we release the expansion then all Revelations II clients will be patched to the new "Classic" client, using the regular autopatcher. The patch will be about 15-30 MB since the art content is mostly the same (about 20 new ships). On the first startup the client will check the capabilities of the hardware and if DX9 SM3 capable offer to download the new art content. This download will be done in the background (using BITS) and you can immediately start playing if you want while it downloads. The download will continue even if the client is not running. Once the download is complete the client will offer you to patch to the full client.

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Originally by: Korov Dutor

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Edited by: Korov Dutor on 10/10/2007 14:06:26
I currently play Eve on a cellular broadband connection, which so far has been working great, but a GB+ download just isn't going to happen.

Any chances of a CD being made available either by mail order or local retailers? I have to believe there are others in similar or worse situations.

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Originally by: Auron Twill

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Can't I just say that I want to download the file immediately without using BITS? I don't have much problem with 1.3 GB really. It's a nice feature though, for people with slower connections.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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We will increase the minimum operating systems specifications from Windows 2000 SP2 to SP3. Otherwise the minimum specifications (for DX8 support) will not change, as far as we know at this point. To support the new graphics then a video card supporting DX9 SM3 will be required.

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Originally by: thesulei

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I looked it up and this means that my Ati X800 won't be able to run the new graphics engine....bummer, I thought I owned at least a half-decent card.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 07/10/2007 23:22:57

To give you more information on how we're planning to deliver the November expansion:

When we release the expansion then all Revelations II clients will be patched to the new "Classic" client, using the regular autopatcher. The patch will be about 15-30 MB since the art content is mostly the same (about 20 new ships). On the first startup the client will check the capabilities of the hardware and if DX9 SM3 capable offer to download the new art content. This download will be done in the background (using BITS) and you can immediately start playing if you want while it downloads. The download will continue even if the client is not running. Once the download is complete the client will offer you to patch to the full client.

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Originally by: Kye Do'lan

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Hmmmm is my 6600GT SLI setup up to this? SM3 I mean

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